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Netflix Has More American Subscribers Than Cable TV (engadget.com)

According to Leichtman Research estimates from the first quarter of 2017, there are more Netflix subscribers in the U.S. (50.85 million) than there are customers for major cable TV networks (48.61 million). While it doesn't mean Netflix is bigger than TV because it doesn't account for the 33.19 million satellite viewers, it represents a huge milestone for a streaming service that had half as many users just 5 years ago. Engadget reports: The shift in power comes in part through Netflix's ever-greater reliance on originals. There's enough high-quality material that it can compete with more established networks. However, it's also getting a boost from the decline of conventional TV. Those traditional sources lost 760,000 subscribers in the first quarter of the year versus 120,000 a year earlier. Leichtman believes a combination of cord cutters and reduced marketing toward cost-conscious viewers is to blame. Cable giants might not be in dire straits, but they're clearly focusing on their most lucrative customers as others jump ship for the internet.

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  1. Surprise, Surprise by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    Surprise...Nabors

    1. Re: Surprise, Surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Cord cutting is gay. I'm glad I could be of assistance by providing this information. You can thank me later.

    2. Re:Surprise, Surprise by ls671 · · Score: 0

      Netflix Has More American Subscribers Than Cable TV

      No surprise here! Of course Netflix has more American Subscribers than the number of cable TV they have in their office.

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  2. Cord cutting and sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to watch live sports. How can I still do that while cord cutting?

    1. Re: Cord cutting and sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ESPN and MLB are working on streaming packages.

    2. Re:Cord cutting and sports by turkeydance · · Score: 1

      here's how we do it: one guy has the cable-TV account and password for online viewing. he "sells" or "rents" his ever-changing log-on information as needed. game the system once, and you're done.

    3. Re: Cord cutting and sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MLB, the NBA, and the NHL have good streaming packages. Screw the NFL. NBC streams things like cycling through NBC Sports Gold, which interests me. But I also want to watch racing like NASCAR, Indycar, and F1. I also really want to watch soccer. I'm not aware of streaming packages for those.

    4. Re:Cord cutting and sports by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You can get C-SPAN on the internet.

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    5. Re: Cord cutting and sports by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

      they all have local blackouts

      Direct TV Now and Sling have local baseball games for some markets and will have the NFL. And they had the NBA playoffs and finals

    6. Re:Cord cutting and sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to the game.

    7. Re:Cord cutting and sports by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I want to watch live sports. How can I still do that while cord cutting?

      Reappraise your need to watch live sports. They are feeding off your tribal instincts.

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    8. Re:Cord cutting and sports by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      They are feeding off your tribal instincts.

      In contrast to every other thing on TV in what way, exactly?

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    9. Re:Cord cutting and sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reappraise your need to watch live sports. They are feeding off your tribal instincts.

      Trust your tribal instincts. Let them guide you. MMA, Jerry Springer, and Cops. It's all you need.

    10. Re:Cord cutting and sports by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      They are feeding off your tribal instincts.

      In contrast to every other thing on TV in what way, exactly?

      Well many shows don't invite you to pick a side and split the protagonists into two sides with clearly distinguished colors and iconography to make it simple.

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    11. Re:Cord cutting and sports by gnick · · Score: 1

      Well many shows don't invite you to pick a side and split the protagonists into two sides with clearly distinguished colors and iconography to make it simple.

      Are you sure you're not watching Cops?

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    12. Re:Cord cutting and sports by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Well many shows don't invite you to pick a side and split the protagonists into two sides with clearly distinguished colors and iconography to make it simple.

      Are you sure you're not watching Cops?

      Very sure. I mostly listen to music.

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    13. Re: Cord cutting and sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But NFL is what I want to watch. I would pay for a streaming package, but can't find one.

      So I walk to the local sports bar, and watch it there.

    14. Re:Cord cutting and sports by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Reappraise your need to watch live sports. They are feeding off your tribal instincts.

      I don't watch much live sports, but I still think the only reasonable response to this is "fuck off you sanctimonious prick". ;)

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  3. Second Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bazinga!

    1. Re:Second Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fail it, bitch.

  4. How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know anyone with an Internet connection fast enough to stream Netflix.

    1. Re: How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a sad commentary on the state of internet in your area.

    2. Re: How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Have a full T1 at work, but given my experience with YouTube, I don't think even that is fast eonough.

    3. Re: How? by bn-7bc · · Score: 2

      Well there is your problem, a T1 is 1.554 Mbps and thst is before ip overhead. nor exactly ideal for video straming, well you culd probably squize 360p30 down thst line, but doyhou realy want to?

    4. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol i have third world shitty dsl and even I can use netflix

      stupid troll is stupid

    5. Re: How? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Netflix works at 1.5mbps (throttle on T-mobile for unlimited video, not sure about a T1).

      It is standard definition, but it handles it far better than youtube in my experience (it [netflix] does a good job of finding the bandwidth, streaming at a slightly lower quality until there's a decent buffer, and then using most of the bandwidth if needed).

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    6. Re: How? by Maritz · · Score: 1

      A full T1? Wow. That used to be considered fast back in the olden days.

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  5. cash rules everything around me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "reliance on originals"? How about that it costs 1/10th as much? duh.

    1. Re: cash rules everything around me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^^^This! $10 frickin dollars/month. Fuck cable

  6. DUH! by MerlTurkin · · Score: 2

    Not surprising since Cable TV providers keep raising prices (TWC just raised my prices again) and more people are leaving it. I hope there's a mass exodus one of these days. I'd LOVE to see cable providers all die off.

    1. Re: DUH! by corychristison · · Score: 1

      Until you realize in many ways those cable companies are subsidizing your internet connection with the income from TV subscribers.

      If cable TV goes the way of the buggy whip, you'll see broadband prices increase.

      It's already happening here in Canada.

    2. Re: DUH! by gnick · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how much subsidizing is going on. The only reason I have cable (US-Comcast) is that they charge me nearly the same amount if I just want broadband.

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  7. focusing? by markdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >"Cable giants might not be in dire straits, but they're clearly focusing on their most lucrative customers as others jump ship for the internet."

    "Focusing on"? How? By holding on to more and more useless channels? By raising prices continuously? By offering only deceptive "introductory" pricing models? By constantly fighting and making life difficult for TiVo and other third-party box owners? If this is their "focus", they are doing to be in dire straits before they know it.

    They don't necessarily have to stream to compete (because DVRs can provide an excellent experience), but one thing they need to do soon is to offer a pay-for-each-channel-wanted model and allow customers to customize what they want to watch. I am BEYOND SICK of paying for crap I don't want and subsidizing others' channels. Sports is perfect example. I bet a HUGE portion of my cable TV bill is poured into sports, something I have ZERO interest in, but yet comprises probably 30 or more channels. Now throw out all religious channels, infomercial channels, game show channels, non-English channels, and reality TV channels. I bet I am now up to about 85%.

    Oh, and when they do offer streaming, it is just the same crap content on their existing channels, but with the bonus of being only in stereo not Dolby 5.1, with a crappy low-bandwidth picture, and often forced commercials. All with silly time limits, a poor interface, and sometimes flaky as hell.

    Focus, indeed.

    1. Re:focusing? by Avantare · · Score: 1

      >"Cable giants might not be in dire straits, but they're clearly focusing on their most lucrative customers as others jump ship for the internet."

      "Focusing on"? How? By holding on to more and more useless channels? By raising prices continuously? By offering only deceptive "introductory" pricing models? By constantly fighting and making life difficult for TiVo and other third-party box owners? If this is their "focus", they are doing to be in dire straits before they know it.

      They don't necessarily have to stream to compete (because DVRs can provide an excellent experience), but one thing they need to do soon is to offer a pay-for-each-channel-wanted model and allow customers to customize what they want to watch. I am BEYOND SICK of paying for crap I don't want and subsidizing others' channels. Sports is perfect example. I bet a HUGE portion of my cable TV bill is poured into sports, something I have ZERO interest in, but yet comprises probably 30 or more channels. Now throw out all religious channels, infomercial channels, game show channels, non-English channels, and reality TV channels. I bet I am now up to about 85%.

      Oh, and when they do offer streaming, it is just the same crap content on their existing channels, but with the bonus of being only in stereo not Dolby 5.1, with a crappy low-bandwidth picture, and often forced commercials. All with silly time limits, a poor interface, and sometimes flaky as hell.

      Focus, indeed.

      13 channels of shit... Here's another thing, commercials. Interstellar is a great movie and runs 2hr 49 min. 1 hr 11 min of commercials? Nope and that is the biggest reason I won't watch cable. Between Netflix and Amazon Prime I'm happy and have more disposable income. Just over $200 a year for both = 1.5 months of cable.

    2. Re: focusing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! Pink Floyd. I was in 6th grade when that album came out. Hit up my local radio shack that also sold records. Was 10 bucks. Ton of money for me then.

    3. Re:focusing? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      "Focusing on"? How? By holding on to more and more useless channels? By raising prices continuously? By offering only deceptive "introductory" pricing models? By constantly fighting and making life difficult for TiVo and other third-party box owners? If this is their "focus", they are doing to be in dire straits before they know it.

      Don't forget "focusing on TV" by setting caps on their Internet service (to discourage too much streaming). Or by pricing their Internet+TV bundles at a lower price than Internet alone to force people to keep TV service (even if you don't use it, you'll still be counted as a TV subscriber). And all the other ways that they use/abuse their monopoly (or, in some cases, duopoly) ISP position to keep their TV service ahead of competitors.

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    4. Re:focusing? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Just wait until Net Neutrality bites the dust. It'll be the same business model for Internet service as we've enjoyed with cable all these years.

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  8. Adam Sandler Originals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sources comment that the vast majority of new subscribers came in because of Netflix's huge amount of original Adam Sandler content.

  9. Of One Thing We Can Be Sure by crunchygranola · · Score: 2

    That cable networks are not going to respond to this situation by offering better value for the money! Monopolies never do.

    Cable TV prices have been increasing at four times the rate of inflation for years. Forcing people to buy bundles of channels instead of a la carte offerings for less money, etc., etc.

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    1. Re:Of One Thing We Can Be Sure by AvitarX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They're not a monopoly on content providing anymore though, their monopoly lies in the providing of data last mile.

      I expect cable to get cheaper, and internet to get more expensive. Heck, they already offer a stripped down package for free (I actually had to beg them for give me internet alone for the price of internet + 5 channels).

      My prediction, internet will creep to $100/month, a serious cable package will be $30 (with more content than the dish, Sony, or google options), and if you get those two, you can tack on premium channels for less than if you don't have the $30 package.

      They'll keep their $100-150/household.

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  10. Adversising by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course, cable companies jerk around customers by charging them arbitrary fees for things they don't want. But aside from that, many of us hate having to watch 20 minutes of commercials an hour, for programming we supposedly paid a subscription to get. Netflix--so far--has stayed away from advertisements within the shows you watch. As long as they keep that up, they have MY money!

    1. Re:Adversising by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      There's an entire generation growing up that isn't used to commercials that aren't product placement. The networks are going to all basically need to go to a subscription model.

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    2. Re:Adversising by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      well lucely her in Norway cable combanies are no longer alowed to force bundel tv and internet(well I of course signed a contract 2 days before the new rules but It's only for a year) so I suspect they will lose a few etv subscribers over the next year, I'l keep them for internet tho 100/100 fiber ftw

    3. Re:Adversising by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The networks are going to all basically need to go to a subscription model.

      That is exactly what cable TV is! When it was introduced in the 70s, they sold cable TV by telling people, "Because you pay subscription fees, you won't have to watch any commercials!" Well, we all know how that turned out!

      You're not wrong, but I'm counting the months until Netflix breaks down and starts allowing commercials of their own. There's just too much pressure from advertisers, they will eventually succumb. I hope I'm wrong.

    4. Re:Adversising by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I don't see it.

      Primarily because they seem to be resisting the "become TV" urge, and instead are focusing on becoming a premium channel.

      Basically that's what they are, they charge a rate similar to that (between Showtime and HBO monthly), and they produce content without commercials.

      Also, they're not desperate, they're making approximately 200 million/year (though I don't know how they amortize the new content acquisition, they could be cashflow negative).

      I'm more worried about Hulu going back to ads, much of their exclusive to streaming content was designed for ads (I guess it's not exclusive anymore with Google, Playstation, etc, getting current TV), and I suspect they lose money.

      I see a future with ad supported content on Youtube, and some exclusive streaming services. In therory, Google should be able to get more money per an ad viewer minute than a Network (targeted), hopefully that can be enough to surmount the extra cost of streaming individually.

      Google could take the local affiliate station, and the producer of content the network cut, and it should all work as a business model.

      Obviously that's overly simple, or we'd already have broad appeal network quality content on Youtube in a large scale, but in theory it works.

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    5. Re:Adversising by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Follow up question:

      Did cable TV ever provide Network content without ads?

      When I was young, it already had ads (mid 80s), but I assume that crept in with the explosion of channels for not much money, and the inclusion of broadcast content.

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  11. Undercount? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those are just the households who pay for access.
    All the moochers and account-sharers ought to double that.

  12. How many Americans can't even get cable? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    What percentage of American households can even get cable? Now, what percentage can get Netflix? Yep, it's higher. When you add to that just how lame Cable is...

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    1. Re:How many Americans can't even get cable? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      How do you get Netflix without cable?

      Are there places with broadband, but not cable?

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    2. Re:How many Americans can't even get cable? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      How do you get Netflix without cable?

      Are there places with broadband, but not cable?

      That'll be the fiber optic thingy that comes to the back of my house.

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    3. Re:How many Americans can't even get cable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you live close enough to a CO, you could probably stream without much issue on a top tier DSL package as well. You might not be to do multiple things on the connection at once though

    4. Re:How many Americans can't even get cable? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      You have to be in an almost insignificant minority to have access go fiber, but not cable, in the US.

      I really doubt that's the reason.

      Your sibling post mentions DSL, which makes sense. Where I am they don't offer over 3/1.5 anymore, but if it was reliable 3, even that would get Netflix (I have cable up to 300 available).

      There may be a small minority that that does cellular only and Netflix too, but I doubt it's many.

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    5. Re: How many Americans can't even get cable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      10/1 DSL works well for Netflix in a single person household and is available many places Cable TV isn't. Trust me as a Netflix/mlb.tv/nhl.tv non-satellite household.

    6. Re:How many Americans can't even get cable? by MyrddinBach · · Score: 1

      I have *never* paid for cable service and have always had some kind of DSL except once when I lived somewhere I could get fiber to my house.

      Was an early adopter of netflix and have never had an issue streaming from them or any other streaming service I have used - and that's even in times when I had slow DSL (6 down / 1.5 up).

      Currently my DSL is 80down/10up.

  13. Of course! by Aethedor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Netflix Has More American Subscribers Than Cable TV

    Of course! If would be weird if Netflix had any cable TV at all.

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  14. Bundled A La Carte by mentil · · Score: 1

    I think the direction cable/satellite companies are going to go, is bundled a la carte. Telecoms make tons of money from bundling (TV/internet/phone) already, and the idea will be pitched to consumers as 'build your own bundle', and pitched to executives as 'giving customers more opportunity to give us their money.' Essentially, instead of tiers (basic cable, expanded cable, ultimate) with multiple over-the-top channels (HBO, Showtime etc.) you pay for individually, there will be small bundles of channels that you can pick and choose from, with no base tiers.

    So, there'll likely be a bundle that contains local channels, another that contains a few channels owned by Time Warner, another that contains a few channels owned by Disney, a bundle with a few sports channels, bundles with a few related themes (movie channel/hbo/showtime bundle). It'll be mixed-up enough from how it currently works that it can be advertised as 'pay for the channels you care about, and not the ones you do not', while the price is structured so that people actually pay more to get what they currently get. Few people will notice, thinking "I can just cut out this and this to save money", the additional control obscuring the price hike. Some streaming services like Sling already do something similar, but I think it will be made more granular, and be more heavily advertised. Cordcutters who really only want that one channel are able to do that for potentially less money than Netflix; the cable company will likely even subsidize your bill a little, on the expectation that having you as a customer means you might expand your lineup later, rather than letting you leave and be someone else's customer instead. I expect this will cause a big enough shakeup in the industry that everyone will see it coming years before it happens, and all the telecoms will get onboard at the same time. Thus, there will be rumors coming from industry analysts long before this drops.

    But I'll be surprised if this happens any earlier than "too late to stave off irrelevance."

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  15. Sharing accounts? by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    There goes the accusation that people are sharing accounts

    https://slashdot.org/story/326...

    1. Re:Sharing accounts? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      There goes the accusation that people are sharing accounts

      https://slashdot.org/story/326...

      I fail to see how the growth metrics around a streaming service has anything to do with people sharing passwords. I can assure you that as long as the service technically allows it, password and account sharing will continue.

      Given the growth, I seriously doubt they really give a shit. Some things are worth business focus. Some are not.

    2. Re:Sharing accounts? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Agreed... if the measures to prevent it were effective, they'd be onerous for legit users, and hurt subscriber numbers. It is surely not worth the support costs to deal with someone traveling on business getting locked out because their spouse at home is also streaming versus just ignoring it. Especially with no advertisers and lots of original content they can do whatever they like.

    3. Re:Sharing accounts? by CrankyFool · · Score: 1

      (I work at Netflix, but am not speaking here officially as a Netflix employee) Reed Hastings, Netflix's CEO and someone who does in fact speak for Netflix, has gone on record to say Netflix doesn't care about people sharing passwords (as long as it's not a business). https://www.cnet.com/news/netf...

    4. Re:Sharing accounts? by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      Not significant if still more people have it than cable

    5. Re:Sharing accounts? by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      Nice, thanks! In my experience I don't see it happening too much. If anything it must lead to more subscriptions...

  16. what a shocker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10$ vs.100$, who would have thought folks would notice? cease fire stand down,, there's moms & tiny babys in all of our towns..

  17. It shows how hard it is to change a monopoly. by Bearhouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amazing how the cable companies screwed it up, huh?
    They were perfectly placed to profit from the dotcom boom and later; everyone was obsessed with Yahoo-esque approaches of "being the portal to the interwebz" and/or the browser "wars", (something that continues to this day, except that Google has pretty much won everywhere in search, with Chrome(ium) and on mobile with Android etc.)
    Yet all this time the cable (and phone) guys owned the last mile into your house, with TV and Internet along with it.
    With a bit of vision but - above all - accepting that they would have to cannibalize their existing offer, they could have used the massive subsidies they received to build out a great network, with good, fast service and compelling original content.

    What did they do? Sit on their fat-ass, rent-seeking business model, ripping people off with poor, expensive service and bundles of advert-laden crap channels. Good riddance.

  18. Not a good comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netflix to me always has been a supplemental service provider of content and not a primary like cable or satellite. Netflix provides a on demand type of service where cable or satellite provide live, and rebroadcasts programming from certain networks. Given how inexpensive Netflix is, its not surprising its very popular for anyone who has internet service.

    1. Re:Not a good comparison by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I haven't had cable TV for over 10 years, and the last time I had satellite service was when it was free for me (DirecTV) some 15 years ago. I have a lot of friends and coworkers that ditched cable/satellite TV, but admittedly I'm only looking at a pool of people who work in the same industry as me, make a similar income, are of a similar age, and live in the same region as me.

      The big thing that keeps a few is access to their favorite sports team. I have more than one friend who has cable TV because they are Giants fans. And last year it was really difficult for me to stream of the greatest Cubs game in history. I certainly miss out on things occasionally.

      All that said, I think I agree with you that Netflix, on its own, isn't a replacement. but combine a few different streaming services and it starts to cover the kinds of things that I would normally have wanted to get out of a cable service. Hulu, Amazon, and many others are out there and each offers slightly different services that compliment each other.

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  19. Greed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read that AT&T and other big comm companies now have limit on data on their internet service (1TB for AT&T) to try to force the people to buy their TV service (instead of using things like Netflix). How soon before other companies like Charter follow suit?

    Greedy bastards.

  20. any overlap - does anyone pay for both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are the two sets mutually exclusive, or do some people have both cable tv and netflicks? that would be materially useful information to know

  21. You still need a physical cable for Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All this cord cutter stuff i nonsense, you still need a fat pipe to get NEtflix, hulu, Youtube.. yada yada, so the cable companies saw this cord-cutting nonsense coming a decade back , so the solution is simply to keep raising rates of data only subscriptions, and making up the difference with their Whale customers who pay for triple play , mutiple boxes through the nose.. sorry most folks here at /. are not cables prime customer base, its joe six pack with 3 kids and wants to sit on the couch and with a beer and just watch the Yankees LIVE. As soon as we have a cost for cost data alternative to cable then I will say a change is afoot until then cable still has most of us by the ...

  22. Re:netflix also has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i KNOW they will suck

    You've made it abundantly clear that you know fuck all, tbh.

    By the way, sentences start with a capital.

  23. Of course by williamreview1 · · Score: 1

    Internet is absolutely on its way, isn't it? http://williamreview.com/im-vi...

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