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Investors Who Back VC Funds Are Worried About Valley Culture (axios.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Limited partners in venture capital funds are having conversations about how to prevent themselves from investing in the next Binary Capital, the Silicon Valley firm that has collapsed over allegations that one of its co-founders sexually harassed female entrepreneurs. This includes the largest LP trade group -- the Institutional Limited Partners Association -- which tells Axios that it is planning to address these issues this summer, as part of the development of its new ILPA Principles 3.0 document. Silicon Valley, and venture capital in particular, has swept sexual harassment under the rug for decades. Binary Capital, coming on top of the situation at Uber, has grabbed that rug and begun to shake it vigorously.

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  1. Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Read the allegations. It sounds like they're selectively quoting a FB message where he's accusing her of hitting on him.

    This is more like the baizuo want to push for cultural takeover of SV because they consider it a strategic asset.

  2. Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Don't hire women.

    That may sound sexist. But the reality is; if you can't trust the boys to behave around girls, or the girls not to accuse the boys, just keep them apart. No judgement about who was right, wrong, made false accusations, or thought the business was just a big frat party.

    1. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This comment brought to you by the Taliban. Banning women since 1991.

    2. Re:Easy by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Right, so let the women design and build the equipment and put the men in the basement to handle the support help desks.

    3. Re:Easy by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

      Sounds like you would fit in great in the middle east.

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    4. Re: Easy by loufoque · · Score: 1

      The more popular solution is to hire only men for department A and only women for department B.
      Men can do the real work, while women do irrelevant stuff like HR, accounting or legal.

    5. Re:Easy by gweihir · · Score: 1

      There is no need for that. Most adult women are perfectly capable to say "no" as forcefully as needed and, if necessary, back that up with a full-armed slap to the face. That usually resolves the problem nicely.

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  3. Re: Funny thing is.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To be fair, this happens to every niche thing that gets big. There are always a few hardworking folk who get it off the ground, followed by a torrent of bottom feeders seeking gold that ruin the party. The gender politics bit is at right angles to this, and is mainly thanks to awkward my little pony fucks, trying to bang the fat purple haired cows that may decide to mount them, if they are lucky. Basically, losers trying to get laid being played by broken chicks with personality disorders.

  4. Re:Funny thing is.. by lucm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's always been women with terrific math/programming skills. That's nothing new. What's new is that the industry is now bloated with incompetents, it's like a gold rush. And it attracts (in part) immature men and gold digging women. The Julian Assanges, the Ellen Paos. They're the bloat.

    There's no deep social movement, no revolution with long-term impact, no real disruption. The number of competent people in tech hasn't changed over the last 25 years, there's just more incompetents around who think they belong.

    Same shit happened in finance and real estate. Just wait, the pendulum is coming back at some point.

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  5. They're called H1b's. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    there's just more incompetents around who think they belong.

    They're called guest workers.

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  6. So stop locating there by Kohath · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are other, nicer places with better culture.

    1. Re:So stop locating there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is nothing wrong with Silicon Valley. The key is not to work for sociopaths or shitty companies. Plenty of recruiters contact me asking if I am available to work at the next greatest company selling mobile applications or social media experiences. I always tell them no. Those companies are run by incompetent bros barely out of diapers with no concrete plans for profitability. As much as I loved working for small companies in the past, the days of competent adults founding and running these types of businesses are over and not just in Silicon Valley. It seems every person in their 20s wants to be a billionaire by 30.

      I will be 50 this year and clearly over the hill by industry standards. I should have been fodder for the Carousel long ago. I work at SAP and have come to terms that this is were I will retire. The work isn't cutting edge but I like the people and company benefits, plus I am not surrounded by drunk and horny fiends.

    2. Re:So stop locating there by swb · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity, what about sexism is unique to the tech industry? I'd be inclined to think it was a broader cultural phenomenon and not something unique to technology, I would also assume it has some regional variation along with culture.

    3. Re:So stop locating there by unixisc · · Score: 1

      There are other, nicer places with better culture.

      Finally, the comment I was looking for about the location.

      First of all, it's the most expensive part of the country, & gives Manhattan a run for its money. In the 90s, I understood the argument that 83% of the world's VCs were based there. However, that was not a good reason not to explore and establish other 'valleys' - be it Seattle, N Sioux City (former Gateway land), Huntsville, et al. A diversification of that would have ensured a more even availability of talent, rather than try & relocate the entire population to places like the Bay Area, and helped keep cost of living expenses in check. Plus a lot of companies, such as Yelp!, could be located out of anywhere, and not need a presence in San Francisco. Yet too many of the 'tech people' have a fetish for the valley, even while they bitch about the costs of doing business.

      The sexual harassment thing is a laugh, given how off the deep end they've been - from everything from gay marriage to transgender restrooms. On one hand, they are the ultimate progressives - going above and beyond what even the LGBTQ community demands, and OTOH, merrily bullying/harassing female employees. The investors are right to worry. If I were them, I'd lay off Silicon Valley altogether: not only are the social controversies bad enough in & of themselves, but just requiring a company to be based in other places in the country would do wonders to the bottom line. Don't bother hiring snowflakes who want to get 6 figures b'cos they want a shack in the Mission district

    4. Re:So stop locating there by antdude · · Score: 1

      Yes, come to my rural city. :P

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  7. You'll never fix the sexual harassment problem by elrous0 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You'll never be able to fix the "sexual harassment problem" in Silicon Valley. Why? Because:

    1) Liberal Silicon Valley will keep moving the goalposts on what constitutes sexual harassment. The more you do to fix it, the more the goalposts will move--until virtually everything is considered harassment.

    2) Firms will keep hiring more women in hopes that it will virtue signal that they're progressive. These women will repay this effort by filing more and more sexual harassment claims. You'll hire more women to fix the problem, which will make the problem worse, which will cause you to hire more women....

    3) No victim is ever going to give up their victimhood status without a fight, no matter how much you do to appease them.

    But if you want to waste your time trying to do the impossible, then go for it. On the upside, it will hopefully speed up the inevitable Silicon Valley crash that's long overdue.

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    1. Re:You'll never fix the sexual harassment problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Redpillers in 2017 lul.

    2. Re:You'll never fix the sexual harassment problem by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Silicon valley is not very liberal, it's very much libertarian.

    3. Re:You'll never fix the sexual harassment problem by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Silicon valley is not very liberal, it's very much libertarian.

      Not according to voting patterns. Congresspeople from SV are not libertarian. Dianne Feinstein has won solid majorities in SV, despite being an across the board authoritarian.

    4. Re:You'll never fix the sexual harassment problem by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That guy sounds like an angry weirdo who doesn't understand how to behave in a professional manner. He starts ranting about how terrible all women are and uses that to justify how women then run away from him.

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    5. Re:You'll never fix the sexual harassment problem by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Feinstein is in San Francisco, Silicon Valley is not.

    6. Re:You'll never fix the sexual harassment problem by dbIII · · Score: 1

      libertarian ... being an across the board authoritarian.

      Look at how many "libertarians" (especially Koch and similar) behave on employment issues (as one example) and you'll see no difference.

    7. Re:You'll never fix the sexual harassment problem by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Feinstein is in San Francisco, Silicon Valley is not.

      Feinstein is a senator. She is elected statewide. I think you have her confused with Nancy Pelosi (congresswoman from SF, and house minority leader).

    8. Re:You'll never fix the sexual harassment problem by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1
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    9. Re:You'll never fix the sexual harassment problem by unixisc · · Score: 1

      One solution would be - don't hire any men. Then the only sexual complaints will be about lesbianism. Of course, this assuming one can't leave Silicon Valley in the first place

  8. Creative Environments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Over the years the most creative environments I've ever been in, would now be considered the most toxic. Crude language, rough housing, liberal amounts of beer, meditation, music and so forth have played major roles in helping people to innovate. Every shop I've been in has done things differently (depends on the people).

    Whats going to happen when people are not allowed to go against the grain?

    1. Re:Creative Environments by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      I work with some women who have come from very repressive cultures. They love that they come to North America and the guys are crude as crap (in my professional work place), but not in any negative way to women. More the fart joke taken way too far crude. Whereas in their culture everyone was really polite while treating women like crap.

      A stilted workplace simply can't be creative. But some people will take this opening the wrong way and it can be very hard to explain to them that crude does not equal mean.

  9. Re:Funny thing is.. by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've said this before, but there are many incompetent males that get hired in computer, but the women who are hired are almost always well above average. There will be equality when incompetent women get hired at the same rate as the incompetent men.

  10. Binary Capital by mentil · · Score: 4, Funny

    Binary Capital, the Silicon Valley firm that has collapsed[...]

    So, Binary Capital went from 1 to 0?

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  11. Tech Culture Does Protect Some Harassers by Kunedog · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is more like the baizuo want to push for cultural takeover of SV because they consider it a strategic asset.

    Yup, and they'll defend bullies to do it, as long as those bullies express the right politics. A good example happened just this weekend:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    TL;DW - A feminist panelist at a conference recognizes a critic in the audience and uses her position behind the mic to berate and insult him. The conference acknowledges this as violation of their rules, yet apologizes to her (without ever even contacting the attendee she abused) and still allows her to sit on a second panel about (no bullshit) dealing with harassment and bullying. One of her fellow panelists (IMO one of the kindest and most innocuous humans on the internet) has been anxious for months just knowing he'd be in same room with her and walks on eggshells around her, terrified of what might set her off. Sure enough, after the panel she immediately accosts him and cusses him out.

    The conference eventually releases a public statement making excuse after excuse for her behavior. That's what it means to reach Cruise/Travolta status in your cult, I suppose.

    1. Re:Tech Culture Does Protect Some Harassers by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I was wondering when this would come to. Here's what actually happened.

      Anita Sarkeesian was on a panel at Vidcon. Carl Benjamin, aka Sargon of Akkad on YouTube, turned to with his entourage and occupied the first two rows of the audience. He started filming, which Vidcon asked people not to.

      For context, Carl has spent years obsessing over Sarkeesian. His Twitter page has a picture of her in the banner. His videos about her are some of his most popular and lucrative. He claims he is merely criticising her, but the relentless campaign over many years and then turning up with a group to occupy the front rows of the audience is... Aggressive to say the least.

      I would suggest that it was designed to intimidate and to create a scene that Sargon could film (which he did) and then profit from.

      Anyway, Anita called him a garbage human. Vidcon has banned him from attending again over his actions. After years of telling Sarkeesian to not get upset about people attacking her, Sargon has taken great offence at this relatively minor insult.

      Vidcon apologized for allowing Carl and his associates to do what they did, and while acknowledging that insulting audience members is a problem they noted that given the circumstances and track record of good behavior there was no need to take further action against Sarkeesian. But her best moment but she is only human.

      Let's see how many troll/flamebait/overrated mods this gets.

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    2. Re: Tech Culture Does Protect Some Harassers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      She is only human... Excuse her failings but not others.

      You are the fucking problem, dipshit.

    3. Re: Tech Culture Does Protect Some Harassers by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Getting a bit worked up one time is forgiveable, especially considering she was being intimidated at the time. Sargon has a history of, at the very least, taking things she says out of context and it's likely that was one reason for filming her.

      If Sargon wants a debate, he can simply ask and accept the rejection (and make a shitty video about it). Following her around in public with his entourage isn't acceptable behavior. He flew there from the UK, thousands of miles, just to bother her.

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    4. Re:Tech Culture Does Protect Some Harassers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's rich. The woman is pretty much a whore willing to say or do whatever she needs to do in order to keep the feminist bucks rolling in. And that includes things like lying and plagiarism.

      She's a thoroughly vapid individual that deserves the criticism she gets. If she would just show evidence of a brain she might be able to avoid some of the criticism. But, no, she's a man-hating feminist bitch and nothing will distract from that point. People like you ought to be ashamed of yourselves for enabling such behavior.

    5. Re: Tech Culture Does Protect Some Harassers by geoskd · · Score: 2, Informative

      he's a harasser that deliberately took up the front rows with a gang of his cronies in a transparent play to intimidate her, and she wasn't having his shit.

      People are not allowed to have it both ways. You can't play the victim and then undertake the same behaviors you are complaining about in others. It makes you a hypocrite. People will put up with a lot, but will not tolerate a hypocrite.

      What she should have done is simply ignore them, and if they start to make a scene, let the crowd take care of them. If the crowd wont do anything about it, then surely the local and possibly national news media will.

      If your boss behaved the way she did, you would make damn sure to watch your back, and a large percentage of your co-workers would be actively looking for a way to get rid of him/her. She may have started out as the victim, but now shes just another part of the problem.

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    6. Re: Tech Culture Does Protect Some Harassers by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I agree, Sargon can't scream harassment now when he had called Sarkeesian much worse.

      She could have handled it better, sure. Rather than let the crowd attack him, which he seemed to have anticipated since he brought allies to support him, simply asking the organisers to remove him would have been better. He had already broken the conference rules multiple times.

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    7. Re:Tech Culture Does Protect Some Harassers by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, my suggestion would be to not go to a panel where a known aggressive and self-absorbed asshole is in the panel. Ignoring these people robs them of what the thrive on: Attention.

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    8. Re:Tech Culture Does Protect Some Harassers by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Sargon was in the audience, not on the panel. They didn't really vet the audience members, something of a mistake given the history.

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    9. Re:Tech Culture Does Protect Some Harassers by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Intentionally misunderstanding something just makes you look stupid.

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    10. Re: Tech Culture Does Protect Some Harassers by geoskd · · Score: 1

      I agree, Sargon can't scream harassment now when he had called Sarkeesian much worse

      You'll not hear an argument form me on that score. There was never any doubt in my mind that he is an asshole. The only thing that has changed is my opinion of her has dropped to nearly his level.

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  12. Re:Obligatory creimer spam by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    The New York Times had an article about sexual harassment in Silicon Valley.

    Women in Tech Speak Frankly on Culture of Harassment
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/technology/women-entrepreneurs-speak-out-sexual-harassment.html

  13. This isn't even vaguely new by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have been in the tech world for more than 3 decades. I have also seen the VC scene in many places from big to podunk. I would say that the VC types that I meet come in 3 main flavours. Arrogant bean counters who know what is good for you. Arrogant assholes who think they are god. And Arrogant thieves who pretty much have to rip you off to make themselves feel better.

    My favourite was at a recent tech talk by a woman (who gives government money to VCs) (Canada) who said that she won't give money if the founders make too much (over 100k) but that she was leaving government to become an advisor to a start-up that had recently raised around 5m. I asked her if she was only going to take 100k. She pretty much yelled at me that I had no understanding of the real world.

    Her theory was that if you give the founders more than 100k in salary they become distracted spending it.

    I was wondering how I could expose her in some way for the corruption she was displaying by working for a company she had just given government money to when I witnessed one of the tech people who had attended her talk, keying the living crap out of her car with the words, 100k over and over.

    It was a brand new higher end BMW BTW. On a funny note, there is nothing funnier than some podunk tech "titan" who sells some company for 10-20 mil and starts giving TED style keynote speeches that are the tech equivalent of spiritual mumbo-jumbo while wearing clothing that they spent much time and money on trying to look really casual. The contrast with the person who usually gives a too long winded introduction and wears an ill-fitting off the rack suit just makes it all funnier.

    Then all the desperate start-up types try their damnedest to "network" with the speaker who basically holds out their hand for their ring to be kissed.

    I love how they play up their serial entrepreneur business creds when their actual history is: fail-fail-fail-fail-lottery-fail-fail-fail-fail.

    1. Re:This isn't even vaguely new by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I love how they play up their serial entrepreneur business creds when their actual history is: fail-fail-fail-fail-lottery-fail-fail-fail-fail.

      Works that way in other environments too. For example, applying for academic funding two times and getting it each time counts as "less experienced" than somebody applying 5 times and getting it only once. Happened to me. The level of stupidity expressed in this is staggering.

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  14. Find a better state by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Take your great ideas, money and skills to a more business friendly part of the USA. Make the best part of a very poor city in a poor state an offer.
    The fastest internet connected to the site. Low cost power. The ability to hire based on skills needed. Offer locals lots of new jobs for landscaping, as guards, as technicians to swap server hardware during the night.
    Somewhere in the USA a state and city exist that really needs to do a deal. That has working power supplies, fast internet and a lot of empty office space to fill.

    A site on the good side of any city. Not the most expensive parts, but the good safe parts of a city.
    Dont get lured into helping with their idea of gentrification in a poor city in a poor state. Its a trap and your company will be used to offer full employment to a lot of people who have been looking for any kind of work for a very, very long time.
    Good local advice should help avoid that offer.
    A relaxed agricultural state with nice views from the office, hills, fast internet, forests and hydro power? A more central, relaxed part of the USA with a lot of fast internet.
    Escape from the growing stress of the elite west coast politics and rediscover Americana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
    Its only a short flight away and is always very welcoming to any level of investment.

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    1. Re: Find a better state by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Top engineers do not live in the middle of nowhere.

    2. Re: Find a better state by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Sooner or later the big new money will need to escape the taxes and laws of a CA.

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  15. Re:Funny thing is.. by dbIII · · Score: 1

    now bloated with incompetents

    Perhaps - but what have done that matched Assange's record? You can't even put up quotes without always resisting the urge to edit them to pretend they make your point for you. Or Ellen Paos, she's a lawyer and HR type so her inclusion is a bit strange here, but at her age had you done as much with your career as she has done with hers to date? If you are going to call those two incompetent are you not insulting yourself and almost the totality of the readership here?

  16. Re: Funny thing is.. by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    > when incompetent women get hired at the same rate as the incompetent men

    Can hardly wait

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  17. VCs CREATED that culture, and now complain. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    VCs created the toxic culture in the valley, and now they are crying about how it harms the viability of their equally toxic business model? I hope they all line up and die in a fire, one at a time. The inrush of shitheels is due specifically to VCs handing out money to anyone who can get their crayon sharp enough to draw up a business plan.

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  18. Here's the thing by Ryanrule · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is not a tech problem. This is a finance problem. Stop hiring the asshole children of rich assholes.

  19. Well..... by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

    We have seen the aftermath of the last "Valley Culture". "You know, like, gag me with a spoon". Do we really want that type of culture to persist all over again?

  20. Re:Funny thing is.. by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

    there is a shortage of incompetent female workers due to government sector employment and welfare vote-buying

  21. Re:Funny thing is.. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Also note that in the 50s and 60s that "operating" a computer was secretarial work which was heavily dominated by women.

    This persisted well into the 1990s, depending on the business. You haven't lived until you've tried to help a secretary at a freight expediter troubleshoot a UUCP problem over the phone.

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  22. Re: Funny thing is.. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    There are always a few hardworking folk who get it off the ground, followed by a torrent of bottom feeders seeking gold that ruin the party.

    You have just described capitalism.

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  23. Re:Funny thing is.. by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Very much this. It has gotten to bad that, for example, "web programmers" have no clue how the web works. I just had to explain to a bunch of them after they had debugged a "problem" for several days how a relative link works. These are people with 3-5 years of "experience" in that role. And this is just one example.

    I do agree that the total number of competent people in tech is stable, but we are getting less effective because the morons are standing in our way at every corner. It is a disaster.

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  24. And the award goes to you by lucm · · Score: 1

    I've said this before, but there are many incompetent males that get hired in computer, but the women who are hired are almost always well above average.

    I've seen phony Facebook status, bullshit tweets and shallow press release boilerplate, but when it comes to being an hypocrite, you just take the cake because not only are you a bend-over puppet of political correctness, you also happen to be an immensely sexist pig.

    If there's one thing I'm grateful for, it's not being a prisoner of your social shackles.

    Have a nice day.

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  25. Close enough by lucm · · Score: 1

    Hillary lost because of russian hackers.

    I don't think it's fair to blame russian hackers. They were just hired to do a job. We all know the real puppet master in this political drama: Michelle Obama. She just couldn't stand having a cracker as first female President.

    #michelle2020

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  26. They should be worried about the replacement. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    The proposed fixes usually are worse than the original problem - where political correctness and mandated diversity make things worse.

    Fact.

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