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Domestic Appliances Guzzle Far More Energy Than Advertised, Says EU Survey (theguardian.com)

Chrisq writes: An EU study has found that many electronic devices and appliances use more energy in real-world conditions than in the standard EU tests. Often the real world figures are double those in the ratings. Sometimes this is achieved by having various optional features switched off during the test. For example, switching on modern TV features such as "ultra-high definition" and "high-dynamic range" in real-world test cycles boosted energy use in four out of seven televisions surveyed -- one by more than 100%. However some appliances appear to have "defeat devices" built in, with some Samsung TVs appearing to recognize the standard testing clip: "The Swedish Energy Agency's Testlab has come across televisions that clearly recognize the standard film (IEC) used for testing," says the letter, which the Guardian has seen. "These displays immediately lower their energy use by adjusting the brightness of the display when the standard film is being run. This is a way of avoiding the market surveillance authorities and should be addressed by the commission."

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  1. the VW syndrome by turkeydance · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Very Widespread

    1. Re:the VW syndrome by avandesande · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I bought an LG TV and it was in some kind of power saving mode when I first plugged it in. It looked awful so I turned it off....

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    2. Re:the VW syndrome by CxDoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I laughed at your 'Czechoslovakia' notion, but I straight out snorted at Samsung being able to afford something one of the most powerful governments in the world cannot. And I'm not talking about the 'political' aspect of EU, which is, granted, kind of slow and impotent, but the most vigorous and agile one - the regulatory.

      What is it with people on this site over and over again underestimating the power of EU? EU regulatory bodies can and actually do enforce their respective regulations all the time.

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  2. After the VW thing that really should be obvious. by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People game standardized tests. Graphics cards, benchmarks, cars, students, teachers, if you have a standardized test, people will put in the effort to game the numbers.

    Maybe they should do what they do for TV : recruit a random sample of people, stick an energy monitor on their appliances, and see what happens.

  3. Standardized tests will invariable result in this by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you have standardized tests, people will do what's necessary to perform well on those standardized tests and ignore anything else. What happened when schools got them? Every teacher began teaching to the test, i.e. what will be asked at this test, everything else was simply swept under the rug. Why? Because it won't be tested, so it's superfluous. Actually harmful, because it will take up valuable time and brain capacity for no gain.

    No gain at the test, that is.

    Same here. Your test will perform X, so we'll do good at X. And on nothing else.

    There's also that problem that customers want cheap TVs that have great features, and that is pretty much the exact opposite of power conservation. You cannot build cheap TVs that have all sorts of features, great resolution, high contrast, fast switching and so on, and don't consume much power.

    Now take a wild guess which of the three things "cheap", "performance" and "compliance" gets thrown out the window? Hint: You can't fire cheap, because that's what both the maker and the customer wants. You can't cut performance, because the user would eventually notice and a huge stink ensues on various test sites on the internet. And compliance is something that gets tested once and nobody really gives a fuck about it.

    So pick the one that you could do without.

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  4. Re:FLASHBACK 1993: Hercules and The quick brown fo by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    toast four slices of bread at once

    *sigh* These Euro-Myths never die, do they? No matter how often they are debunked, they just keep coming back.

    Here is the source of the claim, it's literally one sentence on page 56: http://www.ecodesign-wp3.eu/si...

    A bunch of liars, sorry "journalists", claimed that this meant the EU was going to ban two slot toasters. Such a plan never existed.

    Later a new variation on the claim referred to 4 slot toasters because the EU was considering minimum efficiency standards for heating and cold storage kitchen appliances. Of course, there was never a ban - you can make a 40 slot toaster if you want, it just has to use reasonably efficient heating elements and mechanical design.

    watch HD television

    We have had HD television broadcast over the air for more than a decade in Europe, and you can't buy new SD televisions any more.

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  5. Have you ever met anyone... by OneoFamillion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...who really uses the "green" program on washing machines or dishwashers? If the artifact mostly soaks in lukewarm water for 4 hours and comes out still dirty and with remains of detergent, it has to be washed again. No energy was saved. One can always set goals, but even bureaucrats cannot bend the rules of physics just by creating arbitrary standards.

  6. Re:After the VW thing that really should be obviou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just dishonest companies. The difference between the EU and the US, the EU has rules against this.You want to game the system in Europe? Sure, go ahead. It's a self-certification. You can game it all you want, you probably will get products through, no problem. But wait until you get caught because someone reported you and questioned your documentation, then your top level employees can't even get into Europe because they'll all have an arrest warrant for them. Then you can kiss all your prospects in the EU goodbye.

    I've been watching the EU clamp down big time on this sort of thing in the past two years, especially radio interference tests which is required for all electrical products. Many companies are completely ignoring these required tests and I've seen many burned, especially in the US and China (You think the US doesn't try to ignore things like China? Sometimes they're worse because they argue why they have to do it!!).

    Already watched plenty of companies burned for thinking they can just put the CE mark on everything they want only to get burned by their own client when they questioned their documentation of use of standards and don't comply with anything.

  7. But somebody else broke the law too, why arrest me by XXongo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They made it look as though this was the first ever violation of any kind by a car manufacturer and somehow more evil than anything else that had ever happened, even though it quickly became clear how widespread similar tricks are.

    So, they cheated, they lied about how they cheated, and they became the world's largest car manufacturer as a direct result of the fact that they cheated, but the anonymous cowards are popping up on slashdot saying it's all political.

    "Everybody cheats, why single out VW merely because they did it on a larger scale and deliberately" is not an excuse.