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The New iPad Pro Review (twitter.com)

An anonymous reader writes: As tech reviewers across the United States and Europe sing praises of Apple's new iPad Pro, here's what Joshua Topolsky, former editor-in-chief of The Verge and Engadget (and now with The Outline) had to say: "It [10.5-inch iPad Pro] is inferior to a laptop in almost every way, unless you like to draw. If you think you can replace you laptop with this setup: you cannot. Imagine a computer, but everything works worse than you expect. That is the new iPad. Now, I know the software is in beta, but I also know how Apple betas work. They don't massively change. I have no doubt it's a very powerful piece of hardware, and the screen is gorgeous. Garageband is a lot of fun to play with. But this doesn't COME CLOSE to replacing your laptop, even for simple things you do, like email. AND one other thing. Apple's keyboard cover is a fucking atrocity. A terrible piece of hardware. Awkward to use, poor as a cover. Okay in a pinch if you need something LIKE a keyboard. Anyhow good to know there are still Apple fanboys who get mad if you insult their products. But I don't think it's a very good product. Finally, iOS 11 is definitely a STEP in the right direction. But guys the iPad has been around forever and it still feels half-assed. I think a lot of people are willing to contort themselves around a bad UX because marketing is powerful."

214 comments

  1. Perhaps because by guruevi · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's not a laptop, it's a tablet and tablets are touch-based, keyboards are an afterthought and useful enough to type email on the go.

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    1. Re:Perhaps because by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      but it's priced like a laptop, not a tablet

    2. Re:Perhaps because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apple isn't marketing it as just a tablet (and the iPads are fine tablets, I'm happy with mine), they're marketing it as a laptop/laptop replacement. It's only fair then to hold it to the same standard as its competitors in that same space. If you're going to say it can replace my mobile workstation you better make sure your keyboard is up to snuff.

    3. Re:Perhaps because by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      And when you try to use a tablet as a laptop replacement, it sucks, because for example the keyboard and mouse support is just wrong. There is no valid reason for this. A large number of powerpoint-based engineering decision makers need to burn in hell.

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    4. Re:Perhaps because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just used a low end samsung tab a, like 250 buck, setting it up for someone and the voice typing blew me away in it's accuracy. Paragraphs of words without mistake. WTF do people need to type emails for?

    5. Re:Perhaps because by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Actually on an MS Surface Pro, the keyboard and mouse work just fine. Probably because the OS is written with mouse support in mind. iOS on the other hand doesn't cater for mice.

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    6. Re: Perhaps because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In noisy environments? Typing confidential things? Days when you have a sore throat?

    7. Re:Perhaps because by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      but it's priced like a laptop, not a tablet

      I guess it is, if you buy cheap laptops...?

      I got mine a couple weeks ago, loaded up.

      So far, I'm pretty impressed. I've been working with RAW and DNG images on Affinity Photo and it works great.

      Getting used to a full blown image editing suite on a tablet, well that takes some getting used to, but so far, it doesn't blink with whatever I throw on it....

      I"m next about to try focus stacking about 10 DNG images next, that will give it a true test....

      I'm new to moving stuff from main workstation through cloud to tablet and back, I'm still trying t figure out that workflow, but so far, it works very well.

      I'm anticipating when the new iOS comes out, and you can do more "computer like" file manipulations, that this will help matters greatly.

      So far, the screen is amazing, the pencil works great, battery time is really surprising me to how long it lasts.....

      I'm impressed. I didn't get the keyboard, didn't figure I'd use it, after all, it *IS* a tablet and I seem to use it as one 99.9999% of the time.

      It is nice to be able to edit photos while at the neighborhood pool lounging around, or at a bar waiting on friends...

      I went 10.5"....best size for portability and you can get same hardware as larger one...

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    8. Re:Perhaps because by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Apple needs to converge them: base them all on their A series line of CPUs, so that OS X and iOS run the same software. Then introduce touch screens on some (but not all) of their Macs, so that they have a complete lineup.

      Honestly, I don't see the point of the pro. I bought a mini w/ 128GB of storage, and am perfectly happy w/ it.

    9. Re:Perhaps because by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Hence my suggestion below - put both Macs & iPads on the same CPU - the A series, so that people can buy Macs and enjoy all the native iOS apps that are out there. OS X should remain the OS, but now would have the capability of running those native. That way, the same apps would work in laptop as well as tablet environments

    10. Re:Perhaps because by unixisc · · Score: 1

      One more thing: I could use an iPad keyboard that had a separate numeric keypad on the right: I absolutely must have that, or typing is really uncomfortable

    11. Re:Perhaps because by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      but it's priced like a laptop, not a tablet

      So is the Surface.

    12. Re:Perhaps because by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Apple isn't marketing it as just a tablet (and the iPads are fine tablets, I'm happy with mine), they're marketing it as a laptop/laptop replacement. It's only fair then to hold it to the same standard as its competitors in that same space. If you're going to say it can replace my mobile workstation you better make sure your keyboard is up to snuff.

      Read the reviews of the Surface keyboard. It sucks balls.

    13. Re:Perhaps because by Bongo · · Score: 1

      What people seem to be missing is that the iPad is not a laptop.

      But I get that. My mom still complains that I'm not Richard Branson married to Pamela Anderson.

    14. Re:Perhaps because by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      Exactly, but the surface is a great ultra portable laptop (as long as you get the keyboard), unlike this iPad which performs nothing more than a tablet.

    15. Re:Perhaps because by Doke · · Score: 1

      Have you ever tried to dictate jargon or anything detail oriented? "Connect the 2m SM LC/LC fiber jumper to router cent-m3 port xe-1/3/0 and to sonet node NEX23 port 1-3-10." Good luck even getting that past autocorrect.

    16. Re: Perhaps because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It only has a gimped mobile OS. And rather than expanding the tablet with a more capable OS Apple seems intent on crowding the Mac OS more toward being a mobile OS

    17. Re: Perhaps because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't an article about the Surface, no matter how much you want to deflect.

      It's not about a machine with a full desktop OS. It's about a machine running an overgrown version of the iPod Touch operating system.

    18. Re:Perhaps because by Wdomburg · · Score: 2

      You mean the Surface Cover that has 4.8 stars at Amazon, 4.6 stars at Best Buy, 4.5 at Walmart, etc?

      The one that is a full keyboard (including a high precision touchpad) and still managed to be twenty bucks cheaper than the Apple cover?

    19. Re:Perhaps because by imgod2u · · Score: 1

      Realistically, the CPU ISA isn't all that's holding back apps from running cross platform. The biggest difference would be the UI. Macs don't have a touchscreen and a mouse isn't a good replacement when it comes to gestures, which a lot of iOS apps use.

      A Surface-like multi-mode OS would work. But you'd have similar problems as the Surface in that a legacy OS like MacOS/Windows doesn't have some of the niceties of a mobile-first OS like iOS/Android when it comes to fast sleep, always-connected, push notifications and background restrictions. Not to mention simplified memory management to reduce page swapping.

      Trying to put the two on the same device would be...problematic. Not impossible. But problematic.

    20. Re:Perhaps because by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Depends on your definition of a 'good' laptop. Sure, I can buy yesteryears's models for $500 but for general use, I wouldn't recommend a sub-$1500 laptop.

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    21. Re:Perhaps because by guruevi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, the MS Surface can't be properly used as a tablet because the OS is intended to be mouse-based control. You have to attach a keyboard/mouse to do basic things like setup a self-signed certificate. It's also not a very good laptop.

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    22. Re:Perhaps because by guruevi · · Score: 1

      I can see the point of larger tablets in some environments like sales and demos. The bigger ones (of any brand) are not intended to be a "pocket device" so I wouldn't even call them "mobile" they're a tablet that you keep in your couch or on your work table or use as a mobile presentation tool.

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    23. Re:Perhaps because by torkus · · Score: 1

      It still sucks. I'm using one right now.

      Sucks is relative though. They keyboard on the MBP is HORRIBLE even in comparison to this keyboard. The trackpad on this is...not the worst thing I've used but I've also had laptops that were 2+" thick and had the 'upgraded' 800x600 LCD. It's pretty bad.

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    24. Re:Perhaps because by torkus · · Score: 1

      Wait, people use speech to text? For real?

      Huh...maybe I should go check and see if someone is on my lawn.

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    25. Re:Perhaps because by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      The average price paid of a laptop must be around $700, and this is in rich countries.
      $1500 is the high end niche, power users.

    26. Re:Perhaps because by kpainter · · Score: 2, Funny

      married to Pamela Anderson.

      But then you only have USB=C instead of Hepatitis-C

    27. Re:Perhaps because by Megane · · Score: 1

      The trackpad has supported gestures for years. I know this because I'm always turning them all off (I only use 2-finger scroll, which can't be disabled) when I set up a new OS install. The only difference is you don't have a finger between your eyes and what you're gesturing at.

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    28. Re: Perhaps because by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      It only has a gimped mobile OS. And rather than expanding the tablet with a more capable OS Apple seems intent on crowding the Mac OS more toward being a mobile OS

      Actually, with iOS 11, they seem to be moving a little more in other Direction.

      1. "Files" App (Somewhat of a File Manager)
      2. Expanded Multitasking and Multi-Window support.

      And probably some other things I can't remember offhand.

    29. Re:Perhaps because by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      It still sucks. I'm using one right now.

      Sucks is relative though. They keyboard on the MBP is HORRIBLE even in comparison to this keyboard. The trackpad on this is...not the worst thing I've used but I've also had laptops that were 2+" thick and had the 'upgraded' 800x600 LCD. It's pretty bad.

      Hmmm. The reviews on the 2016 MBP keyboard have been generally quite favorable. And as far as Trackpads go, no one comes even close to Apple.

      https://www.theverge.com/2016/...

    30. Re:Perhaps because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you text while driving? I have the car read it to me aloud, then I reply aloud. Samsung has this down really well although you could argue it is Google that does since its Android Auto.

    31. Re:Perhaps because by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >The reviews on the 2016 MBP keyboard have been generally quite favorable.

      They seemed slightly bi-model. Some people including me and my wife hate the short key travel and general 'dead' feel of the keys. I kept my existing fully loaded MBP complete with ESC key and a decent enough keyboard.
      .

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    32. Re:Perhaps because by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Have you ever tried to dictate jargon or anything detail oriented? "Connect the 2m SM LC/LC fiber jumper to router cent-m3 port xe-1/3/0 and to sonet node NEX23 port 1-3-10." Good luck even getting that past autocorrect.

      I tried. I'm writing a book. Speech to text and latex do not mix.

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    33. Re:Perhaps because by unixisc · · Score: 1

      They can do something like Windows 10 - make it iOS when used in touchscreen mode, and OS X when used w/ a keyboard/mouse.

    34. Re: Perhaps because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Topolsky also points that out, but instead of suggesting that iOS 11 will make it a great laptop replacement he says EVEN with that it is nowhere close.

    35. Re:Perhaps because by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Apple isn't marketing it as just a tablet (and the iPads are fine tablets, I'm happy with mine), they're marketing it as a laptop/laptop replacement. It's only fair then to hold it to the same standard as its competitors in that same space. If you're going to say it can replace my mobile workstation you better make sure your keyboard is up to snuff.

      Read the reviews of the Surface keyboard. It sucks balls.

      The utter pointlessness of paying attention to anyone as one-eyed as yourself is surely not fucking lost on you?

      I mean, you would quite literally say that, wouldn't you?

      I have one for work. It's a nice keyboard. I don't particularly care one way or the other, because I'm grown up enough not to tie my personal happiness to the perception of a brand that doesn't give a fuck about me either way.

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    36. Re:Perhaps because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Needing to plug in a keyboard to set up self signed certs seems like a pretty reasonable thing don't you think? Not EVERYTHING has to be optimized for touch.

    37. Re:Perhaps because by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      I've been using the Surface Pro 4 keyboard daily for over a year and a half. It's hardly my ideal keyboard, but I'm also not going to carry around a Model M around with me. Given the size and weight constraints, it's a solid keyboard. Surprisingly little flex, good spacing, and decent key travel for being so thin, a backlight with adjustable brightness, and a sane layout including function keys.

      A larger track pad would be nice, but not at the expense of a smaller keyboard, but other than that I have no real complains. It's responsive, accurate and all the multi-touch gestures work fine.

    38. Re:Perhaps because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, but the surface is a great ultra portable laptop (as long as you get the keyboard

      And then it costs more than a an iPad plus a cheap laptop. And is a crap ultra portable laptop as well as a crap tablet that is unrepairable. And it runs Windows.

    39. Re: Perhaps because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Topolsky also points that out, but instead of suggesting that iOS 11 will make it a great laptop replacement he says EVEN with that it is nowhere close.

      Well, even with iOS 12 Topolsky will be an idiot. Don't blame the tool for the fool using it.

  2. It needs to be asked.... by sunderland56 · · Score: 0

    Will it run linux?

    1. Re:It needs to be asked.... by doggo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of iPad Pros!

    2. Re:It needs to be asked.... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Better, a BSD derivative.

    3. Re:It needs to be asked.... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Is Sunderland more interested in the kernel, or userland utilities? If the latter, then you're right. If the former, then this thing uses neither: it uses XNU, which is a few steps up from NEXTSTEP which was a couple of decades ago

  3. Was going to be snarky, but then by chispito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you think you can replace you [sic] laptop with this setup: you cannot. Imagine a computer, but everything works worse than you expect. That is the new iPad.

    Okay so I was going to get all snarky about how, "duh, it's an iPad, what did you expect?" and then I saw Apple's marketing.

    No matter the task, the new iPad Pro is up to it — and then some. It offers far more power than most PC laptops, yet is delightfully simple to use. The redesigned Retina display is as stunning to look at as it is to touch. And it all comes together with iOS, the world’s most advanced mobile operating system. iPad Pro. Everything you want modern computing to be. Now even, well, better.

    So kudos to someone previously associated with Engadget, of all places, to take Apple's marketing to task.

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    1. Re:Was going to be snarky, but then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that it also says:

      So you can edit a 4K video on the go. Render an elaborate 3D model. Or create and mark up complex documents and presentations

      I made a basic 3D model a few weeks ago and it took about half an hour to do a decent quality render on my moderately powerful desktop. I wouldn't fancy trying that on an iPad.

    2. Re:Was going to be snarky, but then by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So kudos to someone previously associated with Engadget, of all places, to take Apple's marketing to task.

      Personally, I would have preferred that it read like an actual "review" instead of a "rant". I get that the marketing made some exaggerations and that the product is less than stellar. However, the tone of the whole thing is rather offputting. I don't need for someone to yell at me to convince me.

    3. Re:Was going to be snarky, but then by doggo · · Score: 1

      Eh. "More power than most PC laptops" doesn't necessarily mean anything, except the machine has a CPU & RAM that rivals "most PC laptops". Does that mean you should expect it to do notebook computer things? Maybe. Or maybe it suggests that you can do tablet-y things with more power? I dunno.

    4. Re:Was going to be snarky, but then by sheramil · · Score: 1

      So kudos to someone previously associated with Engadget, of all places, to take Apple's marketing to task.

      Never take marketing seriously. They exaggerate. They can't not exaggerate. Or as the rest of us say, they lie.

    5. Re:Was going to be snarky, but then by Altus · · Score: 1

      How long do you think that model would take to render on an MacBook Air?

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    6. Re:Was going to be snarky, but then by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 4, Funny

      I made a basic 3D model a few weeks ago and it took about half an hour to do a decent quality render on my moderately powerful desktop.

      Obligatory Dilbert. It's a pretty old strip, so you might replace 286 PC with iPad...

    7. Re:Was going to be snarky, but then by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Heck, by market share numbers aren't "most PC laptops" $500 junkers for web browsing and basic work? Not exactly a high bar to clear, especially at an Apple price point.

      But power shouldn't be measured just in terms of the "engine" but also how well it can be transferred to the "road" - a car with a 600hp engine and jello-based tires is far less powerful in any real application than a 1hp scooter. Similarly, it doesn't much matter how much "horsepower" your "laptop alternative" tablet has if it doesn't offer a useful interface to effectively bring that power to bear on laptop-type workloads.

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    8. Re:Was going to be snarky, but then by retchdog · · Score: 1

      yeah, it seems like a typical tech marketing-way to say they slightly upgraded the components. if someone reads that as saying it can replace a laptop, then it's probably true for that person...

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    9. Re:Was going to be snarky, but then by chispito · · Score: 1

      Yes but what about "Everything you want modern computing to be."

      I want modern computing to be more than a consumption device with a flimsy, optional keyboard and a fancy pen.

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    10. Re:Was going to be snarky, but then by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Wow is it me or is that marketing really obnoxious?

      No matter the task, the new iPad Pro is up to it â" and then some. It offers far more power than most PC laptops, yet is delightfully simple to use.

      That seems incredibly unlikely to me. It only comes with 4G of RAM for a start. It's clearly not a substitute for my ancient W510, since I've got 16G of RAM in that and over a TB of flash in it these days, and I'm not really sure how a dual core 2.2 GHz ARM stacks up against a qudcore i7 1.7GHz. Probably not that favourably.

      And that laptop is bloody ancient.

      Even the cheapest of the shiteboxes have 4G of RAM these days.

      I note that the geekbench benchmarks give remarkable performance numbers for iCrap. That's because Geekbench is utter shite. I develop high performance stuff, which gets deployed on mobile. It always runs much, much slower on any phone than it does on the PC on which I develop it on. Geekbench is so far from the performance I know and anyone I know knows that I would not believe any of their results.

      But basically, it's mostly faster than atom based systems but whoop de doo.

      Everything you want modern computing to be.

      Except that it's not even a replacement for my ancient brick because it doesn't run anything that I actually need day to day.

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    11. Re:Was going to be snarky, but then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the new media. I work with someone that is a non-IT associate who normally pats themselves on the back about how "nerd" and "geek" they are. This is the same person who has worked with Windows for over a decade and still can't find an IP address without being walked through by the helpdesk but has convinced themselves that they need to start doing a video blog on technology because they've classified themselves as an UberGeek.

      Not too far from the days when every spotty 15 year old who could install Ubuntu on a modern laptop thought that they "knew unix."

    12. Re: Was going to be snarky, but then by jisom · · Score: 1

      Some of the synthetic benchmarking has the new iPad Pros on par with the the newly released MackBook Pros with Kaby Lake i7s.

      Apple is also much quicker to remove legacy APIs verse say Microsoft. iOS11 no longer supports 32-bit binaries and with them the need for as much older legacy code that had been replaced since going to 64-bit in the first place. Also having a limited amount of ram is advantageous to getting developers to not waste as much ram and make more efficient programs.

      I find that there appears to be quite the number of programmers that seem to think all computers have 16GB or more of ram with a top of the line cpu and gpu and donâ(TM)t seem to test on anything less.

    13. Re: Was going to be snarky, but then by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Some of the synthetic benchmarking has the new iPad Pros on par with the the newly released MackBook Pros with Kaby Lake i7s.

      Yeah and they're total rubbish. Like I said, I develop high performance stuff which is deployed on mobile processors. All the initial development is done on PCs, and the PCs are much faster. Being in the field, I know other people in other companies who do it and their experience is the same.

      iOS11 no longer supports 32-bit binaries and with them the need for as much older legacy code that had been replaced since going to 64-bit in the first place.

      So? 64 bit isn't a magic pancea. It made a huge difference on PCs because the 32 bit arch was very badly register starved. Special new crypto instructions make a huge difference on a very small set of crypto algorithms. 64 bit ints does make a difference on some algorithms, but with the benchmarks you can often see that the MT performance gains for 64 bit are less than the single threaded gains since those tasks then become bandwidth limited. Either way, the gains were generally at most 20 percent (ignoring new instructions) for 64 bit on ARM, and occasionally a loss probably due to pointer heavy code needing more memory bandwidth.

      Also having a limited amount of ram is advantageous to getting developers to not waste as much ram and make more efficient programs.

      That doesn't make the platform more efficient. If I'm doing a bigass SVD and the matrix doesn't fit in RAM then performance will completely stink no mater how efficient the LAPACK programmers are.

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    14. Re: Was going to be snarky, but then by jisom · · Score: 1

      Obviously I understand that the benchmarks arenâ(TM)t real world. Real world uses vary as well. You obviously have a use case that demands more. There are many use cases that would find the iPad Pros more than enough. Every use cases differs and can be affected by many factors such as networking, ram or storage for instance.

      In regards to the 32-bit drop, I wasnâ(TM)t so much talking about cpu performance. I was more talking about the need for 2 versions of the same code being in ram, which indirectly affects cpu performance, and the ability to get rid of older methods that had been depreciated earlier. If you have 32-bit code and 64-bit code running, you have to have the supporting libraries loaded as well.

      My understanding is that 32-bit and 64-bit ARM ISA are vary different from each other as opposed to x86. I donâ(TM)t know much about any possible performance penalty that may occur when transitioning from 32-bit to 64-bit and back, but I would expect at least a minor one.

      As to the original article, I feel that there are quite a few people that think if it doesnâ(TM)t work for their use case, it wonâ(TM)t for anyone elseâ(TM)s either.

  4. Missing the point by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A review that's complaining that an iPad Pro is a bad laptop makes as much sense as one complaining it's a bad smartphone. It is not a laptop. It is not a replacement for a laptop, it is intended as a companion to a Mac. It's the more portable thing that you use when you want to be able to quickly take notes or reply to emails, but don't want a full laptop. I have an older iPad Pro and previously had an ASUS TransformerPad: I actually use the iPad (the Android tablet mostly sat on a shelf) because it isn't trying to replace my laptop and feeling like an inadequate replacement, it's a device that I use when my laptop would be inconvenient.

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    1. Re:Missing the point by techno_dan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But Apple advertises it as a replacement for your laptop. If they didn't, then the article is garbage, but Apple did, so fair game.

    2. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A review that's complaining that an iPad Pro is a bad laptop makes as much sense as one complaining it's a bad smartphone. It is not a laptop. It is not a replacement for a laptop, it is intended as a companion to a Mac. It's the more portable thing that you use when you want to be able to quickly take notes or reply to emails, but don't want a full laptop. I have an older iPad Pro and previously had an ASUS TransformerPad: I actually use the iPad (the Android tablet mostly sat on a shelf) because it isn't trying to replace my laptop and feeling like an inadequate replacement, it's a device that I use when my laptop would be inconvenient.

      Have you even seen Apple's marketing?

    3. Re: Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's intended as a laptop for those who are too dumb to really use a laptop. Think preteens, mothers, most women actually. The same ones who previously thought the internet is the big blue e and now post nonsense and private informations all over facebook and twitter and are shocked when others know these informations.

    4. Re:Missing the point by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      I know people who will do best on a tablet rather than a laptop. A tablet is perfectly good for mail. My wife pretty much gave up email on anything but her tablet, and she's computer-savvy. My mother-in-law doesn't really know how to use her computer, but can use a tablet. (We got her a cheap Android as an experiment, figuring we could get her a better tablet if it seemed like a good idea. So far, she's happy with what she has.) A tablet is well suited for the sort of person I would have recommended Ubuntu or Mint to earlier.

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    5. Re: Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. You hate women. You might want to think more about that.
      2. "These informations" is not English.

    6. Re:Missing the point by techno_dan · · Score: 2

      Exactly. You are describing people who use it as a tablet, and not a replacement for a laptop. Typing long emails on the laptop is much easier and faster, as well as spreadsheets, complex documents, etc. are all easier on laptop that apple was saying their new tablet could replace.

    7. Re: Missing the point by techno_dan · · Score: 1

      But Apple advertises it as more powerful than a laptop. Your describing someone who does not need anything as powerful as a laptop.

    8. Re:Missing the point by Altus · · Score: 2

      My parents replaced a laptop with a tablet and it does everything they need. I have a work provided laptop and I find that at home, when not doing coding, my iPad is more than sufficient for most daily computing and its not even one of these pro's.

      What you are complaining about here is that it is not a replacement for a PRO laptop... a 4 core monster that can run photoshop or final cut like its nothing.... and thats fair, its not really build to be a replacement for a PRO laptop... but as an alternative to a macbook air for instance? I mean it depends on what specific software you require (though honestly, if you require specific software you are probably looking at pro laptops anyway) but it seems like a pretty legit option to me.

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    9. Re:Missing the point by techno_dan · · Score: 1

      Uhhh I mentioned spreadsheets and complex documents, as well as typing long emails. I never mentioned photoshop, or playing high end games. That's what my desktop is for. As well, I never complained, just stated facts.

    10. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no problem with documents or spread sheets. Of coarse, I pair it with a bluetooth keyboard and screen share to my 4k TV. This is using a standard iPad. Granted I am used to using keyboard + keyboard shortcuts instead of keyboard and mouse.

    11. Re:Missing the point by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      How do you download and store your email on a tablet? How do you archive them and zip them up? O wait, you dont. You access it like a mainframe and have no local anything. We are back to mainframes, greeeeeeaaaattt. Your argument would be better if the Ipad went back to the mac directly instead of routing through Cupertino first.

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    12. Re: Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And apparently you live alone. Or does the rest of your family sit beside you on the couch in the evening watching you do spreadsheets?

    13. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shut up.

    14. Re:Missing the point by guruevi · · Score: 2

      No they don't, they market that it has more power than a PC laptop, they are not marketing it as a MacBook replacement (they don't market against their own line).

      It's like saying that your motorcycle has more horsepower than a cheap car. This may be true, but it doesn't make it a car.

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    15. Re:Missing the point by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      It is not a laptop. It is not a replacement for a laptop, it is intended as a companion to a Mac.

      Except that already exists, it's called an "ipad". What you're saying is that the Ipad Pro is positioning itself between a tablet and a laptop. It's a companion for your tablet and laptop. Great sell me 3 things.

      Or you can just use a Surface. The only thing the ipad pro has going for it is a larger touch optimized app store. From a hardware perspective and from an OS perspective Windows/Surface is already to the point where there is no reason to have a "companion device" to your laptop and carry two devices (or three).

    16. Re:Missing the point by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      How do you download and store your email on a tablet?

      IMAP

      How do you archive them and zip them up?

      IMAP. Or hit the backup button in iTunes.

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    17. Re:Missing the point by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Where does the zip file get stored and how can i put it on another arbitrary computer from the ipad?

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    18. Re:Missing the point by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      To answer your questions, if these are things you want to do you should get something more capable than a tablet. I'd guess that, if you were to get my extended family together and ask how to zip email and put it on another computer, you'd get at least 80% blank looks. I'd also suggest that tablets are not the right environment for programming large-scale software projects, but not everyone does that either.

      My original claim was that a lot of people will find a tablet sufficient for their computing needs, and easier to use than a laptop. I didn't say that applied to everyone, so pulling out a task that most people wouldn't think of doing does nothing that disagrees with me.

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    19. Re:Missing the point by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      There is no reason a tablet should not be able to handle a full life-cycle of email, which includes arbitrary export. Stop making excuses for how poorly Apple thinks of its users that they cant even provide these options.

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    20. Re:Missing the point by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's no reason the average person would want arbitrary export of emails, and the average person would probably have a little difficulty grasping the concept. An iPad could provide every desired service for a very large number of people. People who want more sophisticated services should get a laptop and/or desktop. People who occasionally feel the need for more sophisticated services should talk to a friend or professional service with laptop and/or desktop.

      Apple could certainly provide those options, but more options are not necessarily a good thing.

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  5. Tablets, laptops, desktops, ... by perpenso · · Score: 0

    Tablets, laptops and desktops are all different. All with have their strengths and weaknesses. All are better for certain "tasks".

    And by "task" that is not necessarily some function such as email, but a combination of the function and it frequency of use, the time per instance of use. For a relatively heavy business email environment a tablet may not be a good choice. However for a personal, low rate, short length type of use a tablet may be the better choice. Convenience outweighing a better keyboard, etc.

  6. Well, it depends... by Syphonius · · Score: 2

    If I'm looking to use it to replace a laptop, sure, this review may be spot on. The review tweets seem to be written as that is the tablet's sole purpose.

    Disregarding the absolutist blinders, it seems like a pretty powerful and useful tablet. As products go, it is the only Apple product that I have been tempted to buy.

    1. Re:Well, it depends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Skipping Apple's marketing strategy for a second, the (non-pro) iPad is a decent tablet.The cost delta is roughly $200. For that $200 dollars you get half the storage, pen support, a nicer (and slightly bigger) screen, and beefier SoC. If you don't care about pen support, since it's another $100 accessory. What does the Pro do that a standard model doesn't? What workflows make sense on it?

  7. I don't read verge or engadget, and this is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think I'm going to read Slashdot anymore either if the best it can produce is links to other people's rants. The only reason I'm here right now is because "slashdot.com" is one of the muscle memory URLs my hands type unconsciously when I'm trying to remember something else. Goodbye slashdot. See you the next time I have a brain fart.

    1. Re:I don't read verge or engadget, and this is why by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Another Apple fanboi dismisses negative review of the product they love as 'ranting'. I guess this is why there are only good reviews of Apple products, because no negative review could be a real review right?

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    2. Re:I don't read verge or engadget, and this is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was pretty much a rant. It wasn't a review, it was a series of tweets that were blasted out. It read as full of emotion, it didn't back itself up with examples. It was just a "this sucks and you should hate it. I'm going to yell at you now"

      that's not a review. That's a Trump tweet. Congrats Topolsky, you've gone from being an apple apologist at The Verge to being the exact opposite.

    3. Re:I don't read verge or engadget, and this is why by Maritz · · Score: 1

      I don't think I'm going to read Slashdot anymore either if the best it can produce is links to other people's rants. The only reason I'm here right now is because "slashdot.com" is one of the muscle memory URLs my hands type unconsciously when I'm trying to remember something else. Goodbye slashdot. See you the next time I have a brain fart.

      Nobody cares. Bye.

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  8. wheres the review? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wheres the review? all i saw was a twitter link. that summary is more than 140 chars. jesus.

  9. Stop Liking What I Don't Like! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyhow good to know there are still Apple fanboys who get mad if you insult their products.

    As a non-Apple user, considering how TFS reads like a "stop liking things that I don't like" rant, I am not surprised that people got mad at you.

  10. Can you say "Fucking" in a summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I did not know that! Now I don't feel so fucking crude!

  11. Forever huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So 7 years is a "forever" in his world? It took 9 years to get from the release of MSDOS to Windows 3.0.

    Dude, if you want a laptop buy a laptop.

  12. Re: oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like what Mr president likes to do on twatter

  13. Not on /. by coofercat · · Score: 1

    Anti-apple product bashing such as this just simply won't work here on /. The formula to stick to is to link to an article that praises the worst piece of apple-crap ever as the most awe-inspiring and amazing gadget ever created. Then let the comments slag it off.

    Oh, and we like an actual article to ignore, not just a mobile twitter link.

    1. Re:Not on /. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

      Meh... I'm an Apple Fanboy, sitting in front of a brand new 27" iMac. I thought about getting the new iPad Pro (not for what the iMac is for), but I tried typing on the keypad and hated it... so I'll hang on to my 1st generation iPad Air for a while longer.

      But, I do understand that people's needs are different. I can do most of my work easily enough from a tablet, until I get into writing a heavy document or thinking about opening a spreadsheet.

      I tend to agree with the assessment that it is not a suitable laptop replacement (for me), and didn't really expect many people on /. to feel differently. I think Apple needs to expand the intended use-cases for the Pro models if they want the line to flourish; significant improvements in software and hardware are needed for it to be more universally acceptable.

    2. Re:Not on /. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And even the original iPad has Bluetooth keyboard support. For that matter, it will support the very same keyboard you probably use with your iMac. Keyboard cases are overrated. If you have room somewhere to set down the tablet and the keyboard, then you can probably easily carry the keyboard separately anyway.

    3. Re:Not on /. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      When I had to run all my software everywhere I went, I had a MacBook Pro - one of the good ones, 17" with all the ports. Given my current pared-down road requirements, I use an iMac in the office plus an iPad on the road, for about the same price. Much less mobile hassle.

    4. Re: Not on /. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The original iPad didn't even have Bluetooth.

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    5. Re: Not on /. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Original in this context being the non-pro line, not necessarily the first-generation.

  14. It's an iPad/iPod etc. tablet thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So it's for playing ports of Sierra adventure games or running some relatively lightweight music software and it's good for drawing according to the blurb.

    So it's kind of like an Amiga 500 - if you only consume software floppies made by software editors, or like a game console.

    Even I would rather have it than not, possibly. Don't like it? go make a linux tablet please.
    Also I'm disappointed at '"TFA", it is a link to a microblog with no additional wanted content.

  15. where is the love? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just wish Apple would make a tablet that will run one of the professional music production platforms, like Pro Tools or even Logic Pro X. This is an area where the PC tablets and hybrids are light years ahead of Apple. Considering Apple was a pioneer in tools for artists, I'm surprised they haven't made this a priority.

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    1. Re:where is the love? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just wish Apple would make a tablet that will run one of the professional music production platforms, like Pro Tools or even Logic Pro X. This is an area where the PC tablets and hybrids are light years ahead of Apple. Considering Apple was a pioneer in tools for artists, I'm surprised they haven't made this a priority.

      The heck with running Logic Pro X on an ipad. I just wish they would let me have more than 16 GB in my Macbook Pro. Sample libraries are huge these days. Five instances of Spectrasonics Keyscapes and I'm out of RAM. They really feels like they don't give a rat's rectum about professional musicians anymore.

    2. Re:where is the love? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And then you'd need a dongle for the audio interface and a way to connect external storage. By that point, you've made it a computer again. Multitrack audio gets large fast - especially if you record in a higher sample rate and only resample down for the final mix.

    3. Re:where is the love? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple would love to do this as well. The reason they haven't is because they can't give the performance in a pro app on their iOS devices yet. Battery life is one of the biggest hurdles, along with the costs of memory (can't get by with 4GB of RAM for a pro level app). Then they need to have all of the ease of use of file access, etc.

      Apple is building towards these things one bit at a time, and when the time is right, the two sides will likely converge, but that's years away. You may as well be wishing your Apple Watch could do everything your phone does.

    4. Re:where is the love? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      And then you'd need a dongle for the audio interface and a way to connect external storage. By that point, you've made it a computer again.

      Apple is already selling the iPad Pro as "more powerful than a PC" and a "computer for everything".

      I would like to think "more powerful than" means "can do more". If it doesn't, then what does it mean?

      And then you'd need a dongle

      Suck dongles already exist. When I do field recording or performance control with my Surface Pro, I have to plug it into something. The difference is I can run actual pro software.

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    5. Re:where is the love? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Does iPad Pro even properly support external storage in a way that lets apps access it natively? I know this is solved for the Surface Pro - it's a real computer.

    6. Re:where is the love? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Does iPad Pro even properly support external storage in a way that lets apps access it natively?

      I have no idea any more. After iPad 3, I gave up on Apple as a platform for pro music production. It's a shame too, because I would love to use Logic Pro again despite it's ridiculous price. In 2012, I bought my last Mac Pro and now use only Windows and Linux for music production and sound design.

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    7. Re:where is the love? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "professional musicians" hahahah. autotune is HARD. so is turning on a beatbox.

    8. Re: where is the love? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about all the professional level DAWs you have in the iOS store? This is a well solved problem, actually. The iPad is the most portable professional piece of music gear you will likely own.

    9. Re: where is the love? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      What about all the professional level DAWs you have in the iOS store?

      There are zero professional-quality DAWs in the iOS store. Not one.

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    10. Re:where is the love? by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Ooops, you posted and now everybody knows you're stupid.

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  16. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by UnknowingFool · · Score: 0

    So . . . yeah. I normally don't give credence to style over content but would it kill him to put up a blog instead of a series of Tweets. Also as a former editor, you'd think he could get someone to let him pen an opinion piece or review on a tech site or something.

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  17. Tech People Be Silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tech editor rediscovers he is a tech editor and not Joe Blow. Requires actual laptop unlike most of the world. Writes review for the few other people on earth like himself. Film at 11.

    I for one am completely shocked. /s

  18. Re:iPad Pro is fantastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I currently have two of them, one for each hand

    How do you, uh, surf porn?

    captcha: "stoned"

  19. it is different by fermion · · Score: 1
    t [iPad Pro] is inferior to a laptop in almost every way, unless you like to draw. If you think you can replace you laptop with this setup: you cannot.

    This is true but irrelevant. A laptop still can't completely replace a desktop computer, which is why I still have a desktop, but for most people it is good enough. I was consulting when laptops and PDA became popular, and I spent a lot of time explaining what they could and could not do. It was important to keep it neutral because some people either had the money and desire to be first adopters, or the product could genuinely help them.

    People are scared of change. We see this phones. In old TV shows you see a phone in a car that looks very similar to a home phone. The flip phone was scary. People made fun of the Star Tac and Razr with truly popularized the flip phone, not only because it sacrificed reception for size and style, but because it did not have a 'phone' form factor. Yet a generation later when the iPhone popularized the PDA flat form factor, everyone was complaining that it was not a flip phone.

    I guess the /. editors no longer have the courage to call anything new 'lame' directly, so they have to have a reviewer do it.

    Certainly many people buy tablets who can't use them. On the other hand, I know people who have laptops who do nothing but browse the web. And laptops are much more fragile

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    1. Re:it is different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A laptop may not be able to replace a desktop, in all instances.

      The Surface Pro 4 does do so quite well in my experience. It is a bit costly. A $1,000+ purchase got me a super thin machine equal to my desktop from 2009, using the same monitors, keyboard, and mouse. However with a single magnetic "dongle"/dock, it switches between a "laptop", a tablet, and a conventional desktop with ease. It does what I need it to do, if it didn't I would have upgraded my desktop by now.

    2. Re:it is different by swb · · Score: 1

      I still think the original "half moon" receiver was outstanding design from an ergonomics perspective, providing a simple solution for being able to hear the caller and speak directly into the microphone.

      I'm not sure why you think this was a bad solution for old car telephones. The user already knows how to use it and it uses an existing component already being mass-produced.

      I'd wager a good chunk of cell phone driving problems isn't the distraction from talking on the phone, but the clusterfuck of a tiny flip phone that can't be held securely. If cell phones had Bell 500 handsets, I'd wager they'd be less distracting while driving than a flip phone.

      The race for ever smaller flip phones was less about it's functionality as a phone than a kind of fashion competition to see who could have the smallest phone.

      The complaints about flat PDA phones were legitimate, for whatever flip phones got wrong by going tiny, they at least emulated the functional aspect of the Bell 500 handset's shape and speaker and microphone placement.

      Most people just don't understand how good the Bell 500 handset was as a piece of industrial design, especially people that have only ever talked on smartphones. The speaker goes over your ear, insulating you from background noise and your voice goes directly into the microphone so the caller can hear your clearly.

    3. Re:it is different by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Completely fair point. If you can survive with a 7-year old laptop though you might not be a high-demand user. Yeah, it will work for most things, but there are limitations that aren't viable for many people.

    4. Re:it is different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I replaced my desktop with a laptop years ago and I don't miss anything. I completely replaced it. Not one part of de desktop remained. I use the laptop for coding all day long. It is much more convenient then a desktop. I take it everywhere I go. I can see no reason why a laptop would not be able to completely replace a desktop.

    5. Re: it is different by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      You can buy a Bell 500 style handset that has the four conductor 3.5mm plug to go into a smartphone. They are marketed sort of as a novelty, but they are actually a real improvement for using a smartphone as an actual telephone.

    6. Re: it is different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They said a seven year old desktop. And didn't mention it, but there may have been some incremental upgrades during seven years, even just screen keyboard or mouse. A seven year old laptop just seems crowded by comparison.

  20. Strangely positive non-review by nine-times · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyhow good to know there are still Apple fanboys who get mad if you insult their products.

    First, a statement like this has no place in a technology review. Even if we were to assume this is true, it's a criticism of people, not the product.

    Second, this just isn't a review. It's some guy's angry twitter rant.

    Third, his complaints seem to be that the iPad isn't a laptop. And he's right. It's not a laptop. If you want a laptop, you should get a laptop.

    Finally, his assessment is that iOS 11 is "a step in the right direction.

    Given all of his complaining, I think the take-away here is strangely positive. It reminds me of a review that I read once that gave a Brooklyn restaurant zero stars, saying, "Although the food was really great, it was filled with a bunch of young hipsters, and I hate hipsters." -- to which I wanted to respond, "So you're saying food is great?"

    Well this guy is saying that although it's a step in the right direction, he doesn't like working on tablets because he wants a good physical keyboard. -- to which I want to respond, "So you're saying it's an improvement over previous iPads? Like... for anyone who thought that previous iPads were pretty good, this one is even better?"

    1. Re:Strangely positive non-review by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Third, his complaints seem to be that the iPad isn't a laptop. And he's right. It's not a laptop. If you want a laptop, you should get a laptop.

      Then maybe Apple shouldn't advertise the fact that this device should replace your laptop. The deserve to be called out on their marketing as much as their product, especially when the product fails utterly given the premise of the marketing.

      Second, this just isn't a review. It's some guy's angry twitter rant.

      What is a review if not an opinion of a person? The fact he's angry has no bearing on it.

      Even if we were to assume this is true, it's a criticism of people, not the product.

      Yes, Apple users should get an entire review dedicated to them. *Dons my asbestos overcoat*

      Given all of his complaining, I think the take-away here is strangely positive. It reminds me of a review that I read once that gave a Brooklyn restaurant zero stars, saying, "Although the food was really great, it was filled with a bunch of young hipsters, and I hate hipsters." -- to which I wanted to respond, "So you're saying food is great?"

      And if you buy food to eat elsewhere that would be a valid WTF comment about the review. But a restaurant is far more than just its food. Just like a supposed replacement for my laptop which can't do everything the laptop can do is far more than the OS it comes installed with.

      Well this guy is saying that although it's a step in the right direction, he doesn't like working on tablets because he wants a good physical keyboard. -- to which I want to respond, "So you're saying it's an improvement over previous iPads? Like... for anyone who thought that previous iPads were pretty good, this one is even better?"

      If you want to write your own review, then do so. You're doing no one any favours by putting words in the reviewer's mouth against criteria he didn't compare or test against. It's like me responding to your post with "So you're saying Apple's* are tasty**"?

      *You didn't talk about Apples.
      **You didn't allude to their taste.

    2. Re:Strangely positive non-review by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Then maybe Apple shouldn't advertise the fact that this device should replace your laptop. The deserve to be called out on their marketing as much as their product, especially when the product fails utterly given the premise of the marketing.

      For most of us on this site, it isn't. For people like my parents they never needed a laptop anyway. They are fine with tablets like Androids and iPads.

      What is a review if not an opinion of a person? The fact he's angry has no bearing on it.

      Well as a former editor, the guy knows how to write a review or an opinion piece that is more than 140 characters at a time. A series of tweets seems to be more of a spontaneous reaction than a thoughtful review.

      Yes, Apple users should get an entire review dedicated to them. *Dons my asbestos overcoat*

      Which is contrary to the point of reviewing the product.

      And if you buy food to eat elsewhere that would be a valid WTF comment about the review. But a restaurant is far more than just its food. Just like a supposed replacement for my laptop which can't do everything the laptop can do is far more than the OS it comes installed with.

      The problem is you seemed to ignore that the 0 stars ignored the food which is probably the most important part of a restaurant.

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    3. Re:Strangely positive non-review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For people like my parents they never needed a laptop anyway. They are fine with tablets like Androids and iPads.

      You are talking about older people here. Think it through.
      Tablets have relatively small screens compared to cheap laptops while older people have poorer eyesight.
      Tablets have to be held up during use. Older people find this tiring.
      Good tablets start at 300 dollars. Keep this last point in mind.
      Compare this with Chromebooks. Large screen, real full size comfortable keyboard. Sits on a desk or in a lap where you only have to swipe a little square to access anything on the screen. And the cheapest Chromebooks are less than 200 dollars.
      An iPad is the stupidest thing you can get for elderly people.

    4. Re:Strangely positive non-review by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Then maybe Apple shouldn't advertise the fact that this device should replace your laptop.

      I mostly agree with you there. For some people, an iPad can replace their laptop. I think what they're trying to advertise is that the hardware is becoming powerful enough to compete with laptops in terms of processing power, not necessarily in terms of total functionality. However, the claim is vague and potentially misleading, at best.

      What is a review if not an opinion of a person? The fact he's angry has no bearing on it.

      Well, first, if a review of a new product goes beyond pointing out flaws in the product, into a realm where you can tell the reviewer is angry, it's no longer really a product review. But that's not really where my emphasis was. I was pointing out that this is a disjointed series of tweets, and not a coherent article.

      Yes, Apple users should get an entire review dedicated to them. *Dons my asbestos overcoat*

      I mean, there actually have been whole articles written about people's dedication to the Apple Brand. You want to write about that? That's fine. It just shouldn't be confused with an honest and unbiased review of a specific Apple product.

      And if you buy food to eat elsewhere that would be a valid WTF comment about the review. But a restaurant is far more than just its food.

      Er... of course you can buy food elsewhere. I'm not sure what that really has to do with anything.

      But yes, a restaurant is more than just its food. Still, let's not pretend that the quality of the food isn't a big component of it. But what's funny about this argument is, you're actually missing the point entirely. I think it might be worth explaining that my view is-- and I don't really want to get into a whole side argument here-- that complaining that hipsters like a restaurant is kind of a stupid, petty complaint. "At this restaurant, the food is good, the service is good. Really everything is good. It's just that I'm afraid that the other patrons don't think I'm cool, so this restaurant is stupid and I hate it!" It's dumb. Maybe I should have explained that much, but I was assuming it went without saying.

      So with that viewpoint, you have a review written by someone who is determined to hate the thing he's reviewing. His reasons for hating it are stupid and petty. And still, even that guy is admitting that the food is great? That must be some really great food. I'm sold.

      So that was my point. This guy is just looking for reasons to hate the latest iPad. His big complaints are "I don't like Apple fans" and "I want a laptop and don't want to work on a tablet." Still, his experience leads him to say that it's "a step in the right direction"? In context, that sounds like praise to me.

      If you want to write your own review, then do so.

      I haven't used the new iPad yet. That's why I was interested to read someone's review. From the review, it sounds like it's a nice, though perhaps only incremental, update. That's helpful.

      It's like me responding to your post with "So you're saying Apple's* are tasty**"?

      I would never say that "Apple's are tasty". If only because I know that you use apostrophes to show possession or in a contraction, and not to make a noun plural.

    5. Re:Strangely positive non-review by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      You are talking about older people here. Think it through.

      I'm talking about people who don't need to create much. That's a lot of people. For most people, how many write papers or use spreadsheets at home? At work, people are given a laptop or desktop for that work.

      Tablets have relatively small screens compared to cheap laptops while older people have poorer eyesight.

      If you are not doing detail work, why does that matter? Does your favorite Games of Thrones character look than much better on a 17" screen one foot in front of you as opposed to a 10" screen one foot in front of you. Also you seem to ignore that changing UI settings to accommodate poor eyesight doesn't exist on every single tablet UI like iOS or Android.

      Good tablets start at 300 dollars. Keep this last point in mind.

      And how much does a good laptop or desktop with a monitor cost? About the same or more. In some cases more.

      Compare this with Chromebooks. Large screen, real full size comfortable keyboard. Sits on a desk or in a lap where you only have to swipe a little square to access anything on the screen. And the cheapest Chromebooks are less than 200 dollars.

      Again your assumption is that your need and use of Chromebook to sit on a desk is everyone's need. It's not. People don't really need a laptop to surf the web or watch movies in bed or on a couch. In some cases a laptop is cumbersome for these purposes.

      An iPad is the stupidest thing you can get for elderly people.

      I would say this statement says you haven't thought that through in the slightest. An iPad: Simplified UI. Lightweight. Touch interface. Seems ideal for an elderly person who doesn't care to know anything about computing.

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  21. ...horses for courses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...i use both an ipad and a surface daily, six to eight hours apiece: the ipad is a great tablet which can get you by as a half-baked laptop in a pinch, and the surface is a great laptop which can get you by as a half-baked tablet in a pinch...they're both best-in-class products for their respective use cases, but their venn diagram overlap is a very narrow sliver indeed, despite growing with each generation... ...i've yet to experience any hardware/software configuration which excels in both modes of use...

  22. Tell us how you really *FEEL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't hold back now.

    You of all people should know the RDF only has power over weak minds

  23. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by retchdog · · Score: 0

    sure, but twitter's "style" is actively antagonistic to content... :)

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  24. Why I still won't buy an iPad by sjbe · · Score: 1

    A review that's complaining that an iPad Pro is a bad laptop makes as much sense as one complaining it's a bad smartphone. It is not a laptop. It is not a replacement for a laptop, it is intended as a companion to a Mac.

    If the intent it to be a companion device then it is a failure from the word go. Honestly there is really nothing an iPad does adequately well currently that my iPhone doesn't handle which is why I haven't bought an iPad despite repeated hard looks at doing so. It COULD be useful for note taking and drawing but the software available for that to date sucks sour frog ass. They seem to think everyone who picks up one of their idiotically designed Apple Pencils is a graphic artist who spends their days sketching. I'm an engineer and I would LOVE a device I could take notes, make and share sketches, annotate documents, etc. Students should be able to take ALL their notes on an iPad. But Apple is making toy software that doesn't really do much that is useful for large market segments. The hardware has flaws but it's probably good enough IF the software wasn't so useless.

    The iPad accessories are poorly designed afterthoughts. There is no place to store the Apple Pencil on/in the device. The Apple Pencil is round so it rolls off tables. The covers are terrible and the keyboards are mostly horrid. Sharing documents is clumsy and in useless formats. The iPad has no usable file system or decent organization system or robust ability to share documents between applications or people.

    Basically Apple is treating the iPad like an overgrown iPhone without the phone and the software and hardware that could make it more than that is pretty much an afterthought. People keep buying them and they don't have anyone there visionary enough to make the device more than it currently is.

  25. Still using my iPad 2... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    My favorite app is an alarm clock with an air raid siren that wakes me up at 4:30AM Monday through Friday. I don't need an iPad Pro to be an air raid siren.

    1. Re:Still using my iPad 2... by mccalli · · Score: 1

      I'm using an iPad 2 as a digital radio, via the TuneIn app and sat on a JBL speaker dock. Works well and is more functional than most digital radios you can get, plus I can still use youtube, look up a few things on Safari if necessary and it has reminders/calendar etc.. Makes a good kitchen 'computer'.

  26. This is not a review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's a millennial rant because they didn't get what they wanted. Pajama boys are worse than fanboys.

    If you wanted a laptop, then WHY DID YOU BUY A FUCKING TABLET YOU DOUCHEBAG?

  27. Re: "Pro" by Immerman · · Score: 1

    So... a typical user then? Because let's be honest, probably 90% of computer users, on any platform, are in fact computer-idiots who need all the protection they can get.

    Sadly, most of the major players seem to be far more interested in taking it as an opportunity to run a "protection" racket rather than try actually to fix their swiss-cheese "security"

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  28. Other reviewers love it by MikeMo · · Score: 0

    Funny, there are *tons* of reviews out there that just love the iPad Pro, saying it comes quite close to eliminating their laptop. It's funny because *this* one is the one that gets posted to /. Besides, who said it is intended to be a laptop killer? Microsoft?

    1. Re:Other reviewers love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      That would be Apple. Didn't see that coming, did you?

    2. Re:Other reviewers love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm...yeah--it's actually APPLE saying that it's a laptop replacement. Point of the article seems to be that although it's good hardware, it is not in fact living up to Apple's marketing claims.

  29. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given the way that I use electronics (and I suspect a lot of the IT professionals on Slashdot for whom "Pro" equipment would normally be marketed) the "one stupid tool" probably has a review more along the lines of what I need anyway.

    The new Apple Macbook and Macbook Pro differences annoy me. I want the ports of the Macbook Pro, but I want a physical escape key like the Macbook. I've had enough late nights in server-rooms where I want both the ability to charge and the ability to use peripherals like console cables and ethernet cables where having a single port and an even more complex series of adapters is much more cumbersome, so the regular Macbook is flat-out out of the question, but the lack of real escape key that is as intuitive as the rest of the keyboard is also out of the question.

    So this idea that a tablet could be a "Pro" machine is laughable when they can't even manage to keep their proper laptops "pro". When we talk about Apple starting to deviate from its generally reliable course as far as design goes, this is generally the kinds of things we're talking about. Perhaps we wouldn't have gotten multiple USB-C ports at all if Jobs hadn't died, but we probably also wouldn't have gotten the weird strip under the monitor in-lieu of the escape and function keys either.

    I suppose I could try to get work to buy me an XPS-13 Developer Edition but they'd probably want to put Windows 10 on it in order to join it to the domain.

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  30. The Tandy Model 100 by Small+Hairy+Troll · · Score: 1

    The Tandy Model 100 was one of the last laptops with a decent keyboard, unfortunately. Anything since varies between god-awful and revolting.

    1. Re:The Tandy Model 100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always found the older IBM ThinkPad keyboards to be somewhat decent... at the very least, the key spacing, concave top surface, and the size of top surface weren't abhorrent. Not a fan of rubber membrane for rebound, but I used to achieve my fastest/most accurate typing on them.

    2. Re: The Tandy Model 100 by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates himself coded the word processor on the Tandy Model 100. In 8085 assembly language.

  31. Apple does NOT advertise it as a Laptop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple's advertising is clear that the iPad is different than a laptop. "It offers far more power than most PC laptops, yet is delightfully simple to use." -Apple. They are offering the iPad Pro as an alternative to a traditional laptop, and for many people, that's true. I wonder if the author would lambaste Google for offering ChromeBooks as laptops, as well. They can't do nearly what a traditional laptop can do, but look even more like one than an iPad. What about Windows 10S? How about an article instead of a screed? No, neither the iPad nor the ChromeBook are traditional laptops and thus both have different features that appeal to sometimes similar use/user cases. I have a workstation, laptop, iPad, and iPhone. They all serve different purposes, but have many overlapping functions. I can easily do many of the same functions as my laptop on my iPad, and I frequently carry only the iPad because it's incredibly powerful and more portable than my laptop. I can easily see how many, many users I know could get by with only an iPad in place of a laptop. It would actually make more sense for them for exactly the reasons that Apple states. It's much easier to use and maintain. My 93 year old grandmother and my kids starting at 3 years old have been able to use iPads with little assistance and monitoring only for content. Whereas neither could functionally use a laptop without tremendous effort on my part to show them how and then constant monitoring and maintenance to ensure that they kept running properly. If you need a full laptop, then buy one, otherwise don't be afraid to research your options and find the device that suits your individual needs and budget.

    1. Re:Apple does NOT advertise it as a Laptop. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Paragraphs, who needs 'em?

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  32. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by TWX · · Score: 2, Informative

    I said, "Pro Machine," not, "Tool."

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  33. Positive first impression by Camembert · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bought it last weekend as a replacement of my fossilised ipad 2
    Use case will mainly be typical tablet use, also for watching a movie while cycling in the gym. And on holidays I plan to be editing/finetuning my dslr pictures and possibly videos of the day on it. A glass of beer or wine while editing photos, yes that is holiday to me.
    First impression is good actually. It won't replace my macbook but many daily activities work well on it. The screen is absolutely wonderful, the high refresh rate is noticeably smoother and the colours are great. It is obviously very quick on today's apps. The general use while the ipad is mounted standing on the keyboard cover is not ideal. I find the touch screen more ergonomic if it is lying flat.

  34. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by nine-times · · Score: 2

    I want the ports of the Macbook Pro, but I want a physical escape key like the Macbook.

    FYI, you can still get a Macbook Pro with a physical ESC key.

  35. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by retchdog · · Score: 1

    but seriously, you already knew that the iPad "Pro" isn't for you. you and i and most of slashdot didn't "need" this "review" at all.

    and, yes, Apple is going to the shitter. shame really; i have ubuntu on my desktop and am not looking forward to having that be my daily computing experience. but such is life.

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  36. Re: iPad Pro is fantastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no need to when you're finger fucking Siri.

  37. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    I want the ports of the Macbook Pro, but I want a physical escape key like the Macbook. I've had enough late nights in server-rooms where I want both the ability to charge and the ability to use peripherals like console cables and ethernet cables where having a single port and an even more complex series of adapters is much more cumbersome, so the regular Macbook is flat-out out of the question, but the lack of real escape key that is as intuitive as the rest of the keyboard is also out of the question.

    For someone who's allegedly "had enough late nights in server-rooms", you sure don't read much tech-stuff.

    Your prayers are answered. The first two models have TWO USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 ports (either port be used for charging), plus a Keyboard WITH AN ESCAPE KEY:

    https://www.apple.com/shop/buy...

    See, wasn't that simple?

  38. Re:iPad Pro is fantastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Siri does that for me. Allows me to customise her look, and then we're off to bed

  39. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by dgood · · Score: 1

    I want the ports of the Macbook Pro, but I want a physical escape key like the Macbook.

    FYI, you can still get a Macbook Pro with a physical ESC key.

    Or, if you have to have the touch bar MacBook Pro, just use the keyboard settings and remap the caps lock key to escape.

  40. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

    but seriously, you already knew that the iPad "Pro" isn't for you. you and i and most of slashdot didn't "need" this "review" at all.

    and, yes, Apple is going to the shitter. shame really; i have ubuntu on my desktop and am not looking forward to having that be my daily computing experience. but such is life.

    If you think Apple's products are going downhill, you aren't paying attention to where they are heading.

  41. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    sure, but twitter's "style" is actively antagonistic to content... :)

    And IQ points.

  42. I have one and... by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 2

    I have one of the new iPad pros (the 12.9 with the new hardware same as the new 10" but larger screen).

    Common Sense
    -It's not a laptop, expecting it to be one is starting from a false premise.
    -Slashdot users are not a representative sample of the target audience for the product.
    -For someone who has no computing electronics other than a phone, this would be able to take care of anything that common user would likely need in a laptop. email, browsing, word processor, spreadsheets, paying their bills online, etc.

    The Good
    -I have some visual issues, so bigger is literally better for me and that was part of my decision to purchase.
    -It's big enough to read comics at full size without having to sit in front of my desktop. I can read books with less eye strain.
    -The pen is amazing. The wife is a graphic artist and she is really loving it.
    -We both enjoy coloring using Pigment. That's close to being the killer app for the pad/pencil for us.

    The Not So Good
    -It's biiiig. I'll retain my ipad Air for travel. not getting this out to use on a plane.
    -Any game that forces you to use it in portrait mode makes you feel ridiculous, even when you are alone

    The Wait and See
    -iOS 11 has some interesting things coming.
    -The new file manager is very interesting, and seeing how companies can work apps with that. Could completely change using dropbox with the pad.
    - I'm still hoping for some more powerful photo editors for the ipad now that the hardware is improving. There's a bajillion of them out there but they all have like 20 features and 90% feature overlap between each one. We need something with 80% of photoshop, not another editor just like all the rest.

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    1. Re:I have one and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a Galaxy Pro tablet from like 2 years ago, and it comes with a pencil, a file manager, is equally big.

      Not sure what's with the yawnfest.

    2. Re:I have one and... by Camembert · · Score: 1

      Regarding photo editing, Affinity is promising - worth checking out.

    3. Re:I have one and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -It's not a laptop, expecting it to be one is starting from a false premise.

      Apple is marketing the iPad Pro as a viable laptop alternative. Under that marketing it is fair to expect it to be at least comparable. That is common sense.

    4. Re:I have one and... by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

      I'm with you. I have an iPad Air, wife has the 12" Galaxy and while the screen on the Galaxy is AMAZING using it sucks because it's just too big to hold on to.

      I can't see the point in having a monitor with a computer in it that can talk to a bluetooth keyboard that won't run Windows, Linux, or Mac Linux. If you need portability... A micro cube with a decent monitor and a keyboard mouse fits in a suitcase...

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  43. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are other kinds of "pros" besides IT pros.

    I don't care for tablets, but I can see their use for doctors or warehouse workers, etc.

    Plus, "Pro" is a marketing term, don't take it so seriously.

  44. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

    I want the ports of the Macbook Pro, but I want a physical escape key like the Macbook.

    FYI, you can still get a Macbook Pro with a physical ESC key.

    But those only have TWO USB ports and nothing else. It's barely better then a Macbook.

  45. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL ya right to the shitter.

  46. Re: oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple web pages and marketing brochures are NOT 'tech stuff'.

  47. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    They can be incredibly successful financially while still making crappy hardware and software. Look at McDonald's*.

    * didn't want to pick on them but they're known world-wide and we all understand the analogy.

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  48. Tablet keyboard never made sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Going back to the Tablet PC days, the attachment of keyboard to what primarily are tablets has always seemed poorly done. The first Tablet PCs had tiny keyboards and were unbalanced. Surface and the iPad Pro have to be on a level surface.

    There are some 2-in-1 tablet/laptop combos that do it better by treating the keyboard as an attachment that closes like a keyboard. It's also weighted better since tablets have lost a lot of mass.

  49. Until Xcode runs on iPad by tepples · · Score: 1

    No matter the task, the new iPad Pro is up to it -- and then some.

    Even if the task is developing a new app? I doubt Apple plans to allow a counterpart to AIDE any time soon.

  50. Laptop on an actual lap by tepples · · Score: 1

    If you have room somewhere to set down the tablet and the keyboard, then you can probably easily carry the keyboard separately anyway.

    Even if "room somewhere" is your lap while riding the bus?

    1. Re:Laptop on an actual lap by omnichad · · Score: 1

      That's more somewhere I'd be using an on-screen keyboard. Can you really make the iPad stand up with the case keyboard on a lap on the bus?

    2. Re:Laptop on an actual lap by tepples · · Score: 1

      I haven't tried. But I can stand the screen up with a traditional laptop, which is why I prefer a traditional laptop for tasks that involve much typing.

    3. Re:Laptop on an actual lap by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Right, but that's way off-topic in this thread. I'm a desktop person myself. And I only use a full-size ergonomic keyboard at home.

  51. Why high sample rate? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Multitrack audio gets large fast - especially if you record in a higher sample rate

    I can see the advantage of 24-bit sample depth for intermediate recordings. But what's the advantage of recording at more than 48 kHz sample rate? A 48 kHz sample can perfectly reconstruct signals up to just below 24 kHz, and the ear can't hear frequencies above 24 kHz. Why record what will just get filtered out?

    1. Re:Why high sample rate? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      what's the advantage of recording at more than 48 kHz sample rate?

      That's why you downmix at the end. Think about it like editing a photo. If you have a 20MP photo, you do all your edits to that before you downsample to 1000 pixels wide. If you resize first and then apply effects at the final output resolution, any artifacts or noise will show up in the final output. If you apply those effects at the full size, those artifacts will all be invisible by the time you resample down to your output size.

      In audio production, you often apply half a dozen DSP effects or more to each track. That comes with a certain amount of generational loss. Having some extra overhead will mean that the loss is a lot less likely to be in the audible range. When blending multiple tracks for the final output, you also have to have room to average those waveforms together (this part can just use an internally higher sample rate for the combining, but having more data is still better).

      Does this mean you can't record at 48-bit and have perfect sounding audio in your output? By all means, no. But if you're doing pro-level audio, you just take that extra insurance for every project before you worry about whether you need it or not.

    2. Re:Why high sample rate? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      But what's the advantage of recording at more than 48 kHz sample rate?

      Sound designers and music producers use plug-ins to manipulate sounds. If you're going to sample a sound and then pitch it down for example, you would definitely want it to have been recorded at a higher sample rate. Also, having samplers and plug-ins work at higher sample rates can definitely be audible. But you're right, 48k (or 44.1k) rates are perfectly adequate for most simple sound recording and playback.

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  52. Keyboard, etc by jisom · · Score: 1

    Apple isnâ(TM)t the only company making keyboards for these. Logitech has 2 cases with Smart Connectors, the newer of which, the Slim Combo, is generally better on the 12.9â model and any bluetooth keyboard should work perfectly fine f-keys and all. Most programs donâ(TM)t use the ESC key or f-keys though. Mostly SSH programs and remote desktop programs. Personally had to map the screen for ESC for ease of use with SSH.

    It can easily handle email, web and other every day tasks. There are plenty of apps that can fit various needs as well. I know everyone hates doggles, but with the USB 3 Camera adapter it can even use ethernet and usb keyboards.

    iPads arenâ(TM)t going to be for everyone or every job nor should they. I would place Linux, *BSD, macOS, Android & Windows all under that same statement as well.

    iOS 11 is a big change for the iPad and I hope various things will be changed for improved functionality through the beta process. Currently the first Public Beta is quite a bit rough around the edges, but the overall functionality is quite improved for multitasking. At a minimum, the old method of scrolling through apps for split screen is ridiculous when you have over 70 apps that support it. Dock is definitely a big improvement over that.

  53. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by driblio · · Score: 1

    A 13 inch laptop.
    "Pro".

    How cute!

  54. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by TWX · · Score: 1

    In a commercial or industrial setting I would not use a consumer-grade device. I'd buy the tablet-equivalent of a Panasonic Toughbook.

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  55. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by retchdog · · Score: 1

    sure i am. they're becoming a pure luxury lifestyle company. i can't blame them really, as it's easy money, but it does make their products less useful to me.

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  56. Re: oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HaHa your username is gay!

  57. Re: oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol his name. Would you really want that old cunt running this country?

  58. Finally I get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you. I couldn't figure out why the summary was so obsessively focused on how Budweiser doesn't taste as good as an average-quality stout, it's not as roasty as most stouts and if you look at it very carefully (I have many photographs! and numeric analysis of those photos!) you'll see that it's not very dark. It seems kind of light-bodied too. Where's the malt?!

    Now I see: Apple is claiming it. If the review sounds stupid, it's because some retarded dimwit submitted their Light American Lager into the Stout category. The judges are going to have harsh things to say. People, enter your beer into the right category!

    I'm sure this new iPad is fucking awesome at playing Clash of Clans. Just don't expect it to be as good at word processing as whatever-the-fuck piece-of-shit your secretary was using in 1987. That 1987 computer was a thousand times better at word processing as the iPad's best-case scenario.

  59. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by farble1670 · · Score: 2

    i have ubuntu on my desktop and am not looking forward to having that be my daily computing experience. but such is life.

    Get used to it. 2018 is poised to be the year of the Linux Desktop.

  60. Our family loves our 3 tablets. We like our laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have 3 tablets and they work great for what they do. The kids really can make some amazing things using our 9.7" iPad pro.

    Seems overtly obvious that the iPad does not make a good laptop..... it is a tablet.

    For the kinds of things we need a computer for we use a laptop.
    But a tablet is ultra convenient for what it is great at.... art and content consumption.
    Not sure why people keep trying to blame apple for a terrible laptop experience for their tablet.
    Seems non-sensical.

  61. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    A 13 inch laptop.
    "Pro".

    How cute!

    Isn't it, though?

    Just right for dragging around in a cramped server room!

  62. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    sure i am. they're becoming a pure luxury lifestyle company. i can't blame them really, as it's easy money, but it does make their products less useful to me.

    Yeah, an 18-Core Xeon-powered iMac with a 27" 5k Display, Radeon Pro Vega 64 GPU w/16 GB of HBM2 Memory, 128 GB ECC RAM, 4 TB SSD, and 4 USB-C/TB3 Ports, PLUS 4 USB 3.0 Ports, PLUS a 10GigE Port is a "fashion statement".

    https://www.apple.com/imac-pro...

    But, It does happen to be beautiful, too...

  63. Four words (for those who want to stay married). by ScienceMan · · Score: 1

    My wife loves it.

  64. A laptop makes a crappy tablet by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    If you want a laptop, buy a f**ing laptop. What I wanted was a tablet, and could give a shit how bad some add-on keyboard is, if I wanted an add-on keyboard I would have bought a laptop. I didn't buy it to write long-winded word processing documents. I've had mine for a good 4 years now, and it's been great. I have a laptop too. If I had to choose between the tablet and laptop, I'd pick the tablet, as the laptop I've hardly used. When I want to do a lot of writing, I use my desktop, because a laptop also makes a crappy desktop-- I've got a split ergo keyboard for my desktop, the crappy laptop keyboard gives me carpal tunnel pain.

  65. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "As tech reviewers across the United States and Europe sing praises of Apple's new iPad Pro,we managed to find one stupid tool who doesn't like it so here is the REAL deal about the iPad Pro.

    "Somebody doesn't like an Apple product?! That person must just be a stupid person then. Every Apple product is the best and everybody likes them and anybody that doesn't like them is stupid and wrong and a liar."

  66. I quite like my pro 9.7 by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    But I'll be damned if I'd ever consider replacing a laptop with an iPad. I know people who have, but their workflow is very very different to mine.

    Personally as a geek / nerd, it's just not viable. So his review is a bit harsh, but from the laptop replacement perspective, can't say he's wrong.

  67. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    I want the ports of the Macbook Pro, but I want a physical escape key like the Macbook.

    FYI, you can still get a Macbook Pro with a physical ESC key.

    Or, if you have to have the touch bar MacBook Pro, just use the keyboard settings and remap the caps lock key to escape.

    But I would map the caps lock to ctrl, to be like my Happy Hacking keyboard.

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  68. This is what's irritating about the "new Apple" .. by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    If you look at the iPad's history, you find it was something Steve Jobs basically dreamed up as his health was starting to fail and he was spending more time lying in hospital beds, or at least lying down, resting.

    And that's pretty much exactly what the device was outstanding at doing .... providing a better experience for viewing or manipulating digital content when you're not sitting down.

    Not only did it make a pretty good device to read your emails in bed at night, but it turns out it was pretty handy for doctors who have to work with and review data while standing up or walking around.

    Ever since Tim Cook became CEO, the whole tone seems to have changed. He made public comments that he hardly uses a laptop computer anymore and seems to truly think tablets and touchscreens are the future of computing for a large segment of the population.

    No matter how hard Apple pushes that idea though? Where I see iPads proliferating the most are at the opposite end of the spectrum. More and more, they're being implemented as single purpose control panels or kiosks. You can hang one on a conference room wall and integrate it with a calendar/scheduling system so everyone can book meetings with a couple of taps, or see when the room is going to be in use. It may even remote control the video-conference itself. These uses don't require a high end model though. Right now, all of these "Square registers" used in small stores and everything else are essentially re-purposing and extending the lives of all of the older iPads still in operation.

    The high end iPad Pros have a niche for artists, certainly. But otherwise, they really only make sense as compliments to a full blown computer. When you know you won't need the power or full functionality of a notebook, you can bring the iPad instead.

  69. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by TWX · · Score: 1

    It might actually. Last time I looked at Apple's website it wasn't exactly clear what models were new-generation and what were old-generation, and since at times Apple has offered both I would hate to spend that kind of money without getting some of the advanced features.

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    Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
  70. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by tzanger · · Score: 1

    Not sure what the snark is for; I consider myself a professional (embedded hw design, software development, etc.) and have been using an 11" Air as my daily use machine since 2012. Yes, the one with the 1280x800 screen (no retina available).

    I did put the i7 and 8GB on it, and even as I type this I've got a Win7 VM running CCES doing Analog Devices DSP work going and Nordic nRF51822 development under OSX in a shell.

    You don't need a 15" or 17" screen to use a computer, although I do agree more pixels would be nice in those 11". 16GB of RAM would be nice too, but neither the retina screen nor the 16GB are *needed*. I do quite well on this thing.

  71. This is not News, this guy isn't a Nerd, by garote · · Score: 1

    ... and this cranky, inflammatory, self-centered rant is not anything That Matters.

    Slashdot: The new Yahoo home page.

  72. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's "beautiful" (personally, I think it looks like a toy) at the expensive of modularity, upgradeability and repairability. If any one single component goes bad, say a RAM chip, the SSD, the GPU or the screen, you have to toss the whole thing and buy another. With a properly designed desktop or laptop PC, I can just swap parts in and out.

  73. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Must be weird to feel personal affront and hurt at a negative product review for a company you own no stake in. Sad, and weird.

    --
    I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
  74. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Maritz · · Score: 1

    I want the ports of the Macbook Pro, but I want a physical escape key like the Macbook.

    I already knew they had the courage to get rid of most of the USB ports. But the ESC key? LOL.

    --
    I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
  75. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh look it's the guy who will praise Apple products literally no matter what. You have credibility in this area.

  76. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i have ubuntu on my desktop and am not looking forward to having that be my daily computing experience. but such is life.

    Get used to it. 2018 is poised to be the year of the Linux Desktop.

    Just like every of the 30 years before it.

  77. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It might actually. Last time I looked at Apple's website it wasn't exactly clear what models were new-generation and what were old-generation, and since at times Apple has offered both I would hate to spend that kind of money without getting some of the advanced features.

    If you can't tell the difference between new-generation and old-generation models while looking at the tech specs, you have no business calling yourself a pro

  78. Lame! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a 10.5 and this idiot doesnâ(TM)t know shit. I can do everything and more on my iPad than a computer. Never visit this site again!

  79. Re: oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We use iPads in the cockpit of our aircraft and we need retina display is because you're low resolution displays do not have enough pixels to make small text on approach diagrams readable. Even though the iPad is not a industrially hardened device, it works really well in aircraft. Incidentally, we use iPads because they just work. What airline such as Delta had tried using Windows tablets but the operating system and The way it interfaces with the hardware promotes extreme unreliability.

  80. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    It might actually. Last time I looked at Apple's website it wasn't exactly clear what models were new-generation and what were old-generation, and since at times Apple has offered both I would hate to spend that kind of money without getting some of the advanced features.

    All of the models on that page were 2016. Easy way to tell: If it has more than one USB-C port, it MUST be a 2016 MacBook Pro.

  81. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple doesn't care about professionals. The "pro" designation just means "more expensive". You've been confused over the years by the availability of said capacity on these devices -- you thought those were there because Apple identified that professionals use them. You thought it was designed for you. "Pro" is just a term that Apple applies to devices and software they market towards their more wealthy and less discriminating customers.

    It was only a matter of time before they realized that their target demographic (people who sit in Starbucks listening to iTunes on an MBP while tweeting) didn't need any of that confusing connectivity. They've never connected anything to their computer apart from headphones and a charging cable.

  82. Re:oh lord it leads to a twitter page by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    It's "beautiful" (personally, I think it looks like a toy) at the expensive of modularity, upgradeability and repairability. If any one single component goes bad, say a RAM chip, the SSD, the GPU or the screen, you have to toss the whole thing and buy another. With a properly designed desktop or laptop PC, I can just swap parts in and out.

    But, now you're switching arguments from "just a luxury item" (all form and no substance), to completely different criteria. Nice try.

    RAM is (still) easily upgradeable in iMacs. As is the mass-storage (although not as easily).. I assume it will be so in the iMac Pro, too.

    And 99% of laptops these days, no matter the brand, are no more repairable for the average person than your TV's Remote Control.

    So, it sounds like you would be more of a customer for the upcoming "modular" Mac Pro. No one knows exactly what "modular" means, but "upgradability" (which brings along with it, "repairability") of things like the CPU, GPU, SSD, RAM, etc. were specifically mentioned.

    https://www.cultofmac.com/4747...

    Now, whether that means that the "modular" Mac Pro simply ends up being Apple's 21st century's "take" on a Tower PC remains to be seen....