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The Internet Of Things Is Becoming More Difficult To Escape (npr.org)

An anonymous reader writes: After a long day, many of us try to set down our technology and unplug from the world around us. But, according to a new report by the Pew Research Center and Elon University's Imagining the Internet Center, over the next few years, that will become much more difficult to do. The Internet of things will continue to spread between now and 2026, until human and machine connectivity becomes ubiquitous and unavoidably present, according to experts who participated in what Pew described as a "nonscientific canvassing." About 1,200 participants were asked: "As automobiles, medical devices, smart TVs, manufacturing equipment and other tools and infrastructure are networked, is it likely that attacks, hacks or ransomware concerns in the next decade will cause significant numbers of people to decide to disconnect, or will the trend toward greater connectivity of objects and people continue unabated?" The answers they gave were telling: 15 percent said significant numbers of people would disconnect while 85 percent said most people would just move more deeply into connected life. Unplugging is futile, and plugging in is unavoidable. It's already difficult to create distance from the technology that surrounds us, but as connectivity increases, it might become impossible to do so.

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  1. Oh, BULLSHIT! by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not 'unavoidable' in any way shape or form and this whole story is complete and utter BULLSHIT. You do not have to BUY ANY 'IoT' things AT ALL to start with, and you do not HAVE to use them, either.

    1. Re:Oh, BULLSHIT! by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      I agree. Simply refusing to pay for the service will get you disconnected. However, companies are actively pushing these things. I worked for a major (at the time) appliance manufacturer. Why would anyone want their stove, clothes washer, or refrigerator connected to the internet? The lame excuses preferred simply boggle the mind with their stupidity (so you don't have to wait for your oven to warm up when you get home? Really? So you'll know when your clothes are finished washing? Want I know when the crappy washer stops banging around trying to throw itself apart?) And yet, there was a whole engineering team devoted to this joke. And they are organizing it so that you have to be connected to get software updates for your appliance to keep working. You will be assimilated, or you'll have to wash your clothes with a 20 yr old machine.

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    2. Re:Oh, BULLSHIT! by geekmux · · Score: 2

      It's not 'unavoidable' in any way shape or form and this whole story is complete and utter BULLSHIT. You do not have to BUY ANY 'IoT' things AT ALL to start with, and you do not HAVE to use them, either.

      The proliferation of IoT in damn near every device around you is exactly why this whole story is NOT bullshit. Even if YOU choose to not to participate, you WILL become part of the bigger monitored world, whether you like it or not.

      And the more YOU choose not to participate in a society that desires and demands interconnected citizens, the more YOU will become a monitored anomaly. The analogy today would be refusing to wash your body or wear deodorant on a regular basis; certain actions make it rather easy to find the outlier.

    3. Re:Oh, BULLSHIT! by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You will be assimilated, or you'll have to wash your clothes with a 20 yr old machine.

      And in a stroke of irony, that 20yr old machine will probably still last longer than a brand new IoT connected machine.

      And that right there is the trick. Until IoT is legally mandated by the government (and I hope that is a long way off, but we all know some kind of connection will eventually be required on things like cars), stick to older cars and older appliances. Get yourself a Jeep, Subaru, Volvo, etc-a car that can run for decades, and barring any bad luck you can avoid a connected cars for years. Ditto for appliances-fridge, drip coffee maker, oven, microwave, etc; unless you have some desire to always have the latest and greatest, any of these should last you a long time as well (again, barring any bad luck)

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    4. Re:Oh, BULLSHIT! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      And they are organizing it so that you have to be connected to get software updates for your appliance to keep working.

      I know they are angling that way...BUT, in my whole adult life, I've yet to have had an appliance (stove, oven, refrigerator, deep freezer, washer, dryer, dishwaher, garbage disposal...etc) to have ever stopped working due to lacking a software update?!?!

      Mechanical failures, sure....but what software update would be needed to simply continue to wash, cool, cook or dry something?

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    5. Re:Oh, BULLSHIT! by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What do I need cruise control for? Because my foot gets cramped sometimes on a 3 hour trip and I'd like to be able to change the position of my right leg/foot. ;-)

      Why are there some people (like you apparently) who INSIST that you either immediately adopt ALL new technology, OR you're a Luddite, rejecting ALL technology? Why is it so hard for people like you to understand that some of us use technology WE feel is appropriate for our needs/desires/uses, and the heck with the rest of it? I need a car or pickup truck that is good at being a car/pickup truck, not a rolling Lifestyle/Fashion Statement/Entertainment Center. I find all that crap distractiing and annoying, and by the way just more expensive junk to break down and make my life miserable when it does. Give me a vehicle that is RELIABLE, with a decent stereo, and climate controls that work, and I'm happy.

    6. Re:Oh, BULLSHIT! by Gavagai80 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Xfinity free wifi is only free after you enter your customer login, which your TV will not have. Unsecured wifi networks are rare, and 95% of those that exist only appear unsecured but actually throw up a login page when you connect.

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    7. Re:Oh, BULLSHIT! by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why would anyone want their stove, clothes washer, or refrigerator connected to the internet? The lame excuses preferred simply boggle the mind with their stupidity (so you don't have to wait for your oven to warm up when you get home? Really? So you'll know when your clothes are finished washing? Want I know when the crappy washer stops banging around trying to throw itself apart?)

      To you, they seem silly. To the busy mom or parents, they are a godsend.

      Preheating an oven can easily be a 20+ minute affair (I timed it hungry for a pizza one day). Having the option of dropping by the supermarket, picking up a pizza and having the oven ready when you get home so you can shove it in there and do other things while it cooks is something a lot of people do. And when it's finished cooking, you're ready to serve. Sure you could've waited another 20 minutes, but then it's go home, turn on the oven, do stuff until it beeps 20 minutes later, then shove it in the oven, do more stuff and then take it out is an inconvenience and an interruption (i.e., having to stop what they're doing to put the food in the oven after it's finished preheating).

      Sure, maybe you don't mind doing it - after all, what's an interruption to whatever you're doing? You only just got into the zone after all. And then there's the parents who have hungry kids who would appreciate not having to wait an extra 20 minutes for dinner.

      Ditto laundry appliances. I can't hear the washer or dryer where I am (and they are LOUD). It would be nice to know how much time is left on them so I know roughly how much time I have to do something without having to be interrupted by laundry. Sure I can run up the stairs and check the display and run back down (and that's what I do now), but still, being able to see it on my phone and have it beep when it's done? I would appreciate that. Not enough to actually buy a whole new set of appliances with that feature, mind you, but something that makes the day just a tiny bit less irritating.

      Of course, if you really wanted to improve things, design them into a laundromat so users could do something else with their time other than sit around waiting for the machine. Hell, design it with a locking door you can rent so you can bring all your laundry down and secure it and you'll probably be able to charge a premium.so people aren't wasting a couple of hours of their lives.

      Of course, I just wish the timer on my washer and dryer was even remotely accurate - where "1" minute left really means 10. And when it can say 8 minutes left, and then turns into 23 a minute later... sort of like old school Windows file copy time estimates.

    8. Re:Oh, BULLSHIT! by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      The proliferation of IoT in damn near every device around you is exactly why this whole story is NOT bullshit.

      You like being afraid, eh? I can't say I get it, but it seems popular these days. Until manufacturers start either requiring an internet connection to function or bundling a 4G modem with a lifetime data plan, I can avoid IoT devices. I have a "smart TV", which is disconnected from the internet. It was cheaper than a dumb one, which is why I bought it. I have some smart lights which are isolated on the local network and not allowed out. Could they somehow be nefariously communicating with their masters? Sure, I guess. But it's not likely.

      And the more YOU choose not to participate in a society that desires and demands interconnected citizens, the more YOU will become a monitored anomaly.

      I call bullshit on this as well. I've worked in many different careers, and every one of them had some sort of data that needed to be analyzed. And all of it included incomplete data. Did I ever look at the incomplete data? Sure. But the very nature of it being incomplete made it far less valuable. Could some of those pieces of incomplete data be linked together to make a complete record? Maybe? But the value is in the complete data sets.
       
      I blackhole most ad networks, noscript and purge cookies. I use an RSS reader instead of visiting websites, facebook, or twitter. I log into gmail on Firefox, and chrome gets a different google account associated with it. I have a name_phone@gmail.com address for my Android, which doesn't connect to my other google shit. Could google figure out they are all associated? Probably. But is there more value in doing that for me than there is in better leveraging the data of a hundred million other people who give Google everything? That's doubtful.
       
      I intentionally fragment my data, because I understand that squeezing 0.001% more data/money out of a hundred million people is 100,000x more valuable than piecing together my personal data puzzle. Now, if 100,000 other people are doing exactly what I'm doing in the same way, granted, it's more even. But that's not super likely.
       
      Unlike your fear of this being a scarlet letter, I'm of the opinion that it's camouflage. With millions of users to keep track of, the partial data needs to get dumped. Until the major corps run out of money to squeeze out of the sheeple, it's always going to be more cost effective to do that than try to piece together our data puzzle.

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  2. decade? by Frederic54 · · Score: 2

    > concerns in the next decade will cause significant numbers of people to decide to disconnect

    Not in the next decade, but now.

    30 years ago I wanted things like "networked thermostat or blinds or whatever", it was called domotic, it was on an intranet and it seems cool, but very expensive.
    Now there is a lot of connected devices (some still $$$) but there is no way I want my devices on others people servers (clouds) with poor security and closed firmware.
    And you know what, finally, we don't need IoT, I don't need my washer/dryer on the internet, I can close my blinds myself too.

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  3. Why? by avandesande · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would you want to add all this complexity to your life, I just don't get it. Appliances are supposed to free up your time but if you go gonzo trying to optimize their use you will achieve exactly the opposite.

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  4. Huge Mess for Control by mfh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The internet of things is a mess. I really dislike that catchphrase too. I believe the idea of a physical connection to the internet being unavoidable is very much a logical fallacy.

    I prefer things that do not loop in because I can control them better. When I buy them I own those products and that means I get to decide how to use them.

    The moment I realized I would have to install an app to make my coffee maker work, was the same moment I bought a stainless microfilter and a french press and took that thing back to the store.

    Throw out anything that loops in -- you don't need it! The ONLY reason they want to do that is to get you hooked. Either so you don't use someone else's coffee or so you don't use refilled ink. Whatever. Just put your money on good quality gear that is more analog and you'll be MUCH happier.

    And the last place one should look for any kind of scientific discovery is through non-scientific canvassing. The opinions of the unwashed masses are popular ones, but that does in no means make them correct.

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  5. Article focuses on misuse, not dislike by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This article focused on how people put up with risk to get what they want, their prime example was car accidents are accepted to because we love cars.

    The problem is that the LOT usually is for the benefit of the COMPANY, not the owner. They find something that people want just a little bit and sell it based on that convenience. Take the silly "BUG MY HOUSE" products now being sold, that offer internet searches and music in exchange for letting companies place always on microphones in your home. Huge benefit to the corporations, hue invasion of your privacy, all in exchange for not having to take your phone out of your pocket and tap one button before making the request.

    Yes, silly people buy these things. But people d not have to. Their advantage is minimal and I truly doubt it will ever achieve the ubiquity of cars, fridges, TVs, etc.

    This is typical. In general IOT is not a huge innovation allowing new consumer things for a minor cost, instead it is a huge corporate benefit with a minor consumer benefit.

    It's not revolutionizing our life, it is just revolutionizing corporate business.

    As such, it will probably be similar to Premium cable channels, like HBO. Some people, but not all or even most, will buy these things. Many people will refuse.

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  6. Re:The Paranoid Path by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    They're very often 'abnormally cheap' because they're subsidized to encourage adoption of lower-energy-usage lighting products. They did the same with CFL bulbs. Where I live (Sacramento valley), SMUD (local power company) often subsidizes things like that -- and not IoT lighting, either, by the way.

  7. It wouldn't be so bad if by Kierthos · · Score: 2

    ... these things had good security. It seems that you can't go a month without hearing about some IoT hack or another. It's bad enough when it's an IoT camera in a kid's toy (or nursery camera), but how long before somebody uses an IoT stove to start a house fire?

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  8. 'Connected' is not the problem... by DidgetMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...it is what it is connected to! I like the idea of devices all around me sending information to a central information hub that I can query and control. I don't like the idea of each device sending sensitive information to its 'true owner's web server' somewhere in the cloud where it can be mined, hacked, or outright stolen by an employee. I don't want all those companies able to disconnect me from my data just because I don't feel like paying some exorbitant monthly fee. There are a whole host of issues with the current IoT architecture. We need a completely different architecture where all MY devices send and receive data to/from MY central controller. I get to choose how the data is used and who I want to share it with.

  9. Even my new CPU cooler requires cloud login! by bigmacx · · Score: 3, Informative

    I bought one of these awesome, super duper water coolers from NZXT. The Kraken X62

    https://www.nzxt.com/products/kraken-x62

    Pretty cool colors and what not. The control panel for it (CAM software) asks for a cloud login which then of course runs every time you login. There seemed to be a problem just after I got it where the settings for fan, pump, and colors would not save between restarts. It has a guest mode, but even that lost settings or would insist on loading with reduced functionality without the cloud login. Huge support thread ensued.

    http://support.camwebapp.com/forums/252256-cam-bugs/suggestions/17316232-kraken-x62

    You know it's getting bad when even a CPU cooler "requires" a cloud login to work properly.

  10. Cracked pottery dialed up to 11 by WaffleMonster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's increasingly difficult to stomach is festering evil pervading tech industry.

    Used to be somewhat focused on creating better tools to get shit done.

    Now it's basically marketing Trojan horses to the public. Massive firms engaged in intentionally psychologically engineering products to maximize technological addiction and pervasive cyber stalking leveraged against consumer to ensure not one extra cent is ever left on the table.

    The reality has always been dwindling returns on connectivity. IoT goons are laughably unable to communicate a coherent value proposition. Just spraying Internet dust all over the place isn't going to make anyone's lives better except those few behind the scenes leveraging marketing terms and virtue signaling to justify further ownage of the user to say nothing of creating unnecessary vectors for compromise by governments and criminal organizations the world over.

    The road to hell is the path of least resistance.

  11. Re:The Paranoid Path by avandesande · · Score: 2

    I don't know what CRI is but my LLC (looks like crap) index puts incandescent lighting at the top.

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  12. Re:Oh, BULLSHIT! (oops!) by swell · · Score: 3, Informative

    I guess you've never read the Consumer Reports magazine. For decades, Jeep has been among the very worst automobiles on the market. All the US made cars were poorly rated, especially Chrysler cars and less so GM cars. But Jeep was just awful.

    Additionally, a motorcycle gang was just busted for exclusively stealing Jeeps. They were able to get key code info from a dealer and they discovered that it was easy to open the hood from outside and disable the alarm system.

    Yes, avoid IoT crap while you can, but note that even the dinosaur Jeep is full of hackable stuff.

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