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Putin Now Argues Russia Could've Been Framed For Election Meddling By The CIA (nbcnews.com)
In a news magazine show premiering tonight, Megyn Kelly reports that Russian president Vladimir Putin "has denied Russian involvement in the hacking and interference with our U.S. presidential eletion for some time. That changed earlier this week, and the story appears to be evolving yet again." An anonymous reader shared two articles from NBC:
"Hackers can be anywhere. They can be in Russia, in Asia...even in America, Latin America," he said. "They can even be hackers, by the way, in the United States who very skillfully and professionally shifted the blame, as we say, onto Russia. Can you imagine something like that? In the midst of a political battle...?" The journalist asked the Russian president about what American intelligence agencies say is evidence that he became personally involved in a covert campaign to harm Hillary Clinton and benefit Donald Trump. "IP addresses can be invented -- a child can do that! Your underage daughter could do that. That is not proof," Putin replied...
Kelly told viewers that Putin -- the former director of Russia's domestic spy agency -- also suggested that the CIA could have been behind the hacking and noted that many people were convinced Russia was responsible for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy... Earlier, at a Friday forum moderated by Kelly, Putin likened the U.S. blaming his country for hacking the presidential election to "blaming the Jews"...
"Echoing remarks President Donald Trump made on the campaign trail, Putin also questioned the need for NATO."
Kelly told viewers that Putin -- the former director of Russia's domestic spy agency -- also suggested that the CIA could have been behind the hacking and noted that many people were convinced Russia was responsible for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy... Earlier, at a Friday forum moderated by Kelly, Putin likened the U.S. blaming his country for hacking the presidential election to "blaming the Jews"...
"Echoing remarks President Donald Trump made on the campaign trail, Putin also questioned the need for NATO."
The CIA also faked all those meetings & communications between Russians & Flynn, Manafort, Kushner too
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Not one smoking gun in the whole thing. Speaking to ambassadors is not a crime.
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There are at least 3 smoking guns in the above:
1: Roger Stone predicting Podesta's time in the barrel, a reference to Wikileaks emails before they were released.
2: Jeff Sessions commits perjury.
3: Donald Trump commits obstruction of Justice.
4: The obvious collusion and criminality peppered throughout the timeline.
Our government has absolutely no transparency and our interests are not represented. Our country is essentially occupied by globalists.
Everything else is a distraction, and odds are you fall for it at least once in a while as we all do.
Engaging in the 'left vs. right' war is profoundly unhealthy. No responsible person acts this way.
The real war is 'rational vs. irrational'. We're all being made to pay for the ignorance of philosophy in education.
Instead of unifying with people we have most in common with we are fighting each other on behalf of our 'political leaders' that we have very little in common with and are indeed cruelly exploited by.
The globalist occupation (and every evil thing that goes with it)might seem like too hard of a problem to take on, but it's the condition under which you live. Deal with it or deal with natural selection.
You can't elect some one to live your life for you.
Picking a side is not a valid choice.
Yeah man, don't you know you're only supposed to guzzle down things that come from Fox News, Breitbart, or Rush? Jeez!
I'm sorry that the CIA detected Donald Trump committing treason, but it's not their fault. Moscow Donald just made things too easy for them. The CIA watches Russian figures like the ones Donald Trump chose to commit treason with.
That doesn't mean the CIA has turned on Donald Trump - they just always watch the Russia spies who compromised Donald Trump and his team.
I for one have much less skepticism from legitimate American news sources like the Washington Post, that I have for a state controlled news outlet like RT. The CIA does not control the Washington Post.
I'm sick of watching turncoats put America on the same very low level as Russia. You are plainly wrong.
1) Did the Russians meddle in the election?
2) If #1 is true, did the Trump campaign collude with the Russians in their election meddling?
I'm no fan of the guy currently occupying the White House, but given Clinton's statements (while she was Secretary of State) regarding the 2012 Russian election... it's certainly plausible that the Great Bear Wrestler could have directed his hackers to target Clinton without colluding with anyone on the US side of things.
Part of what muddies the waters here is that Trump's narcissistic ego won't allow him to accept that he won the election despite losing the popular vote. In his fantasies he won by a landslide and received a huge mandate from the American populace. So he won't listen to his intelligence agencies who are certain the Russians meddled; he talks about massive voter fraud without the presence of any corraborating evidence whatsoever, and so on. This sort of behavior creates the appearance of guilt in many people's eyes, whether the guilt exists in reality or not.
It's certainly possible that his campaign is guilty of collusion with the Russians... but the mere existence of Russian meddling does not conflate to that.
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There's going to come a point when just shouting "the Washington Post are poo-poo heads!" won't cut it. The only thing keep the Trump Presidency in place right now is uncertainty among Republicans about the effects on the mid-terms, but with his approval ratings back in decline and growing numbers of Americans clearly no longer buying into the Cult of Personality that people like you so desperately want to propagate, that "guarantee", if you will, won't last that much longer. Pence, if he isn't taken down by all of this (he has his own Russian problem) can do everything the GOP-dominated Congress wants, and what they want more than anything is to keep it GOP-dominated after mid-terms.
So go on, keep spouting the denials.
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Why would the CIA (or any of the alphabet agencies) move to put Trump in the White House? That's ludicrous.
If any sufficiently large group of independent US hackers wanted to get any of the 2016 candidates elected, they probably would have aided Bernie or McMullin.
That's a great argument for not interfering in the future. It's not a great argument for what we should do about others doing it to us. The US has bombed lots of countries - does that mean we should just shrug our shoulders if other countries decide to come fire cruise missiles at us? My commute is bad enough without having to add road closures from bomb damage to it.
I can freely say that maybe we shouldn't bomb other countries, while simultaneously saying that we should be stopping them from bombing us.
Your only source is WaPo, a DNC "rag". Nothing in your post is credible as a result.
This is egregious false equivalence.
Brian Williams jizzed his pants over a missile strike because he is a tool.
This is different than:
In Russia, journalists and opposition politicians are imprisoned or killed. The Trump / Russia scandal has left a trail of dead bodies in Russia.
Russian state run media is not the same as the US media, which may report information given by the government, but isn't controlled by it.
Open your fucking eyes and quit this false equivalence that puts free media at the same level as state run media in a place where journalism that embarrassed Putin often results in the Journalist's death.
I'm not saying that they are equally bad in every single way. I'm saying that without solid evidence, neither should be trusted much more than a Magic 8-ball.
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You have two choices.
We have many more than two choices. For instance, several house and senate committees could initiate investigations and the justice department could appoint a special counsel to conduct criminal investigations and prosecute government officials found to have committed crimes. Oh, snap, that's actually what they did. As it turns out, there are more than the two choices your limited mind could conjure up.
That is the thing man; Putin is a reasonably good leader for his country, but he is not a devil incarnate and his country Russia is a moderate regional power without any global ideological aspirations, nothing like former Soviet Union. He manages oil and gas ands keeps the country afloat; but American Elections? This is some level far above Putin. Even Dems could not rig the elections in USA, the vote still matters and is counted fairly. For a distant foreign leader like Putin or Erdogan or Modi or whatever regional leaders are around it is really really hard to imagine that level of influence.
You mean the paper that was holding clandestine fundraisers for the DNC? I'm sure that doing it any way after the lawyers said no was perfectly legit!
And those same emails talk about trumping up the Russian connections.
So no, I don't believe your random anonymous sources with no proof, let alone how "time in the barrel" has anything to do with Seth Rich leaking their emails after they screwed over Bernie.
On the whole, he's arguably slightly to the left of Hillary Clinton, just less authoritarian (which is really saying something, because he's ridiculously authoritarian). The problem is that by world standards, she's so far to the right that you can't even see her from the center, along with almost all other American politicians....
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You are correct. Given enough time, all propaganda eventually works. The Washington Post, Propornot, the NYT etc will successfully be able to put down an elected president on a nebulous, ill-defined charged of unspecified nature based on no evidence whatsoever.
No evidence. None. Not one document. Not one testimony. Nothing that will stand up for half and hour in any court of law. Just headlines, and innuendo, and ordinary events blown up into hysteria. And libel of course. No court will stand for this so called chain of evidence, at least, not without two years of sustained, concerted propaganda to normalize the assumption that Trump must have been "colluding" or "hacking" with the Russians somehow -- anyhow.
I mean if he wasn't, then everyone will look like fools!
There's going to come a point when just shouting "the Washington Post are poo-poo heads!" won't cut it.
WaPo didn't have to go to any great lengths to find factual information that made Trump look bad, and that info is interesting enough to sell copy, so don't hold your breath for it to stop.
Obama said that to Medvedev not Putin & he was already president.
And he didn't win TWO presidential elections by narrow margins or through the interference of foreign governments.
It's amusing to hear a Trump supporter talking about Obama being "excused" for anything when if he'd ever behaved like Trump has been doing his whole life, he would never have become a senator, let alone president.
Aside from Manafort, there's also Carter Page who was an utter unknown to the general public until Trump mentioned his name as a foreign policy advisor during the campaign. Page has been courted by Russian intelligence for a while but is probably too dumb to be a good spy so has likely been used as a useful idiot.
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Lol, the same Washington Post that told us Iraq had WMDs and thinks PewDiePie is a white supremacist? Fact checking is not a part "real news", I guess.
The elections wasn't rigged, it was influenced, which is nothing new in general, but rare for the U.S. Certainly undesirable. "Distant" Foreign leader? WTH does that mean? If Putin is stooping to make fake posts on Slashdot, he's doing a thorough job of it.
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What you mean is that Obama and the CIA wiretapped the Russians to trap Trump when he colluded with them, and Trump walked right into it.
Trump can get out of this easy. All he has to do is explain what happened in those meetings, and why they needed to be kept secret, explain why he hired people known to be compromised, fire anyone who did anything illegal or improper including any cover ups, and reveal any foreign financial entanglements now or in the past.
If he does all that, then he'll be in the clear. He's got to explain himself.
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"Liberals are Demonizing Trump" is not a defense. Trump needs to explain himself publicly, cooperate with any investigations, and clean house if necessary. Some people calling him "Putin's puppet" doesn't change that. If he's not Putin's puppet, he can easily do those things.
He should *not* openly fight the investigation. Even if no serious crime was committed WRT Russia, he *will* screw up and commit a serious crime (maybe already has) should he continue to fight.
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By "Walked right into it", you mean "did what any president would do because they are supposed to talk to other nations as part of the job".
Oh, you didn't realize the president of the U.S. is actually supposed to talk to other countries? Jesus.
I'll let you have the last response because nut-job conspiracy theorists always have to have the last square of tinfoil.
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We can also demand the president reveal his financial entanglements with Russia and cooperate with the investigations.
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Good to know that throwing an election isn't as bad as having a private email server. Maybe Hillary should have tried that instead?
"Collusion" means cooperation in order to commit a crime.
Trump's team tried to hide their interactions from U.S. intelligence, but not from Russian intelligence. Trump is in cover up mode. This is not consistent with normal communication between candidates and a foreign government.
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There's going to come a point when just shouting "the Washington Post are poo-poo heads!" won't cut it.
Agreed. I saw the other day something like, well even if there was collusion, we still won, as if winning the presidency in such a manner is perfectly fine. They make such a big deal about Hillary having made poor decisions about email hosting and possibly not enough care to separate potentially classified material and then they defend as if it is absolutely nothing all of this. It make me sick. Hypocrisy, thy name is the republican party.
Even the better ones will tend to shut-up and do nothing more times than not until after they have won. Some have said that Trump is the sickness that will somehow make us stronger, that will somehow make us wiser to see underneath the underneath. To spot the lies in the noise, or at least to look for them.
I hope that is true but am afraid it is not. Oh there may be a Trump backlash, but TRUMP IS NOT THE PROBLEM NOR IS PUTIN or at least not the primary ones! They are playing with the balls we left in the playground. In a democracy the citizen who refuses to search for truth is the problem. Garbage in. Garbage out. The citizens can't demand the government filter the news so they receive truth, though they may of course set some standards. It is in the end their responsibility not only to demand truth, but to use the brain grace has given them to determine it and the harder it gets to accomplish that the more important and more dear the fight is.
If a democracy as old as the United States's is so easily influenced by fake news on facebook, then we have problems. Sure it may self correct, eventually, but the damage done in the mean time is hardly something we can be happy about, and if the damage goes too far the self correction itself is endangered.
Please for the love of truth encourage people to check multiple sources, and not all in the same ecosystem. Hell, currently just typing "subject fact check" in a decent search engine will usually turn up some decent hits, but check the validity of all those sources. If all else fails, buy a decent newspaper subscription, but make sure it is something reputable.
You've got that backwards. Trump has had it out for the WaPa ever since they started to run true stories critical of him and his campaign.