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If You Can Decentralize the Internet, Mozilla Has $2 Million For You (cnet.com)
Mozilla and the National Science Foundation want a new internet. And they want it to be free and accessible for everybody. From a report: They'll pay $2 million for it. On Wednesday, the two organizations issued a call to action for "big ideas that decentralize the web" as part of the "Wireless Innovation for a Networked Society" challenges. The challenges include getting the internet to communities off the grid, with proposals like a backpack with a computer and Wi-Fi router inside.
-Can't do it, it's too late
-Need more money
-Brendan Eich! ahahgfhahadgdaha!
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
got to get there to get off the grid. and in some cases, commercial air travel is necessary.
That's kind of an oxymoron.
However backpack with WiFi is fucking retarded. How far off the grid are the places 500 ft? At that point run some fiber. Geostationary says will work nearly everywhere and iridium will work everywhere it's stupid expensive but since that's already been solved can I have the 2M for pointing it out. As for the decentralizing the Internet isn't that kind of the general idea anyway of the whole project.
https://freenetproject.org/ Those guys are already trying to do it. It is fully decentralized and private. It is very slow, and consumes huge bandwidth, but it works. The real concern here is the lack of choice when it comes to ISPs. They control the last mile, which almost everyone MUST lean on if they want to be on the internet. Break up the monopolies/duopolies and most the problems Mozilla wants to solve evaporates.
It will be filed with nothing but porn and racist sites.
The Internet was designed to be distributed so that it had no central point of attack/vulnerability. Was NOBODY paying attention for the last 20 years while money-grubbing businesses jockeyed for control, thus creating the very problem that it was designed to circumvent??!!
HOW FUCKING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE??!!
slashdot: A failed experiment.
If they want to decentralize the web, DNS and the SSL racket has to change. Domains have been completely compromised by both business interests, particularly the .com domains which have been squatted to hell and back, and government interests that can take away those names just because your politically inconvenient (See: Torrent sites).. And the SSL racket has to go, why the hell should we have to pay huge sums of cash to companys that *clearly* can not guarantee the integrity of the trust chain for certificates and have let us down again and again.
To my thinking, whatever must come next must be decentralized and let *US* choose who we trust and who we don't, both for domains, and for encryption.
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
...And they want it to be free and accessible for everybody. ...
The mega-corporations already control all the on ramps. Of course, if Mozilla intends to rewire every household in the United States, then they might have a chance of hitting their goal.
Mozilla isn't trying to decentralize the internet. The challenge with the money involved is either to deploy access to places that have none OR deploy BETTER access to places that have lousy access.
NEITHER OF THOSE IS "DECENTRALIZATION."
" "Everything has gone wrong. That's the thing, it's not about what will happen in the future it's about what's going on right now. We've centralized all of our data to a guy called Mark Zuckerberg, who's basically the biggest dictator in the world as he wasn't elected by anyone." https://politics.slashdot.org/...
The corporate world and governments don't want a 'decentralized' internet, because that would make it much more difficult to collect data on people, spy on people, surveil people, and exercise censorship. If Mozilla wants a 'decentralized' internet, they'd be better off spending that $2,000,000 on WMDs to wipe companies like Comcast/Xfinity off the map and assassins to kill government officials who advocate for destroying peoples' privacy rights all in the name of corporate profits. For the most part the Horse Has Already Left The Barn, and the only way you'd get real Net Neutrality and true Decentralization would be to hit the 'Hardest Refresh' button.
Not the internet, which is strongly polarized towards the connectivity providers. The "inter" part of internet mostly pertains the ISPs and the carriers. A decentralized solution would require the total kill of the concept of ISP. It would take seconds or even minutes to reach a site (or whatever you call it).
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
Incidentally, whatever happened to Internet2? The very high speed internet that colleges & such institutions were working on?
Anyway, my suggestion: for such a thing, deprecate IPv4 and use only IPv6, and that too, using a 96:32 split instead of 64:64. And make this hierarchichal, so that the uppermost blocks drill down from IANA -> RIR -> Nation -> Organizations. And instead of having provider independent IP addresses, which tends to break that, encourage them to use multicast addresses to group the IP addresses that they have in different domains, be it nations or complete regions.
I'm not sure how to do it, but I know it'll involve middle-out compression.
more fucking gibberish from you.
Your hosts file does not eliminate the need for centralized DNS.
As I write this, the firefox.exe process on my computer has ballooned to 2.8 GB of memory usage.
(which is impressive for a 32-bit windows process)
Focus on the core mission of building a quality web browser, and stop trying to futz up the user interface. The UI was fine 10 versions ago. Or 20 versions ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Freifunk (German for: "free radio") is a non-commercial open grassroots initiative to support free computer networks in the German region. The main goals of Freifunk are to build a large scale free wireless Wi-Fi network that is decentralized, owned by those who run it and to support local communication.
The initiative counts about 400 local communities with over 41,000 access points. Freifunk uses mesh technology to bring up ad hoc networks by interconnecting multiple Wireless LANs
Blockchain-based DNS, then kill the root servers. Beyond that, it's already decentralized as much as it'll ever be.
How about a set of standards that set X amount of bandwidth and Y amount of data use with (this_set_of_security_protocols) and three protocol update sites that you can set any connected device to? A peer-to-peer opt-in on a massive scale.
You could do it by post if you needed to. Oh you mean't delivering advertisements and streaming media not just information. Sorry not going to help with that.
you people are all very narrow minded...
ipfs and blockchain could decentralize the internet with the right team...
If I'm not mistaken, ARPA originally designed to internet to be decentralized by its nature, allowing for continued C&C in the event that a nuclear war took out our major telephone exchange nodes. Big ISP's then pretty much trashed that idea, and we're now in the same boat again, but with less urgency.
I propose a backpack with a computer and Wi-Fi router inside. Now give me my $2M !
USENET
SSL is now completely free via let's encrypt.
Let's Encrypt requires a fully qualified domain name (FQDN) under a well-known top-level domain (TLD), not an IP address in RFC 1918 space or a name under a made-up TLD such as .local or .internal. So do all other CAs whose root certificates are included in Mozilla NSS, as a FQDN is one of the Baseline Requirements adopted by the CA/Browser Forum.
Domains are cheap.
Cheap enough for every head of household to buy and to continue to renew in perpetuity? Because buying a domain is the only way to get a certificate for hosts on your LAN that visitors' devices will trust, and a certificate is the only way you're going to satisfy the "Secure Contexts" requirement for recently introduced JavaScript APIs.
Free ones are available.
Namely?
If you're referring to subdomains offered by dynamic DNS providers, these providers have to be on Mozilla's Public Suffix List (PSL). If a domain isn't already on the PSL, and 20 other users of subdomains under the same domain have obtained certificates in the past week, Let's Encrypt will deny you a certificate, citing its rate limit policy. If a domain is on the PSL, each subdomain gets its own separate rate limiting bucket of 20 certificates per subdomain per week. In addition, submissions to the PSL must be made by the dynamic DNS provider as a pull request through GitHub.com, and use of GitHub.com requires running proprietary software written in JavaScript on your computer.
am i rich now?
For some reason I read that as "$2M to deSTABILIZE" the internet.
I had just about worked through the arrangements to film a video with a Kardassian and about forty cats, good thing I re-read the headline before I signed the contracts!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Mozilla has just sent you $2 million. Addressed to Anonymous Coward c/o slashdot.
Yours sincerely Mozilla Foundation.
p.s. would you like to donate some back to us?
Go fuck a manbearpig, you money-grubbing hypocrite.
Stop making browsers and embrace ubiquity.
The only real way would be if we could make quantum entanglement work as a communications link. The endpoints are already decentralized to varying degrees. As far as better, or none "white space" may work better in that regard.
http://librarybox.us/
Then just build a series of wireless towers to the site. At some location with good optical and a selection of providers, build a tower.
Build more towers as needed to get some network to the off grid site.
Think of security and power needs too.
"How a group of neighbors created their own Internet service" (11/2/2015,)
https://arstechnica.com/inform...
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
US military has been working on this for a long time and a lot of the research is freely available. For example, multi-hop wireless networking has known scalability limits (you can't connect everybody to everybody because the system slows to a halt, a few hundred nodes is probably the limit) so you need a certain percentage of basestations that are better connected via microwave links or wire lines. Store-and-forward helps with disconnection but is very slow and how do you secure such a persistent connection or decide when it should be dropped? How to only partially trust a newly discovered remote service? (See papers on mobile agents and execution on servers that are assumed to compromised.) . I haven't looked at this area for a while, but I think the state of the art is basically what the US uses in warfare, which is small, local multi-hop networks connected to mobile basestations that connect to satellites with encryption on everything and some jamming resistance. How to distribute encryption keys is always a question; you can cooperatively generate a shared key with a remote connection, but how much do you trust them? How do you trust de-centralized services? Reputation systems can help trust be self-healing. At the least some sandboxing is required at multiple levels of both the networking systems and operating systems, including the ability to reset a system back to a known state (e.g., boot from CD-ROM). There are a lot of difficult questions, and ultimately everything relies on people, so it will never be perfectly secure, but some kind of verifiably-fairly-trustworthy-most-of-the-time system that can self-heal-eventually can probably be cobbled together. Opening up long range radio bands to open-access-networking would be very useful for decentralization. Notice that in the US citizens have little access to open and hackable long-range-wide-area radio links that can carry any kind of content. Cellular and Ham radio is fairly tightly controlled as are high power emissions in any band. Ultra Wide Band might be useful for solving the problem of sharing wide area radio links without bad actors destroying the shared resource. Bouncing signals (laser or radio) off the moon is limited to when the moon is above the horizon (and not obscured by trees or buildings) and is tricky to do. Maybe a grid of big metal reflectors in orbit that everyone could bounce signals off of could work more predictably than bouncing signals off the ionosphere?
Hardcoded favorite sites in hosts where you spend most time resolve faster locally from RAM increase speed/security vs.remote central DNS' numerous security issues & protect vs. malware etc. too or DNS being down. This also lightens DNS server loads too (bonus).
* So where's my prize Mozilla? Dns = centralized function of the internet. Use of hosts thus is not.
(Per my subject - China = imitation = flattery http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/26/boffins_supercharge_the_hosts_file_to_save_users_plagued_by_dns_outages/ )
APK
P.S.=> Via APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/ you get all of the above & FAR more for FAR less vs. other "so-called 'solutions'" for security (that slow you down, hosts speed you up)
YouTube Ex. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbMUGQQ2Pn4
D-STAR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-STAR
See subject: Hardcoded hosts favorite sites (where you spend most time) speedup resolution via local system RAM vs. remote DNS.
Hosts secure vs. DNS tracking, security issues + being down & hosts secure vs. tons more threats too.
* Hosts do all that for tons less natively in kernelmode speed (+ hosts even lighten DNS server load (bonus)).
APK
P.S.=> Truth - there's NOTHING like it like right there above... apk
How's life in the hypocrite lane?
Thanks to it's core protocols it's mostly decentralized now. BGP routing protocol that keeps your IP addresses routable across the global Internet does not have any center. Nor do any of the thousands of routers have any central requirements to operate. Really only DNS requires centralized servers.
Australia has community wireless networks (not for profit) like this too such as:
Air-Stream (South Australia): http://air-stream.org/
Western Australian Community Access Networks (Western Australia): http://www.wacan.asn.au/
Melbourne Wireless (Victoria): http://melbourne.wireless.org.au/
Join a club or if there isn't one in your area start your own. Even throwing an Ethernet cable over the fence to your neighbour is a start.
We don't need another piece of technology. There are already several possibilities in play which are in desperate need of resources and support. If Mozilla really wants to decentralise the internet, why don't they start supporting something like IPFS? That project does exactly what they want, but like many others is stuck in the chicken-and-egg stage: No-one will make a website that needs a protocol very few people can access, and no browser or OS vendor will bother to support a protocol that no-one is using.
Maybe an internet without PC's or forced wifi, how depressing.
An internet of refrigerators..
To decentralise the net you just have to establish that tech companies are not allowed to service more than 1 million* users each.
When they do they have to be divided up into smaller distinct localised companies.**
Facebook/Apple/Google/Microsoft/Oracle/Comcast/AT&T/Verizon/IBM/Cisco/Samsung/Sony/Adobe/Mozilla/ etc.. Goodbye.
This is a political fix, just requires lobbying.
I will take my $2 million now.. thanks Mozilla.
* An arbitary figure I pulled out of my ass.
** This will also help to fix tax evasion of said businesses, because knowing there is a cap on customers you can have a rough expectation of net worth and taxes due.
See subject & https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10780593&cid=54679243/
* :)
APK
P.S.=> My use of hosts files does what you're asking. So much so, even CHINA agrees & imitated a feature of my program to do so (see link for proof thereof)... apk
Make every phone and cell tower and wifi device a mesh network device. Somewhere along the way it is provisioned. Hard line for towers and wireless for every phone. Add 5G cell to all routers.
Are they talking about decentralizing the Internet or the Web?
lisp machines for everyone. eperson status for all avatars. blockchain reputation by dns.
and keep the millions. make the transport symmetric and trustworthy to profit humanity by [tr|b]illions.
thanks!
Freenet has been around for seventeen years.
It has never been clear how many people actually use the thing, but the numbers are most probably quite small.
Think closer to ten thousand than ten million.
The user In 2017 expects agility and speed, all sorts of content accessed adeptly and interactively, not the static web pages of GeoCities and dial-up AOL.
It also seems fair to suggest that most users are not interested in installing software that links them directly to the dark underside of the net. Freenet is not the kind of program you want resident on your taskbar when clearing your laptop through customs.
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Now it's not just from Nigeria. They want it so it could be from anywhere on the globe.
Witness BitZtream getting pwned!
The Firefox memory leak problems were fixed a long time ago. Remember that a memory leak is when a program allocates memory but never frees it even when it doesn't use it ever again. Certain add-ons cause excessive memory consumption but Firefox itself doesn't have any significant memory usage problems. I can leave several windows with 10-30 tabs each up for weeks at a time and never hit 2GB of memory usage, and that's with quite a few add-ons and the enlarged pointer/data size of a 64-bit program as well. As for the interface crap, it's shitty but I've adjusted to it so it's not as big of a deal most of the time. The hamburger menu thing is still really stupid and I wish I could print preview the "print selection" option.