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Mozilla Employee Denied Entry To the United States (gizmodo.com)

Reader Artem Tashkinov writes: Daniel Stenberg, an employee at Mozilla and the author of the command-line tool curl, was not allowed to board his flight to the meeting from Sweden—despite the fact that he'd previously obtained a visa waiver allowing him to travel to the US. Stenberg was unable to check in for his flight, and was notified at the airport ticket counter that his entry to the US had been denied. Although Mozilla doesn't believe that the incident is related to Trump's travel ban, the incident stirred fears among international tech workers, who fear they'll miss out on work and research opportunities if they're not allowed to travel to the US. The situation even caught the eye of Microsoft's chief legal officer Brad Smith, who tweeted at Stenberg to offer legal assistance.

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  1. Protectionist state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As the US moves towards isolation and protectionism with both its immigration and tariff plans, it may turn into another hermit kingdom clone of DPRK and you could see states like Russia or China move to preeminence in world affairs, with Trump presiding over a culturally homogeneous but irrelevant and poverty stricken country.

    1. Re:Protectionist state by slack_justyb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't imagine Congress is going to let this go on forever.

      Well the cynic in me thinks that in order for it to stop, Congress would have to *act*. There's been a whole lot of *not acting* going on in Congress as of late, and I'm perplexed as to why an economic downturn would induce that to suddenly change. Considering the most recent AHCA version to come out of the Senate, it doesn't seem like they care if the citizens die, so economic hardship should be the least of their worries. Even if it's industry that's hurting, it's not GOP industry hurting.

    2. Re:Protectionist state by Dorianny · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's because what is being pushed thru is not "health care reform" but a partial rollback of the ACA reform. The math is difficult for the GOP in the Senate because there is around 30 senators from States that didn't expand Medicaid and would like funding cut to the program immediately and around 20 from states that did expand Medicaid and will see the vast majority of the expected 22 million looses insurance coverage. Of course Trump going from celebrating on the White House lawn, to calling it "mean" is not helping things much

    3. Re:Protectionist state by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's because what is being pushed thru is not "health care reform" but a partial rollback of the ACA reform.

      The current bills in the House and, more so, the Senate are more about cutting taxes, almost entirely benefiting the wealthy, than anything having to do with actual heath care, to allow conservative tax reform, also almost entirely benefiting the wealthy, to proceed using special procedural rules known as reconciliation to pass changes with a simple majority vote and avoid a Democratic filibuster. "Legislation cannot add to the deficit outside the customary 10-year budget window and be eligible for this procedural protection."

      This is why Congress started with health-care "reform" before tax reform - to save money in the budget on the former so it can be squandered on the latter.

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    4. Re:Protectionist state by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm still trying to find where in the Constitution the US Federal government is charged with telling what I have to do where my health and health care is concerned.

      I'm guessing somewhere in here:

      We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

      Believe it or not, your health and health care (and health insurance) status may affect others and vice-versa. At some point, hopefully you will realize that we're all in this together.

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  2. Even though this has nothing to do with a policy by SensitiveMale · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't like, I'm going to say "fuck it" and link them anyways.

  3. Sweden by JBMcB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So he's traveling from Sweden, which has nothing to do with the travel ban. So why does the article keep mentioning the travel ban?

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    1. Re:Sweden by d3bruts1d · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because Gizmodo has become overly political since the fall of Gawker.

    2. Re:Sweden by Baloroth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because otherwise there'd be no story (actually, there is no story, but that doesn't stop journalists from writing one). The US, like every other country in the world, has immigration controls, which are handled by individual agents who have the ability to allow or deny just about anyone (aside from US citizens, who cannot be denied entry) for just about any reason, because non-citizens have no right to entry. Of course, they rarely do so as long as you have the right visa/waivers/come from a country with the right treaties, but they always *can*. It might not stick (i.e. you may be able to appeal the decision and enter later), and the agent will likely end up fired if they act arbitrarily against policy, but it can always happen.

      I'm not going to give Gizmodo the click to read TFA, but my guess is he probably didn't actually have all his paperwork in order, but that's just a guess.

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    3. Re:Sweden by david_thornley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, there is a story. Person in Sweden going to the US on routine business, having presumably done the appropriate paperwork, is denied entry. This is bad.

      The only reason international meetings happen is to get people from other countries. For this to happen, potential attendees have to have a high degree of conference that they can get to them. If this becomes dubious for meetings in the US, such meetings will not happen in the US, which hurts assorted people in the US, including the business community and the scientific community.

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  4. Re: We are going to Make America Great Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Although Mozilla does not believe this incident is related to the Trump travel ban, they could not resist stirring up some shit anyway.

  5. Re:I sure hope by B33rNinj4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's a weak argument. NO Green Party member would have voted for Clinton, ever. The DNC should have fielded a better candidate. As for the article, as much as people want to complain. traveling to the US is not a right. You can be denied entry for pretty much any reason.

  6. Re:Not related to Trump's ban... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Would that be the barbell curl or the dumbbell curl?

    Beats me. I use a machine at the gym.

    Your gym has a snack machine too?

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  7. Re:I sure hope by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    as much as people want to complain. traveling to the US is not a right.

    I don't think many people are arguing that these travel restrictions are illegal, just that they are stupid and counterproductive. My company has offices in San Jose and Shanghai. Since our employees in China have difficulty getting visas to come to America for meetings and conferences, the Americans go to Shanghai instead, putting money into the Chinese economy, eating at Chinese restaurants, and staying at Chinese hotels.

    Since American employees incur these additional travel expenses, we are more biased toward hiring in China instead.

    No country has ever thrived by shutting itself off from the world.

    Anyway, I am going to Shanghai in July for 3 months, and my family is going with me. We plan to spend plenty of American dollars trying every new restaurant on Nanjing Road, all at company expense (tax deductible). Thank you Donald Trump!

  8. Re:Nutty Reublican Base by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The nutty Republican base loves Trump's travel bans.

    Err...I"m guessing the "ban" had nothing to do with this.

    I mean, I'm taking a wild ass guess, but with a last name of "Stenberg", I'm guessing he's not from one of the few 'banned' majority muslim countries.

    And for that matter, I"m willing to go out on a limb and guess, that we in the US aren't exactly getting a lot of our high tech or other types or work from those few middle eastern countries listed on the temporary "ban".

    I don't think the US is going to miss that much from those countries....and I seriously doubt this gentleman is caught up in the 'ban'.

    Halting travel from these few countries seems quite reasonable.

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  9. Re:I sure hope by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You do realize that setting up a video conference would greatly reduce your travel costs

    You do realize that using video conferencing instead of face-to-face collaboration doesn't work near as well in practice as it does in theory?

    If Skype was a perfect substitute for commuting, the highways of Silicon Valley would be empty every morning.

  10. Re:I sure hope by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You do realize that setting up a video conference would greatly reduce your travel costs and still allow you to meet with you counterparts in China?

    That depends entirely on the meeting. Video conferences are good for some very basic meetings. Yet there's a world of things that technology just won't change. Strong inter-company relationships aren't made over a video screen. They aren't even made in a meeting room. They're made at the coffee machine, they are made at the dinner table, in the bar, while walking to the car.

    My company not only has a policy that specific things need to be face to face, but also a policy of a group outing somewhere when they happen. There's a good reason for it too. Knowing someone on a personal level helps a lot on the work level too.

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