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How a Few Yellow Dots Burned the Intercept's NSA Leaker (arstechnica.com)

On Monday, news outlet The Intercept released documents on election tampering from an NSA leaker. The documents revealed that a Russian intelligence operation sent spear-phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials days before the election, which ran through a hack of a U.S. voting software supplier. Hours later, the Department of Justice charged 25-year-old government contractor Reality Leigh Winner with sharing top secret material with the media. The DoJ said it Winner had "printed and improperly removed classified intelligence reporting, which contained classified national defense information" before mailing the materials. But how could the DoJ know that it was Winner who had printed the documents, or that the documents were printed at all? ArsTechnica explains: [...] The Intercept team inadvertently exposed its source because the copy showed fold marks that indicated it had been printed -- and it included encoded watermarking that revealed exactly when it had been printed and on what printer. The watermarks in the scanned document The Intercept published yesterday -- were from a Xerox Docucolor printer. Many printers use this or similar schemes, printing faint yellow dots in a grid pattern on printed documents as a form of steganography, encoding metadata about the document into its hard-copy output. Researchers working with the Electronic Frontier Foundation have reverse-engineered the grid pattern employed by this class of printer; using the tool, Ars (and others, including security researcher Robert Graham) determined that the document passed to The Intercept was printed on May 9, 2017 at 6:20am from a printer with the serial number 535218 or 29535218. Further reading: How The Intercept Outed Reality Winner.

308 comments

  1. Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Millennial Alert!!!

    1. Re:Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you just lost 100$

    2. Re:Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WRONG. Go to her Twit feed and see where she identifies as a Negro slave born in 1832.
       
      Of course, the millenial thing is true. Any IDIOT leaking info would know about the backstabbing yellow dot watermarks as this has been going on for more than a decade now. I am sure that msmash is getting all wet thinking that she has exposed some new, intriguing information because she is too dull to know about these things.

    3. Re:Reality Winner by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Even worse she worked for an NSA contractor. So she's incompetent as well. Of all people someone working in Intel should know about those watermarks, they have been around for over a decade. But Black? I've seen her picture and it's always possible she has black ancestors but you'd never know it from her picture. Maybe Black like Rachel Dolezal?

    4. Re:Reality Winner by Solandri · · Score: 0

      How dare a Millenial name herself Reality Winner! She shouldn't been more responsible like her parents, and picked a more socially acceptable name.

    5. Re: Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sadly, she is being charged under the Espionage Act. There is no defense, no mitigating circumstances, and she will spend many long years in prison as an example. Even if you disagree with her actions , this sounds inappropriate. Like the Soviet Union or China.

    6. Re:Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She's so white she has pink freckles.

    7. Re:Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      > and picked a more socially acceptable name

      Her birth name is Sara, not "Reality". She chose to be Reality Winner instead of the normal name her parents had chosen.

    8. Re: Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, that's the law. If only there was a way that like-minded citizens could have their viewpoints represented, such that their representative could offer a modification to the existing law that could reduce the punishment ?

    9. Re:Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things." -- Phil Karlton

    10. Re: Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In REALITY, she's going to WIN an all expenses paid trip to Club Fed!

    11. Re: Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you disagree with her actions, this sounds inappropriate. Like the Soviet Union or China.

      I agree, she should be executed.

    12. Re: Reality Winner by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 2

      Yeah, like Daniel Ellsberg, she broke the law to serve the law
      With THIS supreme Court however, she won't even get a hearing, even if Trump is finally implicated, impeached, convicted, tried, convicted and hanged.

    13. Re: Reality Winner by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Why not Hillary?
      Ask a lawyer
      Lack of demonstrations of intent where intent is part of the statutory definition = no crime.

    14. Re:Reality Winner by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      I can't believe no one here is being more skeptical of this. The contractor and the Intercept should have known about the watermarks. All they had to do was transcribe the documents into a plain text document. In addition, there is no actual information revealed other than again supposed hacking, without any information on what that hacking did before or during the election. Nothing about what systems were compromised, or what became of that. Why do I think that "Reality" is not going to jail? Because she was probably part of an NSA leak plan that made the Intercept look bad. This was not critical enough information to put your life and freedom on the line for.

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    15. Re: Reality Winner by zedaroca · · Score: 2

      Trey Gowdy on Hillary emails
      He talks about intent around 1:55, but the lead up is not bad either. They chose to pretend there was no intent. There was proof of intent, but no prosecutor to prosecute her.

    16. Re: Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By this logic political assassination is just fine with you. You know how you can spot a liberal? No cohesive grounded world-view based on reason. Just a bunch of random group-think. I mock your unreasoned outlook.

    17. Re: Reality Winner by bongey · · Score: 2

      She did nothing but to serve her own interests of hating the President.

    18. Re:Reality Winner by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That _is_ a possibility. But covering up a false-flag operation like this is difficult. I would say it was naivety on her side. At 25, most people do not have a good grasp of what is important and what is not.

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    19. Re: Reality Winner by Boronx · · Score: 1

      There was no proof of intent. Gowdy only says that there is some circumstantial evidence is given for intent. Circumstantial evidence *can* prove a point, but only if it's overwhelming.

      Other circumstantial evidence, such as the fact that the emails labeled as classified were labelled in such a way that they could easily be missed, the fact that the amount of classified material was very small and inconsequential, the fact that much of it was under the purview of the Secretary of State, the fact that the deleted emails were recovered and were not in anyway incriminating are evidence for lack of intent.

      Gowdy knows this of course, knows Comey is right, but is a scumbag who has no problem holding up his end of the Benghazi! witch hunt.

    20. Re: Reality Winner by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Can you explain why releasing info on election hacks might hurt the president? Do you believe his election was illegitimate?

    21. Re: Reality Winner by bongey · · Score: 1

      Trying to keep the false "Russia" story hanging over Trump's head the entire presidency. Also harms US/Russian relations because there is no solid evidence that it was even the Russians. The documents are TS for part of the reason they "think" it might be the Russians, but in order to collect REAL PROOF, the hackers must NOT know what the US knows about them. Now hackers , know exactly what information was collected and what to fix.

      Finally the entire it's the Russian story stinks of a colored revolution to build discontent in the US. The CIA invented colored revolutions , now a foreign government using it on the US. I wouldn't be surprised if there are MSM "journalists" that a really spies for this exact reason, again the CIA did that before also.

    22. Re: Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You spend your whole life on slashdot...

    23. Re:Reality Winner by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      It just seems fishy. It will be interesting to see how the Intercept handles the back story of their whistle blower now. They encourage people to come forward, and tell them they can do it anonymously, so it will be informative to see how they deal with that system apparently breaking down for such a dumb reason. Maybe if they had read /. over the years the watermark issue would have been more on their minds.

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    24. Re:Reality Winner by ebvwfbw · · Score: 2

      What a waste. She could have told us who really killed JFK, that Obama really was born in Kenya, who really shot JR (Probably too long ago for /. people).

      Well she'll have a while to think about it. Maybe she'll get Chelsea Manning's old cell.

    25. Re:Reality Winner by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      I'll stay more serious. This is information that the deep state wanted out anyway, this is not information that is embarrassing or harmful for the spooks. It also gives us no real information on what supposedly happened. I smell a big fat rat.

      And by the way everyone knows the show's writers shot JR. Hagman knew too much.

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    26. Re:Reality Winner by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      You smell a big rat, I think it was a document to help flush out leaks. No details. Really nothing more than what we've already seen on /. Being able to hack a Diebold machine, well no kidding! Why it's so easy a caveman could do it, there are even web sites with how to do it. I think I even saw a youtube video on it.

      Classify it at top secret, let it cook.... See if anything bites. Someone really dumb did. Seems they were watching. Anyone leaking stuff right now is just asking for it. You might as well go flashing hundred dollar bills while walking down the street in SE Washington.

    27. Re:Reality Winner by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      Maybe I should have said I smell a honey pot, filled with stuff that TPTB wanted released. They got a two for one deal.

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    28. Re:Reality Winner by RockDoctor · · Score: 2

      I can't believe no one here is being more skeptical of this.

      You're right to be sceptical. Maybe most of the sceptics aren't bothering to post, for whatever reason.

      The contractor and the Intercept should have known about the watermarks.

      Oh fuck aye. Of course they should, if they were competent at InfoSec, an had been aware for the 15-odd years that this technology has been deployed.

      All they had to do was transcribe the documents into a plain text document.

      Ah, you don't understand how it works. There is nothing in the document that stores this watermarking information. It is ADDED to the document BY the printer, AFTER the printer has rendered the provided information to being an image. In fact, one of the methods promoted years ago for identifying which printers did this (and for obtaining enough information to crack their steganography encoding), was to print a blank document on pale blue paper - which made the contrast of the pale yellow dots much more visible.

      The information in the steg encoding included the printer's serial number, date and time, and quite conceivably, the printer-user's network authentication. Which I assume is how they nailed the perpetrator.

      As a corollary, whoever was publicising this should have known to photocopy the documents provided onto monochrome (ie black/white, not grey-scale) output, then burned the originals. Precisely to avoid having to hand over such steg to agents.

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    29. Re: Reality Winner by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      if Trump is finally implicated, impeached, convicted, tried, convicted and hanged.

      Do any American butchery states still use the rope?

      Probably best to not have him tried in one of those states. I want him to have to suffer the cognitive dissonance of having to prey that Europe keeps it's tight hold on death-by-lethal-injection drugs, so that he stays alive for a few days more.

      I believe that it's called "cruel and unusual punishment". As an alternative to execution. Or as a supplement.

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    30. Re: Reality Winner by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Any release of classified information is a violation. Intent is NOT required. The two lowest charges (failure to protect and failure to report) are both negligence charges. Comey flat out lied about that. The pertinent charges do not require intent. Further Comey stated that much of the Intel belonged to other agencies, not State, thus she did not have the discretion to just let it slide, not that even she could just say, no that's not classified. She was an original classification authority, but even they have to document

      Failure to protect classification is prosecutable for sheer negligence. Also for any information sent too her falls under failure to report. Comey Lied, there was no need for intent. Negligence alone is the felony criminal act.

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    31. Re: Reality Winner by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      If a phishing email is sent to help one candidate, the other guy (or girl here) should automatically win.

      This will COMPLETELY stop foreign governments from being able to manipulate the process!

    32. Re: Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, she is being charged under the Espionage Act. There is no defense, no mitigating circumstances, and she will spend many long years in prison as an example.

      So why isn't Hillary in jail? They both have committed the same crime. Yet she walks.

      One really screwed application of the law.

    33. Re: Reality Winner by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Failure to protect classification for negligence is not prosecuted, as far as I can tell. One person I read about agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor (and that will not normally get you jail time), but didn't have to. There were cases of security clearances being lost temporarily or indefinitely, people losing their jobs, and I doubt it's ever been a career-enhancing move.

      You may not think this is right, but it's how it's been done for as long as I can tell. Prosecuting Clinton would have been special treatment. Not prosecuting her is normal treatment.

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    34. Re: Reality Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Failure to protect classification is prosecutable for sheer negligence. Also for any information sent too her falls under failure to report. Comey Lied, there was no need for intent. Negligence alone is the felony criminal act.

      False - the USA has hierarchy of law, with an open-ended Bill of Rights being the highest law in the land. When lessor laws - such as Acts of Congress - come into conflict with the Bill of Rights (including rights asserted under the open-ended portion), the lessor law is invalid.

      The Espionage Act is an Act of Congress, and hence a lessor law.

      It is not - and has never been - within the legal authority of Congress to determine that an action or a failure to act is automatically a felony without regard to the Bill of Rights. Under the 9th Amendment, intent and circumstances do matter - these are expectations in any free country, and hence protected under the 9th Amendment as rights retained by the people. Further, the right to ethical practice of law applies - another 9th Amendment right - if the law is unreasonable it's automatically null and void, since anything else would create an artificial demand for the service of legal professionals.

      Further, contract law is a lessor form of law: it is not allowed to contradict the Bill of Rights, so the documents people sign as part of a security clearance and not necessarily binding.

      The principle of hierarchy of law is a basic part of the US legal system - and one every law enforcement agent and senior government official swears an oath to uphold. Those oaths require individual responsibility in such matters - think Nuremberg. For federal judges - including the Supreme Court - failure to act accordingly is also a violation of the constitutional requirement of "good behaviour".

      Don't confuse how the corrupt and unethical elements of government would like the law to work with what is actually required by the Bill of Rights. Incompetence and lack of integrity are commonplace when laws are written and passed in the USA - and the US legal profession isn't ethical enough to insist that these laws get removed from the books or brought into compliance, since bad law creates business for their profession. What gets written down in the law books is frequently not in compliance with the Bill of Rights - making it illegal. It can take decades for illegal laws to be removed - and possibly even a major Civil Rights movement (consider Jim Crow).

    35. Re: Reality Winner by Boronx · · Score: 1

      What if two phishing emails were sent to help the *same* candidate?

      The other candidate cannot win twice, therefore your plan is a failure.

    36. Re: Reality Winner by Maritz · · Score: 1

      I mock your unreasoned outlook.

      lol. I can picture you in your fedora.

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    37. Re: Reality Winner by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Ah, touche !

    38. Re: Reality Winner by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Yes, Utah offers it as an option
      BTW, it's a "She"

    39. Re: Reality Winner by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Since we have triple EYEWITNESS testimony to Trump's ATTEMPTs to obstruct justice, your lead is false
      There is real smoke and fire there.

    40. Re: Reality Winner by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Show me the proof
      Comey reviewed, there was no intent.

    41. Re: Reality Winner by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Regardless of that, why the fuck did she (or anybody else) want to leak this. It's not whistleblowing by any sense if the word, nor did it benefit the public to know this yet. They've now spoiled an investigation, which gives the Russians an opportunity to further cover their tracks, and any further investigation into Trump is now most likely fucked.

      If it was her, (and it seems likely) put her ass in jail for 10 years.

    42. Re: Reality Winner by Methadras · · Score: 1

      Because you would have to string together a series of circumstances by which the president knew of said spear-phishing tactic and either paid said person or group to conduct such an action either directly or through various parties. Then and only then could you remotely put the pieces together that Trump rigged or attempted to rig an election outcome in his favor. But it has been provably stated that even if this spear-phishing tactic had worked, it would never have changed the outcome of the election, much less a vote tally. Since no such vote fraud or vote tally has occurred, it can be assumed with provable facts and has been stated by many election officials in their respective states that no such vote manipulation has taken place.

    43. Re: Reality Winner by Methadras · · Score: 1

      Triple eyewitness testimony? By whom and when?

    44. Re: Reality Winner by Methadras · · Score: 1

      Still fapping to this fantasy? Fap harder.

    45. Re: Reality Winner by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      The Russia hack story is the biggest fabrication in recent history. There is 0 evidence, and no reason to believe a word of it.

      http://www.truthdig.com/report...

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    46. Re: Reality Winner by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Comey, Coates and Rodgers, all either testified that Trump asked for an end to the Russian connection or refused to say if Trump asked.

    47. Re: Reality Winner by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      She wasn't the first to use her own mail server. Feel free to prosecute the other half dozen politicians (democratic and republican) doing the same.

  2. Take a photo by hawguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you're going to leak documents, take a photo and crank up the jpeg compression level to help hide the watermarks.

    1. Re:Take a photo by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Or print on yellow paper.

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    2. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to leak documents, take a photo and crank up the jpeg compression level to help hide the watermarks.

      most secure facilities do not allow cameras in (including cell phones w/cameras).

    3. Re:Take a photo by DaHat · · Score: 2

      Or just don't print in color.

    4. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then paste the resulting JPEG into Word, cause you know, you want it to be a document after all.

      Too many years on the Help Desk. ;)

    5. Re:Take a photo by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Informative
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    6. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or take the documents somewhere and photo copy them. Then take the photocopies to a different library and photocopy them.

      Or even use an OCR to scan the document into a plain text, copy using a plain text editor (notepad etc.)

      Really this watermarking should be trivial to defeat.

    7. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So much for women in IT...

    8. Re:Take a photo by heson · · Score: 1

      What if all originals are unique by different wording? This was sloppy spy work.

    9. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So now we have exif from the camera and personal information from Word. Nice!

    10. Re:Take a photo by green1 · · Score: 2

      They also don't allow top secret printouts to leave, but obviously they weren't too successful there. Why are you so sure they would be successful the other way?

    11. Re:Take a photo by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      On secure printers that keep logs they might not have options for disabling the watermark that easily.

    12. Re:Take a photo by green1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's been standard process for many decades, but it's actually less likely now because it's harder to implement than these technological solutions, even though it's more likely to actually catch the party involved (because even if they take every precaution listed so far here, they'd still be caught simply by the wording used.)

    13. Re:Take a photo by Train0987 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or maybe don't leak classified information that you're sworn to protect in the first place?

    14. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to leak documents, take a photo and crank up the jpeg compression level to help hide the watermarks.

      Or copy the text into new document(s) or into the body of the email.

    15. Re:Take a photo by jm007 · · Score: 1

      I like your moxie, more tips please

    16. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nope. That is amateur level, and would only work if taken from a low-resolution camera. That's not even enough to authenticate.

      There is a solution, but it's to convoluted for millenials.

      Step 1. Print the document
      Step 2. Photocopy the print, increase the contrast and reduce it in size, shred the original
      Step 3. Repeat step 2 again, but at a different photocopier. It should fit inside some book like a bible.

      Step 4. Place reduced documents inside book to smuggle out of the building.

      That's just the boring james bond version.

      A far more easier, and easier to get caught way is to buy a burner phone off the interbutts, do not turn on the phone until ready to take a photo of the documents, use the phone's SMS to text the documents immediately to your recipient. Erase message history, turn phone off, drop sim card in a shredder, drop phone in toilet, and then toss in trash.

      That's obviously too expensive for a millennial, and it's very likely the cellular service inside a secured building is monitored. But that is also the quickest way to leak something of dire importance to the public good.

      Another solution, only works if you're a woman, I'll leave that to your imagination.

      Overall the entire idea of leaking things, there has to be an actual "in the public interest" in doing so. Just to generate outrage is 4chan levels of stupidity. My thoughts on this is that the person who leaked this figured the voting machine thing would be in the public good, but wasn't aware of any way to leak the information and sent it to the first news site she saw on her computer.

    17. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cue the leaker bot based on a language parser that obfuscates documents, preferably using Etch-A-Sketch line art for pictographs.

    18. Re:Take a photo by Bodhammer · · Score: 2

      Oh sure! That is just racist, there.

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    19. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get a cheap b/w printer for less than the cost of the toner replacement. Be sure to pay in cash.

    20. Re: Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your generational xenophobia is about as concrete as your plan to obfuscate water color marks.

    21. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Step 1. Print the document
      Step 2. Photocopy the print, increase the contrast and reduce it in size, shred the original
      Step 3. Repeat step 2 again, but at a different photocopier. It should fit inside some book like a bible.
      Step 4. Place reduced documents inside book to smuggle out of the building.

      If their office copiers are anything like the ones at my company, they require a badge scan, and probably record all copies made along with the badge used, so this would be a pretty bad idea.

    22. Re:Take a photo by haruchai · · Score: 0

      Or maybe don't leak classified information that you're sworn to protect in the first place?

      What's the penalty when you're the president & decide to tell a foreign leader where he can find a couple nuclear subs?

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    23. Re:Take a photo by Koby77 · · Score: 2

      It certainly seems trivial to defeat to people such as you and me. But based on her profile, it seems to me that she was likely a linguist, doing translation work from Farsi into English (I could be wrong about her job, but that's my best guess). She might not have been technical at all, the way Snowden is. In all likelihood, she probably didn't even know about the watermarks, let alone considered how to defeat them.

    24. Re:Take a photo by Koby77 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nothing, the President of the United States has the authority to declassify anything at any time.

    25. Re:Take a photo by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Nothing, the President of the United States has the authority to declassify anything at any time.

      And thousands of government workers have the *ability* to declassify anything at any time... and most of the time they won't even get caught, so those in power should not disillusion those that work for them.

    26. Re: Take a photo by AC5398 · · Score: 1

      So certain are you, with black and white, it cannot be done.

      If tptb can do this with colour printers, it can be done with black and white.

    27. Re:Take a photo by Kjella · · Score: 1

      That's been standard process for many decades, but it's actually less likely now because it's harder to implement than these technological solutions, even though it's more likely to actually catch the party involved (because even if they take every precaution listed so far here, they'd still be caught simply by the wording used.)

      These technical solutions only matter if you see the copy somehow, the changing text is for when it is referenced by news media, in reports by foreign agencies and such. IIRC from a previous article usually the base document is the same, but there are summaries that subtly swap words. They're also "juicy" hoping that you'll end up with direct quotes, since actual scans are usually rare because of the reasons above. Unlike say a movie OCR to get a plaintext file is pretty destructive to all other clues.

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    28. Re: Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That be why I *be sure to pay in cash* (with the implicit understanding that you would not otherwise provide name or details, obviously).

    29. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forget to account for the fact that to use any photocopier inside the building you need to swipe your access card, and the photocopiers are recording your every move.

    30. Re:Take a photo by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Yes AC every US, UK and Russian photocopier in a secure building now records the face of the person and the document they copied. Paper use is counted too.
      The days of walking out of a secure vault, making as many photocopies in the same building as could be carried in a briefcase per day should have ended in the 1970's given spying issues in the UK.

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    31. Re:Take a photo by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That is not reliable. You still need to clean them, ideally by typing them in manually. But that way you at least do not have to print them for the purpose of leaking as making photos from LCDs works pretty well with high-resolution cameras.

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    32. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realise their system likely tracks what was printed and when - pretty much a function of submitting to a print queue for a shared printer. So they'll see that she printed a document and then went and did photocopying at two locations - most companies use your ID card to attribute cost to a department and to release a print job so that material for you is only seen by you rather than just left on the printer. That won't raise suspicions will it?

    33. Re:Take a photo by DaHat · · Score: 1

      Except that when the president does it, it's legal, as they are the ultimate decider as to classification.

      When one of the thousands of government employees opts to, the releases information is still classified despite being available... and so causing issues for those with clearances which prohibit them from reading/seeing info they are not cleared for.

    34. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of these things would help. Toner is SHINY, and the only way you'd hide this using even the exact same color paper as the dots, would be one with the exact same degree of sheen. That also probably wouldn't help because the toner fused to the paper could be detected by other means.

      What you need to do is use a black and white copier, and use a filter that blocks all shades of yellow, allowing through only other colors. Or pull the yellow toner cartridge out...

      Even these things probably wouldn't work.

      But it would be an interesting experiment to see what you have to do to stop this bullshit spying measure, besides boycott all printer manufacturers that use such things.

    35. Re:Take a photo by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Many people are in fact upholding a higher law when choosing to leak details about illegal bullshit.

    36. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She certainly wasn't a cunning linguist, was she?

    37. Re:Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Print out on your home printer a scan of a photo of a xeroxed copy of a printout from a coworker's computer.

    38. Re:Take a photo by sexconker · · Score: 1

      This being a reason lot of hackers and leakers be talking and typing in way like this.

      https://medium.com/@shadowbrok...

    39. Re: Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That printer won't work without all toner cartridges installed.

    40. Re:Take a photo by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      She might get some practice in prison.

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    41. Re: Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The watermarks usually can't be turned off. They appear on all papers that pass through a printer with this "feature".

    42. Re: Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your suggestion wont work. The water marks aren't embedded in the document beong printing so peinting a different doc (with similar) as you siggest will not defeat the docucolour water marks. instead they come from a particular hardware/firmware component physocalky built in to the printer. Every document printed by sich a printer has those water marks.

    43. Re: Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure that will work. If I recall correctly, when decoding the water marks for the EFF the sample printouts they gave me to work with included some with just B&W text printed on them which still had the watermarks on them.

      Of course making sure there is only black ink actually in the printer might help...

    44. Re: Take a photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The peoblem was watermarks embedded by the printer, not the document.

    45. Re:Take a photo by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      That probably wouldn't help. The printer would still print the steg anyway.

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    46. Re:Take a photo by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      and it's very likely the cellular service inside a secured building is monitored.

      Spelling mistake. In this context, "monitored" is spelt "non-existent".

      If you don't want information leaving your site without your knowledge, then blocking construction of mobile phone towers anywhere near enough to be effective is a relatively easy thing for government-level organisations. As is metal film on non-openable windows (if you have windows at all) ... well many places have that for AC reasons anyway. Enough steelwork in the walls of the building to attenuate signals from distant towers further.

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    47. Re:Take a photo by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      should have ended in the 1970's given spying issues in the UK.

      That would be that well known 1990s spy, Aldrich Ames?

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    48. Re:Take a photo by dunkindave · · Score: 1

      In all likelihood, she probably didn't even know about the watermarks, let alone considered how to defeat them.

      I think we have a priori evidence of that!

  3. Note that this isn't some NSA-only stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your color printer does it too. Treacherous hardware.

    1. Re:Note that this isn't some NSA-only stuff by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Okis don't. Per the EFF.

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    2. Re:Note that this isn't some NSA-only stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They save us from the impulse of printing money with our printers. Although laser color printing and copying is like printing money anyway.

    3. Re:Note that this isn't some NSA-only stuff by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Yet.

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  4. Lesson to learn by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Do not use colour printers.

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    1. Re:Lesson to learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't take your leaked documents to The Intercept. It's weird that they wouldn't protect their sources. They really screwed up on this one.

    2. Re:Lesson to learn by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 2

      In fairness to them, she also (reportedly) violated some of the things they suggest, like emailing them from her computer at work.

      Then again, they also (reportedly) gave away her location (Augusta GA) to the government person they were trying to verify the documents with.

    3. Re:Lesson to learn by s_p_oneil · · Score: 3, Informative

      "The U.S. Government Agency determined that six individuals printed this reporting. WINNER was one of these six individuals. A further audit of the six individuals' desk computers revealed that WINNER had e-mail contact with the News Outlet. The audit did not reveal that any of the other individuals had e-mail contact with the News Outlet."

      Also, don't use your work computer or email account to send/receive emails to the organization you're leaking classified documents to.

    4. Re:Lesson to learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another great lesson to learn here is don't try to be little miss anarchy patriot when you're just a two-bit nobody contractor with no cred at all and nobody who is willing to have your back. What the fuck did this girl think her end game was gonna be anyhow?

    5. Re:Lesson to learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This feature has been on color printers for years. More than a decade. You mean to tell me that The Intercept didn't know about this? I can see why some greenhorn leaker wouldn't know, but The Intercept should know.

    6. Re: Lesson to learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the NSA. Even if she hadn't used the work machine, they probably would have investigated all 6 people, getting records from their isps

    7. Re:Lesson to learn by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then again, they also (reportedly) gave away her location (Augusta GA) to the government person they were trying to verify the documents with.

      Wait, they have top secret government documents, and they're going to verify them with the government? And then give information of their source to the government? And then release the original photos of documents to the public? Did they also hand over the originals to the government so they could grab fingerprints and other forensic evidence off of them?

      There is no excuse for how many failures the Intercept committed in protecting a formerly anonymous source. I'm going out on a limb here and say that this will be the last time they receive info from an actual anonymous source that isn't a complete idiot. Then again, as noted, Winner appears to qualify as a complete idiot, emailing them from work in the first place.

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    8. Re:Lesson to learn by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      TBH, I expect a movie soon, written and directed by Mel Brooks.

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    9. Re:Lesson to learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck did this girl think her end game was gonna be anyhow?

      Based on the total lack of effort to disguise herself, I'm guessing she's making it impossible for Drumpf to declare it "Fake News!" Remember--he keeps on wanting to have it both ways: "the leaks aren't real," and "find & punish the leakers."

    10. Re:Lesson to learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The intercept has no responsibility to an source they don't solicit, beyond not getting them disappeared. The intercept loses quite a bit if they lose the "leaks" that are quietly authorized, and they probably could not afford the legal costs to defend someone who's betraying an oath for a political agenda, nor could they afford piss off the executive in a manner that cuts off their legitimate access to insiders.

    11. Re:Lesson to learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this is what journalists do to verify sources and it is standard operating procedure.

    12. Re:Lesson to learn by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I think the verification of the documents is important, but what are you going to get other than "no comment" from the government? The verification is in what's contained in the documents, which is what real reporters do. If you could just call the government and ask "Hey, I heard that you're investigating 'x'. Tell me about it" and get full details, we wouldn't need investigative reporters.

      The real questions are what followed regarding protecting the source.

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    13. Re:Lesson to learn by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re 'had e-mail contact with the ..."
      The NSA tracks all contact with the media.
      The Most Intriguing Spy Stories From 166 Internal NSA Reports (May 17 2016)
      https://theintercept.com/2016/...
      "...press items daily for “cryptologic insecurities” and maintained a database called FIRSTFRUIT with “over 5,000 insecurity-related records” ranging from “espionage damage assessments” to “liaison exchanges.”"

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    14. Re:Lesson to learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Intercept didn't call the NSA press office, they contacted another source they had inside the intelligence agency.

      Maybe you should learn how the press works before speaking out of your ass again.

    15. Re:Lesson to learn by Boronx · · Score: 1

      IIRC, the NSA asked them not to publish it. When intercept refused, the NSA asked for certain redactions, and the intercept granted some of them.

  5. It seems in this case by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

    Yellow, then orange (once convicted) is the new black

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  6. More Leaks than a Porcupine's Rain Coat by sinequonon · · Score: 2

    Okay, who leaked the information about how they spotted the leak source?

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    1. Re:More Leaks than a Porcupine's Rain Coat by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Okay, who leaked the information about how they spotted the leak source?

      Well, this has been public knowledge for a while. Most famously, Tom Clancy wrote about it Patriot Games. It usually comes up in real life when idiots try to print money with a desktop printer.

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  7. PDFs too? by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

    Dang. Found on the PDF scans even though you can't see them. Lessons learned:
    1. make sure to take really really low quality scans only of senstitive printouts.
    2. Use someone else's printer
    3. The "swamp" being drained is evidently people who are reporting on wildly unethical things the government is doing.

    Obligatory yes the last guy did it too. STFU and focus on the current abomination in office, maligning the last guy doesn't help anything more than you losing sleep at night.

    1. Re: PDFs too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Now don't get me wrong, I dislike the bipolar troll in the White House, but these leaks didn't implicate the government in anything like you're implying.

      In this day and age you need to be absolute with your facts and not sink to the lowly levels disseminating misinformation with the likes of the US executive and their supporters.

    2. Re:PDFs too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also superimpose a pattern on the documents to add noise and then encode it with jpeg. Jpeg filters out a lot of things, you cannot see anyway. Most watermarks are gone then.

    3. Re:PDFs too? by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 0

      Obligatory yes the last guy did it too. STFU and focus on the current abomination in office, maligning the last guy doesn't help anything more than you losing sleep at night.

      As a sort of compromise we could look at putting both Trump and the Clintons (plus ban Chelsea from public office) in jail. That would solve the need for it to be bi-partisan, it would send a strong message to others in the future, and it would have *enormous* support. That deal could actually happen.

    4. Re:PDFs too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      reporting on wildly unethical things the government is doing.

      What "wildly unethical" thing was reported here? Nothing. Your cognitive biases are showing.

    5. Re:PDFs too? by asdfman2000 · · Score: 2

      3. The "swamp" being drained is evidently people who are reporting on wildly unethical things the government is doing.

      Pray tell, what "wildly unethical things the government is doing" were uncovered by her leak? Is it unethical to have an ongoing investigation into hack attempts?

    6. Re:PDFs too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obstruction of justice is unethical and illegal. Here we have details into Russia hacking, the GOP is desperately trying to spin "no proof" and lo and behold. Proof! MAGA, comrade!

    7. Re:PDFs too? by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      You're drawing a false equivalence. You don't like the Clintons or Trump, fine. The Clintons made some mistakes, sure. What Trump is doing daily though is willfully weakening the US. It's not at all similar.

    8. Re:PDFs too? by bongey · · Score: 1

      No there are only very specific "classified approved printers" , which always have the watermarking. You cannot just use any printer. She is idiot for not realizing that.

    9. Re:PDFs too? by bongey · · Score: 0

      Russia story is deflection of the true criminals in the Obama regime using the US government as a political tool by spying on opponents, just like the IRS scandal. Obama's Ambassador to the UN Samantha Powers unmasking names for political purposes.Rumor is Samantha unmasked had more unmasking requests than anyone else. Someone Rice,Powers,or Brennan unmasked on Jan 19 2017 around noon.

    10. Re:PDFs too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please. If there were "true criminals" in the Obama administration, Trump would be all over it, if only for the deflection/political cover. Obama relatively ran one of the cleanest administrations, and at the very least, isn't the toilet and icnompetent mess the Trump administration has proven to be. Remember, Trump's only been in office a little over 4.5 months. If you believe that Trump isn't gong after those true criminals, then you are pretty much admitting Trump is either lazy or negligent, or can't fill out positions to properly go after these "true criminals", or you will have to admit you are misinformed.

      Unmasking, btw, isn't illegal. And it certainly pales in comparison to collusion. You're pissed unmasking showed Invanka is fucking a traitor.

      And the IRS scandal, regardless of what you believe he knew or not (he didn't), at least Obama was smart enough to change policy. Has Trump when doing something clearly wrong? Nah. He's been trhowing hams into the swamp while increasing the stockpile of crocs.

    11. Re:PDFs too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, don't you want the highest quality? And then greyscale it, then sharpen the hell out of the iimage afterwards (puts the pixels to extremes, either monolithic white or monolithic black). After that, *then* drop the compression to shit (blurs whatever is left)..

      If you start with low compression, it'll be unreadable and you'll get lazy thinking that's fine versus actually destroying any watermarking tech.

    12. Re:PDFs too? by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      I lol'd.

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    13. Re:PDFs too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorrect. Most color laser printers use microdots. All the major manufacturers have this feature and it cannot be disabled outside of flashing the firmware. The microdots were created decades ago as a compromise with government treasuries to trace counterfeit currency if it was created by these printers. This technology isn't secret, it was openly debated 20 years ago and there have many articles about it since that time on technology sites including Slashdot.

    14. Re:PDFs too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you are either a Liar or an Idiot; being one does not preclude the other:
      https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-display-tracking-dots

      This is a partial list as of 2015 from the EFF on currently available Laser Printers. Notedly, only the Okidata Printers did not show the Yellow Dots, but that is just one means of Steganographic Imprinting.
      Inkjet Printers seem at this point not to be bothered with, since for Counterfeiting purposes, which is where this all started, they are pretty lousy for a number of reasons, including the fact that the Dyes aren't "Baked" into the paper, so they run even just with sweaty palms, and they are very slooow.

    15. Re:PDFs too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're scans? The yellow dot rumor's been around for ages. Why weren't they leveled to B&W to smash the dots?

    16. Re:PDFs too? by Boronx · · Score: 1

      To a certain segment, Putin is more American than Obama.

      Did you see where Trump has taken credit for our erstwhile ally Saudi Arabia turning our important military ally Qatar? Where Centcom is located?

    17. Re:PDFs too? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Rumor? I knew of this for a fact in the 90s. Various scanning software and photo editing software has code to detect when you're scanning or editing currency, too.

    18. Re:PDFs too? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      The only equivalence is putting them both in jail. Both certainly deserve to be in jail for the remainder of their lives, so squabbling over the worse offender is pointless.

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  8. "Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a non-native english speaker, I ask: is this an actual, socially acceptable name in english-speaking countries? "Reality Winner", just like somebody who won a reality show?!

    1. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      As a non-native english speaker, I ask: is this an actual, socially acceptable name in english-speaking countries?

      It's socially acceptable. But it is a bit odd.

    2. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Some parents are cruel.

    3. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      her parents are probably hippies

    4. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I had a Filipino coworker who named his three kids after the letters X, Y and Z. Unless you were a Filipino, those names were unpronounceable.

    5. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No

    6. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some parents are cruel.

      Our parents were NOT cruel.

      [signed] Moon and Dweezil Zappa

    7. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      According to the radio, she changed it. Supposedly her name was Sara Leigh.

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    8. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised what some parents name their kids. I was once responsible for uploading baby photos and one of the names was "Secret Angel" (first and middle name). This was long ago enough that Secret would be a teen now. Knowing how kids are, I can't help but feel sorry for all of the teasing she probably gets over her name.

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    9. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Topwiz · · Score: 1

      I checked the US Census and as of 2010 there are 3,853 people with the last name Winner. The most babies named Reality in one year has been 17. I'm going to guess she is the only one with that combination.

      They should have given her the middle name Show.

    10. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      As a non-native english speaker, I ask: is this an actual, socially acceptable name in english-speaking countries? "Reality Winner", just like somebody who won a reality show?!

      You know those subtle clues that let you know you're actually living in the Matrix? Like the same cat walking by twice in a row?

      This is one of those -- except it's not a clue that we're living in The Matrix -- it's a clue that we're living in Idiocracy. Pass the Brawndo.

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    11. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently this person changed their own name.

      And yes, it's weird. Very weird.

      Still can't figure out how they didn't know about the dots. They're an anti-counterfeiting mark that the EFF had a well-known program to decode them not that long ago.

    12. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      [signed] Moon Unit, Diva, and Dweezil Zappa

      FTFY.

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    13. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does 'Realidad Vencedora' sounds better?

    14. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a non-native english speaker, I ask: is this an actual, socially acceptable name in english-speaking countries?

      It's socially acceptable. But it is a bit odd.

      "Internet Winner" would be better

    15. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by sconeu · · Score: 5, Funny

      She should have kept it. Remember, everybody doesn't like something, but nobody doesn't like Sara Leigh...

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    16. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by will_die · · Score: 2

      No laws on what you can name your kid, so almost anything goes. On one good note this was a name she had gone and legally changed her name to.

    17. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that changes things. That should have been a determining factor in her hiring. "Did your parents name you that?" "Yes, well ok then, they are dumb, let's move forward." "No? I'm sorry we don't intentionally hire people with poor decision making capabilities, maybe Walmart has an opening."

    18. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Informative

      As a non-native English speaker, I ask: is this an actual, socially acceptable name in English-speaking countries?

      Unlike, say, French, American English does not have a ruling body. It's whatever the speakers of it chose to say.

      That includes names. You can call your child or yourself anything you chose - as long as you do not do so to defraud.

      (My wife's career was blighted by an abusive father - a professor - who solicited name suggestions from his students. Though she is native born and a native speaker of American English, she missed out on a lot of job interviews because HR droids thought, from the name he hung on her, that she was a new immigrant who would have communication problems.)

      If you go through a legal name change you may run into issues with not being able to switch your name to something that amounts to a title of nobility (due to article 1 section 9 paragraph 8: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: ..."). Immigration had a history of misapplying that to strip things like "von" from immigrants' names as they filled out their paperwork.

      As for "socially acceptable", that depends on the prejudices of the particular social subgroups in question. Regardless of what they might think of neologisms labeling a person, any name from any established cultural group anywhere in the world is necessarily acceptable.

      If Frank Zappa can name his son "Dweezil" and his daughter "Moon Unit", it's easy to see that anything goes. B-)

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    19. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > No laws on what you can name your kid, so almost anything goes

      Her parents name her Sara.

    20. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      As a non-native english speaker, I ask: is this an actual, socially acceptable name in english-speaking countries? "Reality Winner", just like somebody who won a reality show?!

      In most English-speaking countries it is considered socially offensive to complain about people's names. It is not socially acceptable to covet the naming of other people's babies, or if they changed their name, their own sense of self.

      That's why the people doing it are also generally engaging in name-calling and other socially abhorrent behaviors. Polite people "don't go there." It is a basic and obvious matter of personal freedom.

    21. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mom once worked with identical twins: Pete, and Repete. Seriously!

      From what she said, they were of sufficient stature that they didn't have to worry about being picked on.

      RRK

    22. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I met Sgt Optimus Prime at Camp Stryker Iraq in 2007.

    23. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by haruchai · · Score: 1

      She should have kept it. Remember, everybody doesn't like something, but nobody doesn't like Sara Leigh...

      She probably got tired of people offering to eat her pie

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    24. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > is this an actual, socially acceptable name in english-speaking countries?

      Nope. She changed her name from Sara to "Reality". Maybe someone should ask her about that at some point.

    25. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      [signed] Moon Unit, Diva, and Dweezil Zappa

      That should read "Diva Muffin".

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    26. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      I was acquainted with three brothers named James, Jim and Jimmy. Yes, this was in Georgia.

    27. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In most English-speaking countries it is considered socially offensive to complain about people's names. It is not socially acceptable to covet the naming of other people's babies, or if they changed their name, their own sense of self.

      ...said one random liberal idiot whose name is probably something like Ocean Rainbow or Love Pyramid.

    28. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More The Truman Show than The Matrix

    29. Re: "Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh

      I can only speak (American) English, having failed French conjugations in middle school.

      And I thought her name was a joke initially. Without researching at all, my bet is - based solely on her name - she's the daughter of not dirt poor, but a blue collar mother who's a single mom who works as a waitress or @ Walmart to provide. Probably mom missed having the time to teach the girl right and wrong?

    30. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If you go through a legal name change you may run into issues with not being able to switch your name to something that amounts to a title of nobility..."
      Well then, best to start off with the Title then:
      Barron Trump

      (I'm another one with an unusual first name, which I rarely tell people about, even though it's been decades now. I was named after the Hotel that my Parents Honeymooned in, and where I was conceived...)
      (Thank God it wasn't a Trump Hotel...)

    31. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a, i, and sometimes y

    32. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Was this as a shibboleth for detecting fake Filipinos?

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    33. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      If you go through a legal name change you may run into issues with not being able to switch your name to something that amounts to a title of nobility

      So, you couldn't change your name to "Prince", for example?

      (Or was that his sage name, but not his "real" name? Wierdo music fuckwit.)

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    34. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a non-native english speaker, I ask: is this an actual, socially acceptable name in english-speaking countries?

      Since most of the other commenters are beating around the bush:

      No, it isn't socially acceptable. At best, it's a sign that you had hippie parents and didn't have the sense to change your name when you hit 18. At worst, it's a sign that you're mentally ill or ghetto trash.

    35. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its really suspicious to me, according to reporting she changed her name from Sarah to Reality. There is intelligence asymmetry so no reason to me why this whole thing couldn't be some kind completely false story. Take the antonyms of reality winner and you get fake loser. Taking the way the intercept handled this story it makes you wonder whether they believed it either. The information in the leaked report is lacking in detail and that makes it somewhat suspicious. Could this be a fake document used for ferreting out leakers. Did the NSA have a contractor hire someone with non standard beliefs for the purpose of feeding misinformation.

    36. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      So, you couldn't change your name to "Prince", for example?

      The "title of nobility' prohibition is on the Federal government. (I'm not sure whether it has been "incorporated" against the States.) Legal name changes are a state issue, and interpreting the law in the absence of binding precedent is a judge's call, which may result in far more than fifty different venues to shop. So your mileage may vary.

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    37. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      "If you go through a legal name change you may run into issues with not being able to switch your name to something that amounts to a title of nobility..."
      Well then, best to start off with the Title then:
      Barron Trump

      Are you saying that Trump's 11 year old offspring was originally named something other than "Baron" and had his name changed? B-)

      As I understand it, registering a name on a birth certificate is merely recording the name of the child, which was selected and applied by the parent(s), not the state granting a name TO a child.

      (That's also why things like immigration historic stripping "von"s and the like was a high-handed misapplication of law by low-ranking bureaucrats.)

      But IANAL If you're really interested in this, it might be worth the bux to consult one.

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    38. Re:"Reality Winner"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought for days that the person won on the show Celebrity Apprentice and it was Trump's fault.

  9. Trusting The Intercept? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While not everybody knows about the yellow dots, almost everybody involved with infosec does. How can The Intercept can be trusted to hold or publish any leakers' information securely?

    Was this one reporter who screwed up? Didn't he have a second person reviewing his work? Isn't there a team of people at The Intercept who discuss whistleblowing publications? Isn't anybody on such a team aware of digital privacy issues?

    This will be a huge loss if The Intercept becomes useless as it was basically founded to handle stories like this. But given that, how could the outcome have been so bad in this case?

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    1. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Possibly thought that anybody in infosec sending them this stuff would have already thought of that and cleaned or otherwise created a false trail. Still, i wonder if there is something they could get stuck with by destroying the originals that they get after transcribing them.

    2. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While not everybody knows about the yellow dots, almost everybody involved with infosec does. How can The Intercept can be trusted to hold or publish any leakers' information securely?

      Yeah, let's hand it to the pros: Wikileaks.

    3. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Possibly thought that anybody in infosec sending them this stuff would have already thought of that and cleaned or otherwise created a false trail. Still, i wonder if there is something they could get stuck with by destroying the originals that they get after transcribing them.

      Maybe this was a false trail and the real informant is still at large...

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    4. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by sims+2 · · Score: 2

      /. posted about it 11 years ago.
      https://yro.slashdot.org/story...

      I haven't seen much about it in a while so I suppose maybe people have just forgotten about it since then.

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    5. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by interkin3tic · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, I feel like the ruling party would have found her to burn at the stake no matter what efforts anyone took. They would have gone on a witch hunt all the while insisting they were the ones being hunted. By witches because they're too ignorant to understand the basics of the common English phrase.

      Heck, even under the relatively sane last administration, Snowden didn't seem to have much hope of remaining covert. He seems to have been extremely meticulous, careful, and well versed in remaining secret online, but still understood he would be caught once it dropped no matter what.

      Snowden was even more worried about detection, though I didn’t know it at the time. He expected to be quickly arrested and prevented from speaking for himself, and predicted that the government would use that silence to mischaracterize his intentions. To keep that from happening, Snowden decided to take a highly visible online stand against mass surveillance. Part of his plan included the petition website that he asked me to build.

      Evidently, Winner should have first fled to... fuck, I dunno where.

      Hopefully the next administration will be elected via actual democracy and can pardon her.

    6. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is exactly what "they" want you believe. The fact is "they" are not always wrong. The middlemen are simply fucking vultures for the most part. They will sell you out, rat you out, and every other "out" there is if they can save their own skin. These things don't exist to publicize atrocities, they exist to make profit on web hit advertisements!!! Please give them even more clicks!!! They LOVE it!!! fucking morons

    7. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      People screwed up, news at 11.

    8. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      He was framed, framed I tell you...

    9. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It takes exactly 1 oversight, don't be stupid and think YOU or anyone you know or could hire could completely defeat an investigation by 14 intelligence agencies combined...

    10. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      I remember reading that story. Thanks for the link!

    11. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by sheph · · Score: 0

      I can't think why. She took an oath to uphold our national security and compromised it to cause political mischief. Are we really any better off now that we've seen that document as a country? She committed treason, and regardless of how you feel about Trump you have to at least see the risk in leaking classified documents to the press. Imagine if someone had done this during the Obama administration. At least with Snowden you can argue there was significant public benefit to the disclosure. But with this? It's just one more thing for the media to speculate about which doesn't really mean much to any of us personally. It's a sideshow from real issues we face and gives our enemies ammunition against us. Way to go Reality. You really made a big difference.

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    12. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      She took an oath to uphold our national security and compromised it to cause political mischief.

      I would like to hear more on this subject sir.

      Way to go Reality. You really made a big difference.

      LOL

    13. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's official, the trump administration is officially at war with Reality!

    14. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by doom · · Score: 1

      At least with Snowden you can argue there was significant public benefit to the disclosure.

      You sure can, not that it stops some folks from sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "TRAITORTRAITORTRAITOR".

      But with this? It's just one more thing for the media to speculate about which doesn't really mean much to any of us personally.

      Personally, I've found it ridiculously difficult to get people to take the issues with electronic voting machines seriously. They tend to go for some version of "But it can't happen here" and "Conspiracy theory!" and skip away. If you work hard you can get them to say "well okay, we should probably improve that some time", then they go away and forget about until the next election is almost here.

      Any thing raises awareness of these issues is fine by me...

      (And you know... this is the first argument I've heard that could push people in the direction of dumping Pence as well as Trump. Just, as they say, saying.)

    15. Re:Trusting The Intercept? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      She fucked up hard, and is probably going to see a lot of jail time, but treason is very fucking specific, and the burden is pretty high. It was controversial to convict the Rosenbergs of treason, and they leaked nuclear secrets to the Russians. She leaked data that every sysadmin already knew, and there isn't even a foreign adversary that even gets any theoretical benefit from this.

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  10. Or by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

    Or, get this, they checked the printer logs. You think the NSA doesn't already have a log of every document that every device prints?

    SELECT user FROM printer_logs WHERE document_id = 'greased_up_yoda_doll.pdf'

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    1. Re:Or by DaHat · · Score: 1

      They did... and noticed 6 people had printed the doc, one of which was Miss Winner... who later confessed to being the one who mailed it.

    2. Re:Or by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      That's my point, they probably didn't need the microdots because they could already easily find which printer and when based on the document.

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  11. This wasn't the only way by Etcetera · · Score: 5, Informative

    While interesting, and certainly providing confirmation, this wasn't the primary mechanism that was used to track her down according to the affidaivat. Before even IDing a specific printer, they simply looked for someone that had printed it out, period.

    Internal auditing showed that only six employees had printed out the item in question. A search of the six computers showed that she had emailed The Intercept from her work computer (and that no one else had). Coded metadata just backs it up, but it's dumber than that.

    1. Re:This wasn't the only way by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How can someone work for the NSA and NOT be aware that they track everything? If I was an NSA leaker, I certainly wouldn't be e-mailing my leaks from my work computer/e-mail account. I'd set up a throwaway account (and even then would be looking over my shoulder every second).

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    2. Re:This wasn't the only way by Train0987 · · Score: 2

      "How can someone work for the NSA and NOT be aware that they track everything?" Maybe she assumed her employer would be OK with it. Such are the times we live in. They did give her a security clearance even though there's a ton of stuff in her background that would have disqualified her back when I went through the process.

    3. Re:This wasn't the only way by MangoCats · · Score: 0

      I'm not seeing how printing is even the method of choice - wouldn't storing this on a USB drive or cell phone be preferable? If you can see it on the screen you can photograph it.

    4. Re:This wasn't the only way by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      I don't know about her office, but some government offices don't allow USB drives or cell phones into the workplace, and such devices can be destroyed if they are brought in.

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    5. Re:This wasn't the only way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup.

      As much as the 'steganographic' angle is interesting here, especially from the Intercept and their lack of sanitization.... I'm more concerned with the fact that an NSA contractor was dumb enough to email out Classified information, from their work computer, presumably thinking they wouldn't be caught. This has me wondering if there's a bit of nepotism, friend of a friend getting people into the NSA, that likely shouldn't.

      The lack of OpSec being displayed here is well, frightening.

    6. Re:This wasn't the only way by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      The printout itself was not exfiltrated. It was re-scanned and emailed.

    7. Re:This wasn't the only way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      One of my old employers was terrified of leaks, so all the keyboards and mice were PS/2. The USB ports were disabled as well, both in software and a health dose of, as best I could tell, caulk.

    8. Re:This wasn't the only way by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Diversity hire. Someone with her background definitely should not have received a Top Secret clearance.

    9. Re:This wasn't the only way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can someone work for the NSA and NOT be aware that they track everything?

      Math is difficult. /barbievoice

    10. Re:This wasn't the only way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not seeing how printing is even the method of choice - wouldn't storing this on a USB drive or cell phone be preferable? If you can see it on the screen you can photograph it.

      I am guessing you have not been in a SCIF before. No electronic items allowed in/out.

    11. Re:This wasn't the only way by dunkindave · · Score: 4, Informative

      How can someone work for the NSA and NOT be aware that they track everything?

      She didn't work for the NSA; so was employed by a contractor that provides classified translation services, and apparently for that work had access to the NSA's network (either NSANet or JWICS since SIPRnet is only secret). Not realizing they track shows she isn't terribly bright.

      If I was an NSA leaker, I certainly wouldn't be e-mailing my leaks from my work computer/e-mail account. I'd set up a throwaway account (and even then would be looking over my shoulder every second).

      OK, she is VERY dumb. And I agree with your tactics - as a good first measure, but nowhere near all I would do.

    12. Re:This wasn't the only way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      She didn't email the leak, she physically mailed the document. The email from the work computer (which used her personal GMail account) to the Intercept was over an unrelated topic, a transcript for a podcast. Ultimately it showed she had a connection to the publication. The microdots were icing on the cake.

    13. Re:This wasn't the only way by Etcetera · · Score: 2

      Epoxy is typically used to plug up ports. That's not a horrible idea restricting things to PS/2 keyboards and mice though... Certainly safer than letting badUSB load.

    14. Re:This wasn't the only way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe she wasn't as worried as all that about getting caught. You know sometimes people just can't stomach the lying anymore and say "to hell with it". The question you should ask is why is US public discourse so bad that she felt it necessary to even leak this? My recollection is that it was already known that there were actual hacking attempts by the Russians just before election day, just that they were not successful. So this NSA document does not reveal anything fundamentally new. It's just that the Trump administration and its toadies are so loudly denying objective reality that some people just can't take it.

    15. Re:This wasn't the only way by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Perhaps she wasn't in a technical role, which would explain layers upon layers of horribad opSec.

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    16. Re:This wasn't the only way by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Discussing the tacking dost has merit, as it is something anybody interested in IT security should know. But I agree, her primary mistakes were a) printing it without a credible cover-story for that and b) emailing the Intercept from her _work_ computer. Each one of these would have been enough to catch her fast.

      Bad security will bite you, sometimes badly. That is what happened here. Of course, her primary purpose is achieved and laudable, but she will have to pay an unreasonably high price for doing the right thing.

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    17. Re:This wasn't the only way by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 3, Informative

      USB drives should set off monitoring alerts. Plugging in a cell phone to charge, to a USB port, will likely get both devices confiscated. If the employer is following the rules. Portable electronic devices should not be allowed anywhere that has potential connections to secret information. Metal detectors and all.

      There should be a review of internet logs, which would have revealed personal email access as described here. Most likely it was overlooked as harmless, or it happened to match a local exception set up as requested.

      You people have no idea how this stuff works. It's free on disa.mil and private enterprise can implement most of these security protocols themselves.

      It's not 100% foolproof, and its a lot easier to identity a leaker than to stop it. But you need to do a lot of reading before commenting on this stuff.

    18. Re:This wasn't the only way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      only six employees had printed out the item in question

      Only six? I worked in several classified environments and one rarely printed anything classified. If you did, it typically went in the burn bin that evening.

    19. Re:This wasn't the only way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can someone work for the NSA and NOT be aware that they track everything? If I was an NSA leaker, I certainly wouldn't be e-mailing my leaks from my work computer/e-mail account. I'd set up a throwaway account (and even then would be looking over my shoulder every second).

      Why should your employees' location matter, when given the comments you hear on /. we don't have to be NSA-underlings to be monitored up the wazoo already? : )
      If you were the NSA, your snooping would at least be such that even homemade throwaway email account generation would be tracked... with the explicit consent of the top x % of email providers, even.

    20. Re:This wasn't the only way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was exactly my thought.

    21. Re:This wasn't the only way by borcharc · · Score: 1

      I agree the microdots had nothing to do with her arrest. The main thing that made the case is when she was confronted, she admitted to everything. Everything before that is circumstantial. She very well may have been proved to have printed it. But proving that she leaked or even removed it is another matter all togeather. It is a perfectly reasonable explanation that she printed the document to review on paper and it was stolen from her desk or from whatever document destruction process they follow. It's easy to come up with reasonable doubt. Criminal cases are very hard and that's a good thing, but not when you confess when confronted.

    22. Re:This wasn't the only way by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 2

      How can someone work for the NSA and NOT be aware that they track everything?

      One, she was a linguist, not a spook. Highly specialized individuals are often obtuse in matters outside their areas of expertise. If I needed brain surgery, I'd eagerly seek out the brilliant neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson. Likewise, I'd probably trust Ms. Winner to accurately translate a five-party Farsi dialogue in real time. I wouldn't want either of them advising me on matters of, say, agricultural food storage or information security.

      Two, she was a contractor. The curriculum and rigor of the on-boarding process at Pluribus are unknown quantities to us. Contracting is a big fucking problem, and it's not going to get any better as long as there are politicians determined to privatize and profiteer from essential government functions.

      Finally, her age is of some relevance. She's young enough to have grown up in a world where "everything is tracked" has been normal for most of her life. The ubiquitous and commonplace are far easier to gloss over and forget: when was the last time you really noticed a cell tower? Training is required to overcome complacency. This, too, is a problem that will only get worse. People give me funny looks when I tell them I've never had a pizza delivered, yet think nothing of giving away their most personal of data in exchange for a few more gems on the latest iPhone game.

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    23. Re:This wasn't the only way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "fluency in Middle Eastern languages"

    24. Re:This wasn't the only way by Xest · · Score: 1

      I'd be intrigued to know pray tell how the hell a translator working for a contractor is going to "create a throwaway account" anyway?

      What is this Hollywood? I thought it was a tech site, but what utter drivel. It shows a distinct lack of knowledge of IT security and someone apparently thinks they're Mr Super hacker from teh hollywoodz! who has seen how they do it on TV!

      The fact is in large organisations like the NSA even things like creating user accounts is audited, it's not just some throwaway thing you can do on a whim as an average user, and to edit the audit logs or disable the auditing is in itself going to require audited access.

      There's a reason Snowden ran away before releasing anything, and why Manning got caught. You have to be really hot shit to get this stuff out without triggering audit entries, and that typically means doing something like technically exploiting system accounts to do your bidding for you, to embed malicious code at a lower level than auditing can take place, not creating made up accounts as doing that in itself means you're leaving a piece of information that can be used to try and track you. Even if you're a system administrator what you do will be tracked and audited, or will require multiple users to perform sensitive actions so it's not even as simple as just getting the right job.

      You can't learn how to exploit an organisation like the NSA from watching Hollywood movies and TV for crying out loud. It's a little more complex than that and "I'd set up a throwaway account" is just child like "Look at me I'm so cleverzzz!!!!1111" thinking that bears no resemblance to actually successfully exfiltrating information like this. People who think like that and believe that shit are exactly as stupid as this girl, and inevitably the people who get themselves caught because they think they're smarter than everyone else and know exactly what they're doing, but ultimately are just as stupid as the next guy, and just as easy to apprehend. Fortunately the media is dumb enough to not get it either, so even when Mr Stupid does get caught he'll still get his 5 minutes of fame as NSA Super hacker Mr Stupid plastered all over the front pages.

    25. Re:This wasn't the only way by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      She's a criminal. Criminals often do dumb things and get caught. Just think of all the leakers we've had and this is the first one they've managed to catch? They're a joke... "They couldn't catch a cold." This one was from Georgia? Really? Maybe everyone covers everyone else in Washington? Worse than when GW Bush was President. His top secret stuff had a life of about 5 days I understand.

    26. Re:This wasn't the only way by swillden · · Score: 1

      How can someone work for the NSA and NOT be aware that they track everything? If I was an NSA leaker, I certainly wouldn't be e-mailing my leaks from my work computer/e-mail account. I'd set up a throwaway account (and even then would be looking over my shoulder every second).

      Really, Snowden's approach is the only smart one. The odds of being able to leak without being caught are close to zero, so if you're going to leak, you should (a) go big -- get lots of data -- and (b) get out, to a country that won't hand you back.

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    27. Re:This wasn't the only way by swillden · · Score: 1

      Diversity hire. Someone with her background definitely should not have received a Top Secret clearance.

      What in her background indicated that she shouldn't get a TS clearance?

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    28. Re:This wasn't the only way by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Plugging in a cell phone to charge, to a USB port, will likely get both devices confiscated.

      Carrying a fucking cell phone onto a "secure" site should be a "detain and investigate" event. And how would people know? Because it'd be fucking obvious when you step out of the changing lockers in your pocket-free close-fitting coveralls and go through the metal detector that restricts entry to the "secure" part of the site.

      Or was this not actually a very secure site?

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    29. Re:This wasn't the only way by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Very true. People have criticized Snowden for fleeing the country, but there were whistle blowers before him who tried to go through the normal channels. They found themselves framed for crimes and placed under arrest while the information they tried to bring to light was buried. Had Snowden gone the usual route, he'd have faced the same fate. Fleeing the country was the only way to ensure that his information got out.

      You can debate whether or not the information getting out was a good or bad thing, but if he thought leaking this information was good for the American people, then fleeing was the only way to ensure that it happened. I'm not anywhere close to "handles classified materials" and don't know what I'd do if I was presented with a Snowden/Winner situation. (Since I have a family, probably keep my mouth shut since I would need to think of the safety of my wife and kids as well as my own.)

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    30. Re:This wasn't the only way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if she fixed the dot problem there is printer history. If she solved the printer problem all snail mail envelopes are scanned and saved. If she used a bogus return address there are cameras at most post offices. How many of those blue mail boxes are out there anymore?

    31. Re:This wasn't the only way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with pizza, does the NSA put micro chips in the box or something?

    32. Re:This wasn't the only way by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with pizza, does the NSA put micro chips in the box or something?

      I believe the current position of the USG is that transmitters are reserved for microwave pizza...

      With regards to delivery, pizza parlor customer lists were one of the first sources of corporate data to be bought, raided, mined, and abused by everyone from ambulance chasers to the CIA. Want to find someone inside the United States, even if they chucked their cellphone into the Potomac and haven't touched their credit cards in 6 months? There's a good chance they've had a pizza delivered recently. If Jeff Sessions knew how many former fugitives are sitting in prison because they ordered a pizza to their hideout using their real name, he'd appoint Papa John as head of the Marshals Service.

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  12. BTK Killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember this is how they caught the BTK killer too, he had printed a letter to police from a church office.

    1. Re:BTK Killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      meta data on the floppy

  13. Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the last hour I've been trying to figure out the leakers name and what reality show they won.

    1. Re:Am I the only one? by Hentai007 · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the future, Conan.

    2. Re:Am I the only one? by Headw1nd · · Score: 2

      In The Year Two Thouuuusand....

    3. Re:Am I the only one? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      It's not just you. One of the headlines on Google News right up top was "Who is Reality Winner?" I kept wondering why Google News would put reality TV show news at the top of my feed. "I don't care who won the latest Reality TV show... Just tell me about the NSA leaking story." It's like a bad version of Who's On First.

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  14. It was inevitable by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    Once they figured out that the document was taken all they had to do was look and see who accessed the document. They did that and showed that 6 people printed the document. They did a forensic scan of all 6 desktops and found that one had a record of emailing the Intercept.

    She was busted without needing the microdots at all. The only thing the microdots did was nail her ass to the wall. It was her own stupidity that put her against the wall to begin with.

    1. Re:It was inevitable by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      And to think she worked for an Intel contractor. No wonder Russia, China and all these other people eat our lunch. The entire Intel community is incompetent. They leak like a sieve.

    2. Re:It was inevitable by onyxruby · · Score: 1

      I would really hope your wrong, however I have a bad feeling your not....

    3. Re:It was inevitable by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The Russia and China people deep in the US gov/mil for generations don't print documents. They shape and create US policy.

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    4. Re:It was inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would really hope your wrong, however I have a bad feeling your not....

      *MY* what?

    5. Re:It was inevitable by bongey · · Score: 1

      Yep and I hope she gets 10 years to make an example of her. Nothing like a SJW going to jail for 10 years. Don't know how the TS clearance review missed all her anti-US public posts. Nevermind , now I do , they needed more women to meet a quota.

  15. She's also a blonde by known_coward_69 · · Score: 0

    I was shocked at first when I saw her photo, but now it all makes sense

    1. Re:She's also a blonde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too saw her photo and immediately decided: "I'd tap that".

    2. Re:She's also a blonde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too saw her photo and immediately decided: "I'd tap that".

      She's a very nice looking woman, and the type I'd fall for in a heartbeat. Not beautiful, but nice.
      However, I'm not convinced she'd let herself be "tapped".
      And now, she'll probably be out of reach for a long time.

    3. Re:She's also a blonde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She's Donald Trump's type (blonde and young and capable of urinating), so probably won't be out of reach.

  16. Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure... it was the yellow dots - not her confession on a Saturday.
    Please stop with speculative nonsense stories.

    Even the arstechnica story cited says:
    "The U.S. Government Agency conducted an internal audit to determine who accessed the intelligence reporting since its publication. The U.S. Government Agency determined that six individuals printed this reporting. WINNER was one of these six individuals. A further audit of the six individuals' desk computers revealed that WINNER had e-mail contact with the News Outlet. The audit did not reveal that any of the other individuals had e-mail contact with the News Outlet."

    Yes, the document was watermarked - and shame on the Intercept for not catching it and removing it - but it's not necessarily the way she was caught.

    1. Re:Fake news by gweihir · · Score: 1

      She should have made a manual screenshot with a camera. (I have done that for "locked down" customer systems when I needed to document things. With authorization, of course.) Then this should have been copied by manually typing it in again. I guess people are just too stuck in their regular ideas about "workflow".

      A shame, but at least this way future leakers will be more careful.

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  17. List of Printers Which Do or Do Not Display Dots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    List of Printers Which Do or Do Not Display Tracking Dots

    https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-display-tracking-dots

  18. Not the Dots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are several articles on this. One of stories says the investigators called up everyone who printed the document, it was only a few people. They checked emails and found the individual among the few that had accessed/printed and had email contact with the news agency that had the leaked document. No dots forensic need be required if there are print/access logs. So while the dots make for a more sensational story it may not have been the dots that actually caught the leaker.

  19. So, how fake is this fake fake news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, the Intercept... founded by our dear friend Pierre Omidyar.. Of course they have no agenda.

    *Leaker leaks fake planted documents*

    Gee? How old is that trick?

  20. EFF decoded them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The EFF decoded the dots years ago.

  21. Server Logs Busted This Idiot, Not Dots by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    This story makes quite a bit about "hidden" printer steganography. But the real way this idiot got caught was from server access and printer logs. The spooks narrowed it down to six people, only one of which had contact with the Intercept.

    How is it this person had a top secret clearance in the first place? She is "nice to look at"...

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    1. Re:Server Logs Busted This Idiot, Not Dots by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. She made plenty of really basic mistakes. I find it hard to believe a contractor for the NSA would be that degree of uninformed / ignorant to the consequences and / or security.

    2. Re:Server Logs Busted This Idiot, Not Dots by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Part of it is that the NSA collects so much data that they have to lower their standards to get enough manpower to handle all of it.

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    3. Re:Server Logs Busted This Idiot, Not Dots by gweihir · · Score: 1

      The mistake is not hers. The mistake is on the side of the Intercept. Sources usually do not know and cannot reasonably be expected to know how to protect themselves.

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    4. Re:Server Logs Busted This Idiot, Not Dots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mistake!!! The mistake she made was committing a crime, do people here want to help criminals. Leaking secret documents is criminal! Off to jail with her and the intercept and anyone else who chooses to be criminals. At what was she exposing some amazing secret that reveals something no body knew about, no just a report that happened to be marked secret. Possibly such a report could be published she was just not the person who was allowed to make that decision. Something is wrong with this whole forum where everybody is figuring out ways to commit the crime without being caught.

    5. Re:Server Logs Busted This Idiot, Not Dots by gweihir · · Score: 2

      You are confused. "The Law" is not a description of "right" and "wrong".

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  22. Re:List of Printers Which Do or Do Not Display Dot by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't bet my freedom on it.

  23. now you know why she changed here name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is obviously either fake news OR a fake person they are saying got caught

  24. visual appearance of clearance holders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think that there's much difference in appearance between holders of clearances and those who don't. I suppose physical attractiveness might have some correlation to things that are important in the clearance getting process:
    1) if you are "the Elephant Man" and in a locked basement all the time, you'll have fewer potential connections to investigate
    conversely,
    2) clearance investigations are all about figuring out what kind of person you are from talking to people who know you. Attractive people know more people, so there's more people to talk to about their activities.
    and then
    3) is attractiveness correlated to participating in activities that make you "not clearable"? yeah, the mugshots of people arrested for meth sales are often pretty unattractive, but then, those people probably aren't applying for clearances int he first place.

  25. your screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they all can do watermarks they can even detect when you place money in them and will mess your printer up in ways you take it in the repair guy knows what you been up too

    also adobe photoshop post version 7 isalso in on this

    they got all the angles covered

    you need to go back to xp days hardware and software to be um er safer

  26. Yes - put in to stop counterfeiters by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

    IIRC, they put this tech in to stop counterfeiters from printing HQ currency with color laser printers. At least this invasive, Big Brother-like technology was used for a good purpose this time.

    1. Re:Yes - put in to stop counterfeiters by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      That's the stated rationale, but I suspect that inkjet counterfeiters are not a serious problem.

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    2. Re:Yes - put in to stop counterfeiters by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Where are they going to get the plastic stock, with the internal embossed holograms?

      Or, do you use deliberately insecure currency?

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  27. If she had just... by Bodhammer · · Score: 1, Funny

    If she had just put the documents down her pants like the Sandy Burger did, this would be a much more interesting story!

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  28. Wikileaks by zedaroca · · Score: 1

    People never got caught because of them.
    They share the whole thing and even work with newspapers that stab them in the back.

  29. check SchneierFacts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I always check SchneierFacts
    https://www.schneierfacts.com/

  30. Easy solution: Scan with a yellow backlight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in the day, we used a scanner with a red light instead of white to scan in forms printed with red ink. This way only the handwritten information would be scanned in, making the files smaller.

    Using a yellow backlight should eliminate any such watermark--providing only yellow is used.

    RRK

  31. You're also a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was shocked at first when I read your post, but now it all makes sense.

  32. Re:List of Printers Which Do or Do Not Display Dot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    List of Printers Which Do or Do Not Display Tracking Dots

    https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-display-tracking-dots

    A very limited list.

  33. Yellow paper might not work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Printing on yellow paper might not work, as the dye in the paper might reflect different parts of the spectrum than the dye in the printer ink (or pigment; not sure if this was color laser or ink jet). Exposing the paper to specific wavelengths of light (much more narrow than that produced by a blue LED) could still bring out the dots that came from the printer.

    Another solution (and I welcome attacks on this idea) would be to print on paper on which you had previously printed random yellow dot patterns covering the entire page, from the same make/model of printer, but of course not on the NSA's network where every job is logged.

    1. Re:Yellow paper might not work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another solution (and I welcome attacks on this idea) would be to print on paper on which you had previously printed random yellow dot patterns covering the entire page, from the same make/model of printer, but of course not on the NSA's network where every job is logged.

      When printed, the coded dots would be reinforced on the previously printed dots [it's a grid pattern after all]. That would yield a different signature.

    2. Re: Yellow paper might not work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would also have to make sure the second pass of printing reeeeeeally lines up with the first one. Being off by even just a mm could still be detected with a simple magnifying glass.

  34. Fail by mrflash818 · · Score: 1

    The Intercept team inadvertently exposed its source because the copy showed fold marks that indicated it had been printed -- and it included encoded watermarking that revealed exactly when it had been printed and on what printer. T

    Failed to protect a source?!

    Could have run it through GIMP, or a POS copier, converting to black-and-white, and messing with contrast settings, cropping out anywhere not needed, and vetting the images with a team of in-house experts before publication.

    Could have faxed it low-rez, black-and-white, within the news office, to another in-house fax, and used the poor-quality fax image in publication, to also help wipe any tracers.

    Ugh!

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    1. Re:Fail by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. But these are all low-cost, low security approaches, as more sophisticated watermarks exist. What you want to do is manually copy the text by typing it in again if you want to be really sure. Even OCRing it has risks as some watermarks can survive that.

      The really bad thing is that the yellow dots are a really old and well-known security measure introduced with digital color copiers to allow the tracing of counterfeit paper money to the machine it was printed on.

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    2. Re:Fail by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      Even the re-type method could be tracked. I'm sure a computer system could be constructed to dynamically paraphrase sections of text when anyone who was not the original author requested it. Then if anything leaked, the forensics people check the word choice against a log of the paraphrases served to anyone who accessed the document. (This is basically a Tom Clancy idea but "with computers," so maybe it's patentable.)

      The NSA uses more than one leak detection protocol as seen by the printer dots and the print-out logging. You'd have to defeat all the leak detection methods simultaneously.

  35. dang it, wanted to test it out.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol, i have the one HP with a no.

    On the other hand, it is the biggest, noisiest beast for what you get when you eventually get it. Also old enough HP doesn't even make toner anymore and they don't give up easily :(

  36. Re:Just Dangerously Careless by Koby77 · · Score: 1

    She should have just openly taken a copy of the document, posted it to her private server, and demanded the Hillary treatment!

  37. Can trace points be faked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remove the originals, then put some other pattern. This opens up a new level of trolling posibility. So you can annoy someone at the other side of the world?

  38. Re:List of Printers Which Do or Do Not Display Dot by slew · · Score: 1

    List of Printers Which Do or Do Not Display Tracking Dots

    https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-display-tracking-dots

    FWIW, there is a strong belief that in black and white, similar data is encoded steganographically.

    As an example as to how that can be accomplished, intrinsically, all common laser printers exhibit banding artifacts. A horizontal projection of the printed image followed by some frequency analysis shows characteristic peaks created by the gear-train mechanisms. Careful modulation of the micro-feeds with steganographic encoded data can introduce other embedded frequency peaks that appear as common intrinsic banding artifacts.

    Even without embedded stegano data, a forensic fingerprint of the printer's banding can be usually extracted from a BW printed document and compared to the one confiscated with a search warrant. Of course a sparse text page makes the signal harder to extract in BW, but a few well place border lines, or an embedded continuous tone image (which can have additional embedded signals placed into it via the half-toning algorithm on the printer) would make it a dead-giveaway.

  39. Classic redirection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All this talk about how the documents were leaked and very little talk about what is in them. The Russians hacked our voting machines! That is the story here.

    1. Re: Classic redirection by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Someone, appearing to be in Russia, sent spear phishing emails to election officials, about 100 of them. None of those attempts we're successful.

      You can untwist the knot in your knickers.

      That is all that was confirmed.

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  40. Re:Just Dangerously Careless by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that's not what Hillary did.

  41. Throw away the key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These leakers need to get a clear message that it is not acceptable, this kind of breach of secrecy must be punished. I think they should also sanction the register for publishing what was known to be a secret document. Like sue them for damages or something. We seem to have a disease and unless they start addressing it more seriously it will not stop.

    1. Re:Throw away the key by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I agree that it will not stop. As long as decent people are around, information that the government would keep secret to hide its dirty laundry will get leaked. Fortunately, no government in history has ever managed to get rid of decent people, despite most of them having tried.

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    2. Re: Throw away the key by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Umm... What, exactly, do you believe she leaked?

      I am kinda confused here. Did you actually read what was leaked? If not, you might want to. If so, I'm even more confused by your response.

      The summary, someone using IP addresses in Russia sent spear phishing emails, the day before the election, to about 100 election officials. None were successful. The NSA knows this much.

      That's what the email contained.

      Err... I'm not sure what more to tell you. I'm quite baffled by your response to this and thinking one of us may not actually have paid enough attention. I admit, that could be me. However, it doesn't actually say, or imply, more than that. At least not as far as I know.

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    3. Re: Throw away the key by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Oh, this one was clearly naive both about what she leaked and how to do it. That does not negate the motivation.

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    4. Re: Throw away the key by KGIII · · Score: 1

      She didn't leak any dirty laundry. Well, not our dirty laundry, at any rate. It's pretty much the most pointless leak ever. I am unable to think of a more pointless leak. There probably are a few, I just can't think of them.

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  42. This is a pretty bad mess-up by gweihir · · Score: 1

    The worst thing is not only that the Intercept was exceptionally careless, the worst thing is that this specific attack technique has been known for decades. It is used in color-printers to detect what machine paper-money (e.g.) was copied or printed on. My guess is this use here was just a side-effect.

    Lets hope the Intercept fixes their act and goes back to manual copying (i.e. typing it in) for things where their sources really need to be protected.

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  43. Re:List of Printers Which Do or Do Not Display Dot by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Moral: Never publish an analog copy made by an untrusted device. There is just too much unused bandwidth that can be used to embed something.

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  44. FREE WINNER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There I said it. Now everyone talking shit about the law can go fuck yourself. FREE WINNER! IMPEACH LITTLE FINGERS! CAFEFE BITCHES!

  45. For those who don't already know about it by Trogre · · Score: 2

    Here is the EFF's guide on yellow dots.

    And it's not in any way limited to Xerox.

    You can test it yourself by photographing a piece of paper from a suspect printer, loading it into the GIMP and showing just the blue channel. The "yellow" dots will show up as a darker shade of blue than the surrounding page.

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  46. Diff between HRC and reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was going to ask 'shoulda arrested Hillary,' but your post made a very good point.

    Gawd I will was clever enough to make Reality jokes...

  47. Re:Just Dangerously Careless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, she just had uncleared people print everything for her.

  48. Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The document wasn't scanned at high enough resolution to properly show the yellow dots. They are single pixels.

  49. Winning by nsaspook · · Score: 1

    Winner, Winner Chicken dinner.

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  50. Re:Just Dangerously Careless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may be interested to hear that Hillary lost the election and is no longer in any position of power. Perhaps you'd like to talk about the guy in the White House, or does he embarrass you so much that Hillary is still your only talking point?

  51. Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Print Greyscale. Fax. Print Greyscale %80 size.

  52. Re:List of Printers Which Do or Do Not Display Dot by alexo · · Score: 1

    Some of the documents that we previously received through FOIA suggested that all major manufacturers of color laser printers entered a secret agreement with governments to ensure that the output of those printers is forensically traceable.

    Moral: Buy Chinese.

  53. They were stupid by aepervius · · Score: 1

    That is why you photocopy with a black and white rough copier (say 10-15 years old) all documents and use that to be published. After that your yellow dots are invisible.

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  54. Post is incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leak revealed alleged hacking.. I don't see the word alleged in the post. Bad form, op.

  55. DIY Spycraft by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    Leaker could have had built one of theseand went about leakers daily business for weeks with it in his breast pocket, raising no suspicions whatsoever.

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  56. From the search warrant by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    The yellow dots theory is interesting, but The Intercept shared a copy with the government, which I presume was a scan or a photocpy of the original. Maybe their scanners & copiers are much better than mine but those yellow dots are really tiny. Would they survive a scan or photcopy intact?

    Check out this copy of the search warrant which discusses a different method of how they identified her:

    https://d3vv6lp55qjaqc.cloudfr...

    Starting on page 11, they describe:

    "Government Agency conducted an internal audit to determine who had accessed the intelligence reporting since its publication ... determined that six individuals had printed this reporting"

    "A further audit of the six individuals' desk computers revealed that WINNER had e-mail contact with the news outlet."

    Sounds like they saw a crease in the copy provided by TI which clued them in that it was a printer & identified her from there.

  57. Re:List of Printers Which Do or Do Not Display Dot by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    As an example as to how that can be accomplished, intrinsically, all common laser printers exhibit banding artifacts.

    Unnecessarily complicated. For a document sent as text+layout information, then you could do things like messing with the horizontal character spacing to encode data. For images, ... hmm, that's harder. But I'm sure still doable.

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  58. Printing != sharing by gmiller123456 · · Score: 1

    Overall the dots don't really prove any wrongdoing. Just because someone printed it, doesn't mean they're the one who took it and mailed it to someone who shouldn't have it.