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A Third Of the Planet's Population Is Exposed To Deadly Heatwaves (motherjones.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Nearly a third of the world's population is now exposed to climatic conditions that produce deadly heatwaves, as the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere makes it "almost inevitable" that vast areas of the planet will face rising fatalities from high temperatures, new research has found. Climate change has escalated the heatwave risk across the globe, the study states, with nearly half of the world's population set to suffer periods of deadly heat by the end of the century even if greenhouse gases are radically cut. "For heatwaves, our options are now between bad or terrible," said Camilo Mora, an academic at the University of Hawaii and lead author of the study. High temperatures are currently baking large swaths of the south-western US, with the National Weather Service (NWS) issuing an excessive heat warning for Phoenix, Arizona, which is set to reach 119F (48.3C) on Monday. The heat warning extends across much of Arizona and up through the heart of California, with Palm Springs forecast a toasty 116F (46.6C) on Monday and Sacramento set to reach 107F (41.6C).

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  1. Real, but by XXongo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Human-induced climate change is real... but this article is alarmism.

    A hint: please don't use Mother Jones as a source for science information.

    1. Re:Real, but by msmash · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree. The same story is also published in The Guardian. I think that gives it more credibility.

    2. Re:Real, but by Kohath · · Score: 4, Informative
    3. Re:Real, but by qbast · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Guardian is pretty good source for news, however their opinion pieces are very often batshit insane.

    4. Re:Real, but by spun · · Score: 2

      You misspelled 'evangelical conservative climate change denier.'

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    5. Re:Real, but by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      but how much of a role humans play in it is something we will not fully understand for a long time.
      Any links for that?
      I thought climate change was driven by the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere (and by that increased water vapour and methan concentrations)
      If you know non human reasons I guess many people would like to know about that!

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    6. Re:Real, but by XXongo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Human-induced climate change is real... but this article is alarmism.

      Climate change is real, but how much of a role humans play in it is something we will not fully understand for a long time.

      Sorry, but no. Although there is a well-paid effort to make people believe otherwise, in fact, scientists are not actually stupid .

      We've understood the basics of the greenhouse effect for over a century; we've had good measurements of infrared absorption spectra for sixty years; we've had good overall models of how it affects temperature for fifty years now; and we've been making detailed measurements of atmospheric profiles and the incident solar forcing factor for thirty years. The overall picture of how human-emitted greenhouse gasses play in climate is understood.

      There is still a lot of science being done, but this is is filling in the fine details. The overall picture is not controversial (at least, not by scientists).

      That said, this is definitely alarmism.

      We agree, however, on that point.

    7. Re:Real, but by hey! · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's a pro tip: look up the result in other sources using google, find a more useful source that tells you things like the name of the journal the research was published in.

      In this case it was Nature Climate Change, a relatively new offshoot of the prestigious journal Nature. Nature Climate Change was established in 2011, but by last year ut gad achieved an impact factor of over 19, making it the most cited journal in its field. This doesn't mean it's infallible, but it means it doesn't have to scrape the bottom of the research barrel to fill its pages. This paper may be right or it may be wrong, but it's pretty much guaranteed not to be garbage.

      Knowing the journal name makes it trivial to find the original paper, or at least the abstract.

      Still it is never possible to know the significance of a paper or a study in the short term. You have to wait until it is cited in a review paper, which will summarize all the supporting and conflicting results that followed any particular piece of research. You should never make a life decision (change what you eat) or policy decision based on any single paper until it has been cited and characterized as sound in a review paper published in a high impact factor journal.

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    8. Re:Real, but by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      What does it really matter if it's alarmist or not at this point? The people who need to listen have already made up their minds anyway, and no adjustment of the volume knob or rewriting of the content is going to change that. We're on a trajectory, and our RCS has failed completely; burn-through of the hull is imminent; smoke 'em if you got 'em, you probably won't get another chance.

    9. Re:Real, but by mpercy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even if warming is part of a natural cycle, it does seem quite likely that man is exacerbating the situation. If nothing else, if we could run our societies without belching pollution into the atmosphere, it'd be the better alternative. I look forward to clean fusion plants (now supposedly only 20 years in the future!).

      So please don't call me a "denier". My issue is that few of the proposed "solutions" seem to be based on science. I see the occasional discussion of carbon sequestration and that sort of thing, but far more often the "solution" is just a cloak hiding the proposer's socialist SJW motives.

      Even the IPCC report seems to be about poverty and income inequality and funding needed to address it. The report said climate change had the largest impact on people who are socially and economically marginalized. "Climate change will exacerbate poverty in low and lower-middle income countries, including high mountain states, countries at risk from sea-level rise, and countries with indigenous peoples, and create new poverty pockets in upper-middle to high-income countries in which inequality is increasing," [the report] said. But funding needed to offset the impact of climate change is lacking, the report warned, saying developing countries would need between $70 billion to $100 billion a year to implement needed measures. And efforts to reduce the effects of climate change would only have a marginal effect on reducing poverty unless "structural inequalities are addressed and needs for equity among poor and nonpoor people are met."

      It's not about climate change or environmentalism, it really hasn't been for a long time...it's about socialist economic policy--redistribution of wealth. The leaders of the movement readily admit as much.

      (OTTMAR EDENHOFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War... First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

      Christiana Figueres, leader of the U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change: “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history.”

      Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S undersecretary of state for global issues, addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”

      Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister: “No matter if the science is all phoney, there are collateral environmental benefits.... climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

      Daphne Muller, green-progressive-liberal writer for Salon: "This moment requires we the people to rethink democracy as a global mechanism for enacting policy for and by the planet."

      Peter Berle, President of the National Audubon Society: "We reject the idea of private property."

      David Brower, a founder of the Sierra Club: "The goal now is a socialist, redistributionist society, which is nature's proper steward and society's only hope."

      Mikhail Gorbachev, communist and former leader of U.S.S.R.: "The emerging 'environmentalizatio

    10. Re: Real, but by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Weed might be a factor.

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    11. Re:Real, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I also live in Phoenix and you are confusing individually hot days with the total number of days over 120. Yes, I also remember in 2001 even that it was so hot they had to stop all flights in and out Skyharbor.

      Also note that on this day in 1990 it was 111 degrees. We're warming that than today. Can you guess when the last record was set for this day? You guessed right, it was June 20th 2016 where it was 116. So while June of 1990 was famously hot, its not even as hot as a normal June for us right now.

      Even the Arizona Republic did a story about average summer temperatures rising and they are pretty damned right slanted.

    12. Re:Real, but by Archtech · · Score: 2

      Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

      Please mod parent up to 5 for "Funny". The Grauniad isn't credible about anything - but especially topics that involve numbers, logic, or science.

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    13. Re:Real, but by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      When it's cold out, I can wear warmer clothes and it's fairly simple to heat my immediate environment by burning things. When it's hot out, there's a hard limit to the clothes I can remove, and air conditioning is complicated and not necessarily all that effective at high temperatures. Moreover, consider room temperature at 70F. The article is discussing temperatures in the neighborhood of 120F, which is 50F above room temperature. 50F below room temperature is 20F, which is very comfortable with proper clothing.

      I live in Minnesota, and have had more problems with heat-related problems (heat exhaustion) than cold-related problems.

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  2. Baseline figure for this prediction by MrMr · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Baseline figure for this prediction by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative
      According to your link, cold is a bigger killer than heat:

      Based on information from death certificates, 10,649 deaths were attributed to weather-related causes in the United States during 2006â"2010. Nearly one-third of the deaths were attributed to excessive natural heat, and almost two-thirds were attributed to excessive natural cold.

      That said, here's a link to the original paper in Nature rather than some spin piece in Mother Jones. The 2100 prediction is outright extrapolation, and there's not quite enough history for me to feel confident about the trendline. But there is enough of a historical trend not to dismiss this as mere alarmism as some have posted.

  3. We live in the tropics or subtropics by xanthines-R-yummy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Considering most of the globe lives either the tropics or the subtropics, this is probably only going to get worse, especially as the temperate zones become more and more tropical.

  4. AZ Experiences Global Warming Every Year! by NaCh0 · · Score: 2

    Or as those of us in Arizona call it... Summer.

  5. the desert is hot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Surprise, the desert is hot and such high heat is deadly if exposed to it too long. Here is an idea, don't live in the desert.

  6. Some alternate sources by XXongo · · Score: 5, Informative
    Some sources that are not "Mother Jones":

    Abstract of the original article: https://www.nature.com/nclimat...
    Press release from Nature East Asia: http://www.natureasia.com/en/r...
    Press release from U. Hawaii Manoa (the institution of the lead authors): http://www.hawaii.edu/news/201...
    Article at phys.org: https://phys.org/news/2017-06-...
    Article at Science Daily: https://www.sciencedaily.com/r...

    Interactive map of number of deadly heat days: https://maps.esri.com/globalri...

    1. Re:Some alternate sources by Barsteward · · Score: 2

      nice work but unfortunately education is wasted on some

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  7. Not just one year [Re:That's nice] by XXongo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Climate change has no effect on a year-to-year basis. If we're showing the weather to someone from Year 1900, then ok, but we aren't, so this is just dumb.

    To be fair, although I think the Mother Jones article is alarmist, the actual work cited catalogued heat-related deaths documented "for 783 lethal heatwaves in 164 cities across 36 countries," referencing a search of publications dating back to 1980. This was not a one-year study.

    1. Re:Not just one year [Re:That's nice] by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      because there were no massive heat waves with even more deaths before that? Like say the 1936 North American heat wave?

      we have better new coverage nowadays, that's all. This is all alarmist trash for young people with no knowledge of recent past let alone history

    2. Re:Not just one year [Re:That's nice] by Barsteward · · Score: 2

      was that a one off event or an increase in occurrences of heat waves ? i've noticed that here in the Uk the summer heatwave events seem to be very regular now when they used to be a one off event. Probably not hot compared to other places but certainly hotter than the norm

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  8. Millions will perish. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it strange that some people call this alarmism when the truth is that extreme weather conditions were predicted to occur decades ago. It's been going on for a while and we're now getting a taste of its brutal heat. The point is that this brutality is going to spread to much of the planet. In the developed world we have electricity to help cool us and sufficient water to keep our crops alive. However, in the underdeveloped world people will try to survive just like they always have but it won't be enough. Either they will migrate to a cooler climate and/or they will die from the heat. If you don't want mass immigration to devastate your nation, you need to be working on a way to reverse the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

    Considering how lightly most countries are taking this threat, million of people are going to die and millions more will migrate and it will reshape our societies. You can call it alarmism but it's really happening and it's happening right now.

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  9. a third has ALWAYS been exposed to deadly heat by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    in 1990 it was 122 deg F in Phoenix.

    this is alarmist trash, study the history of heat waves and find out when the massive deaths were. Hint, not recently. 5,000 dead in the 1936 north american heat wave, for example

    kids. imagining any and every bad thing that happens in their lifetime is the world's greatest tragedy. pffft, this is alarmist nonsense.

    1. Re:a third has ALWAYS been exposed to deadly heat by djinn6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Weather is not climate. One heat wave 80 years ago doesn't prove anything, especially not if you're comparing the two by the number of deaths. People didn't have AC back then, so of course more died.

      Last year was already the warmest year on record, 0.94 C above mid-20th century mean, and we've been having very warm years for the last 2 decades. If your point was that temperatures aren't rising, then I'm going to want to see some data to back up your claims. Even if it's just where you live, can you show temperatures have been flat or falling in the past 4 decades? Or do you just have worse and worse memory and can't remember how cold it was back then?

  10. Today It's just weather.. and a bit of Irony. by dschnur · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've lived in Phoenix most of my life. My family has been in Arizona since the 1930's. It's the summer now, it's hot.

    Late June has always been the hottest part of the year in the southern desert. The high today is well within the curve we expect this time of year. Insane hot? Yes. Atypical, no. Fun watching some unlucky Weather Channel reporter standing outside in the sun saying "Yep it's hot." We try not to do that ourselves.

    However:

    Yearly average temperatures are hotter than before. It's getting hot earlier in the year and staying hot until much later in the year. It's not attention-grabbing enough to say that it didn't drop below freezing for the past two years in Phoenix, but that is significant. It's just significant in a way that has more to do with microclimate, rather than macroclimate.

    Over the years, Phoenix has grown. It's now the 5th largest city in the US. Phoenix also has many satellite cities. Some of them are major cities in their own right. For example, Mesa by it's self is slightly bigger than Atlanta GA. What that means is lots of concrete, paved roads, and air conditioning. All produce or retain heat. Phoenix has developed an urban "Heat Island," which repels rain storms and makes the city even hotter.

    In other words, the Temperature in Phoenix today is NOT a valid indicator of global climate.

    Now, let's go two hours North of Phoenix to Sedona and Flagstaff. Those smaller cities are in forested areas which are drier and slightly warmer than before. It's easy to see large swaths of dead trees in the forests caused by the stresses of longer-term changes in climate (and poor forest management.)

    Now for the irony:
    Most voters in Arizona take it in faith that what they are told by their political party is correct. Arizona is also strongly Republican. See where I'm heading? Strange if you think of it. Perhaps it's the heat?

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  11. Re:This should not alarm anyone by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    Other than a pandemic, the last one we had was a century ago, old age is expected to do the rest. Humanity doubled twice in the 20th century, but it won't even double once in the 21st century. Population should peak at 10B by 2050 and decline to 6B by 2100.

  12. Re: it is a DRY HEAT - and it is not that hot! by KGIII · · Score: 2

    I could be wrong, but I think much of Arizona is not actually a dessert. I bet it wouldn't taste good, at all.

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  13. New normal sometimes is reversion to the mean by mpercy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Example, California drought claimed by alarmists to represent the doom of AGW coming to Cali. But research is indicating that California has been far wetter over the last century than it is normally and that the current drought is actually par for the long-term normal.

    California’s current drought is being billed as the driest period in the state’s recorded rainfall history. But scientists who study the West’s long-term climate patterns say the state has been parched for much longer stretches before that 163-year historical period began.

    Through studies of tree rings, sediment and other natural evidence, researchers have documented multiple droughts in California that lasted 10 or 20 years in a row during the past 1,000 years — compared to the mere three-year duration of the current dry spell. The two most severe megadroughts make the Dust Bowl of the 1930s look tame: a 240-year-long drought that started in 850 and, 50 years after the conclusion of that one, another that stretched at least 180 years.

    “We continue to run California as if the longest drought we are ever going to encounter is about seven years,” said Scott Stine, a professor of geography and environmental studies at Cal State East Bay. “We’re living in a dream world.”

    California in 2013 received less rain than in any year since it became a state in 1850. And at least one Bay Area scientist says that based on tree ring data, the current rainfall season is on pace to be the driest since 1580 — more than 150 years before George Washington was born. The question is: How much longer will it last?

    Stine, who has spent decades studying tree stumps in Mono Lake, Tenaya Lake, the Walker River and other parts of the Sierra Nevada, said that the past century has been among the wettest of the last 7,000 years.

    Looking back, the long-term record also shows some staggeringly wet periods. The decades between the two medieval megadroughts, for example, delivered years of above-normal rainfall — the kind that would cause devastating floods today.

    The longest droughts of the 20th century, what Californians think of as severe, occurred from 1987 to 1992 and from 1928 to 1934. Both, Stine said, are minor compared to the ancient droughts of 850 to 1090 and 1140 to 1320.

    Bill Patzert, a research scientist and oceanographer at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, says that the West is in a 20-year drought that began in 2000. He cites the fact that a phenomenon known as a “negative Pacific decadal oscillation” is underway — and that historically has been linked to extreme high-pressure ridges that block storms.

    Such events, which cause pools of warm water in the North Pacific Ocean and cool water along the California coast, are not the result of global warming, Patzert said. But climate change caused by the burning of fossil fuels has been linked to longer heat waves. That wild card wasn’t around years ago.

    “Long before the Industrial Revolution, we were vulnerable to long extended periods of drought. And now we have another experiment with all this CO2 in the atmosphere where there are potentially even more wild swings in there,” said Graham Kent, a University of Nevada geophysicist who has studied submerged ancient trees in Fallen Leaf Lake near Lake Tahoe.

  14. Cooling wasn't real, but warming is [Re:Real, but] by XXongo · · Score: 4, Informative

    You may "know" that there was a global cooling scare in the 70s, but in fact there wasn't, or at least, there wasn't any such a scare supported by or coming from the science community. The American Meteorological Society wrote an article debunking that myth: http://journals.ametsoc.org/do...

    The myth of the "1970s global cooling scare" rests primarily on one high-profile 1975 Newsweek article, with a scary headline ("The Cooling World"). But the atmospheric science community never had any consensus that the world was heading for a cooling trend.