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Price-gouging Maker of EpiPen Literally Said That Critics Can Go Fuck Themselves (gizmodo.com)

Back in August of 2016, the pharmaceutical company Mylan came under fire for jacking up prices of the EpiPen from $57 in 2007 to roughly $600 in 2016. The public backlash has been significant. Gizmodo adds: But the chairman of Mylan has a message for any critics: Go fuck yourself. Well, at least that's what we think he said. The New York Times has a new article about the fact that prices for the live-saving allergy medication haven't actually come down since last year. And the article has a rather strange way of describing the attitude of Mylan chairman Robert Coury. This is how the New York Times describes Coury's reaction to critics of Mylan's price gouging: "Mr. Coury replied that he was untroubled. He raised both his middle fingers and explained, using colorful language, that anyone criticizing Mylan, including its employees, ought to go copulate with themselves. Critics in Congress and on Wall Street, he said, should do the same. And regulators at the Food and Drug Administration? They, too, deserved a round of anatomically challenging self-fulfillment."

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  1. Government should just drop the product. by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The epipen isn't the only player in the market, its popularity is due to schools support for it, as an easy way to administer the drug. If it is too expensive the schools should consider a replacement. And have this guy just blame critics in the poor house with a stack of epipens that he will sell at a loss.

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    1. Re:Government should just drop the product. by pak9rabid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That'd be all good and well, if there weren't patents preventing other players from entering the market.

    2. Re:Government should just drop the product. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That'd be all good and well, if there weren't patents preventing other players from entering the market.

      Perhaps patents shouldn't last as ridiculously long for devices that save lives... ... just a thought.

      I'm all for companies being paid to make up for R&D costs, but sometimes common sense should be observed.

    3. Re:Government should just drop the product. by russotto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, the whole epi-pen thing is blatant rent-seeking. Get your product legally required, get alternatives stuck in regulatory and patent limbo, jack up the price and rake in the bucks.

    4. Re:Government should just drop the product. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're right. We should do something to steer people away from making life saving devices and instead incentivize them to spend their efforts making iphones which can be patented for longer and make more money.

      They were making a profit at $67 an epipen. There is a profit to be made at that margin. If a profit can be made, someone will take it.

    5. Re:Government should just drop the product. by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or just impose mandatory licensing on fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory terms for medical patents, in a similar way to various standards bodies expecting this of contributors influencing the standards. You still get your commercial incentive to invest in research and development, you still get to make reasonable profits, but you don't get to literally hold people's lives hostage just because of a legal monopoly.

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    6. Re:Government should just drop the product. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I didn't vote for the "Republican" guys either. I'm just pointing out, that people that like to equate (R) with evil and corrupt every time some Chairman of some company is Republican and does something evil, are the same people who make excuses when it is a (D) doing it.

      Your case just proves my point. When everything the left hates is "Political" and when it is something that shines poorly upon the (D), it is "Get Fucked trying to make this political".

      Being a Libertarian, I understand the dangers of political manipulation of the Economy, at both the micro and macro points of the model. I am actually probably, on your side on this one. However, my solution isn't "more government control" and "Regulation" it is less. You see, since the whole problem was caused by government regulation in the first place (half dozen key regulations in fact). But that doesn't work for liberals who think that the first and only solution to a problem is "MOAR GOVERNMENT".

      And here is a key fact, there are other ways to administer Epinephrine besides EpiPen. In fact there are several "open source" style kits out there that do the same kind of thing, for a whole lot less money.

      http://www.consumerreports.org...
      http://spectrum.ieee.org/the-h...

      Instead of whining about EpiPen costs, vote with your dollars and get the less expensive version of your choice. And ask that the Government deregulate the mandates to use EpiPens.

      The key to power is information and choice. Government regulations that remove "choices" are to blame here. But so is being lazy, and not getting the information you need to make the choices you could be making.

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    7. Re:Government should just drop the product. by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      easy to convince them to take on that cost in the face of budget constraints to the point that many school districts no longer even offer buses

      Seriously, anyone who has ever been a to a school board budget meeting in their local community know busing is almost always the FIRST thing to be suggested for cuts. why? Because most people who serve on school boards are cynical bastards and know the easiest way get more money and its always more money, the per pupil costs never go down, is to inconvenience the parents. Nothing could do that better than killing student transportation. God for bid we don't have 10 librarians assistants per school no...or another computer lab teachers never let students actually use.

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    8. Re:Government should just drop the product. by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Government should revoke the patent when it is being abused.

      Except that patents were designed with abuse as their very purpose since the very start. Check out for example the backlash against them in 1624.

      The reason patents are advertised for did not pass the laugh test in any period of history. Try for example Edison and light bulbs: all he did was a minor improvement over what a long list of other researchers did, yet by abusing patents he stopped innovation for about 50 years.

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    9. Re: Government should just drop the product. by grep_rocks · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I say get rid of patents and I have 15 of them - 99% of the time the guy who invented the patent gets almost nothing - so what incentive are we really eliminating by getting rid of them? I say make everything open - people who invent stuff make money because they understand how use it and less money goes to lawyers and the fat fucks who own everything

  2. Literally.... by aicrules · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And then "well at least that's what we think he said." Oops. Your bombastic use of a word immediately discredits you. However, since it does appear that the article is saying that he actually said that, perhaps the term "reportedly" could have been used instead of literally.

  3. I'll just wait by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At some point, this orifice at the negative end of the esophagus will be responsible for the untimely demise of a person who is mourned by someone with a rather low tolerance for bullshit of this kind, and this person of limited longanimity will rip said orifice a suitable replacement for the aforementioned orifice.

    Preferably slowly, painfully and streamed via a service that many people can enjoy.

    And nothing of value will be lost. Except maybe the YouTube video of it.

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  4. Re:They own it by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is a difference between something being legal and something being a good idea.

    The pharma and biotech industries as a whole want to avoid price regulations but this kind of behavior heavily pushes politicians to look at passing laws to do that for consumer protection. That is why when Martin Shkreli raised the price of an AIDS medication by 5000% another company started to manufacture the same drug and sold it at only slightly above cost. The intention was to stave off new regulations by showing they could deal with bad actors as an industry and not harm patients in the process. My understanding is that the same thing is being worked on right now to get some more auto-injectors approved and drop the price way down in order to prevent tis from being used to regulate.

    The problem is that some drugs are seriously expensive to make. Some of them require some difficult processes that making enough of the drug for one person for one year can cost $50K and that does not cover the cost of R&D that went into it. Typically those drugs would then sell for $100K or so. If you have price caps then many drugs would just not be made at all because they are at the edge of our technology and we don't know of a cheaper way to make them. Especially with biotech drugs you have to connect together tens of thousands of atoms essentially perfectly. You need to make on the order of 10^24 of the molecules and your defect rate has to be 0.001%. There is nothing else on our planet that is manufactured to those kinds of standards and it is HARD and EXPENSIVE. The prices are coming down on them as technology gets better but mostly what happens is that even harder molecules are made.

    It really bothers me when I see a company that makes a drug for $0.50 and then sells it for $100+ because it puts the entire industry at risk. I don't want to see DNA, RNA and protein based drugs going away because they no longer fit within price caps.

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  5. Re:I really hope by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't have a problem with doctors and other end-providers doing well for themselves. I also don't have a problem with people who invent things making some real money from their inventions. After all, those who invent life-saving devices and those that have the knowledge and skills to save lives are doing some pretty amazing things. What I do have a problem with is all of the middlemen, that act to hand-off something, without really contributing, and siphoning-off their cut as they do it.

    I suppose this is why I support single-payer. I've heard arguments about choice in one's insurance company, I've heard arguments about being being worried about being denied treatment for something. Thing of it is, most people do not have choice in their insurance providers as they're limited to what their employers provide, and those insurers themselves limit the doctors available for affordable pricing (ie, which doctors have come to terms with the insurer), and the companies themselves already have things like stipulations against pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps on expenditures per patient.

    As far as I am concerned, if we already have numerous redundant bureaucracies that are bloated, inefficient, and expensive as a side-effect of being profit-driven, then why don't we do away with that and go to a system with a single bureaucracy? Even if it is bloated and inefficient, it's still only one bloated and inefficient bureaucracy, and if it's not profit-driven then it will probably cost less to operate than the numerous private insurance companies. And if proper separation is reintroduced then suddenly basically all providers are available.

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  6. Re:I really hope by dwillden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You think that the government would be less bloated? We are talking about the government. They created the concept of ineffectual bloat and then expanded, enhanced and perfected it. The government home of the $50,000 hammer.

    No, private industry with a profit motive will always be more efficient than government bureaucrats with no motive at all for efficiency and service.

    Take a look at the deadly mess that is the VA and tell me single payer is better.

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  7. Re:Mylan will cease to be relevant in 8 years by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when their patent expires.

    It's not even their patent. Pfizer owns the patent and manufactures them. Mylan only holds the exclusive rights to market EpiPens in the USA.

    It's time to drag both Pfizer, Mylan and the FDA into court on federal antitrust charges and collusion to keep other products and market channels available.

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  8. Re:I really hope by PoopJuggler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only thing private industry is efficient at is maximizing profit which implicitly involves exploitation and cost-cutting. If government didn't work at all, the country would be in shambles. Overall, the government works fairly well, and is accountable to the populace. Private industry is only accountable to their shareholders, whose motives are always just "more profit". There are actually a lot of people in government who have the peoples' interests at heart, believe it or not.

  9. Re:Lexmark by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Congress has forced the FDA to block the sale of imported drugs, the same congress has also blocked the government from negotiating prices even though Medicare and Medicaid combined constitute 80% of all drug and device sales.

    Allowing the reimport and negotiation of drug prices would bring US prices into line with the rest of the world.

  10. Re:I really hope by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Water treatment, purification, and distribution. Trash collection. Sewer service. In my state they operate a damn-good highway maintenance program, admittedly with the actual repair jobs being contracted, but the project management being centrally coordinated by a bureaucrat.

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  11. Re:Good by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least one chairman who has balls to say what he actually thinks instead of hiding behind insincere excuses. On the other hand I hope he won't cry when his critics start using stronger language as well.

    What you call "balls" I define as Corporate Arrogance, and quite frankly, I'm sick and fucking tired of it.

    It's amazing how we have anti-monopoly laws on the books, and yet we don't really do a damn thing from stopping mega-corps from buying 90% of the market, and colluding with the remaining 10% that comprise the remaining mega-corps. True competition is dead or dying, and the arrogant attitudes demonstrated by the worlds largest corporations prove it.

    I can only hope that 10 companies worth of real competition are birthed from this cocksuckers arrogance to compete directly against the EpiPen, and he's forced to eat his words standing in front of the shareholders explaining why revenue has tanked.

    Capitalism and Greed does not justify this kind of shit attitude that has created Corporate Arrogance. And it's high time consumers stop bending over and simply taking it when it happens.