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Mark Zuckerberg Calls for Universal Basic Income in His Harvard Commencement Speech (fortune.com)

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg has become the latest major tech figure to call for universal basic income as a solution for inequality, joining a growing chorus from Silicon Valley. From a report: "Every generation expands its definition of equality. Now it's time for our generation to define a new social contract," Zuckerberg said during his commencement speech at Harvard University. "We should have a society that measures progress not by economic metrics like GDP but by how many of us have a role we find meaningful. We should explore ideas like universal basic income to give everyone a cushion to try new things," he said. Zuckerberg told the class of 2017 that he was able to pursue his passion in Facebook because he knew he had a safety net to fall back on.

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  1. Social parties are collapsing by Avarist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Across Europe Socialist parties are collapsing because they have become largely irrelevant as all they are seeking to do now is create more bureaucracy. Governments need to learn to be lean and simple. UBI accomplishes this.

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    1. Re:Social parties are collapsing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, yeah. "Everybody knows".

      People like your alleged relatives are also pretty useless as workers and tend to bounce in and out of jobs even without welfare. That's assuming that they are actually deadbeats and not simply people who for one reason or another cannot work a decent job and think you're an asshole for sitting on your high horse like God's Own Favored.

      Of course, if you make people be "worthy" of welfare by yanking it the minute they try to get ahead, that's not much incentive to do anything BUT sit around all day. The point of UBI is that there are no strings attached, so they can use it as a base and it's up to them whether to aim higher or not.

      When you get a "Hand Up", you're enslaved. You do what The Hand says, or you get dropped.

      When you get a "Hand Out", you're free. It's your own personal responsibility whether you make something of it or not. Whether you use this largesse for good or for ill.

      That's what UBI is about. Freedom.

  2. Great! by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Now where does this money come from? More taxes on the average working man? Good to know that a sheer luck billionaire is shaping global finances.

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  3. He is worth $50+ billion dollars by mi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He could pay off the debt of all of the students attending his speech and not even notice, but no... Voluntary help just will not do.

    He wants other people's wealth to be "spread around" at gun-point...

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  4. OK, But... by ytene · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Facebook are one of a number of companies that have a habit of using exotic international tax vehicles to move profits from countries where corporation taxes are reasonable to countries where they are super-low. As a result of this, personal taxation in the countries where Facebook export their profits have to be higher. Which pushes down the standard of living for citizens in those countries.

    I get that this speech was more about marketing and PR than actually intending to do anything useful, but in the event that Mr Zuckerberg would like to make a positive start to inequality, can I respectfully suggest that he pays taxes where they are due, and makes a declaration that Facebook will no longer use "international tax vehicles" to move profits around and thereby avoid paying taxes.

    If Mr Zuckerberg and/or Facebook aren't willing to do that, then can I respectfully suggest that he is full of ####.

  5. Re:Isn't this just welfare for the rich? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, I would rather people be campaigning for Universal Basic Employment. That is, a system where everyone would always have access to a job that paid basic living expenses, a job built around each person's particular skill set.

    Of course the CEO's of the world would never campaign for THAT, because it might threaten their cheap labor supply (who would then always have an alternative job to go to).

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  6. Re:In other news... by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think he knows it all too well.

    First of all, please stop confusing economy and finance. At no point in history those two were further apart then today. Economy is about people doing and making things for each other. No money is needed for economy. If you need an example, look at any parent who raises a child.
    Finance, on the other hand, is all about money. That money used to involve work, but the financial sector found out long ago that automatic gambling machines yielded more than actual work. The fiat money of today can be (and is) conjured out of thin air by banks and central banks. During the recent crises, central banks have made up more money than ever before, to stabilize their "hopes and dreams".

    Alas they spent it on the wrong people. The European Central Bank, for example, buys "financial products" from internationals without ever caching them, they cant: it is their way of getting money into the virtual economy and caching would take it out again. In short, multinationals already DO have a Universal Basic Income. If you know that, why on earth would it be good to give it to multinationals and bad to give it to real people? Hint: real people might be lazy and greedy, but multinationals are guaranteed to be!

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  7. Re: Who will pay for it? by Kohath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And how do you do "millions of dollars worth of sales each year"? How can a single individual make so much money? There's a problem with that. Somebody in your supply chain is getting royally screwed so that you can get so much profit.

    At a concert, 30,000 people buy tickets to see a single entertainer. It's a good show and the fans leave happy. Who is "getting screwed" when the entertainer gets 6 figures for a few hours work?

  8. Re: Who will pay for it? by netsavior · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is a completely different game once you bridge a serious gap in the market. there are 3 kinds of houses in the US:
    1) Homes people buy because they need to live somewhere and they can afford to buy this house here.
    2) Homes in which nobody who could afford them would live there (rental only, think slumlord to casual investor to real-estate get-rich sucker)
    and
    3) Ultra premium. Houses so far above the cost of living for an area that you cannot buy it if you work for a living.

    These all have wildly different real-estate agent behavior, and most people will only ever deal with #1, and maybe #2 #1 are 6% commissions with realtors who will be a realtor for an average of 5 years, any "staging" they do will be cheap or free, and mostly your commission is paying for their time. #2 are square-foot checklists, repair lists, inspections, and flat broker fees. An agent might list on MLS and coordinate with inspectors... nothing really outside of that. #3 People have no imagination, and they simply won't buy a premium/high-end house if it isn't staged. They aren't buying a house because they have to live somewhere. a 10 million dollar+ house will be staged with a half-million dollars in furniture, art, dishes, towels, etc most rented, some owned by the realtor or their group. Any drawer, closet, or cabinet that might be opened, will have items in it that convey a luxury lifestyle. Leather-bound books on the book cases, electronics, toiletries, everything.
    They might even hire a chef to put freshly made food in the refrigerator to be thrown away after a showing. I am dead serious.
    They might learn that a buyer likes purple and replace all the flowers in the landscaping with purple pansies.
    They will definitely put fresh cut flowers, fresh fruit, etc out before every showing. Spending hundreds of dollars on disposable goods every time they unlock the front door.

    I worked in risk assessment for in the real-estate industry for years. Once for a listing in Malibu I had a 6 million dollar insurance policy go through my system... covering JUST THE ITEMS USED FOR STAGING. It included a Ferrari... Used for staging a garage.