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AI Could Get Smarter By Copying the Neural Structure of a Rat Brain (ieee.org)
the_newsbeagle writes: Many of today's fanciest artificial intelligence systems are some type of artificial neural network, but they bear only the roughest resemblance to a biological brain's real networks of neurons. That could change thanks to a $100M program from IARPA. The intelligence agency is funding neuroscience teams to map 1 cubic millimeter of rodent brain, looking at activity in the visual cortex while the rodent is engaged in a complex visual recognition task. By discovering how the neural circuits in that brain cube get activated to process information, IARPA hopes to find inspiration for better artificial neural networks. And an AI that performs better on visual recognition tasks could certainly be useful to intelligence agencies.
Sounds promising but do we really need an AI that takes in garbage, hides in the darkest cramped spaces, efficiently drustributes viruses, and is a plague to humankind?
AI Could Get Smarter By Copying the Neural Structure of a Rat Brain
So could Trump. Why not put that bloated military budget to good use and invest in our POTUS? Heck, if we could bump his IQ by an extra 80 points he might even reconsider supporting the Paris agreement.
Sorry but a president with just an iq of 80 won't help either.
Just because a politician doesn't espouse policies you support doesn't make him stupid, nor you smart.
If anything, it shows you're close-minded and not as smart as you believe you are - you can't even conceive the notion that you just might be wrong.
Fact isn't a policy you neanderthal. You are confusing reality with active choices, such as religion or snorting cocaine. Like with evolution (also a fact), the details of how we affect our climate are well understood, and those details are described in abundance, readily available for anyone that wishes to understand them. The comprehensive model for our climate is still very turbulent, as with most complex systems we try to understand.
Choosing a policy is what happens later, when you have the facts. The process of going from fetus to adult human being is a fact, the policy of when a fetus is considered a human is not a fact. Evolution is a fact. Choosing to replace biology with creationism is a policy.
Not "believing" the facts is what makes Trump a moron, not his policy, though obviously the latter would change were he to stop believing the former a "hoax by the Chinese". Hence he, like you, could benefit from an 80 point IQ bump, since most people of average intelligence and all above that can read well enough to understand how our actions affect our environment.
In short, you are so far below the standard human in terms of intelligence that you think fact is a policy, that your opinions are somehow equivalent to science (muh feels), and that your betters are somehow close-minded for trying to educate you.
"Data indicates that I ... err ... AI could get smarter by copying portions of a human brain. Please take a set and hold still while the probes are inserted into your cranial cavity."
C Elegans is am extensively studied nematode with exactly 302 neurons, whose contetome (wiring) is consistent and known.
But how its brain actually works remains a mystery. Neurons are complex, as is their interactions with the input and output.
Not much point looking at mice with many orders of magnitude more first.
Personally, I do not think that mapping neurons in detail will lead to AI. But if you are going to do it, start with something vaguely tractable. C Elegans.
Adding rat brains can make AI smarter, huh?
I guess that explains why the Borg kept wanting to assimilate humans.
"We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
is that even if you win, you're still a rat. Lily Tomlin
Is this some kind of way to pump money into IBM's Blue Brain Project ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... )? As I remember, that project was trying to build a rat's neocortical column and was headed by Henry Markram and was funded by Swiss govt.
As I recall, the bill in its original form contained much sensible features such as a public option for all which would count as the 'medicare expansion' that you just blasted Trump for not doing though he promised he would. It was republicans who opposed Obamacare at every turn that caused the law to be so disfugured from its original form (pretty much a Romneycare copy) and leading to a whole host of the current issues.
You can't blame the democrats for incompetence with regards to Obamacare when they were intentionally sabotaged by republicans, with the exact plan of leading to a dysfunctional Obamacare that they could then replace with something even more dysfunctional for health production and more suited towards the will of their corporate owners.
As someone working for the single-payer health care system of Finland: if your intention is to provide first world level advanced care to everyone with lower cost, single-payer is the way to go, we know this from looking at the expenditure stats and results. The US currently spend anywhere from 2-3 times as much money as most economies on health care and you're the only advanced country that lacks universal coverage. That's not just a failure of grand proportions; for the richest country on the planet that's a fucking disgrace.
So yes, I agree that the current system is a flaming trainwreck from a national health point of view but in the 10 or so years I've been following american politics it has been the republican party that's been leading the charge of fucking the american public over and driving through senseless laws because they serve corporate america way more than the interest of their voters.
"It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
In the server room!!!
The Matrix, Terminator, 9, etc-all wrong. The war between humans and machines will really begin over cheese.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
http://www.kurzweilai.net/robo...
http://www.pnas.org/content/11...
First insects, now rodents? Maybe dogs, then dolphins, then humans?
The plural of "Sitzpinkler" is also "Sitzpinkler" and a German noun always starts with a capital letter.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
How long until the AI gets scared of a loud noise, cats, bright lights and starts running along the wall, looking for a hole to crawl into??
Let's use it to model 1mm of a rat's brain instead. Who ever came up with this has a rat brain. They're just going waiste the first couple of million on EEG and shove correlations as proof for people that don't understand the experimental method, only those that care enough to retweet to look intelligent. As narcissist as this sounds, has any Slashdotter bothered to try to talk to normal people that aren't in their niche of intelligent friends? I'll save you some time, they are all as dumb as a box of rocks. I don't know if it's their preacher's fault, Facefarm before bed and when they wake up, or too much "snake oil" from TV, but we don't need money waisted on having a machine think for us. I don't even want to imagine all the shit-for-brains getting worse. We keep spending less on education and more on technology, hoping that it'll transcend somehow to balance things out. It just skews the bell curve of things towards whomever can profit the most. Micro$oft, Facefarm, and Google would absolutely love to tell you what reality is, as well as propagate you "correctly" in the ways of comfortable social Darwinism. But, let's just go ahead and build our "concept cars" of the tech world while children starve and schools fail, so when the experiment ends, we can lie to ourselves and say it is ultimately for the better. The better who? For the lesser who, instead of boats, I guess we'll use the promise of "magic machines" this time. Slap a corporate sticker on it so they know where their food is coming from.
Get the genius brain, not the abbey normal brain.
My bad. I did not remember that they had the ability to evade a filibuster. Thanks for pointing this out.
Yes, I sit corrected on this. It is their fault.
That being said, the Republican "plans" for fixing Obamacare have thus far seemed like a bunch of clueless idiots trying to extinguish a fire by pouring oil on it.
"It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
Fact isn't a policy you neanderthal. ...
Here, folks, you can see displayed the close-minded, arrogant viciousness of the standard Leftist.
While I agree TimothyHollins used unnecessarily inflammatory language in his comment, the content of his post was dead on about the difference between attacking policies and attacking incorrect beliefs behind those policies. Attacking incorrect beliefs does not make you close minded.
What most people (on both the left and right) see others with stupid beliefs they assume the holders of those beliefs are also stupid, and that is often not the case. Not every climate change or evolution denier is stupid, even though the beliefs themselves are stupid. Confirmation bias is incredibly strong, and smart people are not immune. The political right may have their climate change deniers and intelligent design promoters, but the political left has their own GMO science deniers and organic food promoters. And while I believe the political left's fringe beliefs are at least more grounded in reality than those on the political right, it is asinine to believe one side of the political spectrum has every irrational belief.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
The Democrats had the White House, the House of Representatives, and a filibuster-proof super majority in the Senate.
Obamacare's failures are entirely on Democrats.
That is not true. Ted Kennedy's death and following special election win by a Republican ended the filibuster-proof super majority in the Senate before a revised bill could be voted on. This left only an early draft to be voted on, with many flaws but a Republican party who was more interested in creating a Democrat failure than in improving health care. Considering the imperfect Obamacare Bill had many significant improvements (as evidenced by how hard it has been to get enough Republican support to repeal it in its entirety) it was a much better outcome to pass it in its imperfect form than to let it die.
The next decade was one of unprecedented obstructionism which led to many failures in the health care industry. Blame for that can certainly be shared by both parties, but one one party was not interesting in improving things. Now that this party is in power they still have to intention to improve the health care system; just to protect their votes.
The Democrats were willing to lose their majority to help the American people. Current Republicans can make no such claim.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
Killer drones guided by mutant rat brains. It's only a matter of time.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Teach AI the path finding skills of a common ant. Then get back to me on mastering rat brains.
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
this advanced facial recognition will literally rat on you?
I was never really a party line liberal, and don't blame Obama 100% for the ACA failures - he was far to conciliatory and compromised too much. Overall I didn't like Obama and am now more of an independent voter despite my family earning in the top 5% every year. My whole point is there wasn't a sane choice on either side (sure as hell wouldn't vote for Hillary), and the two party system is currently screwing the working class. Instead of only voting for the RNC or DNC candidate, vote for who you actually want like I did. If enough people do this maybe both parties will pull their heads outta their behinds.
I'm sure that was entirely satisfying, but that didn't do that much good. After all, we have a ban on refugees that has nothing to do with security and everything to do with appeasing the demographic anxieties of illiterati. Afghan and Iraqi interpreters who risked their neck for us are now facing deportation or disown past promises for legal entry. We are rolling back EPA. And so on and so on.
Hillary is putrid. She's waaay deep, embedded in the establishment. But crooked as it she was, Hillary wouldn't have pulled any of these idiotic things that have a human cost to them.
I'm sure in some ways she would have been worse than Trump, but in the totality of action and agenda, no one can make that argument with a straight face. Yeah, pat yourself on the back for your vote. There are times in history that sure you can protest your vote and make it be the ideal representation of what your views should be. This wasn't one of them.
There's nothing extraordinary about rats vis-a-vis humans. And its _human_ intelliigence we want to model, not rat intelligence, last time I checked!
We don't need any Artificial Rats, though my cat might enjoy one.
Don't worry about the Trat1000. They are easy to trick. You lure them into a trap with peanut butter.
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
Sorry, but that isn't an argument for stupid, that's an argument for evil. Now having your casino go bankrupt, that's an argument for stupid, at least on the surface. Perhaps there was some hidden way in which it benefited him, so it's only another argument for evil, but on the surface it looks like an argument for stupid.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Idiot. Population decrease is strongly correlated with access to television. Cancer generally doesn't happen at a young enough age to affect population. (The study about TV and population growth dates back to the 1950's or '60's. I suspect that internet access might show the same correlation, but I've never seen a study testing the hypothesis.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I, for one, welcome our new rat-brained AI Overlords!
There are millions of other places in internet where you can rant about politics. From all those places why in /.?
Im so tired of this bullshit.
Funny how I hear that "this isn't the time" every god damned fucking election and I'll bet I continue to hear it throughout the remainder of my life.
No! YOU ARE PERSONALLY responsible dilweed. People like you always force the issue, then look shocked. Simply shocked when it doesn't pan out.
Every single one of you that I know have always ultimately expressed regret over how things turned out but are absolutely never in favor of even making an attempt to change things. It's always which evil isn't as bad as the other evils. Not which is the best option. You guys are ALWAYS ready to sell off the next half of the light of the world to "save" the remainder. Never mind that by the time you guys are through were now down to like 0.00002% of the light of the world. Next election, it will be the same. Then it will be 0.00001% of the light of the world. But hey! Still not your fault even though you sell off half every damn time!
Say what you want. There was only one alternative to stop the Muslim ban. One.
You either tried to use your vote to stop it, or you used it to "try change things." Again, this type of thinking only comes from people who are not going to be significantly affected by The Great Orange One's bigoted policies.