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Now Any Florida Resident Can Challenge What Is Taught In Public Florida Schools (orlandosentinel.com)
New submitter zantafio shares a report from Orlando Sentinel: Any resident in Florida can now challenge what kids learn in public schools, thanks to a new law that science education advocates worry will make it harder to teach evolution and climate change. The legislation, which was signed by Gov. Rick Scott (R) last week and went into effect Saturday, requires school boards to hire an "unbiased hearing officer" who will handle complaints about instructional materials, such as movies, textbooks and novels, that are used in local schools. Any parent or county resident can file a complaint, regardless of whether they have a student in the school system. If the hearing officer deems the challenge justified, he or she can require schools to remove the material in question. The statute includes general guidelines about what counts as grounds for removal: belief that the material is "pornographic" or "is not suited to student needs and their ability to comprehend the material presented, or is inappropriate for the grade level and age group."
I mean, really, thank goodness for Florida... when something horribly embarrassing hits the news cycle, the statistically best chance it didn't happen here is you folks.
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> regardless of whether they have a student in the school system
There's such a thing as lowering the barrier to input too much.
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I loved banned book week, when my kids were encouraged to read books that had been banned at some time and discuss the reasons behind the ban. In florida they'll have to make it banned book month now.
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On paper it democratizes a bureaucracy that affects most of us. But it won't be average people who primarily use this mechanism to influence public education, it will be those with an agenda to convert public schools into their own publicly funded religious institution.
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Well let's look at what it takes to be a public school teacher in Florida. Wow, look at that. Credentials and training are required. It's almost like you're one of those ignorant morons I mentioned earlier. Thanks for providing such a good example!
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Complain to get it removed. What is the reference supporting the claim that God created the Earth and creatures that live upon it? AFAIK, it's only one book.
And the bible is full of pornography. Easy to find examples.
I would think for sufficiently creative people with appropriate resources, this law could easily be turned around to cause all kinds of problems for it's proponents.
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Texas public schools are proof that phony religionists with a political agenda can convert public schools (and public school curriculum) into their own publicly funded religious institutions.
It's happened in other states, of course, but I'm most familiar with Texas.
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That 35th world ranking for maths for the USA is now looking like nirvana.
US kids are going to end up with the IQ of an (intelligently designed) potato.
I now understand WHY Trump is going to bring back the manufacturing jobs, the average US school leaver will not be qualified to do anything else. All the jobs that will require smart people will be done in Asia, all the work that requires someone who knows which end of a shovel to hold will be in the USA. China and the USA are about to swap positions. And at the rate the US citizens are giving up their "freedom" because they are frightened of terrorists, that swap may come sooner than anyone realises.
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"leader of the free world"..... maybe last year, but not any more.
Public education... having public input?! wow what a novel concept!
Input is one thing, being able to challenge material in the curriculum when you may not know the material yourself is a different thing. Education is like health care or indeed any other profession: you want to be able to give input on the best course of action to a professional who can weigh that input along with what they know to devise the best course of action.
If your doctor's course of treatment for you could be challenged by random members of the public and judged by a random bureaucrat who likely has little to know medical knowledge you would get terrible health case. The same is true for education.
Yep.
http://www.slate.com/articles/...
You are welcome on my lawn.
this is just an extension of the "all opinions are just as good" method from fox etc.
basically.. in order to be "neutral, unbiased" you have to provide both sides of a discussion equally. basically, what it means that if someone says that they should teach that the sun is made of cheddar and the moon out of marshmallow, they should get just as much of a platform to present this opinion.
it's fucking stupid and it makes stupid people even more stupid so there's that.. and it fits the binary notion.
like, about the composition and how the moon came to be.. there are like 100 scientific, kind of sense making theories. if people were sensible about unbiased they would present 1000 of those theories and the 40 DIFFERENT "god made it" arguments. in any case it would be pretty great to teach that if you teach the religious explanation, then you would also tell of the 100 OTHER RELIGIOUS EXPLANATIONS.
because basically, the quickest way to make an atheist or at least an agnostic is to simply teach that, hey, there's these fucking 100 different religious views that are totally incompatible with each other.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
"I'm here to challenge this district's use of Brave New World in the curriculum."
"Ok, here's the 'Ban Brave New World' form, goes in that stack over there. What's your objection? Promiscuity? Irreligion? Drugs? Socialism?"
"No, it's inaccurate. Huxley says Alphas belong in charge, but we seem to be doing pretty great with Epsilons running the state of Florida."
"... You can write that, but you know the Board's not going to get it, right?"
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A doctoral thesis proposing a radical departure from known science is, however, not something you would teach in elementary schools. Do the legwork, be open to the peer review and if your thesis ever goes mainstream, then it could make it into the curriculum.
That 35th world ranking for maths for the USA is now looking like nirvana.
Yeah, government schools aren't very good. So you should definitely freak out if anyone tries to change anything about them.
I grew up in Florida. My senior year, my English teacher let us watch "Full Metal Jacket" IN CLASS. And to think we went through almost the entire year without realizing how cool she secretly was.
The most twisted part is that if any member of the public had found out and complained, their primary objection would have probably been the film's antiwar sentiment and implied criticism of America and its military (that same year, my American History teacher admitted point blank that he was EXPLICITLY prohibited from saying anything about either Watergate or the Vietnam War because the Principal deemed both topics to be "too controversial").
Not really. Not any more than someone who says lorry, bonnet, boot, or tyre when talking about cars. Maths is the standard word for mathematics in British English.
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Letting retarded parents question the teaching of evolution in biology classes is surely going to alleviate this problem...
I call it common sense. I don't want uneducated teachers out there. College has been a requirement for public school teachers for many decades. If you want teachers with less education, you can try private schools or home schooling.
Garbage in, garbage out.
What happened was simply that people got disillusioned, and that the TV heroes changed big time. In the 60s, the heroes were astronauts and everyone could make a living on a single income. Getting rich, or at least comfortable, was something you could realistically achieve with hard work. The 80s came and the TV and movie heroes were the yuppies who also convinced anyone that you gotta and gonna get rich if you are smart, climb the corporate ladder and get to the top.
Today the TV heroes are washed up idiots and wannabe-celebs in reality docu soaps and getting rich is something you could hope for by winning the lottery or suing the pants off some rich guy who hit you with his car. Even the TV shows we have feature bumbling fools and underachievers as the protagonists.
How do you want to motivate kids in such an environment to waste their time on learning anything? It's moot anyway. And I can't blame them, they're mostly even right.
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It impacts your credibility if you're talking about that and you don't know what apostrophes are for.
He is criticizing the education system. So the fact that he failed to learn how to use apostrophes properly actually strengthens his argument that the system is defective.
The problem is that this position isn't really about public input, it's about appeasing religious extremism and undermining scientific literacy.
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The problem is majority of the public are complete imbecils. So letting imbecils to having any input into science education is an extremely bad idea.
Parents, who invest $1M per child and blood, sweat, tears and sleepless nights having input on what their child learns?? This concept is anathema to the fascist progressives and alt-left who believe they know better what your child should learn than you do, never mind that at best most of them hold a BA in philosophy or education, while there are many parents that hold MS and PhDs in hard science fields.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like