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US Internet Company Refused To Participate In NSA Surveillance, Documents Reveal (zdnet.com)

Zack Whittaker reports via ZDNet: A U.S. company refused to comply with a top-secret order that compelled it to facilitate government surveillance, according to newly declassified documents. According to the document, the unnamed company's refusal to participate in the surveillance program was tied to an apparent expansion of the foreign surveillance law, details of which were redacted by the government prior to its release, as it likely remains classified. It's thought to be only the second instance of an American company refusing to comply with a government surveillance order. The first was Yahoo in 2008. It was threatened with hefty daily fines if it didn't hand over customer data to the National Security Agency. The law is widely known in national security circles as forming the legal basis authorizing the so-called PRISM surveillance program, which reportedly taps data from nine tech titans including Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and others. It also permits "upstream" collection from the internet fiber backbones of the internet. Any guesses as to which company it may be? The company was not named in the 2014-dated document, but it's thought to be an internet provider or a tech company.

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  1. I know the company by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    MySpace. And you know what happened to them!

  2. refused to participate by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That would be a neat trick... Can we 'refuse' too?

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  3. limited possibilities by muphin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are only a few large companies out there that could refuse and make it more difficult for the government.
    Giving the history with Apple refusing the decrypt data I would go with them, NSA probably wanted to tap into the iMessaging service.

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    1. Re:limited possibilities by davide+marney · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sounds like maybe Cox Internet. They don't take kindly to their customers being abused. For example, they had refused to buckle under to Rightscorp, the copyright shakedown firm, and blocked their notices for years. As Cox explained in their suit (which they lost):

      "Rightscorp and Plaintiffs tried to abuse Cox’s system," Cox told the judge. "Rightscorp sells shady services to copyright holders. It shakes down ISP customers for money without regard to actual liability, and it tries to enlist ISPs in its scheme. Cox explained it would not accept Rightscorp’s wrongful notices and asked Rightscorp to fix its notices. Rightscorp refused, instead dumping thousands of notices per day on Cox. As a result, Cox blocked Rightscorp’s notices. This suit is Rightscorp’s retribution, with Plaintiffs’ complicity, for Cox’s refusal to participate in Rightscorp’s scheme."

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    2. Re:limited possibilities by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A large company with good lawyers who were not interested in the corrupt money and contracts being provided, who knew full well that those utterly bullshit secret laws would fail in the high court no matter how corrupt those judges are because approving those corrupt laws would disrupt the US legal system and would have to be struck down.

      The surveillance had nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with extreme political ideological corruption in the deep state (well all to shallow partnership in crime between corrupt corporations and corrupt elected officials and the corrupt political appointees they corruptly placed into the system). The sole purpose attack and silence political activism and any threat to the extremely profitable corruption, even though that corruption is destroying the US at every level, from overseas relations and trade to infrastructure collapse to collapsing education system to abusive law enforcers and prisons to a for profit military, all preying upon US society to it's ultimate collapse and they do not care as long as they are rich and can evacuate to another country with the money they fraudulently gain.

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    3. Re:limited possibilities by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 4, Informative

      When I got a notice from Cox for my "business-level connection" they specifically wrote that as this was a business service I was allowed per my contract to share out my signal via unauthenticated wifi and they therefor assumed that was how the infringement happened. At that point, I tweaked utorrent to only share back up to 120% and then stop seeding, and never got another notification. So yes, they do really put their customer first in this.

  4. Lavabit by wherrera · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lavabit, assuming the calendar years fit the redacted docs.

  5. I bet it was Qwest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Probably Qwest. That was covered extensively here back in the day. Their CEO was jailed for "insider trading" because the government didn't pay its contracts as leverage and it tanked the company.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest

    1. Re:I bet it was Qwest by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Informative

      It isn't Qwest. These documents are from 2014. Qwest was bought out and rebranded in 2011. The NSA stuff they're known for was from the early 2000s.

  6. Seconded by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just going to say Qwest. If you don't play ball with Uncle Sam then business suddenly becomes more difficult.

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  7. Could it be by kilodelta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cox Communications? I know they've not been too friendly to the feds.

  8. *Somebody* has ethics by T.E.D. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My favorite part of this story is that, due to all the secrecy involved, this company can get no kudos for refusing to facilitate spying, almost certainly knew that, and yet they did it anyway.

    “The true test of a man’s character is what he does when no one is watching.” John Wooden