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EU Poised To Fine Google More Than $1 Billion in Antitrust Case (marketwatch.com)

Google is braced for a fine of potentially more than 1bn euro ($1.18 billion) as Brussels prepares to make the first of three antitrust decisions on the search group's practices, the first sanction by a leading competition regulator on the way it operates. From a report: The penalty, expected to be announced in the coming weeks, could exceed the record 1.1 billion euro bill slapped on Intel, in 2009 for anti-competitive behavior in the computer-chip market, the two people told The Times. The European Commission's antitrust body declined to comment to MarketWatch on the FT report, but referred to the latest steps taken in the case against Google. In July last year, the commission reiterated its conclusion that the search giant had "abused its dominant position by systematically favoring its comparison shopping service in its search result pages." Google and its parent company Alphabet were then given 10 weeks to respond to the findings. Reuters reported last month that Google had attempted to settle the dispute with the EU three times in the last six years, but the sides had failed to reach a compromise.

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  1. right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    systematically favoring its comparison shopping service in its search result pages.

    I have problems with Google, but .... fining them for favoring its own shopping service? Come on. It's their search engine, and their shopping service, and I don't like it and don't use it. Easy enough.

    What they need to be fined for is collecting data on people who are NOT their customers and turning the entire web not to mention email into a giant surveillance network with Google trackers embedded everywhere. Most people have no idea how to avoid the Google Big Data Machine even if they are trying to avoid all Google products and services and have never signed up for anything with Google.

    Fine them for that, not for merely favoring their own services.

    1. Re:right target, wrong reason. by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Informative

      I have problems with Google, but .... fining them for favoring its own shopping service?

      Usually the argument is that if you are legally considered a monopoly (which Google probably is under EU law) then it is illegal for you to use your monopoly position in that area to promote or favor your other products or business areas. It's essentially the same thing that Microsoft ran afoul of with IE that led to requirements by the EU that Windows users would be able to select which browser they wanted to use when installing Windows. Whether or not you agree with that law, it is still the law that companies are required to abide by.

    2. Re:right target, wrong reason. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's the abuse of a dominant position in a field in an attempt to gain a dominant position in another field.

      Think Microsoft trying to push IE and IIS onto everyone and getting away with it because they are the dominant OS. This is anti-competitive and anti-capitalist. The capitalist model requires competition to ensure better product eliminate inferior ones. Propping up a mediocre product with a dominant market position in another market to make it that way competitive to a superior product should go against everything any liberal or capitalist minded person stands for.

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    3. Re:right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but it's trivial to install a different web browser if you didn't like IE, and takes next to no time to switch your search engine away from Google. That's maybe 8 seconds and a few mouse clicks -> done.

      Of all the abuses of these companies, and we have seen many, why pick on the ones that no one has to be subjected to if they don't want to be? I'd rather see them pick on ones that were not so trivial to avoid. Like Microsoft using its market position to force computer sellers not to sell competing OS's.

    4. Re: right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The browser nonsense never made sense to me. I used to have to install winsock software just to get online, then they included that software free.

      Why is browser software different from the calculator or the character map or anything else?

      If I can get online to the internet and I don't have a browser how can I possibly download an alternative browser?

      It doesn't really make any sense from the perspective of adding features to an OS.

      It's another problem entirely however if you cannot use someone else's browser or potentially remove Microsoft but it is possible that Microsoft is simply integrating browser capability into the shell which means it's just a feature and not a separate entity.

    5. Re:right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leveraging your existing resources to force yourself into new markets is the definition of capitalism, what do you think that accumulation of capital is for?

    6. Re:right target, wrong reason. by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      takes next to no time to switch your search engine away from Google. That's maybe 8 seconds and a few mouse clicks -> done.

      There is no incentive for computer users to switch to another search engine, because they are not the ones suffering from Google's abuse of dominance. It's the competing companies that suffer, and they can't tell their potential customers to use a different search engine.

    7. Re:right target, wrong reason. by dwillden · · Score: 1

      But unlike IE where OEM's where forced to keep other browsers off the initial desktop while IE was prominently placed on every Windows desktop. Most computers come with the preinstalled browsers pointing to google's competitors. Similarly most ISP's try to get you to point your browser to other search engines as do many apps on install. In fact except for when you install Chrome you have to specifically choose to change your default to Google.

      Google does not have a monopoly, there are several very capable alternatives.

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    8. Re:right target, wrong reason. by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Google does not have a monopoly, there are several very capable alternatives.

      Google has over 90% market share in Europe, which is a defacto monopoly. And according to EU law, a company with such a dominant position may not abuse that in order to gain market share in other areas.

    9. Re: right target, wrong reason. by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Imagine if Microsoft's browser decided to take any search results for Chrome, Firefox, or other browsers and discard them or display its own results as a priority. I would imagine that most people don't know the actual website to get Chrome, they just fire up IE and search for it instead. Similarly, there are a lot of people who don't know the websites, or even if they do just enter the URL. Imagine if not just searching for "plane tickets", but also "Expedia", "Travelocity", or any of the other popular sites all returned Google's service as a first result instead of the actual website of that company.

      Yes, most people on this website are savvy enough to navigate around that behavior and get what they actually want, just like they'll get around DRM, etc. as necessary. However, most people aren't that knowledgeable or possibly even capable of becoming sufficiently so. Consumer protection laws are there to protect the average consumer, or maybe even the lowest common denominator type ones.

    10. Re:right target, wrong reason. by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      That's simply because they have the best search engine. People are free to use whichever search engine they want, and there is no pain in switching except for the inferior results you will receive from other search engines. This isn't the same as a browser or OS where they are somehow locking you into the search engine. Using a different search engine is extremely simple. If you could force people to use a search engine then MS would have the dominant position with Bing. But people are simply choosing the best.

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    11. Re:right target, wrong reason. by magarity · · Score: 1

      I have problems with Google, but .... fining them for favoring its own shopping service? Come on. It's their search engine, and their shopping service, and I don't like it and don't use it

      Not only this but two stories older is Amazon patenting using their store wifi to outright block people from even checking someone else's shopping service. Are they not paying attention to the Google case or what?

    12. Re:right target, wrong reason. by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      Read a few messages up this thread: the problem is not for the users. The problem is for Google's competitors on other services, who don't get to play on a level playing field because Google is promoting their own services over theirs.

      For instance, if I search for 'maps' on Google here on a European google server, I don't see a result for 'bing maps' on the first couple of pages. Based on those results, I wouldn't even know bing maps existed. On the other hand, google maps is returned as the first and second result.

    13. Re:right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's the competing companies that suffer

      They are more than welcome to start up their own competing search engine, then.

      In fact, many people would probably welcome that.

    14. Re:right target, wrong reason. by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      They are more than welcome to start up their own competing search engine, then.

      So, if Google buys up a hotel chain, and hides search results from competing hotels, the nice little family owned hotel here in town needs to make their own global search engine ? That's your answer ?

    15. Re:right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I own a small shop which makes crate engines. GM and Toyota however insist on installing their own engines in their cars. My business is suffering because I don't get to play on a level playing field. GM and Toyota are promoting their own engines over mine.

      I guess I should get the EU involved.

    16. Re: right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Think Microsoft trying to push IE and IIS onto everyone and getting away with it because they are the dominant OS.

      Funny you should say that. The most recent builds of Windows 10 (available for preview if you sell your soul to MS after jumping through flaming hoops), try zealously to reassert Edge as the Operating Systems default browser, regardless of other browsers which might be installed. Windows 10 did not do this initially, it is a very recent and very questionable behaviour.

    17. Re:right target, wrong reason. by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      You don't have to look at them, do you? Has anyone got a gun to your back, urging you to look at them?

    18. Re: right target, wrong reason. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why is browser software different from the calculator or the character map or anything else?

      It's not. Part of the anti-trust is that someone needs to actually bring a case to the courts about it. The Association for Crappy and Useless Calculator Apps wasn't interested in spending money on the case.

    19. Re: right target, wrong reason. by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "If I can get online to the internet and I don't have a browser how can I possibly download an alternative browser?"

      Back when I worked for an ISP, the instructions for new customers included how to use FTP to get Netscape.

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    20. Re: right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who made money off the Microsoft decision that was such a dumb decision.

      IE was given away for free and since it was coupled with the OS, it made Windows dominant. At one point, Microsoft had browsers for Mac and Unix as well. When that happened, it was still a monopoly for the browser, but Microsoft didn't profit from that. They lost money by giving it away and making the OS it ran on less profitable as a result. What they did was to attempt to provide an alternative to Netscape which was actually much more of a monopoly for a while.

      Consider that Netscape released a browser that was almost impossible to duplicate because their HTML and JavaScript parsers where coded like shit and would allow endless violations of the documented specs. Netscape did far more to destroy web standards than Microsoft did.

      Microsoft however made a huge attempt to make it possible for use to be able to use HTML for developing applications by allowing extensive browser integration via ActiveX. Unlike Netscape's psychotic APIs which were documented one way and implemented another, Microsoft made their document model well known, made their JavaScript and VB script engines consistent and their COM model for object embedding extremely versatile.

      Netscape, as soon as the lawsuit kicked in became a litigation company and systematically sold off all their meaningful assets to fund the lawsuit but not their development. In the meantime, IIS and IE kept developing and making it so that Microsoft got further and further ahead.

      Consider that at the same time that Netscape was crying like a baby that Microsoft was unfair, Opera kept growing and taking all of Netscape's market share on everything but Windows. We did that by implementing everything we could to make code that was IE compatible up to but not including ActiveX support as it we didn't want to support a standard that wouldn't lend well to cross platform development. We did however implement just about any feature that could possibly make plugins less meaningful. For example, while Netscape was being a cry baby, we were implementing a new DOM engine that supported real-time reflow. IE and Opera made it possible to handle things like HTML canvas in a standard fashion.

      By the time that Netscape decided they should develop software again, they had to do a full rewrite because Netscape 4.7 was not suitable as a base for a new browser.

      During that time, thanks to Lars Knoll, then Apple and even Nokia, WebKit happened. And today, that code base evolved into Blink which clearly dominates the web.

      Point is though. The Microsoft settlement was bullshit. By the time that mess ended, IE was already losing its dominant position because web standards had evolved (with no thanks to Netscape) to start edging towards HTML5/Web 2.0

      This case is also bullshit.

      The EU is trying to sue Google for a big enough amount that they can fill EU coffers while keeping it small enough that Google would rather just call it a rounding error instead of wasting 10 years in court. If the EU gets a billion dollars and a commitment for another $150 million each year yet continue violating, Google will just pay it and the EU will lose their position to go after them with a meaningful lawsuit.

      Then consider that Google could just say "sure... you win" and then not bother paying and the EU couldn't really do anything about it.

      This case wouldn't scratch Google and it won't help any companies hurt by Google's actions. So this lawsuit is just some asshole who wears shoulder pads to work trying to make a name for themselves as the person who took on Google and won.

    21. Re:right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? There is no allegation of Google buying hotel chains or hiding competing hotel chain search results.

      Let's stick to the topic, which is: "systematically favoring its comparison shopping service in its search result pages." It is Google's search engine, and their comparison shopping service, and they get to return results in whatever order they want. I do not want a central government dictating what results a search engine I may or may not chose to use returns. I think people are not thinking this through.

      If I do not like their search results, I am free to use another engine, or even create my own and compete with Google in the marketplace. There is no barrier to anyone switching search engines.

    22. Re:right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The capitalist model requires competition to ensure better product eliminate inferior ones.

      That's a nice theory, but in the real world the capitalist model requires eliminating competition to ensure maxim profits for the CEOs and shareholders.
      The customers? Fuck them, they'll have to buy it anyway.

    23. Re: right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is how Europeans think. Also, Europe needs to recoup some of that VW dieselgate money to pay for all their new Muslim friends.

    24. Re: right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try Google boy. Monopoly isn't a lack of alternative, it is total control of a market which Google clearly has in Europe at 95+%.

      Is your brother swilden too busy creating Android security bugs to post his own BS?

    25. Re: right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Willful ignorance of so many posts like the one who replied to you here points to a very clear astroturfing campaign.

    26. Re: right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are being willfully ignorant of GPs point that the harmed parties have no true market remedy other than antitrust due to Google's monopoly control of search and lack of user motivation to switch.

    27. Re: right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People will never switch away from Altavista. They have a dominant market position and there is no user motivation to switch.

      People will never switch away from Geocities. They have a dominant market position and there is no user motivation to switch.

      History disagrees with your argument.

    28. Re: right target, wrong reason. by tsa · · Score: 1

      I know people who fire up IE, which then starts up with Google as the home page, type the url of the site they want to visit in the search engine (for instance amazon.com), press enter and then click the first link that Google shows.

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    29. Re: right target, wrong reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's your point? Microsoft was a legit monopoly yet eventually the world moved on. You can be a monopoly and eventually lose it due to the changing world, but how much damage it the monopolist permitted to do in the meantime?

      Meanwhile, no rational unbiased observer would compare Google in this day to Altavista in that day (or any day) . Go collect your Google paycheck.

    30. Re:right target, wrong reason. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You do? I didn't even know that option exists.

      I think it's time to fine GM and Toyota. You should sue.

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    31. Re:right target, wrong reason. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The accumulation of capital is, funny enough, an attempt to eliminate the market regulations that capitalism provides.

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    32. Re: right target, wrong reason. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Take a wild guess who'll be next on the EU chopping block. They're already being minced for their telemetry, more fuel is only going to make the cake sweeter.

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    33. Re:right target, wrong reason. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's our post-capitalist model. In a truly, fully capitalist society, you can't even make a profit anymore because the market would not allow it.

      We'er not in a capitalist society, though. Capitalism is much like communism. A nice idea, but it's never been fully realized, only flawed versions ever existed. The flaws in real existing capitalism are just less damning to the system.

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    34. Re: right target, wrong reason. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Windows was dominant from the start because MSDOS was dominant.

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  2. Unintentended Consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is the EU trying to make the #1 search for the term "EU" return the phrase "money grubbing whores?" Because this is how you end up with "money grubbing whores" as the #1 result when you search for "EU."

    Just saying...

    1. Re:Unintentended Consequences by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      In Google search? You don't say...

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    2. Re:Unintentended Consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, clearly corporations being forced to abide by the law is unnacceptabe. Something should be done!

    3. Re:Unintentended Consequences by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that "EU" will now equal "money grubbing whores"? Because other "money grubbing whores" may not be part of the "EU".

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    4. Re:Unintentended Consequences by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Yes, clearly corporations being forced to abide by the unjust law is unacceptable. Something should be done!
      FTFY.

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  3. Not sure... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    I didn't read up on the specifics of this one, but I don't believe I agree with this, from what I do know. Intel, Microsoft, etc. certainly deserved the judgments they received. But in this case, no one has to use Google. Nor is it a product anyone necessary pays for (monetarily at least). There are other search engines and anyone is free to use them. Google just did a much better job than anyone else. If someone doesn't like the results that they point them to, they can use Bing or something else.

    1. Re:Not sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Website owners don't get to choose who provides their traffic.

      The claim is not that the public have been disadvantaged unfairly, but that the comparison shopping webistes have been unfairly targeted.

    2. Re:Not sure... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nobody has to use MS, the alternative is actually free. You also don't have to use IE, every single alternative is free AND has no drawback (unlike Linux, where you could at least argue that software for Windows doesn't run easily on it).

      So what's different with Google again?

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    3. Re:Not sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither do newspapers. Website owners should work to have users want to access their product; Google has nothing to do with this.

    4. Re:Not sure... by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      But in this case, no one has to use Google.

      But it is the dominant search engine, and that's what the EU uses as a criterium.

    5. Re:Not sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only because Europeans want it to be the dominant search engine. They have to make the effort to switch to Google. That means they are happy with the deal, including the results Google delivers, including promoting other Google services.

    6. Re:Not sure... by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      That means they are happy with the deal, including the results Google delivers, including promoting other Google services.

      How is the user supposed to know that a company he is not aware of, is not returned in the search results ?

    7. Re:Not sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They cannot know that for *any* search engine they might use. There will always be some order of results returned, and some other results that fall below the "first page threshold" where people usually stop looking.

      You can only decide whether you like the results of the engine you use, and if not, switch to another, which is trivial and has no "lock in" barrier, unlike an OS say. People in the EU have decided they are happy with Google's results.

      I am not, and therefore I decided not to use it. If other people like it, that's fine. If they don't, then they too can use another.

    8. Re:Not sure... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Nobody has to use MS, the alternative is actually free. You also don't have to use IE, every single alternative is free AND has no drawback

      Wrong on both counts. People have to use MS to interoperate with other people who use MS. This sometimes still includes governments. And there is a drawback to non-IE browsers, or at least there was: ActiveX support, which was needed for many sites to function. And that's a problem which was deliberately created by Microsoft, by abusing their market position.

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    9. Re:Not sure... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Like the drawback of not using Google so the Google-login doesn't work? There are quite some advantages in convenience if you stay in the "Google Family".

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  4. not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not nearly enough, considering the depth of GOOG/Doubleclick hubris & arrogance. Their execs and leadershit should be punished as well.

  5. Another EU money grab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hey which big company has money that we can take...

    1. Re:Another EU money grab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The EU did not choose that Google would violate antitrust laws. Google did.

    2. Re:Another EU money grab by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The EU did choose to violate human rights by creating antitrust laws.

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    3. Re:Another EU money grab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are human rights violated if only companies can violate them (hint: companies are not humans)
      FTFY: Companies choose to violate consumer rights by violating said antitrust laws

  6. Google needs better lawyers by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    >> Google had attempted to settle the dispute with the EU three times in the last six years

    If Google had better lawyers, maybe their attempt to drag this out without resolution would have extended past ten years rather than a mere six.

  7. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All I have to say about that; good. Maybe its enough to kill them off and RISC-V can come along. Fuck Intel; fuck x86.

  8. Net Neutrality by TheSync · · Score: 1

    Isn't making Google pay for this traffic a violation of Net Neutrality?

  9. we don't trust them either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we were #1 in search ranking for our topic for 10 years until we refused to join googoo ad sense, eventually disappearing from goo searches... buyassed gottiesqe advertising co. is our take on IT.. industrial strength deception continues for all of US.. cease fire stand down.. thanks again

  10. No judge, no jury by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The European Commission's antitrust body declined to comment

    Why comment, if you don't need to convince anyone — neither beyond reasonable doubt nor even on the preponderance of evidence?

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    1. Re:No judge, no jury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This works like a speeding ticket. Google can accept and pay or object and get their day in court.

    2. Re:No judge, no jury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you expect a regulatory body to comment on rumours before they have announced their regulatory action?

    3. Re: No judge, no jury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no need to comment or explain. The European Commission does not need and should not suffer its decisions to be discussed by deplorables.

  11. Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who are not their customers are leeches. Leeches have no rights. You use something for free, you have forfeited any right.

  12. The EU loves kangaroo courts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Google is a US company. The EU is going after them solely because of this fact, while domestic firms are given carte blanche. Anti-Americanism sells and keeps the political offices going, so hauling Google, Microsoft, Intel, or a foreign company for another round of kangaroo courts is a way of showing that they "mean business" while keeping business going as usual.

    Were Google a German or French company, this never would have happened. In fact, this wouldn't have happened other than it being in retaliation for VW being caught by US enforcement.

    1. Re: The EU loves kangaroo courts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The EU is a joke to everyone not in the EU. The sooner that whole thing implodes, the better.

    2. Re: The EU loves kangaroo courts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone thought it wasn't a joke, so they had to resort to downmodding anyone griping about it. Figures.

    3. Re:The EU loves kangaroo courts by Muros · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google is a US company. The EU is going after them solely because of this fact, while domestic firms are given carte blanche

      Absolutely true. Just look at the list of companies that have had antitrust rulings against them. Daimler, DAF, Saint-Gobain, Philips, Renault, Iveco, Siemens, Deutsche Bank.... None of these companies would have been ruled against if they were from the EU.

    4. Re: The EU loves kangaroo courts by tsa · · Score: 1

      They modded you down because you made a stupid remark.

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    5. Re:The EU loves kangaroo courts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is a US company. The EU is going after them solely because of this fact, while domestic firms are given carte blanche.

      Could you give an example? Because the overwhelming majority of companies fined by the EU for antitrust violations are European.

      Anti-Americanism sells and keeps the political offices going, so hauling Google, Microsoft, Intel, or a foreign company for another round of kangaroo courts is a way of showing that they "mean business" while keeping business going as usual.

      The cases against Google, Microsoft and Intel were all for clear violations and went through the proper legal procedures. Not once was an American kangaroo court employed. I wish I could say the same about the US shakedown of European banks that 'violated' US regulations outside of US jurisdiction.

      Were Google a German or French company, this never would have happened.

      What makes you think that? German and French companies have had to pay numerous fines in Europe. Again, I wish the US were that consistent.

      In fact, this wouldn't have happened other than it being in retaliation for VW being caught by US enforcement.

      The investigation on Google was going on years before the US started its shakedown and smear campaign against VW. I'm not saying there should be no retaliation (especially with GM, Ford and Fiat Chrysler all being caught doing the exact same thing in Europe and likely in the US too), but this is not it. I don't think there will be ever any real retaliation, though, since the legal systems in Europe are much more geared towards punishments being reasonable and proportional to the violation and the regulatory agencies in Europe do not have the same powers to push political goals. They cannot be used as tools for protectionism in the same way as those in the US.

  13. not all of Google by supernova87a · · Score: 1

    Well, first of all, Google and the EU better be clear about which part of Google faces any potential fine, because they won't have too much success trying to fine the Google parent for the alleged acts of its subsidiary. That is a much smaller part of Google. I wish reporters would get this point right in their stories.

    1. Re:not all of Google by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      It's technically correct. Google is the search company, the parent is Alphabet (one of the stupidest corporate names ever). The suit is against Google, not Alphabet.

  14. Re: Typical euro-weenies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time for Google to block the eu.

  15. How does a company brace? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it take a wide stance? And not in a bathroom stall?

  16. Not the right approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem here is that fining Google (or Intel) doesn't help the situation. Google can easily lose a billion bucks settling the suit. But it doesn't change the market, the fine doesn't fix the problem. There needs to be change put into place.

    The only way this ruling helps is if the billion dollars goes toward helping smaller businesses to break into the markets Google is manipulating. The court needs to not only stop Google's bad practises, but also do something to encourage other businesses to break into the market to provide more competition.

  17. Another solution by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    They should fine Bing for antitrust reasons and promoting a Google monopoly by being so unusably awful.

  18. No settlement possible by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    The Apple case in Ireland and this case as well should indicate to any firm that dealing with the EU, they will be treated punitively in direct proportion to the size of their wallet.

    You're a success? Clearly, you should be punished for that.

    You made a deal with a nominally-sovereign EU government? Too bad! It's not the government's fault, it's yours - please pay us $13 billion.

    Google: you've developed more or less an entire search/commerce ecosystem that none of the Euro-chauvinist competitors can beat? Certainly, you need to be punished: $1 billion.

    Nike, Sanrio, and Universal Studios: you're next!

    Frankly, it would be delightful if these firms decided that the EU was no longer a commercially viable market place. Let them search with Qwant, wear Adidas, and use Nokia phones.

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    1. Re:No settlement possible by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Informative

      any firm that dealing with the EU, they will be treated punitively in direct proportion to the size of their wallet.

      Only if they choose to break the law.

    2. Re:No settlement possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is choosing to make its products available in the EU, and earns a vast amount of money from advertising in the process.

      But Google should play by the same rules that all other companies in Europe are required to do. Why should they be allowed to break those laws just because they are big and American?

      There is a huge difference between having your corporate motto being "Do no evil" and then actually living by that motto. Google seemed to give up on the "do no evil" thing a long time ago, when they realised that they could make a shit load of money instead.

      If Google was a nice company, perhaps they would provide security updates for their products for more than 18 months ...

      This is similar to America pulling out of the Paris climate accord. This is just American's being amazingly selfish and deciding that the rest of the world can pay to fix their pollution. Thank God that China has a more progressive view, it looks like they will be providing world leadership over the coming decades!

      Rant over :-)

    3. Re:No settlement possible by Avarist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      they will be treated punitively in direct proportion to the size of their wallet.

      Are you trying to say they should be fined 50€ instead?.

      Do you know what the purpose of a fine is? It is to dissuade such behaviour. If the fine is not directly proportional to the size of their wallet, they either get crushed if it's too high, or don't care at all and continue if it's too small.

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    4. Re:No settlement possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple wasn't fined for their unlawful tax dealings in Ireland. Ireland was simply ordered to send Apple the tax bill it should have received in the first place.

    5. Re:No settlement possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make a product. It sweeps the competition aside, and everyone's using it.

      You release another product, and it does the same exact thing, again.

      You do it the 3rd time, and it's another hit with the market. Folks love the consistency and integration.

      Next thing you know you get punished for being successful.

      You're very welcome not to install Chrome. That's not there by default anyway. You're very welcome to buy Apple and not Android phone. You're very welcome to not use google's services (Amazon's Kindle stuff proves that you can have google-free android stuff). Folks buy into google's world because it's well integrated, and they mostly trust Google, and for the most part, Google does provide a much better experience than the competition.

      How is that "breaking the law" ???

    6. Re:No settlement possible by tsa · · Score: 1

      What makes the EU different from American politics is that the EU is there for the people. So companies can not easily buy laws that make them get away with screwing their customers by bribing congresspeople like in the US. This means that if a company breaks EU law they are likely to be sued and fined, which is great for the European people because they get good products and service for fair prices.

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  19. EU Budget Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Wait for US company to become extremely successful.

    2. Fine said company for being successful ... oops... for anti-competitive behaviour.

    3. PROFIT!

    1. Re: EU Budget Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you expect from them? Once a Nazi, always a Nazi.

    2. Re:EU Budget Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't the Americans get upset if the EU would copy their scheme?

  20. Re:WW2 revenge by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This is really just the Germans getting even for WW2.

    No, the bureaucrats are throwing a tantrum over Britain's exit, and are hoping to make back some of the money they were milking the U.K. for.

  21. google should disable google.com domain for EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for maybe a month, maybe longer. Say "ok, fine, we're bad, we'll turn ourselves off" Have at, EU.

      I'm guessing revenue loss would exceed the fine, but not by much.

  22. So then advertise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bing can place ads on TV, radio, web banner ads, newspapers, town criers, door hangars, bill posting. It's not Google's job to advertise for Bing. This is akin to USA Today complaining that the New York Times only advertises their own paper.

    1. Re:So then advertise. by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      It's not Google's job to advertise for Bing.

      Google's job is to index the web, and return relevant search results based on a fair algorithm. Hiding bing maps on the bottom of the 9th page (I finally found it), is not doing its job.

      This is akin to USA Today complaining that the New York Times only advertises their own paper.

      That's not the issue. The problem is not Google advertising their own search engine. The problem is abusing their dominant search engine to promote other business interests they own.

    2. Re:So then advertise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google's job is to index the web, and return relevant search results based on a fair algorithm.

      No... that is a service Google provides to you in exchange for collecting your personal information. Google's job is to make money for shareholders. It has nothing to do with "fair algorithms" or "relevant search results", except whereas that may convince you to fork over valuable personal information in exchange.

      You can decide that is not an acceptable proposition, don't use their services, and move on, which is what I've done.

  23. Outrageous by StormReaver · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Microsoft gets fined a few hundred million dollars for causing real, irreparable damage to a critical world industry for decades, but Google gets fined over a billion dollars because some people couldn't be bothered to scroll down a bit? This is mind-boggling stupidity!

  24. Re: Typical euro-weenies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only! I'm sick and tired of searching for something and getting localized results first.

  25. Using your analogy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...your dominant Local Times News is supposed to promote advertising services that the rival (and smaller) Local Picayune Intelligencer provides?

  26. The users can always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...ask for their money back. Oh, Google is free you say? Then sorry not sorry, you have nothing to complain about.

  27. Use a different search engine by ladydi89 · · Score: 1

    What a circus. Google isn't forcing anyone to use its search engine. If the EU has such a massive problem with a company promoting it's own businesses in the course of FREE use of its search features, then they can just block Google altogether. Good luck with Bing! I hope Google tells them to F off.

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  28. Re:WW2 revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The UK hasn't been paying its fair share of contributions for decades. They've been making continuous threats of leaving in order to bargain reduced contributions without a corresponding reduction in subsidies.