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Trump Promises a Federal Technology Overhaul To Save $1 Trillion (technologyreview.com)

New submitter threc shares a report from MIT Technology Review: The tech world descended on Washington, D.C. yesterday to attend a tech summit at the White House. According to MIT Technology Review associate editor Jamie Condliffe: "Trump suggested he might relax his stance on immigration as a way to get tech leaders to help his cause. 'You can get the people you want,' he told the assembled CEOs. That sweetener may be a response to a very vocal backlash in the tech world against the administration's recent travel bans. Trump may hope that his business-friendly stance will offer enough allure: if tech giants scratch his back, he may later deign to scratch theirs." The report continues: "'Our goal is to lead a sweeping transformation of the federal government's technology that will deliver dramatically better services for citizens,' said Trump at the start of his meeting with the CEOs, according to the Washington Post. 'We're embracing big change, bold thinking, and outsider perspectives.' The headline announcement from the event was Trump's promise to overhaul creaking government computing infrastructure. According to Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law and advisor, there's much to be done: federal agencies have over 6,000 data centers that could be consolidated, for instance, while the 10 oldest networks in use by the government are all at least 39 years old. The upgrade, said Trump, could save the country $1 trillion over the next 10 years."

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  1. I have my doubts by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doubts that it's going to save $1 trillion. Trump lies constantly and he won't stick to anything he says, so this could even be true in that he'll actually try but as soon as the plan hits any minor bumps he'll give up on it, move on to something else, and blame the Democrats for it. Right now the only "promise" he seems inclined to keep is to try to deport just about every illegal immigrant DHS can get its hands on.

    1. Re:I have my doubts by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't care if Steve Jobs, William Hewitt, David Packard, Seymour Cray, Bill Joy, Linus Torvarlds, Ken Olsen, Ghandi, and Jesus Christ collaborated on this project it could save $1 trillion. These are fantasy numbers and a project this scale would have $10 trillion in hidden costs and risks.

      Trumps association with it only adds 0.00001% extra uncertainty.

    2. Re:I have my doubts by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This sounds like something the clueless PHB would say after watching a vendor's webinar on how their new fog* technology is going to save 90% over cloud services.

      *fog is the new hotness, google it

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    3. Re:I have my doubts by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the plus side, he reinstates H-1B visa's, so that is great, right?

      I think what we should do is tie him to a dynamo and get energy from all his turning around on his points.

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    4. Re:I have my doubts by XXongo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Doubts that it's going to save $1 trillion.

      The goal in all these things is that the concept is to spend money now in order to save money later.

      The reality in all these things is that the "spend money now" part happens, but the "save money later" part never seems to materialize.

    5. Re:I have my doubts by Kierthos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, didn't he basically just treat a "We'd like to do this thing?" as a "It's a done deal, I'm signing this now." for an air traffic control overhaul? (Or am I remembering the wrong thing?)

      Regardless, Trump is all sizzle and no steak. He will say anything that makes him look good, and well, if his attention wanders later and no one ever gets around to doing anything, it doesn't matter, because Trump has already moved on to the next shiny thing.

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    6. Re: I have my doubts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is anyone surprised by the move to back off fixing H-1B abuse? I'm certainly not. I'm more surprised working technology professionals also bought into the con man's words.

      Threats he pushed were simply to pressure other wealthy people to stroke his own ego and feel superior, a show of power. He's a sociopath plain and simple, he doesn't care about social/policy reform that helps your average american and never did. Everything Trump does is for Trump so stop pretending otherwise.

    7. Re:I have my doubts by thegarbz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Trumps association with it only adds 0.00001% extra uncertainty.

      There's no uncertainty about Trump's association. Uncertainty implies that it could go either way. Given Trump's past business dealings it is pretty damn obvious what will happen. He can't monetise his name on it so there's nothing left to generate income.

    8. Re:I have my doubts by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The issue is not that nothing is happening, it's that he is simply tearing up a lot of stuff without any real plan to replace it or understanding of why it is there in the first place.

      The environmental stuff is the best example, but consider TPP. Trump thinks it's a bad deal and he can do better. Okay, but other countries don't want that. Japan is quite openly stalling and trying to wait out his presidency before proposing the US join TPP again, because they don't want a bilateral deal where Trump tries to bully them into making concessions. In a multilateral deal it's much harder to force single issues like tariffs on US beef in Japan.

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    9. Re:I have my doubts by GLMDesigns · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That wasn't the point. The OP said nothing was being done and that Trump wasn't keeping his promises.

      That was a list of things being done and promises kept.

      Do you and I have disagreements with Trump? Yes. Probably. (I can't speak for you) But don't kid yourself. Things are getting done.

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    10. Re:I have my doubts by lexman098 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Objectively, your list is hardly one of real accomplishments. Appointing judges is just fulfilling his responsibility to choose who's appointed. "Relaxing regulations" is basically just saying "yeah go do what you want". Your list of "pushing for" is again just not standing in the way of the status quo. "Getting out of" international agreements is just a statement of "doing nothing".

      In short, he's "accomplished" his goal of having the government do absolutely nothing. His supporters will be pleased.

    11. Re:I have my doubts by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Of course it's not racist. It's negatively stereotyping mostly white guys, so it's ok, carry on.

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    12. Re:I have my doubts by bobbied · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, the poster was pointing out that the liberal leftists are displaying a double standard. They didn't care about Obama's bald faced lies used to sell the fundamental parts of his political accomplishments, yet find Trump's campaign rhetoric and the "promises" he made there to be lies, even though he's been in office less than a year..

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    13. Re:I have my doubts by gtall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, the goal was to promise $1 Trillion over 10 years. El Presidentie Tweetie knows Americans will remember the $1 Trillion, not the 10 years.

      His modus operandi is to promise and predict with wild abandon. The stuff that doesn't come true is lost on the voters, the stuff that miraculously does come true, in spite of el Presidentie Tweetie, he'll trumpet. He took credit for Ford saving all those Ford Focus jobs and keeping them in America. Ford just announced it was moving production to China. Wanna bet we hear either (1) nothing from that bozo, or (2) some whiny tweet claiming he was snookered. Great deal maker? In his dreams and only there.

    14. Re:I have my doubts by gtall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Free market judges will make Americans love the extra pollution?
      Freeing burdensome regulations like those preventing the for-profit colleges from screwing ex-military?
      Pushing for Keystone which will have a negligible effect on employment...except if they get an oil spill and foul watersheds?
      Off-shore drilling in an era of a world awash in oil?
      No one's curtailed fracking except Oklahoma where it is causing earthquakes.
      The Paris Treaty was voluntary, all that idiot needed to do was not volunteer, but it still made his supporters think it was a great achievement while the rest of the world looked at him like he was just too stupid for words.
      Getting out to the TPP will turn the Pacific Ocean into the Sea of China, the countries bordering China now know not to count on the U.S.

    15. Re:I have my doubts by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1, Insightful

      pretty much the only thing he actually delivered was to start deporting illegal immigrants.

      And he's failing at that as well. He promised that in the first hour of him assuming power, he would deport millions of illegals.

      Did you hear anything about that happening? No? Huh. How about that. He lied about that as well.

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    16. Re: I have my doubts by greythax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My sense is that Trump quickly found himself lacking in people who would back him politically and has unfortunately begun to align himself more and more with the huckster caucus of the Republican party, those Republicans interested in enriching themselves and their corporate minions even further.

      This reminds me of an abused wife talking about her husband. "He's a good man, really, he just can't control himself."

      Long before his political career, Trump proved himself to be the very definition of the word Huckster. He made a university that taught nothing valuable. He re-branded regular steaks and blatantly called them the best ever. He can't keep his story, or position strait from day to day, or sometimes in the same breath! To be any more of a huckster he would have to be P.T. Barnum!

      I just wish that people who voted for him could come to terms with the fact that they aren't getting any, not even one, of the things he promised to get their vote. That way they could start finding a candidate for the next cycle who isn't a Simpson's character made flesh.

    17. Re:I have my doubts by Shotgun · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Every administration ever. For instance, how is that "most transparent administration in history" being touted by the last one working out for you?

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  2. Um, I think you got that backwards by aoeusnth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, if you got REALLY lucky, you might save money in the long term.

    The history of government technology overhauls should indicate quite vividly that you not only spend tear-jerking amounts of money to upgrade your systems, you also spend a lot of time thereafter fixing it or throwing it all away and starting over again.

    So I can't decide whether Mr. "The Cybers" man doesn't understand anything about technology, or he understands it so well that he is willing to lie to the American taxpayer about savings when what he actually means is to pump money into the (already wildly successful) technology sector. Either way, I wonder what his blue-collar supporters think about that ....

    1. Re:Um, I think you got that backwards by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Either way, I wonder what his blue-collar supporters think about that ....

      At this point, I think they will support him even if he started bulldozing entire towns of his supporters while claiming it was fake news.

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  3. Citizens first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why is this such a hard concept?

    The USA has no obligation to people who do not live within her jurisdiction or who aren't citizens. There is sufficient talent inside her borders to do whatever we wish to do. It is a travesty that people are so short-sighted they would allow a functional invasion of foreigners.

    1. Re:Citizens first by Highdude702 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're not allowed to say that here. It's racist and anti-American to say "we need to put the American citizens before all others" why, I don't understand but I know I've been mod slammed in the past for saying it.

    2. Re:Citizens first by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You are aware that your economy is propped up by a sea of migrant workers, yes?

      You think you could buy shirts for 5 bucks and apples for a few cents if AMERICANS made and picked them?

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  4. The human factor by jeffc128ca · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have no doubt that you could save hundreds of billions, possibly trillions over the years if smart agreeable people get together and figure it out. The problem is at some point you need to include others and then the trouble starts. Any organization over with more than 100 people run into this. The more people and departments the worse it gets. I am older now and I have seen smart ideas pass from their creators to the masses of underlings and watch it get mangled beyond belief. Your trillion dollar savings will be eaten up by those underlings a hundred fold.

    1. Re:The human factor by ranton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my only 15 years in the industry, what has usually determined success is whether the project sponsors have given authority to the project leads who are competent enough to make decisions that affect multiple departments, or to individual VPs/Directors/Managers in charge of each department. When high ranking management are treated as subject matter experts, but with minimal control over the project, things tend to go well. When high ranking management consistently gets their way and win repeated disagreements with project leads, things spiral out of control real quick.

      Competency outside of a very narrow domain is very rare in this world, and I've never seen a company capable of filling its entire management team with people who not only know their domain well but also can think critically and outside of the box during times of transformation. If average managers (no matter how far up the org chart) get too much control over transformational projects you almost always get a mess.

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    2. Re:The human factor by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have no doubt that you could save hundreds of billions, possibly trillions over the years if smart agreeable people get together and figure it out. The problem is at some point you need to include others and then the trouble starts. Any organization over with more than 100 people run into this. The more people and departments the worse it gets. I am older now and I have seen smart ideas pass from their creators to the masses of underlings and watch it get mangled beyond belief. Your trillion dollar savings will be eaten up by those underlings a hundred fold.

      You hit one one of the main reasons such projects fail; the tech folks fail to understand the people part. They think the Federal government is one monolithic, top down controlled organization who will do whatever the boss says; when in reality it's like pre-WWI (and earlier) Europe, a loose confederation of largely independent individual fiefdoms who will guard their turf vigorously. They have years of experience at killing things so that you only find out they're dead when the body is discovered years later in some roadside ditch, meanwhile you had been getting cards and letters from the dead person telling you how great things are going. Information is power and the bureaucracy will go to great lengths to protect their information from others; and will make common cause to do so when it is in their own best interests. They are the institution, and know they will be around when the "great idea" person is long gone and will play the long game. They will take your money but it is wise to remember Truman's advice to Eisenhower as the latter assumed the presidency and remember that when people in this town (DC) say "Yes Sir" they often are really saying "Screw You."

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  5. Like TrumpOrg's systems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I seriously doubt someone who's own business organization was found last fall to be running Windows Server 2003 and Exchange 2007 has any bloody clue how to manage such a task.

  6. Translation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It funnels 1 trillion dollars into Trump holdings LLC

  7. Re:Why do ppl think old tech os bad tech? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Young people entering the marketplace and want the newest shiny things.

    Older people have enough experience to actually understand the meaning of "if it works, don't fuck with it".

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  8. All just posturing by ranton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Regardless of my feelings about Trump's lack of competence, he is undeniably a master at self promotion and posturing. Tech companies were never going to say no to hundreds of billions in new government IT contracts. But why waste an opportunity to make it seem like he masterfully negotiated the deal? He certainly knew most of his campaign promises would be disastrous, but they spoke to his base (and often independents) and gave him room to maneuver in the undiscerning public eye.

    Trump never wanted to be responsible for destroying our economy with protectionist practices; it would make him look bad. Trump's performance as president has arguably shown his lack of competence at actually executing on his agenda, but his competence at self promoting himself even in the absence of accomplishments is unquestionable.

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    1. Re:All just posturing by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Correction, Mr. Trump thinks the government works the way *his* corporation works.

      No investors, no board, no experts.

      Even Steve Jobs had more realistic expectations on what was possible.

  9. Re:The problem is intractable by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All of that is the reason why you don't subcontract if you don't have to. Ignore the consultants you recommend outsourcing, they are only there to make a killing on the outsourcing, then propose insourcing to your successor and make another killing on basically reverting everything.

    If you outsource and immediately make a contract with the outsourced company for the exact same services that it used to provide in-house, you didn't understand anything.

    There are scenarios where outsourcing makes sense. Most of the actual outsourcings done are not in that set.

    And if you are the federal government, your job is not to provide business to a small number of IT companies. Your job is to serve the people of your country in the best possible way, and having your own IT that doesn't answer to any other business goals is one important part of that mission.

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  10. Re:6 Months later ... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How could it be, all IT is is college boys sipping coffee and typing some cryptic mumbo-jumbo on their key...mouse...somethingorcyber.

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