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Walmart Is Turning Its Employees Into Delivery Drivers To Compete With Amazon (qz.com)

Walmart, which is aggressively investing in e-commerce to better compete with Amazon, is unveiling a new strategy: turning its army of 1.5 million US employees into delivery drivers. From a report: The tactic is being tested at three stores in New Jersey and Arkansas, and designed to shave costs out of the "last mile" of distribution, the most expensive part of getting goods to customers. Under the initiative, store employees will be given the option to deliver packages on their way home after work, in exchange for extra pay. They'll be given an app that allows them to input their routes, and an algorithm will plot the most efficient path. To take part, the employees will have to pass a background and vehicle check.

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  1. I have been waiting a long time for this... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Even though it didn't come out quite the way the book had it, at long last we will have - the deliverator .

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    1. Re:I have been waiting a long time for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, these are WalMart employees. At best you're getting a rusty Gremlin or an El Camino with a hand drawn confederate flag on the roof.

      And your delivery agent won't be a cyber-ninja. It'll be a pink tutu and thong wearing furry.

    2. Re: I have been waiting a long time for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White shirt, black slacks, 2010 Ford Focus.

    3. Re:I have been waiting a long time for this... by thsths · · Score: 1

      I agree, I am surprised it took this long to make this happen. There are clearly efficiency savings to be made, and I would not mind driving a different route every once in a while.

      Of course Uber also started as a "ride sharing" app, with the same idea. And just like there, I wonder whether this is just once again an excuse to pay less than minimum wage.

  2. A Check? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe things are different in the rest of the country but.... a background and vehicle check? Most of the employees at Walmart I've met couldn't pass a sanity check...

    1. Re:A Check? by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

      Maybe things are different in the rest of the country but.... a background and vehicle check? Most of the employees at Walmart I've met couldn't pass a sanity check...

      For the most part, one has to be insane to work for Wally World as a foot soldier. As such, instituting a sanity check would be detrimental to their employee pool.

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    2. Re:A Check? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Most of the employees at Walmart I've met couldn't pass a sanity check...

      It's a Catch-22 . . . if you would pass a sanity check, you wouldn't be working for Balled-Mart in the first place . . .

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  3. Insurance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who's on the hook when they have an accident?

    1. Re:Insurance? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      The Walmart employees, of course. They have to pay for the damaged goods.

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    2. Re: Insurance? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Typically if you are on the clock while driving, then the employer is liable for any damages not covered by your insurance. It varies by state, but in most cases that's how it works.

      If you're an independent contractor, (i.e. Uber) then you alone are liable.

    3. Re: Insurance? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      In addition, workman's compnshoukd cover the employee as well.

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    4. Re: Insurance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, if that Walmart employee runs over a girl scout troop on the way delivering a package?

    5. Re: Insurance? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      So, if that Walmart employee runs over a girl scout troop on the way delivering a package?

      WalMart will be buying a lot of cookies...

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  4. Or... by clonehappy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wal-Mart could just hire a miniumum-wage delivery driver for each store and have deliveries all day long. If every pizza and Chinese restaurant can do it, so can Wal-Mart.

    1. Re:Or... by slew · · Score: 1

      Wal-Mart could just hire a miniumum-wage delivery driver for each store and have deliveries all day long. If every pizza and Chinese restaurant can do it, so can Wal-Mart.

      I suspect the difference would be that your Wal-Mart driver (like the Amazon/OnTrac driver) won't be expecting to make any tips, so you'd have to pay them more than minimum wage. Also, Wal-Mart already has a bunch of minimum wage employees that probably aren't normally scheduled for 40hours/week because they work multiple jobs, making them ideal candidates for this task...

    2. Re:Or... by Woldscum · · Score: 2

      What does Domino's or Pizza Hut do for delivery drivers? Should be an apples to apples comparison. Except for business hours. Plus most WalMarts can deliver groceries and will pay the local sales tax.

    3. Re:Or... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      What does Domino's or Pizza Hut do for delivery drivers? Should be an apples to apples comparison.

      No, it isn't. As the OP pointed out, pizza driver get tips. Wal-mart delivery drivers wouldn't (do you tip the UPS man?)

    4. Re:Or... by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      What does Domino's or Pizza Hut do for delivery drivers? Should be an apples to apples comparison.

      No, it isn't. As the OP pointed out, pizza driver get tips. Wal-mart delivery drivers wouldn't (do you tip the UPS man?)

      No, but I probably should... maybe a holiday gift card... It's been forever since I stepped into a mall to buy anything...

    5. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked at a Pizza Hut that paid minimum wage starting for drivers, but other pizza places in town paid anywhere from $3-5/hr. $5/hr seems to be the average around here. Then you get a gas/maintenance stipend per ticket. Some places its a flat amount, others are rated by how far from the store they are.

    6. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all a matter of cost. The more you can reuse existing trips, the cheaper the cost can be. Uber and Lyft are taxi services right now, but the really could become ride sharing. Consider if every time you inputed a location into google/apple maps, it said, for a 5 minute delay to pickup and drop someone off you could make X amount of money. A lot more people would do that without wanted to drive a taxi full time.

    7. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wal-Mart already has a bunch of minimum wage employees that probably aren't normally scheduled for 40hours/week because they work multiple jobs

      You're half right. They aren't scheduled for 40 hours/week, that's true, but not because of working other jobs (although that might also be the case); they don't get those hours because then Wal-Mart would have to pay insurance, so it is better to have two people at 20 hours than one at 40.

      I used to work at Wal-Mart, and there were always people in the break room complaining about not getting enough hours, meanwhile they were still hiring. I was just a part timer anyway, so I didn't care, and honestly my time there wasn't bad at all (certainty not compared to some of the things I've heard) but still, any interaction Wal-Mart has with their employees should be viewed with suspicion. Always remember, they're expendable cogs, not people, to the higher ups.

    8. Re:Or... by lucm · · Score: 1

      Their approach is better, for the following reasons:

      1) it provides an extra income to employees with no major additional labor (i.e. win-win)
      2) it keeps the costs low, which is a must when the business model is rock-bottom prices
      3) a minimum wage delivery driver is unlikly to afford a reliable car so Walmart would have to acquire a fleet of vehicles or a fleet of drivers to mitigate the risk
      4) having many employees in the delivery pool increases the odds of packages being delivered, as opposed to having a handful of drivers who tend to get sick or need vacations

      Those Walmart people are scrappy and relentless, and this is one more example of that fascinating culture.

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    9. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that's someone in the store that can't be pulled back for stock and zone and we just can't have that

    10. Re:Or... by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      What does Domino's or Pizza Hut do for delivery drivers? Should be an apples to apples comparison. Except for business hours. Plus most WalMarts can deliver groceries and will pay the local sales tax.

      Pizza delivery drivers get tips, a percentage of what is delivered, and free food.

  5. Flexibility by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Curious if the employee has the flexibility to sign up for (or to reject) deliveries after each shift, and how much flexibility they have in time and direction.

    When I am not going home after the shift, I shouldn't have to go out of my to deliver a package to my neighbor.

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    1. Re:Flexibility by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      Seriously? It's fucking Walmart. You could quit and be rehired the next day.

  6. Optional participation; keep context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this is a win for Walmart.

    1. Re:Optional participation; keep context by grahamsz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah I've seen a lot of people dismissing this but I think it's generally a pretty good idea. There are obvious issues with pay and insurance but i suspect many walmart employees will be happy to make their commute home be payable. Walmart will have to suitably figure out insurance because personal injury lawyers will jump at the chance to list them as a defendant when traffic incidents happen, they've got much more incentive to get that right than the local pizza franchise.

      Their real strength in ecommerce should be that they have a massive presence in nearly every locality in the country, yet you can order something off their website and it'll ship with UPS 2-day from the other side of the country (despite sitting on a shelf 3 miles away from me). Their giant store footprint is really their singular advantage over Amazon, of course they should play to it.

    2. Re:Optional participation; keep context by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If Uber drivers aren't covered by their automotive insurance while they're driving for Uber, then nor are these Wal-Mart employees going to be covered while they're driving for Wal-Mart. Any of them who elect to carry a package for Wal-Mart will have no insurance at least between the time when they leave work, and the time when they deliver the last package they're carrying.

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    3. Re:Optional participation; keep context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I also think it would be easier for the employee to live at the Wal-mart. They can sleep in the mattress department, show in the water aisle. Hell, why not just turn it into a company store?

    4. Re:Optional participation; keep context by torkus · · Score: 1

      Any of them who elect to carry a package for Wal-Mart will have no insurance at least between the time when they leave work, and the time when they deliver the last package they're carrying.

      I double checked for a /sarcasm tag but nope.

      Of course w-mart will get an umbrella policy that covers it's drivers while they're on the clock delivering packages. It's stupid to think they wouldn't for many reasons. Just like they will be covered by the various insurances covering on-the-job injuries etc. These people are actively working while making a delivery (even if it's conveniently routed so it's on their way home) so all the normal work protections apply. When you but an insurance policy for (if this takes off) 10s to 100's of thousands of part time drivers/delivery people you get some pretty nice rates.

      TBH the hourly rate will be more than it probably costs for the delivery in some cases, but this isn't about w-mart saving on shipping. It's about them one-upping prime-now which has much more limited availability than w-mart would if they leverage this in most of their stores.

      It will be interesting to see how they handle the hourly pay though. They can't pay less than minimum wage and they also have to reimburse for mileage. I wonder if instead they try to go around that and offer a fixed fee or something.

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    5. Re:Optional participation; keep context by Woldscum · · Score: 1

      I thought about it also. The local Govs will like it. As local sales tax will be collected. Also most WalMarts will have groceries.

    6. Re:Optional participation; keep context by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

      Walmart does this, and they get vilified. some hip Silicon Valley app producing, VC milking shit show does it and they are avant garde.

    7. Re:Optional participation; keep context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I've seen a lot of people dismissing this but I think it's generally a pretty good idea.

      It's a good idea if you are Wallmart, as it lets them save costs by not paying for fuel and wear and tear on the vehicles while disguising that they are actually juts uner-paying for deliveries with a system that their under-educated workers don't realize is costing them more than the bonuses for delivering the packages.

      If implemented ethically (drivers are payed more than the cost of the detour made to deliver the package(s)) it will simply be a slower version of hriring delivery drivers.

    8. Re:Optional participation; keep context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember folks, Rogoshen defended WALMART.

    9. Re:Optional participation; keep context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't mean Wal-Mart can't insure the employee and their car for those specific trips. The route is logged and directed in the app. The employee gets screened, and Wal-Mart should take on the liability for that specific trip with an overarching insurance policy for the employees. This isn't impossible legally and commercially.

    10. Re:Optional participation; keep context by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I double checked for a /sarcasm tag but nope.
      Of course w-mart will get an umbrella policy that covers it's drivers while they're on the clock delivering packages.

      Of course Uber has a policy that covers its drivers while they're transporting a fare. But they wind up without coverage when they're on their way to pick up a fare. At best, Wal-Mart employees will wind up without coverage on their way home from delivering their last package.

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    11. Re:Optional participation; keep context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Walmart is big enough to self-insure for auto related stuff.

    12. Re:Optional participation; keep context by tattood · · Score: 0

      Walmart is big enough to self-insure for auto related stuff.

      This is stupid. Insurance companies make money because customers pay premiums to have insurance, and they usually bring in more money from premiums than they pay out in claims. Since the delivery employees are not paying Walmart for insurance, then Walmart only loses when they pay out claims.

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    13. Re:Optional participation; keep context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Walmart is big enough to self-insure for auto related stuff.

      This is stupid. Insurance companies make money because customers pay premiums to have insurance, and they usually bring in more money from premiums than they pay out in claims. Since the delivery employees are not paying Walmart for insurance, then Walmart only loses when they pay out claims.

      Yes but Wally World is banking that they will pay less in claims than they would in premiums to an insurance company. That is what "self-insured" is all about...

    14. Re:Optional participation; keep context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insurance companies make money because customers pay premiums to have insurance, and they usually bring in more money from premiums than they pay out in claims. Since the delivery employees are not paying Walmart for insurance, then Walmart only loses when they pay out claims.

      Right, but here "self insurance" is an accounting trick. Instead of paying a third party a monthly fee to insure the drivers, Walmart moves a set amount of money every month from one column in their accounting books to one labeled "driver insurance". Then when a driver has an accident, they pull money from that column to pay it. That is, Walmart pays Walmart such that when a Walmart employee has an accident Walmart can pay for it.

      It's just like paying a third party to do the insurance, but they avoid the overhead of actually paying a third party. (Hence the term "self-insurance" one part of the company acts as an insurance agent for another part of the company - even if those "parts" are just the same person wearing a different hat.) Walmart would have enough drivers to average out the fluctuations of the accident claims. (That is, any single month isn't likely to have a statistical variation in the number of accidents to put their "driver insurance" accounting column significantly in the red.) Hence the comment about being big enough.

    15. Re:Optional participation; keep context by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      It's about them one-upping prime-now which has much more limited availability than w-mart would if they leverage this in most of their stores.

      Have to remember that Amazon doesn't do delivery (for the most part), they do warehouses. They leave the delivery up to companies that know what they are doing like UPS, Fedex, OnTrac, etc.

      Not sure why Walmart thinks they are going to compete with the likes of UPS with a bunch on inexperienced, low-paid, tired at the end of their shift drivers. Regardless, how is it going to work? Oh you want this package rush? Maybe, if you happen to live along the route of an employee and that employee happens to be getting off work when you need the package, and if that employee signs up to do the delivery. Package delivery can't be "best effort".

      * yes I realize Amazon has these Prime vans around now but still the vast majority of their packages are delivered via big carriers.

    16. Re:Optional participation; keep context by tquasar · · Score: 1

      Hidden cost: wear and tear on their vehicles. Mtnce. costs are very high in my area with car dealers charging USD $150 per hour and private shops a little less.

    17. Re:Optional participation; keep context by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      I think you're right. Every insurance policy that covers employees traveling from work to home or visa-versa covers a direct route home, therefore they will only be covered from their last delivery to home. There is also the issue of third parties injured and whose insurance is liable.

      I'm certain Walmart will do all they can to offset the costs of this liability onto its employees - it's what they do.

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  7. No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    I ordered six small boxes of granola bars from Walmart a few months ago. Since it got shipped by FedEx, I had the box diverted to a FedEx Store. The store clerk brought out a 24" x 24" x 6" box. Packing paper took up most of the space inside. All six boxes fit inside my backpack. I told the store clerk to recycle the box and packing paper for another customer.

    1. Re:No thanks... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      You ordered six small boxes of granola bars from Walmart and had it shipped via Fedex?

    2. Re:No thanks... by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't eat so much granola bars.

    3. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You ordered six small boxes of granola bars from Walmart and had it shipped via Fedex?

      My purchase qualified for free shipping. Walmart sent via FedEx Post to my PO box. Since it was sent via FedEx, I had it diverted to the FedEx Store.

    4. Re:No thanks... by gnick · · Score: 1

      I ordered six small boxes of granola bars from Walmart a few months ago. Since it got shipped by FedEx, I had the box diverted to a FedEx Store.

      This presents more confusing questions than the size of the delivery box...

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    5. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't eat so much granola bars.

      I eat five granola bars per week. Six boxes is a three-month supply.

    6. Re:No thanks... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      He has a problem staying "regular".

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    7. Re:No thanks... by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Only one layer of excess oversized boxes...pikers.

      I believe it's the Register that keeps a excessive packaging hall of shame. HP shipped a piece of paper with a license key in a typical software box. That was packaged in a more or less typical for Amazon shipping box (big enough for a large book), which was in turn packaged in a large cardboard box, big enough for a medium sized appliance like a microwave.

      The whole thing was overnighted.

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    8. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      This presents more confusing questions than the size of the delivery box...

      In what way?

    9. Re:No thanks... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Look at how much sugar is in a single granola bar. They may taste great but they're barely more healthy than a chocolate-covered candy bar like Mr. Big. Except the Mr. Big tastes a lot better.

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    10. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Look at how much sugar is in a single granola bar.

      The granola bars I eat are healthier than a Mr. Big. Besides, I don't like candy bars.

    11. Re:No thanks... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Like: why did you order granola bars from Walmart and have it shipped to Fedex and THEN complain about the excessive packaging? If you are worried about the environment why not just to the local grocery?

    12. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ordered six small boxes of granola bars from Walmart a few months ago. Since it got shipped by FedEx, I had the box diverted to a FedEx Store.

      Were these special granola bars? Some that are not available in-store? Or do you simply not have a Wal-Mart in your town? Is the FedEx store closer than your home? FedEx offers home delivery now.

    13. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Like: why did you order granola bars from Walmart and have it shipped to Fedex and THEN complain about the excessive packaging?

      I qualified for free shipping. Walmart sent it FedEx (their choice). I wasn't expecting a big box for something that they previously shipped in a smaller box.

      If you are worried about the environment why not just to the local grocery?

      Walmart has better prices. I used to order these from Amazon before I figured out that the third-party store ordered them from Walmart and charged me an extra $0.50 per box.

    14. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Were these special granola bars? Some that are not available in-store? Or do you simply not have a Wal-Mart in your town? Is the FedEx store closer than your home? FedEx offers home delivery now.

      Walmart had better prices on these granola bars. There are no one Walmart stores that are conveniently near me. The FedEx store is located downtown where I get my groceries and haircuts. Any package delivered to my apartment doorstep would walk.

    15. Re:No thanks... by swillden · · Score: 1

      Like: why did you order granola bars from Walmart and have it shipped to Fedex and THEN complain about the excessive packaging?

      Are you being deliberately obtuse? creimer explained this in a post replying to you, 20 minutes before you posted this.

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    16. Re:No thanks... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      So what is the complaint here? That they used excessive material? If you cared, wouldn't you just go to the grocery store and pay a bit extra? Did you think shipping boxes of granola bars to a store to a Fedex store in a truck was environmentally friendly or something?

    17. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      So what is the complaint here?

      Oversized box.

      Did you think shipping boxes of granola bars to a store to a Fedex store in a truck was environmentally friendly or something?

      The granola bars would have gotten shipped by truck no matter what carrier Walmart selected for free shipping.

    18. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ordered six small boxes of granola bars from Walmart a few months ago.

      Livin' that low-carb lifestyle, creimer. Good to see that you're still shoveling pure processed garbage into your face. Don't you dare stop.

    19. Re:No thanks... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      The granola bars would have gotten shipped by truck no matter what carrier Walmart selected for free shipping.

      But the bars would've been shipped in a much more efficient and environmentally friendly way if you'd bought them at a store. That was the poster's point.

    20. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's pooping all over this chat board every day of the week.

    21. Re:No thanks... by raftpeople · · Score: 1

      Why do you care? It didn't impact you, and yet you say "no thanks" to using their service over a non-issue?

    22. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      But the bars would've been shipped in a much more efficient and environmentally friendly way if you'd bought them at a store.

      For twice the price than ordering direct from Walmart.

    23. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I eat five granola bars per week. Six boxes is a three-month supply.

      Plus a power bar or a clif bar. Plus a fiber one bar. Don't forget those.

      And yet you still claim you're only eating 1500 calories a day, when those 3 things easily total up to about half of your claimed daily calorie intake.

      Eat some eggs instead. Cheaper, healthier, and far lower calorie (plus, far more "low carb" than all this processed sugar garbage.)

      Fuck, have 2 snickers bars instead of your daily allotment of 3 power/fiber/granola bars, and you'll come out ahead in taste & nutrition.

    24. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      It didn't impact you, and yet you say "no thanks" to using their service over a non-issue?

      I take public transit. What I ordered fit inside my backpack. I'm not going to carry an oversized box on the train, especially when that box was nothing but packing paper.

    25. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, eat Granola bars and wear pants that are drastically the wrong size and give you the world's worst muffin top - any other advice on how I can look like a former professional football player?

    26. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      [...] wear pants that are drastically the wrong size [...]

      What's wrong with the shorts?

    27. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're about four sizes too small.

    28. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      They're about four sizes too small.

      Sorry to pop your delusions, but my waist is narrower than my shoulders. No, I'm not wearing a weight belt.

    29. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Plus a power bar or a clif bar. Plus a fiber one bar. Don't forget those.

      I only eat ten granola bars per week. This month Fiber One and Power Bar. Next month it will be Fiber One and Cliff Bar.

      Eat some eggs instead.

      I have a two-egg and tofu omelet each week.

      Fuck, have 2 snickers bars instead of your daily allotment of 3 power/fiber/granola bars, and you'll come out ahead in taste & nutrition.

      If you ever looked at the labels, the only thing healthy about the candy bar diet is lower salt intake and everything else is bad.

    30. Re:No thanks... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Maybe, maybe not. Check the amount of sugar.

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    31. Re:No thanks... by bongey · · Score: 1

      Yep HP did that to me. 24 license keys of vsphere. Co-workers had the shipper fill my entire cube so I couldn't get to my desk.

    32. Re:No thanks... by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      looking at that picture, delusions aren't the only things about to pop. those biceps, /swoon.

    33. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Maybe, maybe not. Check the amount of sugar.

      I've already checked the labels.

    34. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      looking at that picture, delusions aren't the only things about to pop. those biceps, /swoon.

      It's one of the reasons why I don't post naked pictures of myself. Fat porn is hugely popular on Slashdot.

    35. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Co-workers had the shipper fill my entire cube so I couldn't get to my desk.

      At one job I worked at, management taped up the opening to a supervisor's cube and filled it up with packing popcorn (~384 cubic feet). The HR woman gave the supervisor a bag of microwaved popcorn and wished him a happy birthday when he came in the next morning. He spilled his popcorn when he saw his cube. Took him four days to dig it out.

    36. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your fat sticks out 90 degrees sideways above and below the waist. That's because the elastic is far too small. If you do a Google Image Search on "Belt too tight" you can see just about the same thing.

    37. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Your fat sticks out 90 degrees sideways above and below the waist. That's because the elastic is far too small.

      For something "far too small," it's a comfortable fit. I prefer not to have my shorts drop when I'm working out.

    38. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only eat ten granola bars per week. This month Fiber One and Power Bar. Next month it will be Fiber One and Cliff Bar.

      Above, you claimed "only 5 granola bars per week." So, you eat 5 Fiber One, 5 Power bars, and 5 "granola bars" per week?

      I have a two-egg and tofu omelet each week.

      You'd be better served eating that every morning, rather than your garbage granola/power/clif/shit bar habit.

      If you ever looked at the labels, the only thing healthy about the candy bar diet is lower salt intake and everything else is bad.

      I have looked at the labels - any of those bars are substantially the same as a snicker's bar, nutritionally. Patting yourself on the back for eating such garbage is more or less patting yourself on the back for eating a couple candy bars each day.

    39. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Above, you claimed "only 5 granola bars per week." So, you eat 5 Fiber One, 5 Power bars, and 5 "granola bars" per week?

      I use "granola bars" as a catchall category for Fiber One, Cliff Bar and Power Bars. I only eat ten bars each week.

      You'd be better served eating that every morning, [...]

      Two eggs a week is enough for me.

      I have looked at the labels - any of those bars are substantially the same as a snicker's bar, nutritionally.

      Then you need reading glasses.

    40. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only eat ten bars each week.

      You claimed 5 bars a week upthread. Are you a liar?

      Two eggs a week is enough for me

      "Two eggs is enough for me, I'll eat 10 pieces of processed garbage that's less nutritionally healthy instead! That'll totally guarantee that I lose weight and don't die young."

      Then you need reading glasses.

      Let's compare, shall we?

      PowerBar - Chocolate Crisp
      Calories: 290
      Total Fat: 6g
      Saturated Fat: 4g
      Cholesterol: 0g
      Sodium: 190mg
      Total Carbs: 37g
      Dietary Fiber: 12g
      Sugars: 18g
      Protein: 23g

      Snickers:
      Calories: 250
      Total Fat: 12g
      Saturated Fat: 5g
      Cholesterol: 5mg
      Sodium: 120mg
      Total Carbs: 33g
      Dietary Fiber: 1g
      Sugars: 27g
      Protein: 4g

      Snickers wins on total carbs, calories, and sodium. The difference in nutrition is VERY small - moderately higher fat, lower protein, moderately higher sugar content.

      Let's compare with 2 large eggs:
      Calories: 143
      Total Fat: 10g
      Saturated Fat: 3g
      Polyunsaturated Fat: 2g
      Monounsaturated Fat: 4g
      Cholesterol: 372mg
      Sodium: 142mg
      Potassium: 138mg
      Total carbs: 1g
      Protein: 13g

      Far lower calories. Higher fat, but also significantly higher *HEALTHY* poly- and mono-unsaturated fats. Higher cholesterol, but current medical thinking says that dietary intake has very little effect on your natural levels. Sodium lower than Powerbars. Potassium better. Total carbs: virtually nonexistent. Protein: Moderately less than a powerbar, but significantly more healthy for someone who claims to be on a low-carb diet. Want to add fiber? Throw in some spinach and other fresh vegetables. Want to add more protein? Have another egg. You'll still be far lower calories, far lower carbs, and far cheaper.

      But I know, I know - you don't want to actually THINK about what you're eating - you've convinced yourself you're happy being fat.

    41. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      But I know, I know - you don't want to actually THINK about what you're eating - you've convinced yourself you're happy being fat.

      I know exactly what I'm eating. You don't. If I told you the rest of my diet, you still will scream shit. I've had these arguments with the fitness nuts at work all the time. They're not interested in helping me get healthy. They just want to be self-righteous assholes.

    42. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You claimed 5 bars a week upthread. Are you a liar?

      This is in reference to the shipment I got, which was Fiber One bars. I eat five of those each week. I also eat five of a different kind, either Cliff or Power, each week. That's a total of ten bars per week.

    43. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Snickers wins on total carbs, calories, and sodium. The difference in nutrition is VERY small - moderately higher fat, lower protein, moderately higher sugar content.

      If you're the same asshat whom I had this argument about the Snickers Diet, your contention was TWO Snickers versus ONE Power Ball (or Cliff Bar). Having two Snickers is worse than a Fiber One and Power Bar together.

    44. Re:No thanks... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      And now we know what's more important to you. Complaining about the environmental waste of it all doesn't sound that convincing when you don't care either.

    45. Re: No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check again. Walmart likes to change recipes to mix things up. Switching oats to high-fructose corn syrup helps bump up their diabetic supplies revenue.

    46. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't eat the worst possible garbage, so the garbage I eat is healthfood. You've been on a diet/workout for 5 years. You have a tire of fat around your neck and are 350lb with the muscle of a tiny soccer player. What is it you are not understanding about the result of your diet here Heavy Sherlock? A diet that works makes you not fat after 5 fucking years. Your neck is a larger diameter than your head. https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/c/c1/Skorr2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081216210245

    47. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know exactly what I'm eating. You don't.

      You're right - I don't know *exactly* what you're eating. But I don't need to know *exactly* what you're eating to tell you that your diet is neither low-carb (as you've claimed in the past), nor is it effective (as evidenced by the fact that on what you claim is only 1500 calories per day, with regular exercise, you're unable to lose weight), based solely on the evidence you yourself have offered.

      They're not interested in helping me get healthy.

      On the contrary - I'd be pleased as punch to see you drop the weight and get healthy. You see, creimer, I bear you no ill will. I simply believe you to be delusional, and headed for a painful coronary event, soon, and given what you've shared about your diet, I can see easy ways for you to eat a more effective and healthy diet. I've been 300+ pounds, and I managed to lose the weight - I now hover between 180 and 190, depending on the day, my exercise for the week, and what I've eaten. I know that losing weight is difficult, and I made a ton of mistakes on my way to a healthy weight. I'm telling you these things NOT to bust your balls, but to point out that your claims simply do not add up in the physical universe we live in.

      I studied physiology. I studied nutrition. There is simply no way a man of your size, age, and weight could fail to lose weight on a 1500-calorie-a-day diet. So I'm giving you suggestions on how you can eat healthy and cut your calorie count in a way that you probably wouldn't even NOTICE the difference. But of course, you don't want to hear it, because you've convinced yourself you're completely fine, and that all that visceral fat you're carrying around is muscle. So instead, you'll just call me an asshat, rather than turn that critical eye on yourself, and consider the fact that 5 years of 1500 calories a day with NO weight loss means your current diet - *whatever it is* - is completely ineffective.

    48. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Your neck is a larger diameter than your head.

      You're confusing my jowls with my neck. There's no fat on the back of my neck.

    49. Re: No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, honestly, I pictured creimer as an underweight grandpa type until I saw this thread.

    50. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes fattard - the back people's necks is about flush with the back of the head. on the front of the neck the chin sticks out from the neck. you have a is a feedbag filled with fat there and your chin is like a belly button. what is it you're not understanding there football player? never seen a normal person? how's that diet working out for ya? eat any candy or bowls of fat today?

    51. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You should see the picture this lying sack of shit had under the exact same file name last week... Go ahead, do a GIS on the file name

      https://www.google.ca/search?q...:

      See what a disingenuous lying sack of shit he is?

    52. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, your shoulders are just about the same width as your waist. You have what's called a barrel chest, a really big one. It's not a sign of good health. Sorry.

    53. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      you claim is only 1500 calories per day, with regular exercise, you're unable to lose weight

      I've been losing weight. The problem is that the scales at the gym max out at 350 pounds. I recently got a digital scale for home. I'm 350 pounds, +/- five pounds.

    54. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your contention was TWO Snickers versus ONE Power Ball (or Cliff Bar).

      No, my argument was that Two snickers would be better for you than 2 power bars or 2 clif bars. You shared that you ordered a 3-month supply of Power Bars, Clif Bars, and Fiber One bars, and ate two of them a day.

      You then claimed that this was a "low carb" diet.

      I then pointed out that "two snickers bars" would be lower carb & lower calorie than two power bars or two clif bars. You then clarified that you eat a Power OR Clif bar + a Fiber One bar, and that since Fiber One bars are "slightly" less shitty for you than a Snickers (while ignoring the fact that they are objectively BETTER than Power and Clif bars), your Power Bar & Fiber One bar were totally completely healthy.

      Source: https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...

      So, let's rank the possible combos, from lowest-calorie to highest:

      Fiber One + Fiber One
      Fiber One + Snickers
      Fiber One + Clif Bar
      Fiber One + Power Bar
      Snickers + Snickers
      Power Bar + Snickers
      Clif Bar + Snickers
      Clif Bar + Clif Bar
      Power Bar + Power Bar
      Power Bar + Clif Bar

      The only way your daily intake is healthier is if you ALWAYS eat at least on Fiber Bar. And you would *still* be better off replacing the Power Bar or Clif Bar with a Snickers.

    55. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is amazing. I really honestly cannot figure out if you are a troll or just really really insane. I've read your drivel of over a week now since you seem to have posting on slashdot as your job.

      You are clearly Immensely fat and are clearly unable to lose it, yet you actually give diet advice to people and think you have a football player body. Football players run a mile in under 6 minutes and have muscle. You are a poofy ball of softness. From your picture, your body ran out of places to deposit your fat so it's even storing it in your neck and Fingers. You've been unable to lose it no matter what you do - clearly what you do is wrong.

      You make literally less than the interns on slashdot and have the lowest skilled and paid IT job imaginable. And that's after 20 years of experience. Which doesn't all count by the way - video game testing is not IT. You live like poor people do, and you're giving stock advice and suggesting investment books to people who make 4x your salary and buy up fucking apartment buildings.

      You signed up for a "site for nerds" and keep telling everyone on here how you couldn't make it through college and were in special-ed classes. Do you not realize this is a site for above average people, and you are literally by definition below average as far as science/math/computer majors are concerned?

      What is wrong with you? You're either a troll or you have an actual brain disease of some sort to make your brain work like it does. I don't think you are a troll because you have generated an enormous amount of content by putting together some random crap in your thoughts and calling it "books" and then you comment on your website about the comments on this site. That is definitely a mental disorder of some kind. Have you been to a psychiatrist ever? Or do you not go because you think you actually know more than they do about their profession? Your logic is ridiculous to the point where you're a cartoon clown - do you really live like this?

      I'm not trying to be hurtful by the way. I am just really, really astonished by things you write.

    56. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should start working out at the zoo?

    57. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Complaining about the environmental waste of it all doesn't sound that convincing when you don't care either.

      I don't know why people keep bringing up the environment. If you're going to ship something, it should be in the appropriately sized box. This past weekend I had to ship a small box via the postal service. I needed a tracking number and $100 insurance. The initial tally was $40. I had to ship a small box inside a much larger medium Priority Mail box to get the price down $16.

    58. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should start working out at the zoo?

      That's where Slashdot comes into play.

    59. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we aren't. They're both joined in the same tumorous mass of tissue. You must have sleep apnea, your snoring must wake up WWII veterans thinking there's Jerry firing a MG42.

    60. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ". I'm not going to carry an oversized box on the train"

      Why not? You're already subjecting everyone else to an oversize human every day!

    61. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought you weren't fat? You're full of shit, I'll give you that!

    62. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I've read your drivel of over a week now since you seem to have posting on slashdot as your job.

      There are two of us now: "creimer" is my account and "criemer" is the unofficial parody account that someone else set up. Enjoy!

    63. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? So we can tell you to buy two scales, one for each leg?

    64. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He doesn't fit through the turnstiles even at Walmart! He just got tired of having to wait for the manager to use the key to pull out the handicap access turnstile in the middle.

    65. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alright - I've read his posting history. He simply repeats the same things you say. Does it sound like a ridiculous parody to you when someone else repeats things you say? Maybe we're making some progress here. To my eyes, that account and what you post are both at clown level or clinically diagnosed serious brain disorder level.

      I note how, it seems as usual, you completely ignore all the actual points made by me and pretend they don't exist. This is what makes me think you are a troll, but I don't see a troll spending so much time on all the other ridiculous stuff you do like the blog and the "books"

    66. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Does it sound like a ridiculous parody to you when someone else repeats things you say?

      The parody account is not actually repeating me word for word. Some of my positions are being exaggerated to a great degree. For example, JTAG. I know what JTAG is but I don't get many opportunity to discuss electronics because the hardware hackers are long gone on Slashdot.

      I note how, it seems as usual, you completely ignore all the actual points made by me and pretend they don't exist.

      I'm not obligated to do a point-by-point rebuttal. If I respond to some points but not others, it doesn't mean that I agree with the other points.

    67. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two of you? I think 900 pounds of shit is the limit around here? Have you ever had elevator cables snap on you?

    68. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you have responded to no points. You instead provided useless tangent information as always, because you couldn't possibly respond. What the fuck are you going to say "Eating a bowl of fat for lunch and slow walking it off works because after 5 years I'm not a lipid-filled balloon animal?"

    69. Re:No thanks... by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      I've been losing weight. The problem is that the scales at the gym max out at 350 pounds. I recently got a digital scale for home. I'm 350 pounds, +/- five pounds.

      Beer dude, it's beers :) - Half joking there dude, mates I trained with at your weight told me that beer was the biggest contributor to their weight gain.

      What workouts do you enjoy? Often I've seen big guys like you rip into weights and get really strong. They never really get ripped, but it doesn't matter, bone mineral analysis of spartan warriors found that they carried a layer of fat on them and were completely healthy.

      The main issue is processed foods, that stuff messes you up. It's understandable why people eat it, convenience wise, however if fools the body into thinking it's getting the nutrition it needs. This IMO is where the cycle begins and the challenge is not loosing weight, but breaking the processed food cycle.

      Bottom line here is I notice that people get caught in the trap of consciously trying to alter their behavior without any attempt at programming the sub-conscious vehicle that will get them their desired outcome. Fuck the scales, find a mate you like to hang out with and do weights, then go eat all of the non-processed foods you enjoy and skip the guilt that comes with the shitty fragile transitory diet culture.

      Get out of your mind and be in your body, it will tell you better than I or anyone else can what you need and is completely honest with you, which is what scares people off into diet culture and turns them into neurotic wrecks. Those who embrace their bodies message train and eat for life, and get everything they want as a result.

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    70. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never ordered anything small in your life, you liar!

    71. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      See what a disingenuous lying sack of shit he is?

      The pictures are one year apart. When some reposted the link, I replaced the old picture with the new picture from last month.

    72. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      What workouts do you enjoy?

      I'm trying to master the rowing machine. It's kicking my ass and it doesn't help that my stomach gets in the way. I also do the cable row with 150 pounds.

      Often I've seen big guys like you rip into weights and get really strong.

      Getting big is easy. I want to tone down.

    73. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Getting big is easy. "

      If that were true, there would be no market for steroids and HGH and what not. You mean it's easy to get FAT, you digital Moby Dick.

    74. Re:No thanks... by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      I'm trying to master the rowing machine. It's kicking my ass and it doesn't help that my stomach gets in the way. I also do the cable row with 150 pounds.

      Rows are a great exercise, however I think you'll find that when you put on muscle by using iron your body will start to gobble up the fat stores. If it's cool to suggest, try doing deadlifts, squats, chest an back exercise. Legs will up the testosterone and put you body into build mode, then build your chest. This will make the rows more effective.

      My colleague is/was the same size as you and he has been doing the alternating workout style I preach and has trimmed down significantly in the last 6 months. I keep giving him compliments because I want him to win.

      Getting big is easy. I want to tone down.

      If you mean building muscle is easy for you, you're probably have an endomorphic body type. the body holds onto and metabolizes fat efficiently. However it also builds muscle easily too and big guys pretty much have to work out like animals. People are sometimes uncomfortable finding out just how much physical power they have, however I think when you meet that animal and embrace the sensation, you're gonna fucking love it.

      A morning workout will raise your metabolic rate for the day however if you do a hard workout between 6-8pm you can suppress you evening appetite and not feel hungry by drinking egg smoothies or just a glass of milk. By which time you will be so tired nothing will stop you sleeping. Timebox eating, ie eat all meals inside 12 hour window will build and inside a 9 hour window will build and burn.

      Realistically once you get the hang of it it will take about a year, just pace yourself so you don't get injured.

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    75. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh that was a picture of your FACE! So sorry!

    76. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you weren't a disingenuous piece of shit, you'd give the files different names!

    77. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      And if you weren't a disingenuous piece of shit, you'd give the files different names!

      Why? I can do whatever I want with my website.

    78. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly. You *chose* to do it that way, which says a lot about you.

    79. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      [...] a bowl of fatty cottage cheese [...]

      I had one cup of cottage cheese out of the entire month of May, you have my entire diet figured out. The funny thing is that was my first cup of cottage for the year to date. And then you wonder why I don't read the rest of your comments.

    80. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You posted that bowl claiming it was a modest lunch that was a part of your diet. In a diet, a bowl of fat would be an infrequent detrimental indulgence, which is what you're pretending you said. Go ahead and re-read that original comment thread. Your brain is great at changing reality for you to have you die a fat loser, but the cottage cheese incident is fortunately for you recorded on slashdot.

    81. Re:No thanks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      [...] the cottage cheese incident is fortunately for you recorded on slashdot.

      I put it on Twitter first.

      https://twitter.com/cdreimer/status/864187588340367360/

      Let's not forget this morning's tweet. Instead of hefting a 5,000-calorie tub of butter, I did 150 on the cable row.

      https://twitter.com/cdreimer/status/871058214455881728/

    82. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We do have your entire diet figured out. And your workout. You're doing it wrong, because after a ridiculous length of time you are still a huge tub of fat. A diet and workout routine that works would not have you looking like you do after 5 years - it would have you looking like a normal person after half that time.

      It's very simple. I do see how you don't understand that just like you don't understand anything but the very basics of computer technology. It has to do with you not being a smart person who invited himself to a site for nerds.

    83. Re:No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This morning isovercast in Versailles. I don't know what tweeting is, but the birds did wake me up this morning. I assume you speak of twitter, hence it would be twitting - something twits like yourself do.

      See, I can hit the "reply" button and not actually reply but just post random unrelated shit instead. Muscle is heavier than fat. That tire around your neck is not muscle, and it looks the same through your "weight loss." In 5 years you have not gotten skinny, but have stayed a disgusting level of lardass. I know you keep ignoring all points made that you can't logically reply to. That's alright - we enjoy shitting on you and you just taking it over and over like a cuck. And no, no one believes people shitting on you on slashdot is making you a funnel of money - that's in your mind, just like your diet working.

      Guess what retard - if your fat like that, rowing is not what you do to get not fat. You keep rowing though. It does upset the children so when the clown changes careers, and you're too old of a fat fuck to change anything at this point before death.

      Good morning from France by the way. I'm sure you'll say this is a drunk "asshat" posting late at night though - one of that team of 6 that's after you. They gonna get you creamer. Watchat na - they gunna getcha.

  8. Employee puts app on their 'phone ... by Alain+Williams · · Score: 4, Interesting

    other than their route home, what else will that app monitor about the employee. "Mr Smith we notice that you did not leave the bar until 23.30 last night ... please report to room 101 for an alcohol test"

    1. Re:Employee puts app on their 'phone ... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Given the general helpfulness of Walmart employees would you consider a 0.0% bac a pass or a fail?

  9. No liability problems here... by MangoCats · · Score: 1

    Just ask Dominoes - you can put a company uniform on any 17 year old kid and have them deliver from store to home in "30 minutes or less," all profit, no headaches.

    1. Re:No liability problems here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pizzas and Chinese food take little space. Groceries for one small family, on the other hand, may take up the whole space in the trunk of a compact car. They're going to need fedex-sized trucks to deliver to multiple customers.

      What's the point of grocery home delivery anyway? Grocery chains are either near a person's house or their place of work. Is it so hard to spend 10-20 minutes to drive your own groceries home? Why waste $10-20/week for shipping?

    2. Re:No liability problems here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a huge fan of amazon fresh.

      It makes maintaining a list much easier for me, and saves about 30 minutes a week (10-20 shopping, 10 in line, and 10 out of my way (5 each direction))

    3. Re:No liability problems here... by Woldscum · · Score: 1

      Old people. Disabled people. People without working cars that have no public transportation. A woman with small kids and no babysitting. Shipping is cheaper than auto insurance not to mention the vehicle cost or a babysitter.

    4. Re:No liability problems here... by torkus · · Score: 1

      Maybe for you grocery delivery is pointless.

      For those living in cities and/or without cars, lugging 10+ bags of groceries isn't especially convenient. Or those who can't carry them at all. Or those who work odd hours. Or those who have no interest in wandering a grocery store but can click through a website during lunch/work/commute/etc.

      There's PLENTY of reasons for grocery delivery beyond just pure laziness...oh, and that's still a valid reason too.

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    5. Re:No liability problems here... by swillden · · Score: 1

      Grocery chains are either near a person's house or their place of work.

      I live quite a ways from a grocery store, and work from home. Home-delivery groceries for a reasonable price would be awesome. Actually, I should say it is awesome. I use Amazon for many non-perishable grocery items.

      Also, Wal-mart carries a lot more than groceries, including lots of stuff that is often purchased from Amazon.

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    6. Re:No liability problems here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      10+ bags of groceries

      How much do you eat?! Holy shit!

  10. Using your person vehicle for commercial purposes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how the companies providing vehicle insurance view this development? A chance to bump up premiums at the very least.

  11. Re:Using your person vehicle for commercial purpos by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    And a chance for the employees to deduct some part of their vehicle-related costs on their tax report?

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  12. How is Amazon any different? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I guess you've not ordered from Amazon very much, because they have the exact same issue - small items in absurdly large boxes.

    In fact, YOU at least got padding as I've also had items loose in a large box that arrived kind of messed up.

    The last straw for me was a one-day order I placed for something I needed for a trip. It arrived two days late, long after I had gone... I am pretty much done ordering from Amazon and going to order directly now from most vendors like NewEgg or BHPhoto. At least they take urgent shipping requests seriously.

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    1. Re:How is Amazon any different? by torkus · · Score: 1

      Anecdotal evidence on both sides...but I've had prime for years and order at least a couple things a month.

      It's very rare that something shows up late.

      The only exception is the stupid USPS Smartpost thing they used for a while. A package would be 'delivered' per tracking but what they really meant was delivered to the local post office. It almost always was at my door a day later, 2 at most. But that's 1-2 days over their guaranteed 2-day delivery. Luckily they don't seem to be using that anymore (or at least for me).

      So with the one exception which doesn't happen anymore. I get my amazon stuff in 2 days, sometimes 1, occasionally ~2 hours.

      What still confuses me is how some things are prime via some sellers and not via others. It's the same product, in the same (intermixed inventory) bins.

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    2. Re:How is Amazon any different? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I guess you've not ordered from Amazon very much, because they have the exact same issue - small items in absurdly large boxes.

      My problem with Amazon is that they send six items in six boxes. Never mind that I selected the "group everything together" checkbox on the order form.

  13. Great Googly Moogly by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is this an April Fools Joke? There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin? What about insurance? What if they hit somebody? What about mileage? There's no way Walmart will pay enough to account for that.

    And what happens if they don't get enough "volunteers"? After all, the Walmart employees with Cars are the better off ones. I'm guessing pressure, hours cut, etc, etc.

    Dear lord the working class is pooched. I mean, if it's come to this what next? I don't even have the words... We're no longer racing to the bottom, we've drilled through, struck oil and it's leaking into our ground water.

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    1. Re:Great Googly Moogly by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Flaws aplenty, but also an opportunity for some extra cash and a "free" trip home, which is inherently more efficient for a small number of deliveries per person.

      In the flyover states, I can imagine many walmart employees are driving over 20 miles to get to work based on past experience.

    2. Re:Great Googly Moogly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know how insurance works? A company with billions in assets doesn't need to be insured against a million dollar loss.

    3. Re:Great Googly Moogly by swillden · · Score: 1

      What about insurance?

      How do Domino's, UPS, FedEx, etc. deal with it? I suspect the company buys coverage. Note that UPS and FedEx employees occasionally do deliveries in their own vehicles, and AFAIK all Domino's employees do. This has been figured out a long time ago.

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    4. Re:Great Googly Moogly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know from personal experience working there that Pizza Hut and Papa John's do not have insurance. They tell their employeese to use their own insurance, all while knowing that insurance companies specifically exclude commercial activities from coverage on personal insurance policies. They expect you to turn a blind eye to it.

    5. Re:Great Googly Moogly by swillden · · Score: 1

      Do the insurance companies just not notice? I guess a lot of the time employees may report accidents without mentioning they were working.

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  14. How will that work for the poorest stores? by damn_registrars · · Score: 0

    There are some WalMarts in larger cities where the majority of employees go to work by mass transit. Do they really expect to get them to carry customers' packages home on the bus or train? And when you're commuting by mass transit, another additional mile or so in each direction can quickly make your commute a lot longer in time.

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    1. Re:How will that work for the poorest stores? by hackel · · Score: 1

      Simply, no. They aren't idiots. This is clearly designed for the suburbs. The same can be said of rural locations where people might live 50 km from their nearest store. It's not as if they're trying to convert *all* deliveries to this service, merely supplement their existing system, which seems like an inventive idea. And it's only a trial, which is good. We'll see how it does.

    2. Re:How will that work for the poorest stores? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      There are some WalMarts in larger cities where the majority of employees go to work by mass transit. Do they really expect to get them to carry customers' packages home on the bus or train? And when you're commuting by mass transit, another additional mile or so in each direction can quickly make your commute a lot longer in time.

      "To take part, the employees will have to pass a background and vehicle check."

      Derp. The program will not be offered at stores that can't properly staff it.

    3. Re:How will that work for the poorest stores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but that is also where dedicated delivery drivers would also be most cost effective.

      I see the Walmart plan working well in smaller cities and towns. Where everyone drives, but everyone has poor delivery service.

  15. Background check? by hackel · · Score: 1

    So wait, does this mean they don't have to pass a background check to work at the store in the first place? And what constitutes "passing?"

    1. Re:Background check? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      probably no DUI's, carrying car insurance, and having a valid license.

      compared to simply having a pulse for the regular employment screening.

  16. All for FREE (no pay for WalMart Employees) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a *cough-Voluntary-cough* "service" that grants NO REIMBURSEMENT to the Walmart employee of any kind either hourly or mileage, yet makes them legally responsible for any theft or damage to product.
    At the same time it specifically states that any traffic accidents or INJURIES in the course of said "delivery" are the employee's responsibility and Walmart assumes NO LIABILITY (or disability compensation liability) for said "deliveries".
    This is SO ripe for abuse by highly pressured low-mid-level Walmart management it ain't even funny.
    What happens if the employee REFUSES to be their unpaid pack-mule?
    What happens when the first on it killed making a delivery?
    As Marvin the Robot said: "This will all end in tears..........."

  17. overtime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me guess to make sure they do not also earn any overtime, Walmart will make sure to schedule each employee at least 2 hours less each shift.

  18. This should work out well... by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given Walmart's legendary addiction to corporate welfare, you can bet this program won't be genuinely voluntary for long. Ways will be found to "encourage" employees to participate that have nothing to do with the few bucks they'll throw at them for using their personal vehicle for commercial purposes.

    And given what I've seen of Walmart employees who are virtually out on their feet by the end of a shift, it would probably be safer to hold a "Drunk Drivers 6000" through residential neighbourhoods than to have them looking for some random house after working a 12-hour split shift broken up over 18 hours.

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    1. Re:This should work out well... by labnet · · Score: 1

      I'm interested as why your governments don't intervene for workers rights more in the USA. Things like your absurdly low minimum wage and the ability to fire people at will. It is such an uneven one sided relationship and seems immensely unfair, especially in walmarts case where the family are Billionaires.

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    2. Re:This should work out well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because people* care more about guns, religion, border walls, tax cuts for the rich, etc, than worker rights.

      * who bother to vote

    3. Re:This should work out well... by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "I'm interested as why your governments don't intervene for workers rights more in the USA."

      One of the principals in labor law in the USA is that worker conditions are better left to unions and management to negotiate a locally preferable standard rather than have a one-size-fits-all solution imposed from the top down. Of course, the same people that promote that then turn around and undermine unionization.

    4. Re:This should work out well... by keith_nt4 · · Score: 1

      I take it you've never seen this video. I don't think it's so much guns, religion, border walls, tax cuts for the rich, etc as you put it as just not wanting to lose a good paying job. I'll let you get back to your Rachel Maddow.

      That clip with the coal miner might have a big influence on the election by the way. Never hear it mentioned in the media in that context for some reason. Just my personal theory.

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  19. Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now they can all burn up their cars while making 9-11/hr

    uncanny captcha: rewards

  20. I wouldn't want Walmart employees to know where I by festernd · · Score: 1

    I think the part that would concern me most would be Walmart employees coming to where I live -- where I lived in my twenties, I'd fear for their safety. Now, I'd expect them to be scoping out my place for reverse shopping trip

  21. Sure they do by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    it's just that if you turn it down you'll find your hours cut to 10 a month.

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  22. Sick Days? by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    Is this before or after it punishes them for taking sick days (just 2 articles above on /.). It must be beat up wally world day.

  23. This is after their shifts by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    at least that's what the article says. If Walmart wanted delivery drivers they've got 'em already. They're planning on doing an Uber style gig economy thing where you punch out at Walmart and then you're no longer a Walmart employee, you're an independent contractor. That's the only way this kind of thing can work and be any different than hiring a run of the mill delivery driver. And that way all of the risk gets pushed onto the employee, who's probably desperate enough to take that risk...

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    1. Re:This is after their shifts by swillden · · Score: 1

      I don't see anything in the article to indicate that Walmart is going to try to argue that they aren't employees. And I think that would be basically impossible to get past employment regulators. Uber has something of an argument given the flexible work schedules, etc, but these *are* employees, no question about it.

      That's the only way this kind of thing can work and be any different than hiring a run of the mill delivery driver.

      Nonsense, unless you think you can hire a bunch of drivers to do just one run per day, and pay them only for the deviation between their delivery route and their normal drive home.

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    2. Re:This is after their shifts by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I see a whole lot of FUD up here - slamming this idea as horrible for American workers, etc. etc. Betting it would be a completely different response if the employer offering it was someone more liked than Wal-Mart.

      A LONG time ago, I worked for a small computer store .... probably only a few years after I had my drivers' license and a car. I used to beg the owner to let me do runs occasionally, dropping off computers for his larger business clients. It was a nice change of pace instead of getting stuck in the back room working on PC repairs and builds all day long. I never thought of it as being "desperate enough to take the risk". I mean, sure -- if I got in an accident, my employer wouldn't have covered any of it. (He couldn't afford to, even if the law demanded it. I don't think either of us ever considered that was even a possibility.) But every time you drive, you run that same risk of something happening. It's called an "acceptable risk" and it's why people often go out for drives just for pleasure/fun, without so much as a destination in mind.

      If you have the chance to make a few bucks doing a quick detour off the route you take every night anyway, going home from work -- that's a win-win for everybody, the way I see it?

  24. Let them eat cake by lucm · · Score: 1

    I'm glad for you if you have the luxury of choosing a more lucrative career, but for many people Walmart is the only option. That doesn't mean they are imbeciles.

    And while the pay is low (which is part of the business model), there are things at Walmart that are better than other employers at a same pay scale. For instance, Walmart employees are less exposed to violent crime than employees of fast food chains or gas stations, and for anyone with real ambition and skills there's an actual path to better positions unlike exciting careers in sanitation or convenience store customer service. A vast majority of Walmart middle management comes from the ranks.

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  25. Newer cars are a lot safer by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    so there's fewer injuries, which is where most of the cost is. After that then if all else fails the poor sod spends the rest of their life paying $100+/mo to the law firm that sues them on behalf of the guy they hit. Sucks for everyone involved except maybe the Lawyer (and Walmart of course).

    Still it's a time bomb waiting to go off. There's limits to those car's safety and sooner or later somebody is gonna get really hurt.

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    1. Re:Newer cars are a lot safer by swillden · · Score: 1

      So why is this not an issue with other delivery drivers? There are a lot of them.

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  26. Idiotic Uber drivers and now this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, no Uber driver, who require no pro license, and no special cars and no screening whatsoever has ever had complaints of ANY type of misconduct EVER... Just like this. It's just some tired, stressed dudes playing with the last ounce of patience available.

    What could possibly go wrong?