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China To Implement Cyber Security Law From Thursday (reuters.com)

Posted by msmash on from the it's-here dept.

China, battling increased threats from cyber-terrorism and hacking, will adopt from Thursday a controversial law that mandates strict data surveillance and storage for firms working in the country, the official Xinhua news agency said. From a report: The law, passed in November by the country's largely rubber-stamp parliament, bans online service providers from collecting and selling users' personal information, and gives users the right to have their information deleted, in cases of abuse. "Those who violate the provisions and infringe on personal information will face hefty fines," the news agency said on Monday, without elaborating.

59 comments

  1. From Saturday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I like the law from Saturday much better.

    Is this a bad translation or ??

    1. Re:From Saturday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The editor, msmash, is probably from India. Indian English is slightly different from American English.

  2. "the right to have their information deleted" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All deletion requests will have the data given to the Chinese government first, naturally.

    1. Re: "the right to have their information deleted" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You know it. It's like when Facebook says it can take up to two weeks to delete a profile. Of course, so they can go through all your stuff to make sure you're not hiding and get an archived copy to pass around.

  3. Enforcement by jader3rd · · Score: 2

    I wonder how they're going to enforce that.

    1. Re: Enforcement by guruevi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      China has a very easy way: play ball or don't do business here. They understand that whatever you're offering, someone else is more than willing to fill the gap, there is no such thing as a company they can't survive without.

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    2. Re:Enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a $5.00 wrench.

      "Oh, that's some data that we can't read, headache time for you!" "Random garbage? Nope, rule is: We can't read it, you've violated the law and will be punished. That includes anything you wrote to NUL too."

      "And I said to myself.....what a wonderful world......"

    3. Re: Enforcement by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      China has a very easy way: play ball or don't do business here.

      Obviously. I was wondering how China would gather evidence about companies complying. Will the government enforce daily scans of every companies entire data store?

    4. Re: Enforcement by guruevi · · Score: 1

      No need, the Chinese governments has enough informants. They gave up to $70k cash to citizens that inform the government about US spying within their country and in a few years they got 20 CIA operatives killed.

      It's also clearly evident when someone is spying on you and selling data online, this sort of thing would effectively remove any targeted advertising in China, and without targeted advertising, the data is worthless.

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  4. How is this controversial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a basic human right to privacy being protected by a communist country. Irony if anything.

    1. Re:How is this controversial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really ironic since the government is above the law.

    2. Re:How is this controversial? by Calydor · · Score: 1

      You say that like only communist governments consider themselves above the law.

      Which is worse: Being able to delete your information BUT the government keeps a copy, or being unable to delete your information AND the government keeps a copy?

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    3. Re:How is this controversial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't really matter. Both are equally bad as they boil down to the same thing: the information is retained.

    4. Re:How is this controversial? by dszd0g · · Score: 1

      So true. In the US right now we have no privacy from private companies or the government. It's mostly illegal for the government to spy on us, but they keep getting caught doing it anyways with no punishment for anyone involved.

      Now, in China it will be illegal for private companies to spy on people, although they will probably do it anyways. The government spies on people, but they don't hide that fact at all.

      Which is better?

      What is going to happen to popular spyware products in China? Windows 10, Android, Chrome, Smart TVs, etc.? Google.com and Facebook are blocked in China I believe, so those are non-issues. My guess is business as usual, although the government will probably throw some fines at American tech companies and it won't change anything.

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  5. Chinese Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Why is is that I want to wrap up every American girl in a tarp, duct tape it into a ball so it wastes less space, and throw it in the dumpster? Vile, filthy animal that should be kept at a zoo purely for observation and amusement.
     
    Chinese girl on the other hand. Well, one from good province. Smart, friendly, I could go on for thirty minutes with descriptors. The perfect girl that American women hate because of their retarded competition complex. Pick one Chinese girl and friends for life. Pick one American girl and you are financially ruined for life. I don't get it. Is it cultural or racial?

    1. Re:Chinese Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://boards.4chan.org/pol/

      This is one of the few places on the internet that isn't completely cancer ridden.

    2. Re:Chinese Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. This place isn't entirely taken over with SJW hand wringing virtue signals.

    3. Re:Chinese Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, its full of dumb as fuck deluded virgins in moms basement having a mass alt-right circle jerk then, got it.
      What a useless cunt, you cant even manage a good troll.

    4. Re:Chinese Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not even Asian guys want Chinese girls. The only guys who want them are white guys who can't get white girls.

    5. Re:Chinese Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. It's somewhat full of deluded, pussywhipped, cuckold fetishers having a mass regressive-left circle jerk.

      What a useless cunt, you don't even know what the term 'troll' means.

    6. Re:Chinese Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awww, poor Trumpflake is trigered. Youre so determined to be exactly what you claimed the left was. Sad. Very funny too, but sad.
      Poor widdle troll boy.

    7. Re:Chinese Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trumpflakes like chinese girls because there is a chance their tiny dicks might touch the sides.

    8. Re: Chinese Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can easily pick up white girls. I just find Asian girls to be skinnier and prettier than most white girls. The heaviest Asian girl I've dated was 48kg and that's because she had huge breasts... back in white people land the vast majority of girls are overweight.... you go into a western nightclub maybe 8 of the girls are worth taking home. You goto a big nightclub in Singapore, china or Japan. There will be 20 to 30.

    9. Re:Chinese Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awww, poor Libflake is trigered. Youre so determined to be exactly what you claimed the right was. Sad. Very funny too, but sad.
      Poor not-so-widdle trigglypuff.

    10. Re: Chinese Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want a fat chick.... Sure.... What a bunch of fat self entitled bithces we have here... And the guys I see with those fat white bitches.... I don't cry for them

    11. Re:Chinese Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried a couple of difference models. They mostly have the same functions. The Asian variants is similar to the Nordic variants in most ways. The Nordic models tends to be taller, but it does not make much of a difference in usage. I would advice to test your chosen model for a while to see if it fits your needs. Many of the variants available have a well developed strong independent mindset that can be very helpful and sometimes challenging.

      Good luck!

  6. Mainly it sounds GREAT by charliemerritt03 · · Score: 2

    Sounds like a law the West could use.

  7. trump trump trump trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    how can we spin this to make trump look bad?

    without killing anyone... they're getting wise to that.

    1. Re:trump trump trump trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump needs no help to look bad, he manages just fine by himself.
      Funny how all the Trumpers have become the non existant snowflakes they were so keen on abusing.
      The Moving Finger.

    2. Re:trump trump trump trump by jandersen · · Score: 1

      how can we spin this to make trump look bad?

      There is hardly any need to do that, since he is doing it so well. Seriously, hearing him in a public speech, saying '...no president in history has been as badly as me...' had me in stitches. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry - and this is supposedly the leader of the free world? What did he expect - that people would line the streets, waving palm-fronds and singing 'hosannah' wherever he went? Compare to other political leaders - Obama was reviled in obscene ways by the right-wing outlets in America, and took it with dignity. It happens to everybody in exposed postions, especially when they are politicians who pursue controversial policies, and you simply have to be tough enough to take it on the chin. But this guy is simply a whimp.

    3. Re:trump trump trump trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - and this is supposedly the leader of the free world?

      No, he is not. He is the leader of the USA.

    4. Re:trump trump trump trump by gtall · · Score: 1

      Wimp? Gee, what gave it away, that he weenied out to the Saudis or is ceding the Pacific basin to the Chinese?

      Hi modus operandi (to put lipstick on a pig) is to loudly proclaim just about any good thing is about to happen through his auspices. When one or two of them do (out of sheer happenstance) he takes credit. All the rest of his waffle is forgotten because when you shovel as much as he does, no one can be arsed to keep track of it all.

      I like the report in the Wash. Post where they say he likes his security briefings with large glossy photos so he need not read any time consuming complicated features of an issue. He doesn't have an attention span or the brains to grok it. He's just an ignorant git with an out-sized ego.

    5. Re:trump trump trump trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not difficult. Bonus: you get both houses of Congress too!

      https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/trump-internet-privacy-laws-data-explainer/

      captcha: bucolic

    6. Re:trump trump trump trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stand back... watch the tweets.

      Why add fuel to the fire, when it is already burning as well as it is?

  8. Boo China by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    Not only is China repressive freedom hating country that tramples on basic human rights, but they have stolen our government's ideas too!

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  9. Microsoft posing as Googlebot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    13.92.247.16  GET /blogs/wp-admin/setup-config.php?step=1  Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)

    NetRange: 13.64.0.0 - 13.107.255.255
    Organization: Microsoft Corporation (MSFT)

    I'd write a new low, but that's too funny.

    1. Re: Microsoft posing as Googlebot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol nice dubs bro!

  10. whaaaa by XSportSeeker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    China treating privacy with more respect than most western countries... what a time to be alive

    1. Re:whaaaa by bursch-X · · Score: 3, Informative

      You've got it wrong. China demands others to treat users with more respect, while at the same time the government is taking a shit on your hard drive. And has basically access to everything anyone does on the net in China. They just don't want to share with others.

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    2. Re:whaaaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the west, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, etc, are the government. West looses.

    3. Re: whaaaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the Chinese government just wants to have an avenue to have user's data deleted on their behalf...this is about protecting the PRC...not it's citizens.

    4. Re:whaaaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China treating privacy with more respect than most western countries... what a time to be alive

      If they were REALLY serious, China would change the following statement:

        "Those who violate the provisions and infringe on personal information will face hefty fines,"

      to the following:

        "Those who violate the provisions and infringe on personal information will face a firing squad,"

      There...much better.

    5. Re:whaaaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not really this was predicted A LONG TIME AGO

      conversation with the barman in the lucky money club in the videogame deus ex 1

      check it out if you dont beleive me

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKF0IYwhrjk

    6. Re:whaaaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China treating privacy with more respect than most western countries... what a time to be alive

      They just don't want bad data polluting their algorithmic policing.

  11. Because the terrorists are always the other. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quite stupid thing we started here in the West. The "tarrists" justify nearly anything. Now watch those autocrats putting "our" shiny new label on anything they dislike (as they have seen this and that faction doing it over "here").

    Result: repression. Whether we consider "our" system to be democratic or not.

  12. No AI and analytics of our data - what's wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something what most users would want to, isn't it:: "bans online service providers from collecting and selling users' personal information, and gives users the right to have their information deleted, in cases of abuse." ?

  13. They want the exclusive right by bursch-X · · Score: 1

    Only China wants the right to keep, search and filter your data. It's their preciousss.

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    1. Never tell everything you know.
  14. Clintards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Only fucking democrat idiots would vote that shit.

    Every day more racism from democrats. They want to segragate some schools in California, Hawai and other places, based on race. They are racist, stupid, losers. Regressist retards.

  15. So inefficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pro-tip: hijack the internet

  16. personal data + analytics = power by sidetrack · · Score: 2

    In the West, whoever can afford to buy your data and sufficient analytics and brains/AI to watch the campaign feedback are probably the next government.

    The Chinese government have realised this, and are trying to make sure that data isn't available (commercially) for their individual citizens. They see it as a significant risk to their establishment I'd guess. I hope the EU countries pass similar laws.

    1. Re:personal data + analytics = power by sidetrack · · Score: 1

      ... otherwise it'll be the effective end of their democracies and government by the rich and powerful (who will make sure that the majority of the public believe the opposite is what's actually happened).

    2. Re:personal data + analytics = power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1000x this. Mod this up please.

      Political organizations and think tanks have been building a fairly potent psychological warfare apparatus where they take news and intelligence feeds to build a signalling infrastructure which produces psychographic and demographic maps of their constituency. From there, they target swing areas and use more granular information about those areas to produce a firing solution consisting of a marketing solution. In one area, Trump is for lower taxes, in another, he's for higher taxes, and this might show up on print, bill boards, radio, or TV depending on the demographic (e.g. housewives don't vote in southern states). Go look at Obama's platform from the 2008-2012 election; in both you had literally a hundred items. Why? Because they literally decided to list up all of the edge cases they were using on people in order to get them to vote one way or another and ended up confusing the matter so completely nobody had any idea what they were voting for. Both candidates looked like the same cadidate with slightly different platforms. Compare this to Trump's platform; he had I think 6 or 7 bullet points on there and they were things like "abolish the IRS".

      In order to get to that point, you need intelligence feeds. You need to build profiles on literally each citizen and track the changes to those profiles to know what is effective. You give that information to a foreign power, havok will be wrought in everything assassinations, corporate espionage and industrial sabotage.

      One trend I have noticed is Americans are beginning to focus more concretely on news literacy. While the Chinese are engaged in their comfortable bubble, Americans have decided to allow corporations to so totally decimate people's lives, incomes, and way of living that it's become a virual necessity to be able to discern legitimate news from clap trap. This will, over a few generations, result in a more educated population that is more or less effectively immune to that psychological warfare.

    3. Re:personal data + analytics = power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That will happen regardless.

      DATA = POWER. Only the rich can afford it, and use it. The rest are screwed. It doesn't matter what laws you pass, in the end, whoever has access to this mountain of data is the new king. Whether that's Zukerburg (Capitalist), Putin (Socialist), China (Authoritarian), or our Dear Leader (Unicorn God), is irrelevant. They have the data so they have the power. The only way to win is not to play the game, but you'll never convince people of that until the second Dark Ages is in full swing and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

      Enjoy your freedom while you still can.

    4. Re:personal data + analytics = power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EU have already passed similar laws. See General Data Protection Regulation which is slowly being ratified and followed by EU countries. The actual enforcement might be slightly delayed to allow for companies to adjust how they handle personal data but it is a big buzz around it right now.

  17. China deserves +1 insightful by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

    So China implemented the law that Trump so recently repealed? Sounds like China is the place to be for next 4 years.

    Now where did I put my smokediver suit...

  18. This is a first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is amazing. It seems that China is implementing in law better privacy and identity protections for its citizens than currently exist or are enforced in the United States. The current "death to network neutrality" in order to allow ISP's to monetize their customers comes to mind.

    Good job on true freedom, and true service to the individual, China. As a nation on track to be the single global superpower, it is refreshing to see you moving toward serving humanity in a more excellent way.

    I wish the US was leading, but they sold out the individual a long time ago. They also have a view that spans only to the next election cycle, and the leaders do not care if they sell the grandchildren of their constituents into slavery.

  19. Rebecca Black does not approve! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should be on Friday! Friday Friday Friday!

  20. something better by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    TFA is very vague, This might be better for anyone who is interested. The law applies mainly apply to ISPs and online service providers like the summary says. It doesn't sound much different to me than what Europe has, please correct me if I am wrong on that.

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  21. Still haven't learned from history by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    (see subject of this post)
    The harder they try, the harder they'll fail. History repeats itself and will continue to do so ad infinitum.