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Los Angeles Tests Reflective 'Cool Pavement' On Streets (dailynews.com)

mikeebbbd writes: As reported in the Los Angeles Daily News, during the current heatwave various officials swooped down on streets coated with an experimental light-gray sealer that makes the old asphalt into a "cool street" -- and it works, with average temperature differences between coated streets and adjacent old asphalt around 10F. At a large parking lot, the temperature reduction was over 20F. If the material holds up and continues to meet other criteria, LA plans to use it on more pavement rehab projects, which could eventually make a difference in the heat island effect. The "CoolSeal" coating is apparently proprietary to a company named GuardTop LLC, costs $25-40K/mile, and lasts 5-7 years. At that price, it's might not be used a lot, at least at first; typical slurry seals run $15-30K/mile.

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  1. Wonderful by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

    Lighter color coatings reflect more heat. Complete with expert testimonials!

    “I feel a slight difference on the street and inside my apartment,” said Priscilla Corleto, 24, walking Gatsby, her small white Shih Tzu. “Without the AC, it seems cooler.

    1. Re: Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, a black surface just doesn't reflect visible light. You're conflating black objects with warm objects. Warm objects emit infrared.

    2. Re:Wonderful by Nutria · · Score: 2

      Isn't "heat" just slightly longer waves of red light?

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    3. Re:Wonderful by Jamu · · Score: 2

      Heat is disorganised energy.

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    4. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, like a political comment in a physics discussion.

  2. Plant a tree, save the Earth... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Might be cheaper to plant trees and landscaping in an urban environment. Several tech companies are using rooftop gardens to put the heat to better use.

    https://www.wired.com/2015/03/facebook-moves-new-garden-roofed-fantasyland/

    1. Re:Plant a tree, save the Earth... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Might be cheaper to plant trees and landscaping in an urban environment.

      That is absurd. There is absolutely no way you are going to plant trees along a mile of urban roadway for $25-$40k. You need to add at least two zeros. Even more in LA where no plant life survives without water, so you would need to trench for irrigation pipes, and pay for ongoing maintenance.

    2. Re: Plant a tree, save the Earth... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Or, would it be more cost effective, when re asphaulting the street, to not add the carbon blackening compound, and just coldpack it back in place?

      Whenever you cross the Oregon/Idaho state line, you can tell by the color of the asphalt. Oregon uses black asphalt, Idaho uses white asphalt. If black asphalt absorbs light and retain heat, maybe white asphalt should be used instead?

      http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/57930938.jpg

    3. Re: Plant a tree, save the Earth... by Nutria · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Idaho uses white asphalt.

      Without question, asphalt is black. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphalt

      That Oregon road is aggregate (aka "little rocks") bound together with bitumen, whereas the Idaho roads are just aggregate.

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    4. Re:Plant a tree, save the Earth... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Actually, many of the highways in the desert north of Los Angeles used to be lined with elm trees -- which when I was living there, were big mature healthy trees despite getting no supplemental water whatsoever. (Judging from a few specimens where I was able to count rings, they were planted in the 1940s.)

      Used to be, you ask? The tree-topping craze killed most of them, and your tax dollars paid for it, since L.A. County contracted with a tree trimmer who severely cut back all these formerly-healthy trees. Cut off most of a tree's healthy growth and that takes away much of its water and nutrient storage, forces it to regrow leafy suckers to get enough sunlight, and next prolonged dry spell, it starts to die.

      And then they contracted with another "tree service" to cut down the sad remains and grind the stumps, just in case the beleaguered trees attempted to regrow (as elms will do, being persistent buggers).

      Next contract was, I shit you not, for replanting trees along those same highways, tho far as I know this one has not yet been consumated.

      This all happened about 10 years ago. I wish I had before-and-after photos; the contrast was stark and startling.

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  3. Not if you live in desert by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    we're currently ignoring the whole water shortage thing here in Arizona. It'll bite us in the next 20 years. The wealthier parts where I'm at are crazy with how much green there is. It's like they terraformed the landscape. You can do that when water's cheap due to subsidies but that's not going to last forever.

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  4. Re:why not just mix coloring in to asphalt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Concrete is much more expensive than asphalt. It's also harder to install and maintain. While slabs of concrete may last longer, it doesn't do much good if it becomes irregular (kathunk kathunk kathunk .. for 100 miles). It can't be resurfaced as easily (no grinding down the top and pouring 2 inches of additional concrete on top) as asphalt either. It has use cases on grades that are steep, or where heavy travel craters the asphalt in hot areas (stop lights, downhill braking, etc).

  5. Re:Something cheaper and lasts longer by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 2

    That is great and all until you realize that the places that need this were built on desert.

  6. Concrete.... by drew_92123 · · Score: 2

    Using concrete without a coating of asphalt on top has a similar effect... how about just paving with concrete. It lasts longer, requires less maintenance, and is cooler. If made thick enough it can also be ground down to "resurface" it several times without any need to add more concrete unlike asphalt roads.

    Using asphalt is only done because asphalt is a byproduct of the petroleum refining process and the oil companies have done everything they can to ensure they can sell their waste and force us to use it so they can avoid having to pay disposal fees for the stuff.. And while asphalt *can* be recycled, it also pollutes more than most folks care to believe. The pollution caused by the use of asphalt is right there with the pollution caused by tires... both of them break down into smaller and smaller pieces and make their way into the environment... and the stuff is everywhere, not unlike the lead that used to spew from tailpipes just a few decades ago. Manufacturers of asphalt and tires are even responsible for a far greater evil than simply polluting because we need roads and tires and don't have another option at the moment... the pollution they cause is far greater than it needs to be thanks to efforts to make the products as cheap as possible which leads to premature and excessive wear. Good quality asphalt and tires wear out far slower and therefore pollute less, but greed makes that at best a tertiary concern for profit motivated corporations.

  7. Re:why not just mix coloring in to asphalt by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

    The simple solution is to use concrete tires on the cars as well.

  8. Tokyo, too. by lindseyp · · Score: 2

    They started doing this in Tokyo several years ago. They painted a lot of major roads green. I was worried about them being slippery in the rain, at first, but they turned out to be no worse than bare asphalt, and I believe they helped stem the heat island effect.

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