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LeEco Said To Lay Off Over 80 Percent of US Workforce (cnbc.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNBC: LeEco, a Chinese company that made a big splash in the U.S. last fall, is preparing for a round of layoffs that may happen as soon as Tuesday, according to sources. Two people told CNBC the company is planning massive layoffs in the U.S., with one source saying that only 60 employees will be left after the cut. The company's current headcount in the U.S. is over 500, according to this person. CNBC obtained an email calling employees together for a Town Hall Meeting that will occur in three of the company's U.S. locations, including San Diego, Santa Monica and San Jose, at 10 a.m. PST. The email asks employees to attend unless they're off for the day, in which case they're asked to call in. It's not clear what will be announced at the meeting, but a second source told CNBC that layoffs will be announced tomorrow. Under the restructuring, LeEco will refocus on encouraging Chinese-American consumers to watch LeEco's Chinese content library, one person said.

104 comments

  1. Who are they by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and they do what? And I should care why?

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    1. Re:Who are they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could not even find them in Google. Hell, LaCie (you know, the people who make "Designed by Porsche" external hard disks for Macs with the premium price tag) had far more hits.)

      My take... who cares. If they retreat back to China, oh well. One less company draining the US of talent and wealth and pumping that money overseas.

    2. Re:Who are they by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      According to the TFA, smartphones, TVs, Chinese media and electric cars. Initial reputation was "Netflix of China" before they expanded to US. Looks like someone had money to burn.

    3. Re:Who are they by DrXym · · Score: 4, Informative
      From the sounds of the original link, they manufactured hardware containing spyware.

      LeEco started out in China as a streaming media provider — it has been referred to as the "Netflix of China" — and looked to expand into the US by selling affordable hardware that linked consumers to media content from LeEco's partners. Its first batch of products included two smartphones and several TVs, all of which offered flagship-level specs at affordable prices. The idea, it seemed, was that LeEco would make its money back when consumers tuned in to partner programming.

    4. Re:Who are they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      French company that manufactures electronics products using clean energy and recycled materials. Or maybe not.

    5. Re:Who are they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know exactly who they are, and being a petty little American with anti-Chinese sentiments is the only reason you make a post like that.

    6. Re: Who are they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually the other way around. One less company taking their profits from china and buying stuff in the USA to park their new found wealth to protevt it from the govt. E.g., LeEco was going to overpay to buy the US based Vizio Tv maker to expatriate $2B in cash from their Chinese operations.

    7. Re: Who are they by knightghost · · Score: 1

      $2B in loans from the chinese government in an effort to steer many times that amount back to "Made in China". Yet more economic warfare.

    8. Re: Who are they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because we all know Apple keeps it's profits in America /s

    9. Re:Who are they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I could not even find them in Google.

      Well, here is the link for the company I searched on google. Not sure why you said that. It is either you didn't search or didn't know how to use google to do the search.

    10. Re:Who are they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't they make a great firewall to keep you guys in?

      Despite your belief that China is the center of the world... it isn't. I'll go ahead and say neither is America.

      Leeco isn't a common name in US households by any stretch. They would have had some fame (sorta) after purchasing Vizio. The reality is people tend to be driven more by cost then quality. When your driving factors are a single dimension the whole concept of brand is sorta tossed out the window. People are now likely familiar with LG because they are peppered all over wally world. It's also not something that will really change with wisdom unless shit gets really bad. Even then... companies just make a new terrible brand of repackaged chinesium.

  2. Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't comprehend why in the world you would choose California to open offices?

    1. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      East Coast of the Pacific.

    2. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      More details
      Percentage of Chinese population in the United States, 2000

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    3. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      I can't comprehend why in the world you would choose California to open offices?

      Because your home town of Bumfuck Kansas isn't exactly a hub of international commerce

    4. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Was that supposed to be funny, insightful, or informative?

      When the Japanese were buying up U.S. properties in the 1980's, a reporter asked them where they were looking.

      The Japanese replied, "The East Coast."

      "New England, the Carolinas, Florida?" the reporter asked.

      The Japanese laughed. "The East Coast of the Pacific."

      The reporter didn't understand.

      "California, Oregon and Washington," the Japanese explained patiently. "Your West Coast is our East Coast."

      Go back to sticking your head into a bucket of Krispy Kreme, you doof.

      I hate Krispy Kreme.

    5. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That story never happened. And you only hate Krispy Kreme because of the awful anticipation of watching them fry. We know you stick an IV into the raw dough and inject it straight into your liver.

    6. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Percentage of Chinese population in the United States, 2000

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Americans

      The Chinese American community comprises the largest ethnic group of Asian Americans, comprising 25.9% of the Asian American population as of 2010. Americans of Chinese descent, including those with partial Chinese ancestry constitute 1.2% of the total U.S. population as of 2010. According to the 2010 census, the Chinese American population numbered approximately 3.8 million. In 2010, half of Chinese-born people living in the United States resided in the states of California and New York.

    7. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      That story never happened.

      True story. But let's look at the historical context of that story from the L.A. Times.

      The Leventhal study estimates Japanese investment in U.S. real estate last year at $5.06 billion, down from the $13.06 billion spent in 1990. The peak year for Japanese investing was 1988, when they spent $16.54 billion on U.S. properties.

      http://articles.latimes.com/1992-02-21/news/mn-2588_1_japanese-real-estate

      As for the Chinese, they're outspending the Japanese on real estate.

    8. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "True story. "

      Source it, you morbidly obese serial liar.

    9. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Source it [...]

      It's a story I read in The San Jose Business Journal (now The Silicon Valley Business Journal) in the late 1980's (pre-Internet).

    10. Re: Critical mistake number 1 - California by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Gotta give Creimer credit: he stoichally shrugs off desperate and pathetic criticisms from some demonstrably sorry-ass motherfuckers while attempting to provide relevant responses points.

    11. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Internet existed in the late 1980s, Mr "IT Wizard".

      Find it at archive.org.

    12. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      The Internet existed in the late 1980s, Mr "IT Wizard".

      That's funny. Web browsers didn't appear until 1995.

      Find it at archive.org.

      Probably on microfiche at the main library.

    13. Re: Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let this be a reminder to you all--when the voices say that it's a great idea to stop taking your meds, remember that they're not really on your side.

    14. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny. Web browsers didn't appear until 1995.

      Perhaps better nomenclature for that era is pre-World Wide Web. The Internet most certainly existed in the 1980s as I'm sure you're aware.

    15. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      The Internet most certainly existed in the 1980s as I'm sure you're aware.

      Of course. But I prefer the term "pre-Internet" because it causes magic smoke to come out of the ears of greybreads who should know the difference between the actual Internet and the Internet that the unwashed masses know about.

    16. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "That's funny. Web browsers didn't appear until 1995."

      That's funny, you didn't mention a thing about the Web. Your IT credentials are paper-thin...

    17. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is a web browser necessary for *the internet* to function retard?

      What about gopher, email and ftp? Archie for searching....

      Get off my lawn and go do your homework.

    18. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Your IT credentials are paper-thin.

      My IT credentials began after 1995 when the Internet became the new thing for the unwashed masses.

    19. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      What about gopher, email and ftp? Archie for searching....

      You forget finger. Take a guess which I'm holding up now.

    20. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the one holding the fork?

    21. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think you need a web browser to access the internet, you are a moron who does not belong on this website.

    22. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are holding your 11th finger - your dick. someone as ugly and unsuccessful as you has to consume an insane amount of pornography daily due to not being looked at as male even by the most unattractively disgusting of women.

      what are you doing on a site for Nerds? you are the opposite of a nerd in every way.

    23. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, no smoke. You're just saying stupid shit and sound like a moron, like usual. Tell us how RAID is heavy again.

    24. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the fuck is it possible for any mildly smart person to know almost nothing about IT if they started in 1995? You are in the wrong industry. After that much experience, any other person would be an architect or director-level resource making bank. Have you considered that what you are doing - it's not what your brain was designed to do? Why the fuck would you pick computers if you are not good with computers?

    25. Re:Critical mistake number 1 - California by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      After that much experience, any other person would be an architect or director-level resource making bank.

      Let me get this straight... I'm not good at computers because I'm not an architect or director after 20+ years? That's like saying a teacher is a failure for teaching 20+ years for not becoming a principal or school board member.

      Why the fuck would you pick computers if you are not good with computers?

      I'm a problem solver. I'm good with computers. I'm good with people. I bridge the gap between the two. You need support people who can do that.

  3. Made a big splash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really, never heard of them.

    1. Re: Made a big splash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They were going to buy US TV maker Vizio for $2B usd. That's kindof a splash.

    2. Re: Made a big splash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As big a splash as a turd falling in a toilet bowl.

  4. Signs of things to come. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The USA is becoming less and less dominate in the World. Most of the economic growth is in the Third World. And as they continue catching up, we will have more layoffs from both foreign and domestic firms and we will see our standard of living continue to decline.

    We had a great run from the end of WWII to about 2000. It was just a historical fluke but we Americans have come to think that it's the norm because of our "exceptionalism". Well we're regressing back to the mean of our historical pre-WWII growth of about 1 - 2%. And there is nothing politically that can be done about it - contrary to what Trump and his supporters believe.

    1. Re:Signs of things to come. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that tends to happen when we have around 11 million overstaying their visa, H1B abuse in many areas of the technologies, rampant disregard to immigration laws. You know CHAOS. That was their intent all along.

    2. Re:Signs of things to come. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully they will stop streaming into this country like cockroaches.

    3. Re:Signs of things to come. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wow, any piece can be used for anti-US propaganda. Stuff happens. The US may not be perfect, but there is a reason why the top tier businesses come to the US, and that is freedom of speech and collaboration. You can make fun of the President and not disappear. You can troll and not disappear.

      If you want to know when to put on the brown pants, is when the top think tanks and intelligent people/groups start abandoning the US to go to another country. Some ratty Chinese unicorn-wannabe... who cares. When you see China start moving all their citizens to another nation's universities... then get scared.

    4. Re:Signs of things to come. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that tends to happen when we have around 11 million overstaying their visa...

      <eyeroll>Of course, because otherwise everything would be just peachy.</eyeroll>
      Why do Americans always need someone else to blame for their troubles?

  5. Damn I mess FuckedCompany.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pud would have something funny here.

  6. You fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To mention what kind of company they are, poster. Whether you intended to or not, you have created click-bait. Sloppy. . . .

  7. Ouch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be horrible if you found out you were about to be laid off from a Slashdot article?

    1. Re:Ouch by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be horrible if you found out you were about to be laid off from a Slashdot article?

      ...or better yet, having it appear on the National News on a TV screen behind you, while you were speaking to a room full of your co-workers?

  8. transit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The U.S. depends upon the ability to force the world to use the U.S. dollar to buy oil. As the world transits away to renewable energy, the ability of the U.S. to print money and have it bought by the rest of the world declines, leading to inflation and economic decline.

    1. Re:transit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good currency has three functions:

      a) Store of value
      b) Unit of exchange
      c) Measure of value

      The dollar as a unit of currency worldwide stems from the legal basis for private property in the United States. That legal basis supports all three functions listed above. Those functions are much less supported by the US forcing the world to use the dollar for oil, so the OP and the two of you that upvoted the twaddle above clearly failed economics 101.

    2. Re:transit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other countries that don't have the luxury of foreigners buying their currency to purchase oil find that printing trillions of dollars of new currency every few months leads to massive inflation and eventual collapse of the currency.

  9. astonishingly bad summary by SethJohnson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would be helpful to readers if the summary contained any info at all about the company's main product or reason why this is significant. Instead, the summary dwells only on the method of the layoffs, which is not original at all.

    1. Re:astonishingly bad summary by Desler · · Score: 1

      There isn't a main product. It's a congolmerate that tries to do a bit of everything.

    2. Re:astonishingly bad summary by Mitreya · · Score: 1

      It would be helpful to readers if the summary contained any info at all about the company's main product or reason why this is significant.

      Oh, it is actually all there in the summary. LeEco is clearly a company that sold wild Orcas... or pool supplies...
      Plus the TFA refuses to work in presence of adblocker, so we are keeping the article and the discussion strictly separated as is tradition.

      LeEco, a Chinese company that made a big splash in the U.S. last fall, is preparing for a round of layoffs that may happen as soon as Tuesday,

  10. The Politically Correct Business BS by Herkum01 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Layoff - a discharge, especially temporary, of a worker or workers

    I love how business has gotten so good at crafting the message. They didn't fired everyone, they were layed off. Like the dead were going to come back to life or something.

    1. Re:The Politically Correct Business BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is a difference in the terms:
      Fired = let go for cause.
      Laid off = let go due to company downsizing or similar, not due to employee fault.

      Sometimes there's a reason people use different words, and it's usually because they have different meanings.

    2. Re:The Politically Correct Business BS by Pascoea · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also a difference in Unemployment Insurance claims. You get fired you get no unemployment (rationale being it was something you did that caused you to get fired.) If you get laid off (indicating it was an outside force that caused you to lose your job) you get unemployment insurance payments.

    3. Re:The Politically Correct Business BS by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is a difference in the terms:
      Fired = let go for cause.
      Laid off = let go due to company downsizing or similar, not due to employee fault.

      Sometimes there's a reason people use different words, and it's usually because they have different meanings.

      Not only that, but if you grew up in a factory town like I did there was a big difference between being fired and being laid off. Laid off was often temporary. If sales were down the factory would cut back on production and cut back on staffing by laying off some workers. When sales were back up the laid off workers were called up again. That's pretty normal.

    4. Re: The Politically Correct Business BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep... that's pretty normal for seasonal trades like construction, landscape, etc. Employees get laid off during slow seasons like winter, but with the full expectation of being called back to work when things pick up again in the spring.

    5. Re:The Politically Correct Business BS by Sparowl · · Score: 1

      Depending on the state, the company can (and most likely will) contest your ability to get unemployment even if you were "laid off".

    6. Re:The Politically Correct Business BS by antdude · · Score: 1

      What about resignations and retirements?

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    7. Re:The Politically Correct Business BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the U.S. if you leave a job voluntarily generally you are not eligible for unemployment. There are exceptions like if you left due to harassment, but it's an uphill battle.

  11. He gets the credit by jriding · · Score: 1

    Thanks Trump.

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  12. Re:Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unlike the NeverTrump people who consider him to be the worst president ever elected and consistently bash him no matter what he does.

    Well, here is something to REALLY think about. If he is the worst president to be elected, what does that tell you about the person who LOST the election?

  13. Not a good thing in the long run by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Under the restructuring, LeEco will refocus on encouraging Chinese-American consumers to watch LeEco's Chinese content library, one person said.

    Note what LeEco is saying here: they're creating Chinese content for US citizens who are of Chinese descent. They're not trying to open up the American market in general the way the Japanese did with anime, video games, etc. This is targeted by ethnicity.

    More and more this seems to really be a thing with the immigrant diasporas in the West, and it's going to bring multi-culturalism down hard. Multiculturalists like to say "well the Italians integrated you racist!!" Well, yes they did, but I also know virtually no descendants of Italian immigrants that actually think they're Italian, speak Italian and frankly give a shit what happens in Italy. It is more "cultural flavor" and closer to white Southerners being proud of their heritage than a truly distinct claim on ethnicity.

    So take whatever difficulty you'd have integrating a racially diverse set of new immigrants into a still largely homogeneous society, add in a heaping dose of Capitalist encouragement to not give up the old ways and you have a recipe for long term, very severe ethnic conflict. In the long run, there are few things we all share deeply in common at group levels, but one of those things is tribalism. You can indoctrinate that out of us about as well as you can indoctrinate pack instincts out of dogs.

    1. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

      It is more "cultural flavor" and closer to white Southerners being proud of their heritage than a truly distinct claim on ethnicity.

      I take it you have never been to the deep south...

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    2. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      We (humans) like to fight, if we are not fighting over oil / water / land etc. we will fight over whether the playstation is better than the xbox - it's the way we are wired.

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    3. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      More and more this seems to really be a thing with the immigrant diasporas in the West, and it's going to bring multi-culturalism down hard. Multiculturalists like to say "well the Italians integrated you racist!!" Well, yes they did, but I also know virtually no descendants of Italian immigrants that actually think they're Italian, speak Italian and frankly give a shit what happens in Italy. It is more "cultural flavor" and closer to white Southerners being proud of their heritage than a truly distinct claim on ethnicity.

      That could be true for the example you said; however, it meant that you have no idea of Chinese culture. Many Chinese people (from mainland China) are loyal to their country of origin regardless where they are residing (in China or else where). They teach their descendants to keep similar loyalty to China. Thus, the company target might work at a certain degree. However, I have no idea on the company strategy, so I can't give any comment on how successful their strategy is (likely unsuccessful).

    4. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note what LeEco is saying here: they're creating Chinese content for US citizens who are of Chinese descent. They're not trying to open up the American market in general the way the Japanese did with anime, video games, etc. This is targeted by ethnicity.

      I'm probably more concerned about immigrant groups not integrating in the U.S. than you and I'm one of the ethnicities you seem to criticize. However, I don't think the LeEco strategy of creating Chinese content for U.S. citizens is due to a failure of Chinese to integrate in the U.S. as you would suggest. In fact, I suspect most second generation or later Chinese people have little to no interest in LeEco's offerings. The people of Chinese descent who have an interest are most likely going to be people whose first language is Chinese and they are more comfortable speaking it than English. Also, much of the programming in the U.S. does not interest these people. You have to understand that they are first generation Americans: they're most likely too frugal to pay for cable or one of the various subscription services such as Netflix. That leaves them with broadcast television, which doesn't even appeal to many wholly American audiences.

      My opinion of LeEco's new direction is that they're going to try to sell the only thing they've got: Chinese language programming that only appeal to people of Chinese descent or Sinophiles. The alternative is to withdraw from the U.S. market, which they will not do because every company from an export mercantile country's goal is to establish a business in the developed markets, particularly the U.S.

      If I were to speculate on nefarious motives, LeEco is part of the Communist Chinese propaganda machine to potentially turn American citizens of Chinese descent or to provide a entertainment programming to Chinese spies already in the U.S.

      The U.S. needs to seriously reconsider its relationship with China and Chinese nationals.

    5. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, I have no idea on the company strategy

      Oh, no! You (and everybody else) don't know? Neither does LeEco! :)

      It was obvious LeEco was either going to go bust or require the Chinese government subsidize its idiotic business fantasies in the U.S.

    6. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You pick one paragraph that you don't like, while ignoring the entire post which makes exactly your point?

    7. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      More and more this seems to really be a thing with the immigrant diasporas in the West, and it's going to bring multi-culturalism down hard. Multiculturalists like to say "well the Italians integrated you racist!!" Well, yes they did, but I also know virtually no descendants of Italian immigrants that actually think they're Italian, speak Italian and frankly give a shit what happens in Italy.

      The main difference between the Chinese and Italian waves of immigration is 100 years. Look at Italian integration one or two decades after the mass immigration in the 1900's. That is the period that is comparable to the current Chinese cultural evolution. The slow waning of Italian identity took over half a century. I grew up in an Italian-American neighborhood in the 80's. Even then, Italian identity, including speaking Italian, eating Italian food, being proud of being Italian, was still strong.

      The second and third generation Chinese are already "integrating" quickly. How quickly the overall Chinese-American population melds with average American culture will largely depend on the future trend of new Chinese immigration, the same as with all other immigrant populations, including all European immigrants.

    8. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there are few things we all share deeply in common at group levels, but one of those things is tribalism. You can indoctrinate that out of us about as well as you can indoctrinate pack instincts out of dogs.

      Dogs would be considerably more difficult to "socialize" than humans. Humans learn most of their behavior in the form of social norms. Those social norms are based on instincts (or more precisely instincts are deliberately inflamed to enforce control/authoritarianism), but they are not stronger than our intellect (at birth). If kids can be taught to mind their manners at the table, they can be taught the benefits of avoiding tribalism.

      For humans, the indoctrination starts at the lunch table in primary school. Who you sit with is your tribe, you MUST choose one and only one. This is the reason that "family tradition" demands eating dinner together as well. There is an old saying "your dog only loves you because you feed him". It is the false scarcity of food that enables the tribal system to continue.

      Since we are thinking creatures, it doesn't even have to be directly food either for the manipulation to work. It can be things that "put food on the table", such as the rights to labor compensation.

      Loyalty is easy to inspire when your basic needs are controlled.

    9. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      More and more this seems to really be a thing with the immigrant diasporas in the West, and it's going to bring multi-culturalism down hard. Multiculturalists like to say "well the Italians integrated you racist!!" Well, yes they did, but I also know virtually no descendants of Italian immigrants that actually think they're Italian, speak Italian and frankly give a shit what happens in Italy. It is more "cultural flavor" and closer to white Southerners being proud of their heritage than a truly distinct claim on ethnicity.

      The key difference is that in prior waves of immigration being assimilated in terms of language and culture was pushed - and surprise surprise they did indeed become Americans. This was the melting pot idea and it largely worked. Now we coddle them, don't expect them to learn the language, don't expect them to follow the law (yes illegal immigration is illegal), and really don't seem to care if they "melt in". We don't look after the people already in the country but we can't wait to let more in. And we wonder why there is a cultural breakdown. Donald Trump is a warning, it really can get much worse if the middle class continues to decline and inequality guarantees opportunities only for the 1%.

    10. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      People from China, and the rest of Asia, have been coming to North America for at least 150 years so I don't understand where you are saying this is the second and third generation. There were spikes in immigration for gold rushes and building of the Canadian railways (don't know about the American ones).

    11. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      People from China, and the rest of Asia, have been coming to North America for at least 150 years so I don't understand where you are saying this is the second and third generation. There were spikes in immigration for gold rushes and building of the Canadian railways (don't know about the American ones).

      This is exactly my point. The latter generations of Chinese-Americans don't have European faces but otherwise "look" like Americans. They have American names, eat American food, play American sports, listen to American music, etc. It's the first generation that struggles to adopt the new culture, and this is true of all immigrants, even from Europe.

      There have been three waves of Chinese immigration: a small wave around 1850 to 1882 (when Chinese immigration was legally outlawed), a second small wave from the 60's to 80's after the repeal of the Chinese Exclusion Act and the increase in the immigration quota from 105 people per year, and the current large wave of immigration that started in the 90's. My point is that the first two waves of Chinese have largely already integrated into American culture. However, a huge portion of the current Chinese-American population consists of the last wave of immigration, and it will take a few decades for them to adopt the American culture.

    12. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First generation = a person who newly immigrates to a country. If you've heard Japanese terms before, these people are issei.
      Second generation = a child of the person of the first generation. This person is born in the immigrated-to country. Using a Japanese term, these people are nisei and much ado was made of the U.S.internment of many nisei during World War II.
      Third generation = a child of the person of the second generation and a grandchild of the person of the first generation. This person is also born in the immigrated-to country.

      There are a good number of Americans of Chinese descent who are second generation and do not speak Chinese. The number is even greater in the third and later generations.

      Language is one of the most crucial things influencing culture. With the exception of their appearances--which they cannot control--and their surnames, second and third generation Chinese-Americans have assimilated into American society as much as American society allows.

    13. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The key difference is that in prior waves of immigration being assimilated in terms of language and culture was pushed - and surprise surprise they did indeed become Americans.

      Except that the current groups of immigrants are assimilating faster than previous ethnic groups not slower. But you go ahead and pretend you never read that, better to be wrong and righteous than right and reflective.

    14. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note what LeEco is saying here: they're creating Chinese content for US citizens who are of Chinese descent. They're not trying to open up the American market in general the way the Japanese did with anime, video games, etc. This is targeted by ethnicity.

      No, what they are saying is they are broke and are going to cheap-out by re-purposing as much of their domestic content as possible because they can't afford to go big. Its crazy that you see some sort of foreign conspiracy in what is boilerplate PR spin from a company that bit off more than it could chew. And it is sad that there are enough other paranoids to mod up your chicken-little hogwash.

    15. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . . .but I also know virtually no descendants of Italian immigrants that actually think they're Italian, speak Italian and frankly give a shit what happens in Italy

      WTF kind of cast-iron bubble of ignorance are you locked within?

      There are plenty of Italians who maintain their language and cultural heritage, there are plenty of Irish-Americans who care about goings-on in Ireland, American Latinos who are avid consumers of Spanish-language and ethnicly oriented entertainment, Jewish Americans who have never been to Israel but are interested in current events in that area of the world. The list is endless.

      You are arguing that actual multi-culturalism, i.e. a broader community that maintains multiple, distinct cultural facets, is "going to bring multi-culturalism down hard. WUT?

      So take whatever difficulty you'd have integrating a racially diverse set of new immigrants into a still largely homogeneous society. . .

      Okay, not it makes sense. You haven't left the house in 50 years.

    16. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      I'll go ahead and see largely Spanish signs in California. I'll note the huge amounts of ESL for kids of illegals. Observation is undeniable and clearly shows that any jokes about Mexifornia are spot on. - Update - I read your article and it largely spoke about mixed marriages, and how people self identify for the Census. What I'm talking about is far more basic, such as could you respond to the census in English.

    17. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Update: The point is that mixed marriages are a leading indicator of assimilation because the parents only speak english at home so the kids never learn any language but english. And the rate of mixed marriages is greater for hispanics and asians than it has been for any previous ethinic group.

      But you stick to your anecdata. That's the only proof a righteous paranoid needs!

    18. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      You pick one paragraph that you don't like, while ignoring the entire post which makes exactly your point?

      If you really use your brain to think a bit out of the box, you would see that my point is directed to his main point...

      Note what LeEco is saying here: they're creating Chinese content for US citizens who are of Chinese descent. They're not trying to open up the American market in general the way the Japanese did with anime, video games, etc. This is targeted by ethnicity.

      That's what LeEco may want to go after because they hope that Chinese people keep up their culture and would be their consumers. Though, it seems that their strategy doesn't work (but I don't know what their strategy in doing this).

    19. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      But you stick to your anecdata. That's the only proof a righteous paranoid needs!

      It hardly seems a "righteous" request to speak the language of the country. As for paranoid, I've seen the destruction that mass immigration has caused. If anything I'm not paranoid enough. Fairly large sections of Southern California resemble Mexico in just about every way, from the language to the litter. That is not progress, that is reverting to a third world country. Anyone who would cheer that on is not living near it.

      Marriage data is taking an unrealistically long view, certainly longer than my lifetime. I don't want to leave a worse off place for my kids in the hope that ~100 years later it will all work out.

    20. Re:Not a good thing in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > destruction
      > not paranoid enough
      > reverting to a third world country.

      Yeah, that's not righteous indignation at all...

      > Marriage data is taking an unrealistically long view, certainly longer than my lifetime

      Lulwut? You plan on dying by age 25?
      Assimilation has always been a multi-generation process. Hispanics and asians are assimilating faster than any previous group.
      When the irish, italians, poles and germans were the immigrants there were fearful little tribalists just like you saying exactly the same things about them. More than a century later there are still enclaves in this country where german is the first language.

  14. Re:Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, both choices sucked. Clearly the problem started in the primaries, or before.

    Can you name one thing Trump has done that you consider positive?

  15. The Obvious Point. by foxalopex · · Score: 1

    So company that I've never heard of goes out of business... Umm why isn't that a surprise? How's this even news? I initially actually mistook the company name for "La Crosse" which makes a lot of home weather monitoring equipment. I wonder if anyone else thought this...

    1. Re:The Obvious Point. by jandrese · · Score: 1

      They were a multibillion dollar conglomerate with products ranging from streaming video, home electronics, handheld electronics, and even futuristic electric vehicles. They were not well known in the English speaking US outside of their Faraday Future division, but that doesn't mean they were some tiny mom and pop outfit. At least they are failing early so there isn't as much pressure for an investor or a government to step in and save them at great expense.

      --

      I read the internet for the articles.
    2. Re: The Obvious Point. by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      So some unknown company with more money than brains spread themselves too thin on random whims

      Got it

  16. Re: Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's kept the other politicians so busy trying to figure out how his daily dramatic episode is going to affect them politically that they don't have time to get anything else done... that's a positive thing.

  17. I certainly do have an idea... by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 1

    however, it meant that you have no idea of Chinese culture. Many Chinese people (from mainland China) are loyal to their country of origin regardless where they are residing (in China or else where). They teach their descendants to keep similar loyalty to China.

    I am actually quite well aware of this tendency among the Chinese, which is why to the extent that we allow immigration from China it should be both very limited and immigrants who betray their new citizenship should be ruthlessly dealt with by the legal system because you are fighting not just individuals, but a culturally-ingrained instinct in that legal fight. Frankly, we should be taking a sober view and asking ourselves whether it is really worth the risk in the long run, and I personally don't think it is (and China agrees, which is why like most of East Asia they have a pittance of the legal immigration we do).

    1. Re:I certainly do have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am actually quite well aware of this tendency among the Chinese, which is why to the extent that we allow immigration from China it should be both very limited

      80 years ago people were saying the same bullshit about the japanese and look where that got us.
      Keep that up and people are going to start calling you the n-word. Not that n-word, the n-word racists actually hate.

  18. Re:Never heard of them by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Better fanfic than most.

  19. Re:Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump was a filthy discusting scumbag way before the presidency was even an idea in his mind. Anyone that has lived even just a few minutes on this planet at any time in the past 40 years should have known that.

    When will you thick-skulled Trump apologists get it ? It's not about democrats vs republicans, conservatives vs liberals, it's about TRUMP for fuck's sake ! Do you really believe any other republican president would have generated as much ire and discontent as Trump has ? Do you really think Trump has managed to get the lowest presidential approval rate of all U.S. history simply because he's a republican president ?

    Wake the fuck up for christ's sake. Trump is a master con-artist and he successfully conned the fucking presidency because of clueless, ignorant, gullible idiots like yourself who actually believed that he would sincerely fight on behalf of people he's build his entire fortune and carreer screwing over.

  20. They Should Rename Themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As 'LetGo'!

  21. This whole place is full of shitbags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No idea why anyone posts under a uid anymore. I stopped ages ago.