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'You're Doing Your Weekend Wrong' (qz.com)

"If you don't feel rejuvenated and keen to face Monday after two work-free days, there might be a reason: You're doing your weekend wrong," an anonymous reader writes, citing a Quartz article. From the article: According to University of Calgary sociologist Robert Stebbins, most leisure falls into two categories: casual and serious. Casual leisure pursuits are short lived, immediately gratifying, and often passive; they include activities like drinking, online shopping, and binge-watching. These diversions provide instant hedonic pleasure -- quite literally, actually, as all these pastimes cause the brain to release dopamine and provide instant soothing comfort. In a culture where many people exist all week in an amped-up, overworked state, casual weekend leisure easily becomes the default for quick decompression.

But serious leisure is a far more beneficial pursuit. Serious leisure activities provide deeper fulfillment, and -- to invoke a fuzzy '70s word -- "self-actualization." Self-actualization is the pinnacle of human development, according to humanist psychologist Abraham Maslow, who describes it as "the desire to become more and more what one is, to become everything that one is capable of becoming." In other words, getting self-actualized is the whole point of life, and passive, hedonistic leisure (fun and occasionally necessary as it might be) won't get you there. Instead, the weekend goal should be "eudaimonic" happiness, which is a sense of well-being that arises from meaningful, challenging activities that cause you to grow as a person. This means spending the weekend on serious leisure activities that require the regular refinement of skills: your barbershop-quartet singing, your stamp collecting, or slightly less dorky, but still equally in-depth, projects. You pursue serious leisure with the earnest tenor of a professional, even if the pursuit is amateur.

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  1. How does a typical Slashdot reader compare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The typical Slashdot reader spends his weekend in his parents basement watching tentacle hentai and touching himself relentlessly. The only breaks are for sleep, using the bathroom, and calling up to his mother for more Cheetos. How does this fit into the two categories described in the article? Discuss.

    1. Re:How does a typical Slashdot reader compare? by blindseer · · Score: 2

      I spend my weekends in my own basement, thankyouverymuch.

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    2. Re:How does a typical Slashdot reader compare? by ls671 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course my beloved dear, I always told you the basement was yours.
      -your mother

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    3. Re:How does a typical Slashdot reader compare? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      The typical Slashdot reader spends his weekend in his parents basement

      If you RTFA you will see that it is based on 100% conjecture, and 0% actual evidence. So I am not coming upstairs until you give me a good reason why I should.

  2. Other way around by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It could also be that you're doing your week wrong, and you have no energy left to do anything sensible in your spare time. Are you working to live, or living to work?

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    1. Re:Other way around by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      I understand what you're saying and in my own carreer I'm able to balance it more towards earning less and having more fun, but this isn't an option for the vast majority of people. Think of all those dozens of coal miners whose jobs have been saved for a few more years; you really think they have the option of just taking another job or working shorter weeks while still making enough money to support their family?

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    2. Re:Other way around by Kjella · · Score: 2

      It could also be that you're doing your week wrong, and you have no energy left to do anything sensible in your spare time. Are you working to live, or living to work?

      I'd say many people don't have the energy, but they do it anyway exactly because it's the weekend they live for. If the weekend was only rest and relaxation to recoup Monday would be so much easier but life would be work, rest, work, rest, work, rest. Quite often when I feel more exhausted Monday morning than Friday afternoon that was part of the plan. Much like a hangover I might not like it very much then and there, but there's a reason I was drinking the night before.

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    3. Re:Other way around by ls671 · · Score: 2

      It could also be the overdose of booze taken over the week-end.

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    4. Re: Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What is the government supposed to provide, according to the Constitution, that it's not?

    5. Re: Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The constitution is not the be-all and end-all of what the government should do.

      The government is supposed to be working on your behalf. You should be telling them what to do and they should listen. This doesn't mean they should do what you ask, as they have the same responsibility to all the other citizens as well, but they should at least consider it, and do what is best for the country as a whole. Not just what is best for the few rich elites.

    6. Re:Other way around by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 2

      The logical answer is to spend your energy taking up torches and pitchforks

      Torches do almost no damage at all, and the pitchfork is a pathetic two hander. You can rack up XP using it but almost anything else you can get from a drop has more power.

    7. Re: Other way around by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.. At least at the Federal level, the Constitution IS the be-all AND the end-all (explicitly so - see above) of what the Federal Government should - and can - do.

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    8. Re: Other way around by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      So: what should the income cap be? How wealthy is a person allowed to be? Please - just give a ballpark number.

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    9. Re: Other way around by Jesus+H+Rolle · · Score: 1

      Or a blessed greased rustproof +7 dwarvish mattock.

    10. Re: Other way around by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

    11. Re: Other way around by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      A more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.

      It could do a better job of a couple of those.

    12. Re: Other way around by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      I think whisperfeet should fall under the 2nd amendment's protection.

  3. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Robert Stebbins works as a sociologist so I can understand his need to pursue valuable activities over the weekend, because he's sure as hell not doing anything of value during the week. However, for people with careers that allow them to do valuable, challenging work in the week, I think it's better to have a relax on the weekend.

    1. Re:Bullshit by dbIII · · Score: 1

      sociologist so I can understand his need to pursue valuable activities over the weekend, because he's sure as hell not doing anything of value during the week

      As distinct from ... office work?
      Come on AC, how many people here do you think are surgeons or in the fire brigade? Farmers have a right to sneer at most of us for not doing useful work.

    2. Re:Bullshit by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      However, for people with careers that allow them to do valuable, challenging work in the week, I think it's better to have a relax on the weekend.

      Likely true, but that's a tiny fraction of the population.

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  4. Giong to work for a rest by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If you don't feel rejuvenated and keen to face Monday after two work-free days, there might be a reason: You're doing your weekend wrong,"

    But it's far more likely that if you feel tired when returning to work, it is because you spent the whole weekend partying.

    And if not burning the candle at both ends, then chasing around after your children: taxiing them all over the place, shopping, cleaning, tidying, doing laundry, home maintenance, cooking and walking the dog.

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    1. Re:Giong to work for a rest by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For many of us, the weekend is the time when we do all the non-job work that we couldn't get done during the week—laundry, home repairs, personal projects, correcting people on the Internet, etc.

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    2. Re:Giong to work for a rest by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I prefer Saturday, because then I know I don't have to worry about getting up super early the next day.

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  5. Jesus... by lobiusmoop · · Score: 1

    Talk about taking the whole 'self improvement' thing too far. The weekend should come with a WTFPL licence.

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  6. You're sucking my dick wrong. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Serious leisure activities provide deeper fulfillment, and -- to invoke a fuzzy '70s word -- "self-actualization."

    If I had time and money to get serious about leisure activities, I wouldn't be working. If I wasn't working, I'd have time to get serious about leisure activities, but I wouldn't have the money. If I earned the money I needed to build the facilities I'd need to go all professional at my leisure activities, I wouldn't have the time.

    I don't feel lesser because I'm not going professional with my leisure. If I did, it would be a job, and it wouldn't be a fun distraction any more.

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    1. Re:You're sucking my dick wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Clearly you've never tried stamp collecting as suggested in the summary.

  7. Life's Goal by Calydor · · Score: 4, Funny

    My goal in life is to BE a passive hedonist, you insensitive clod!

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  8. Kids by cerberusss · · Score: 5, Funny

    "If you don't feel rejuvenated and keen to face Monday after two work-free days, there might be a reason: You're doing your weekend wrong,"

    That, or you have kids.

    Instead, the weekend goal should be "eudaimonic" happiness

    No, the goal should be to buy condoms and build a time machine.

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    1. Re:Kids by c · · Score: 1

      Instead, the weekend goal should be "eudaimonic" happiness

      No, the goal should be to buy condoms and build a time machine.

      Good idea. Building a time machine sounds exactly like the sort of goal that would bring "eudaimonic" happiness.

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    2. Re:Kids by johannesg · · Score: 1

      No, the goal should be to buy condoms and build a time machine.

      Not having to worry about sex is just one of the many advantages of the nerd lifestyle!

    3. Re:Kids by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Not having to worry about sex is just one of the many advantages of the nerd lifestyle!

      The ultimate Asperger life-style though is of course to dedicate your whole life to it but not get anything of it.

    4. Re:Kids by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That, or you have kids.

      Definitely, this.

      Weekends are a completely different thing with small children. From birth until early teens, you can likely expect to lose a lot of weekend time to activities related to childcare (playing with them, cleaning up after them, ferrying them to various activities, etc.). Combine that with basic stuff you HAVE to do -- like cleaning up the house in general, home maintenance, etc. -- and weekends are often gone.

      Well, unless you want to be that dad who spends every weekend in his study with his stamp collection or building a ship in a bottle and yelling at his little kids to "go away" when they bother him. And you'll need a cooperative spouse (or hire a nanny).

      Sure, you can incorporate kids (even little kids once they're at least toddlers) in a lot of weekend maintenance and such, but be prepared for everything to take twice as long. Once they get older, you can often incorporate them into a hobby like woodworking or some other craft activity, but that may or may not be as satisfying as devoting your own time to honing your own skills.

      It's great and all to talk about "self actualization" on the weekends, and I did a lot of that in my spare time on the weekends in my 20s. Then "life happened." Once kids hit their teens, you may be able to reclaim more time for your weekend leisure. But a lot of people spend many years of their adult lives with lots of weekend responsibilities they can't get out of. You can't really blame them for taking the few hours of "downtime" they end up with and sitting in front of the TV or whatever.

    5. Re: Kids by tandavanadesan · · Score: 1

      But you'd only have time to do this if you succeed. Then if you succeed you wouldn't have the need

    6. Re:Kids by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Because some people like their kids? Some people enjoy spending time with them, teaching them things? Because some people -- dare I say -- LOVE their kids?

      When i was younger, I couldn't imagine having kids. Now I can't imagine life had I not.

      Many males (and even many females) don't enjoy their time raising kids or being with small children in general. Many others do. My previous post wasn't saying that kids are a negative experience, merely pointing out that one has a lot less flexibility about choices for one's weekend activities when they are present. But people choose constraints in their lives all the time for overall benefit. Some days you may not want to play on that sports team you signed up for, or go to the soup kitchen you volunteered for -- but overall, the days when you feel good about participating in something that structures and constrains your time outweigh the times you don't want to do it. Same thing with kids for many people -- there are lots of negatives depending on your perspective, but many would say the positives outweigh the negatives.

    7. Re:Kids by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Arguing with a smaller version of yourself that YES, they have to wipe the poop from their butt for the 6th time that week is "eudaimonic self-actualizing"?

      Reading how Pete the Cat thinks it's cool to lose a race in an ritalin induced haze for the 3rd time in a row is "eudaimonic self-actualizing"?

      Getting yelled at, kicked, and hated because you couldn't make the rain stop is self-actualizing? (Hey, even when you tell them no, and give them time-outs, they're still going to throw a tantrum here and there. They're THREE. Remember; terrible two's, terrorist threes.)

      I mean, I kinda get what you're saying, but the payoff takes DECADES to get to, and there's a lot of shit to go through on the way there.

  9. self whackualization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am lucky that I can bring my leisure hobby with me wherever I go. Be it at work, home, or even a baseball game, I can always take a few moments to enjoy masturbation.

  10. Yes! by demon+driver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    More hard, goal-driven work even on the weekend! That's what we need!

    No. For a person who's already got a somewhat strenuous full-time job, I'd say that would be the best method to accelerate becoming burnt out. (And I've met burnout cases who'd fit that pattern, with therapists rather suggesting to subscribe to less strenuous, goal-directed activities at the weekends, too...)

  11. Maybe also doing whole life wrong by ReneR · · Score: 2

    walking with smartphone in front of the nose, in subways, even school ... barely noticing other humans around and not making many friends and real life social interactions anymore, ... In other words: internet / social media addicted. imagine how much time for useful stuff people would have, if they put their "smart"phone aside! :-/

  12. Gaming counts... by Tim12s · · Score: 1

    So refining your gaming skillz counts...

  13. Don't tell me what to do! by Notabadguy · · Score: 2

    My favorite part of weekends would be where I can do whatever the fuck I want, whenever the fuck I want to without worrying about a deadline. Telling people that they're spending their time in measurably non-optimal efforts is not the way to win friends and influence people.

    1. Re:Don't tell me what to do! by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

      PS, I'm about to sit my old ass in front of a T.V. and play video games all weekend.

      FFXIV - so I'll do challenge logs and work towards quests and goals that can be measured.

    2. Re:Don't tell me what to do! by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Very much this. Whether you are vegging out in front of the TV, busy with a hobby, taking the kids out to the park, or doing something incredibly self-actualizing, a good weekend is one where you are off the clock, and off the dayplanner. I know people who are rather keen to spent their time well and end up worrying every moment they aren't engaged in something "worthwhile", whatever the hell that may be. Not the best way to relax.

      By the way /. you are doing your headlines wrong. Stop with the clickbait already.

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  14. Winston Churchill by Harvey+Manfrenjenson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Towards the end of his life, Churchill wrote a little book called "Painting as a Pastime", which is all about his favorite hobby of painting. In the introductory remarks he makes the same point as the author of this article, but in a somewhat more charming and less pretentious manner. I would also point out that he didn't require a doctorate in sociology in order to arrive at this insight.

    1. Re:Winston Churchill by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

      I would also point out that he didn't require a doctorate in sociology in order to arrive at this insight.

      I am far from convinced that having a doctorate in sociology helps to draw any conclusions about human behaviour.

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    2. Re: Winston Churchill by Flavianoep · · Score: 2

      Nobody needs a doctorate in sociology to get to any insight, but unless they are famous, people need a doctorate for others to take heed at what they say.

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    3. Re:Winston Churchill by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

      Sociology these days are unfortunately often just a word to make your opinions sound better. Why else would we have sociology branches in feminist theory or gender theory with insane studies like this? ( http://journals.sagepub.com/do... )

    4. Re:Winston Churchill by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Do you have a favorite quote from that book that might be relevant here? It sounds interesting.

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    5. Re:Winston Churchill by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      And you might still do better than that sociology doctor.

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    6. Re:Winston Churchill by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      The sad thing is: sociology, gender studies and all that stuff are valid areas of research. Scientific research. The problem with most sociology departments is that they no longer apply scientific methods or scientific filters or indeed any filters, and you end up with crap like that paper, and everything else that resonates well in their politically correct echo chamber. A friend of mine started on a sociology major, and found out the hard way that dissent (in the form of opinion or cold hard facts) is not appreciated, as opposed to almost all other departments where fresh points of view are welcomed.

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    7. Re:Winston Churchill by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine started on a sociology major, and found out the hard way that dissent (in the form of opinion or cold hard facts) is not appreciated, as opposed to almost all other departments where fresh points of view are welcomed.

      I know of 5 people (just in my own social circles) that quit their academic pursuits simply because the sociology departments weren't interested in research, they in fact became angry and threatening when presented with actual corroborated conclusions. These areas have become remarkably anti-intellectual and venomous, which is also why the language used has become so technical (you can't say men are to blame for everything, you have to say toxic masculinity etc).

  15. Prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Prisons are full of the "self-actualized".

  16. Run my little hamster by qbast · · Score: 2

    Spend a week working. Then spend a weekend working as well. Rinse and repeat. Several years of this and you are seriously start to considering putting a gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger, just to escape the cursed treadmill.

  17. Mazlow's Heirarchy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Doesn't this miss the point of Mazlow's Heirarchy of Needs though?

    It's all well and good to say that self-actualization's the pinnacle of human achievement, but Mazlow claimed you have to be able to satisfy the lower levels of the pyramid before you effectively have a chance to work on more ephemeral needs. People who are starving and need shelter don't have a lot of energy to spare for the need for leisure. Similarly people who have to work 9-5 probably can't afford to focus on a deep, meaningful leisure activity. They want to relax and to have some fun, because a challenging activity is too much like the work they have to do to make ends meet. The need for entertainment is on a lower level than the need for self-actualization. People aren't wrong to pursue it, they're just seeking those goals most directly relevant to their current situation.

    The only people who can easily manage a challenging and highly-rewarding hobby are those whose lesser needs are fully met; those people who have rich families or who are wealthy through their own activity. They don't need to be millionaires necessarily, they just have to have sufficiency and confidence that even if things go bad, their future's still secure.

    Instant gratification and hedonistic needs come above survival but below self-actualization. If a person meets basic survival needs but doesn't have hedonistic gratification, they'll seek to get laid or watch a movie or have a nice dinner out etc. Perhaps it's not as fulfilling as learning to paint, but it meets the needs they're in a position to pursue. Normal humans just aren't wired to skip levels on the heirarchy of needs, any more than they're likely to wisely put money away for the future when they're hungry now.

  18. What is work if not self-actualization? by antti.ahti · · Score: 1

    If weekends are supposed to be for self-actualization what is work then?

    1. Re: What is work if not self-actualization? by qbast · · Score: 1

      Earnings money.

    2. Re:What is work if not self-actualization? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Paying the bills, including the costs of self-actualization.

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  19. Uh huh by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doing it wrong they say. How about this.

    MY weekends are at least partially spent doing all the household / homeowner chores and tasks I don't have time to do during the week after I get home from work.

    Clean house. Aquarium maintenance, other pet maintenance. Yard related stuff. Grocery store run. Laundry. Any and all errands I need to do during the hours when I'm off and the business I need to interact with is open.

    Sometimes I dread Saturday almost as much as Monday.

    1. Re:Uh huh by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      What's really bad is when Monday comes and I realize I didn't get half my weekend stuff done.

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  20. .... and even if you're ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    This means spending the weekend on serious leisure activities that require the regular refinement of skills: your barbershop-quartet singing, ... You pursue serious leisure with the earnest tenor of a professional, even if the pursuit is amateur.

    and even if you're an earnest tenor.

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  21. Those who work with their hands... by sid+crimson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...like those in the trades, probably best rejuvenate and relax best by working their minds. Those who work with their minds, probably best rejuvenate and relax by being more active.

    I heard that somewhere, but can't give proper attribution.

  22. Work-free Days? by seven+of+five · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even when I was single my weekends weren't entirely work-free. In the past 20 years, my earning power has steadily waned, so evenings/weekends have been packed with side hustles and chores, with a little leisure if I was lucky.

  23. Not everybody works Mon-Fri by rossdee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and then has Saturday and Sunday off

  24. Well... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    Abraham Maslow says the weekend goal should be "eudaimonic" happiness, which is a sense of well-being that arises from meaningful, challenging activities that cause you to grow as a person.

    I would "grow as a person" if Mr Maslow would shut the fuck up and mind his own business.

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    1. Re:Well... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Well, he has been dead for decades, so he's pretty quiet. I also suspect that, were he questioned on the subject while alive, he would say that work would be where you focus on self-actualization.

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  25. "eudaimonic" happiness by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    Translates to "conducive to happiness happiness" - People who use uncommon words that poorly are just using them to try to obscure that the activities they're trying to maintain as a living are not-worth-anything activities. Basically the entire purpose of sociologists.

    1. Re:"eudaimonic" happiness by PPH · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm against people who give vent to their loquacity by extraneous bombastic circumlocution.

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    2. Re:"eudaimonic" happiness by Pfhorrest · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Eudaimonic" in general English means "conducive to happiness" because "eudaimonia" is a Greek word that most closely translates into English as "happiness", but in classical Greek philosophy "eudaimonia" means a specific kind of happiness. (Similar to how there are a bunch of different words for love: eros, agape, philos, etc). TFA is saying that that kind of happiness is what one should pursue, as opposed to a different kind of happiness.

      Specifically, eudaimonia, which literally translated to something more like "good spirits", means something like "a life well lived", a life of achievement and intellectual self-satisfaction; as opposed to something like hedonia, which is just physiological pleasure.

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  26. What does that have to do with rejuvenation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Contrary to the submitter's statement about how good you feel about going back to work, I don't see anything in the article suggesting that these "serious leisure activities" leave you feeling better about the end of the weekend or leave you more well-rested. Just a bunch of "actualize your potential" bullshit.

  27. Couldn't agree more on the "amped-up" weeks by tirnacopu · · Score: 1

    ..and come Friday you will pry my cold dark beer from my cold dead hands

  28. I'm doing it wrong by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

    I'm doing it wrong - I'm reading slashdot on the weekend instead of relaxing.

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  29. Re:Ok, ballpark figures by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    So McDonald's, where they pay minimum wage AND employs some people part time (meaning: you can make $600 a month there, working 15 hours a week at $10 per hour) would have a CEO who earns no more than $12,000 per month. Seriously?

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  30. work should be self-actualization by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty darned self-actualized at work. I have a very challenging and intellectually rewarding job (I'm a scientist with my own small business). I chose this after trying out a string of jobs that paid much better and came with more professional recognition, but didn't make me feel like I was actually useful. While at those other jobs I spent a lot of time on hobbies like gardening, cooking, and fiddling around with projects in my garage. I don't find I have the need or the desire to do that right now, because I don't need my social life to make me feel like I'm accomplishing something.

    Choosing the correct career and job for yourself at the current particular moment is much more helpful than having the right hobbies. It makes balancing work and life easier (because social responsibilities are real) and is a must if you want to raise kids, work, and maintain your sanity simultaneously.

  31. Re:Ok, ballpark figures by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    OK, so we cap income. And that helps - how? Why is income inequality bad?

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  32. Re:Ok, ballpark figures by sjames · · Score: 1

    It would certainly make the CEO find a way to pay people better, now wouldn't it?

  33. Re:Ok, ballpark figures by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Life is not a zero sum game, either... The pie grows. Does the CEO contribute 1000 times more to the valuation of a company than a janitor? Probably. It's not about work - it's about value. So again - why is income inequality a bad thing?

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  34. Re:He's the smart one, then by Hylandr · · Score: 1

    This is how the universal wage will play out.

    For every one person working their ass off, two to three people can play games, smoke weed and have babies.

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  35. Maybe it means that you hate your job by JeffHunt · · Score: 1

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    "It was hell!" recalls former child.

  36. Well known problem by ET3D · · Score: 1

    If you don't feel rejuvenated and keen to face Monday after two work-free days, you might be suffering from a condition known in the medical literature as kids.

  37. Re:Ok, ballpark figures by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Because our natural tendencies to want something better, to be competitive, to beat the next guy exist. Seeing someone do better than you is often a major, instinctual push to do better yourself. That drives innovation, creates new sources of wealth and excellence. Seeing others do better than you - not just the CEO, but your boss, and your boss's boss, or your neighbor who just bought a brand new BMW because he got a big fat raise at his job - is often the right kind of pressure to push people to excel.

    Where would the tech world be without HP, Intel, Microsoft, Apple? Competition, motivation to be "better" than the others drove a lot of the early - and continuing - growth in our industry. Likewise with airplanes - Boeing had massive competition early on, but it was from that competition, the drive and desire to be better (and reap the rewards thereof) that made their planes better than everyone else's.

    At the end of the day, whether you like it or not, most of our value in terms of our labor and contributions to the business are measured by dollars. What it takes to create your output, what it would cost to replace you. If you have little value - you do a job that is simple, can be easily replaced with another - you make little money. If you do a job where making a wrong call will costs tens or hundreds of millions of dollars and lose tens of thousands of jobs - you make a lot of money. At the end of the day, companies pay based upon value. Flat out.

    And no, not all people have the same value to a company. Yes, you cannot make a car without the guy that puts the lug nuts on the car; but his job can be done by nearly anyone, and the value of mounting those lug nuts is tiny (because the torque and position is machine-controlled) relative to the value of the guy who styled the body, designed the ECM, or chose to green-light the entire hundred-million dollar project.

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  38. Re:He's the smart one, then by ChatHuant · · Score: 2

    For every one person working their ass off, two to three people can play games, smoke weed and have babies.

    I think you nailed the problem: indeed, there should be nobody having to work their ass off. The work needed for sustaining human lives needs to be done mostly by machines. People will only work their ass off if that's what they really want, and not because the alternative is die of hunger.

    Theoretically, this can work; getting there however would be difficult. Existing structures and ideologies will resist changes. It may sound difficult to believe, but I even think some folks will insist people should waste their lives in the drudgery of pointless boring "work", as if this is somehow morally better than letting them chose to live their lives as they want to (like, for example, playing games).

  39. Re:He's the smart one, then by Hylandr · · Score: 1

    Changing technology is always easy. It's just changing workflows that's nearly impossible. Changing peoples minds will take generations.

    Good luck with that.

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    ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
  40. Re:Ok, ballpark figures by bws111 · · Score: 1

    The problem is not how clear you are, but that you make no sense. Let's take an easy example, the lefts favorite whipping boy, Walmart. The average employee is low paid, but the CEO makes $21M. Clearly an outrage, right?

    My understanding of your position is that if he was not making $21M, that money would be used to get his employees out of poverty, and that his $21M represents 'most of the proceeds', and the rest of the employees are living off 'crumbs'.

    Let's make the insane assumption that every employee, other than the CEO, makes $8/hr, works half time (1000 hrs/yr), and has no benefits (paid time off, insurance, employee discounts, etc) at all. Since they have 2.1M employees, that means a payroll of $16.8B. The CEOs compensation represents 1/8 of 1% of the payroll. Please explain how that is 'most of the proceeds' and the 99 and 7/8% of money going to the employees is 'the crumbs'.

    Now, as for cutting his compensation and using that money to get the employees out of poverty. If you cut his compensation to $0, and distribute it to the employees, you have given each employee $10. Per YEAR. Are you really going to claim that $10/yr is the difference between poverty and not poverty?