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Snowden's Former Employer Under Criminal Investigation For Fraudulent Billing (boozallen.com)

McGruber writes: Booz Allen Hamilton, the contracting firm that was Edward Snowden's employer when he leaked classified information from the NSA has announced that it is under a federal civil and criminal investigation of its billing practices. The disclosure in a regulatory filing sent shares of parent company Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corp. tumbling $7.33, or 18.6 percent, to $32 in Friday trading.

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  1. These two items seem unrelated...? by krotscheck · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why is Edward Snowden's former employment (on the consulting side) relevant to what their accountants are doing? After all, we're talking about a corporation of 22000 people here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booz_Allen_Hamilton

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    1. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is Edward Snowden's former employment (on the consulting side) relevant to what their accountants are doing? After all, we're talking about a corporation of 22000 people here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booz_Allen_Hamilton

      Clickbait.

    2. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right.. it's just an accounting issue /s

      Everyone knows that managers encourage their employees to file fake billing in the consulting arena... it's not some kind of big secret. IBM, Oracele, etc.. are just as guilty. Their philosophy is to bring in a bunch of H1Bs and bill as many hours as possible before the project tanks.

    3. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      It is relevant because it shows, again, the NSA poor standards.

      I've always the Snowden leaks a mark or incompetence rather than malice. They have two jobs : spying and keeping secrets. And Snowden has shown that they failed at the second part. They basically turned into a data sink with no concern for security, including their own.

      That they allow crooks as their contractors for top secret positions is telling. It's either because they can't be bothered doing the necessary background checks (great for an agency that is supposed to know everything...) or they are content with a company that falsifies records.

    4. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's probably because it's an easy way to succinctly explain who they are to the general public, who isn't typically familiar with government contractors. Lots of people know who Snowden is, not so many know BAH.

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    5. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by McGruber · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why is Edward Snowden's former employment (on the consulting side) relevant to what their accountants are doing?

      I submitted the story because (1) Booz employes many IT professionals and (2) I believe their billing practices reflect the corporation's Organizational Culture.

      If Booz is willing to defraud the federal government, how do you think they are going to treat their employees?

      After all, we're talking about a corporation of 22000 people here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      All the more reason to discuss the corporation's organizational culture!

      Snowden did NOT share the corporation's values, according to its CEO: “I told our employees Mr. Snowden was on our payroll for a short period of time, but he was not a Booz Allen person and he did not share our values. We cannot and will not let him define us.” -- Booz Allen’s chief executive, Ralph W. Shrader,

    6. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      All government contractors defraud the government at some level or another. The way the contracts are set up there is often no alternative.

      Silly example from my company: individual employees added to a project need to be approved with billing rates assigned before they can work on it. We had 4 people working on the project, and three quit within a month, two or three weeks before a major deadline. Per the contract, we have to finish the project on schedule, but cannot bill for people that are not approved. What do you do?

      The purpose of all the contract requirements is to try to maintain accountability. It just gets out of hand sometimes.

      Not defending BAH, but there is often more to the story than the headlines.

    7. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by c · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why is Edward Snowden's former employment (on the consulting side) relevant to what their accountants are doing?

      Maybe they're still billing the government for Edward Snowden's time and foreign living expenses.

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    8. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      You get 6 people approved and bill hours at zero so you have back up in case someone gets sick/injured. If zero is unavailable then. 1 hour a week to keep them in a loop meeting.

      This isn't rockets science or hard. The fact your company is too stupid to know that is telling.

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    9. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he also showed that they are spying on YOU, that was the more important point... It's not like anyone ever thought government organisations in any country are competent, efficient and secure.

    10. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Because it's claimed that Edward Snowden lied about his Master's degree, which the background check supposedly failed to uncover. So if your HR is incompetent, it's going to impact the entire organization because they do the hiring for the entire organization (assuming HR is the one that does that, for all I know, maybe the FBI did the background check, I don't know).

      That being said, I'm not sure if the degree thing is true. Many Universities in the US will refuse to confirm degrees, grades, or even attendance if a grad's student loans are delinquent, so it may just be that Edward Snowden paid the minimum on his student loans and decided to stop paying his student loans once he became a fugitive.

    11. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is relevant because it shows, again, the NSA poor standards

      Others with poor standards:

      - People who have oversight of NSA activities
      - People who appoint the overseers
      - People who elect the people who appoint the overseers

      Low standards all around.

    12. Re: These two items seem unrelated...? by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      so what, he gave ed a few bucks.

    13. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Every contractor must be individually approved by the program COTR before being allowed to work on the program - a process that can sometimes take weeks. The COTR cannot approve more people than the project is budgeted for. It is, quite simply, not possible to have 6 people approved for a 4 person project.

      Every time you try to use common sense in government contracting, you will screw up, and in many cases, commit a crime. Don't even try. Just follow the rules, exactly as written. You'll still get sued occasionally, but far less often than if you try to do things the 'right' way.

    14. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, I work for Booz Allen as a government contractor. I actively sought out my job due to my good experiences working with Booz Allen staff. We do have a good corporate culture. We do care about doing the right thing, and are trying hard to deliver on our contractual obligations to the government. We go beyond mandatory training. Every year, each employee is required to review a book on our ethical principles.
      https://www.boozallen.com/about/ethics.html

      Is our track record perfect? No, we've had individuals do things that don't comply with our ethical standards. Like any corporation, those actions are investigated, reviewed, and appropriate actions are taken. We always go back to our clients and do what we can to set things right.

      This kind of issue has our management and staff more upset than you could imagine. Personally, I view Ed Snowden as a whistle blower (minor hero). However, his association with Booz Allen is negligible. He got hired, and failed to show up for work on day one (he was already on the run).

    15. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should stop billing for his hours... at this point he is clearly not generating anything useful to the project.

    16. Re: These two items seem unrelated...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? You actually have experience with the topic being discussed? You are clearly overqualified for a Slashdot discussion. And the unqualified idiot before you kept posting, "It's not rocket science." Duh...

    17. Re:These two items seem unrelated...? by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      Per the contract, we have to finish the project on schedule, but cannot bill for people that are not approved. What do you do?

      You contact the client in writing to cover your ass before a higher up gets the bright idea that you should personally commit a Federal Crime to solve the issue.

      The purpose of all the contract requirements is to try to maintain accountability. It just gets out of hand sometimes.

      As far as I'm concerned, if you've lost 75% of your team just three weeks before a project is completed, that project is doomed. It doesn't matter to me how many new people you throw at that problem.

      See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... There is also the idea that most development teams keep the more difficult problems for the end of the project, and if your development team quit just before completing the final part, it probably means that the most difficult problems have been left unsolved.

  2. Management Consultants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    My employer occasionally hired these management consultants thirty years ago. At that time, they were very adept at interviewing the management, and then telling them a summarized version that confirmed their preconceptions. Do I have a low opinion of "management consultants"? Yes, but I'm a technical person who works from logical principles.

    1. Re:Management Consultants by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 2

      And they were known as "The Bobs" right?

    2. Re:Management Consultants by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My employer occasionally hired these management consultants thirty years ago. At that time, they were very adept at interviewing the management, and then telling them a summarized version that confirmed their preconceptions. .

      That's how a lot of process or business improvement consulting works. In some ways its is crazy how a manager will listen to a consultant telling him/her what changes are needed when employees have been asking for the same things are sometimes ignored. But it often does take an impartial outside view to get to the truth, and often along with the employees knowing what was needed there also comes a ton of employee ideas that are not viable and management sometimes needs help weeding out the noise. A good consultant can sift through the BS and politics that hamper some managers, and describe the scenario in way that aligns with the goals of management.

    3. Re:Management Consultants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It more has to do with risk management and blame shifting.

      If a consultant recommended something and it turned out to a be a bad idea, its very easy to blame the consultant, less so employees (least w/o blowback). If it was a great idea, then the pointy haired manager thought of it themselves! win-win.

    4. Re:Management Consultants by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      A coworker pointed out flaws in the circuit in several places, and was ignored. Problems arose. Expensive outside agency points out the same flaws, and suddenly meetings are held. Not that the problems were fixed, but at least there were meetings to hand wring about it.

    5. Re:Management Consultants by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My employer occasionally hired these management consultants thirty years ago. At that time, they were very adept at interviewing the management, and then telling them a summarized version that confirmed their preconceptions. .

      That's how a lot of process or business improvement consulting works. In some ways its is crazy how a manager will listen to a consultant telling him/her what changes are needed when employees have been asking for the same things are sometimes ignored. But it often does take an impartial outside view to get to the truth, and often along with the employees knowing what was needed there also comes a ton of employee ideas that are not viable and management sometimes needs help weeding out the noise. A good consultant can sift through the BS and politics that hamper some managers, and describe the scenario in way that aligns with the goals of management.

      I had a boss once tell me "The reason we hired the consultant was not to come up with new ideas but take ours ND tell upper management what we already knew but so they would actually listen to the ideas."

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    6. Re:Management Consultants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a boss once tell me "The reason we hired the consultant was not to come up with new ideas but take ours ND tell upper management what we already knew but so they would actually listen to the ideas."

      Because it looks bad for upper management to listen to ideas from employees (showed they are not as smart since they can't come up with that themselves), plus upper management will be responsible if anything goes wrong.

      OTOH, it looks stupid for upper management NOT to listen to ideas from management consultants which they paid big dollars, and if anything goes wrong, upper management can claim they were just following "industry best practices", or blame the consultants.

      That's why the exact same idea coming from employees will be ignored/rejected, but coming from consultants will be implemented immediately.

  3. All too common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone in Defense knows that ever since GWOT, these companies have been over-billing. Their former-government friends are the ones running these companies, and promising hefty paychecks to those who leave the military or civil service for contracting. Boozers have a poor reputation in the defense industry, too, so it comes as no surprise.

  4. I saw that movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Firm C'mon fraudulent billing?

  5. And nothing will come of it by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    And nothing will come of it, save perhaps a slap on the wrist, and maybe some other contractors taking a bit of their turf until THEY are caught defrauding the government.

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  6. Common practice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I worked on government contracts at a large company. The manager of our group would routinely direct the team to falsify time sheets. When I left the company, I informed HR and as far as I understand it, after a brief investigation he was actually promoted.

  7. EDITOR DAVID'S ETHICS ARE LACKING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Why are you painting Snowden and Booz Allen Hamilton with the same brush?
    Are you inferring that they were - in some way - complicit with his acts?
    You are being purposely misleading.
    While you are at it, change your handle from:
                EditorDavid
    TO
                  WannabejournalistDavid

  8. Trump Owns Booz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Under Arrest! LOCK THEM UP! Hahaha! The IRONING!

  9. Disturbing trend in headlines, add unrelated items by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For example:
    "Snowden's Former Employer Under Criminal Investigation For Fraudulent Billing", though the fact that Snowden was employed at one time has nothing to do with the fraudulent billing.

    "Former CenturyLink Employee Accuses Company of Running a Wells Fargo-Like Scheme" when it has nothing to do with Wells Fargo, thus dragging down Well Fargo more for something CenturyLink is doing.

    "Trump-Style Tactics Finally Stopped Working For Uber" which has nothing to do with Trump or Trump-style tactics, just trying to link the 2 to cause an emotional response, but no real connection.

    Is this just to cause clickbait articles? or why is this happening?

  10. Re: Disturbing trend in headlines, add unrelated i by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take off your hat and stay a while.

    Not everybody knows who BAH is. So by giving a tidbit about who worked for them draws a picture into people's minds.

    I agree it's all clickbait. But it isn't some slashdot conspiracy.

    Meanwhile...

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  11. what about moveing staff in house?? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    what about moveing staff in house??

    It should cost about the same with works getting about the same or more pay. All the overhead with a lot of contractors / sub contractors does add up as well lot's of over billing and under timing just to force them to extend

  12. Cost allocation issue? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    From the linked news release it appears to center on how indirect costs were charged to contracts. Gov't contracts often allow overhead and iota indirect costs to be allocated to a contract and charged; you have to be careful how you allocate and the source of the cost. For example, a research institute I worked for had a government contract, and we reserved a conference room for exclusive use as well as had a separate supplies closet of office supplies to be used when working on the contract. No one was allowed to use the conference room unless it was for that specific contact; which lead to a lot of upset people when we told them even if it was empty they can't use; that ensured we were properly charging the cost of that space to the government and not have to jump through hoops to distinguish gov't contract and other work and adjust charges properly. As for the supplies, we kept that under lock and key. We did this things not to be jerks but to avoid having someone with handcuffs and a warrant show up at our door telling us we were now getting free room and board from the government.

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  13. Congress won't allow it by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    The reason big government contractors get so much work is not because most government agencies would prefer it that way. Most would rather do things in house. any efficiency arguments aside, it makes their little empire bigger. Rather it is because there is pressure at the top to do business with contractors who, unsurprisingly, are big donors.

  14. Hey Genius... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do those "benched" employees support themselves while they are billing "zero hours" on the contract? No billing means no money to pay them. Think it through, it's not complicated.

    1. Re: Hey Genius... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have more than one client or project at a time.

      You pay them to go to training/offer comp time while not working overtime on a current project.

      Any other trivially resolved objections?

      Oh. And you be competent at business if you want to run one.

    2. Re:Hey Genius... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do those "benched" employees support themselves while they are billing "zero hours" on the contract? No billing means no money to pay them. Think it through, it's not complicated.

      They work on other projects. Just because they are "approved" for a particular project does not mean they are unavailable to other projects -it just means that they are authorized to work on this project.

  15. I would think this happens all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There are so many companies contracted to the federal government. And I bet if their billing practices were all audited a majority of them would be found improperly billing.

  16. A consultant is perpetual billing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A consultant is perpetual billing.

    Intentional or not (usually intentional), it's more self-serving: More billable hours.

  17. Insider view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It may sound biased, but unfortunately my experience as a contractor has shown me more often than not that the govt couldn't find its ass with both hands. This is usually an effect of the govt being a large bureaucracy with govt employees who don't care that much if the project succeeds or fails. Remember, the govt never went out of business...

  18. Doesn't work that way by SpammersAreScum · · Score: 1

    Large companies can afford to keep paying employees that are not directly generating revenue. Usually they are either in training, or working on internal projects, both of which enable the company to improve what it can do for clients later.

  19. "defrauding" is not the answer by SpammersAreScum · · Score: 1

    "What you do" is not to defraud the client.

    I think you are saying that this was a contract where the client got to approve the specific people, not just the job/billing categories, that work on it? And the contract had no clause for agreeing on replacements if needed? Agreeing to such a contract is risky, and your company paid the price of doing so.

    But I also have wonder: 3 of the 4 named people "quit within a month", and gave so little notice that they didn't stay up to that deadline? Either your company did a really crappy job of gauging their likelihood of staying before it nominated them, or they all had unexpected medical issues, or there was something unexpected and very bad about the client or the actual work. In the latter 2 cases at least the company could have room to work with the client on any needed contract mod.