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Afghan Girl Roboticists Denied US Visas (bbc.com)

Three anonymous readers share a similar report: An all-girl team of roboticists will watch their creations compete in a US competition via Skype after being denied visas to enter the country. President Trump recently ordered a ban on travel from six Muslim-majority countries, but Afghanistan was not included on the list. Teams from Iran, Sudan and Syria -- which are on the list -- did manage to enter the country. The six-member team watched their ball-sorting robot compete in Washington DC via a video link from their hometown of Herat, in western Afghanistan. "We still don't know the reason why we were not granted visas, because other countries participating in the competition have been given visas," Fatemah Qaderyan, 14, told Reuters.

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  1. American Xenophobia by cahuenga · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Welcome to the DeEnlightenment.

    What an embarrassment this country is becoming.

    1. Re:American Xenophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not knowing the reason for their denial you assume the worst? What is more embarrassing is your virtue signaling without all the facts.

    2. Re:American Xenophobia by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course, the same thing could have (and did) happen under the Obama administration years ago, it's just you didn't hear about it when it did, because there wasn't much political capital to gain by reporting on it. In fact, the summary itself undercuts the "xenophobia" narrative: why would the US let in teams from Syran, Iran, etc. if xenophobia was the driving motivator? Any time you apply for a visa to any country, there's a chance it'll be rejected. The US system in particular can be a bit capricious, which is a problem, but it's more of a bureaucratic problem, not a prejudicial one.

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    3. Re:American Xenophobia by Rockoon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The thing is, the left doesnt understand that when they open with dishonesty they can never trick new people into believing them.

      Nobody gives a fuck what the left has to say any longer. They even tried to convince Californians that they wanted single-player health-care, then promptly buried it in committee.

      These are the same people that, when there was suddenly a chance of legislation passing that would allow cheaper medicine being imported into the country (because several Republicans at the last minute decided to join in and support it), changed their tune and scheduled a witching-hour vote where 13 Democrats that told the public they supported it, voted against and killed that too.

      after they killed it, those same 13 Democrats then went back to the public and sad how they are supporting it again.

      Their words are lies. Their actions are harmful. Fuck the Democrats.

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    4. Re:American Xenophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except both sides are dishonest. Don't act like one side is honest and the other isn't. I see BS from every direction.

      Give up political parties, be an independent and think for yourself.

    5. Re:American Xenophobia by e3m4n · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you should have not posted as AC, because too few people actually realize this. They constantly get fed bullshit from one side that promptly blames the other. Right now I'm seeing this to a disproportionate degree from the left, but its always there. Since just before the election I've seen claims that the right will bring about world war 3, enslave billions, starve entire countries, cause the plague, famine, the apocalypse,.. you name it. Then the media gives them a voice to spread their fearmongering to the extent that people believe this horshit so much that they act out in pure, unadulterated violence. The media does nothing to tone down the rhetoric, instead they fan the flames, despite the threats of assasination, and exile. Then suddenly someone makes a video gif of trump punching a CNN logo and NOW SUDDENLY the media goes on and on about professionalism and how its not cool to threaten the press. To hell with that. They said nothing as other people have been threatened, even shot. They even were caught rejoicing when that shooter shot up the baseball practice.

      The only solution is to eliminate a 2 party system. Polarization and a 50/50 divide where people believe one side as the epitome of good while the other the bastion of evil is Toxic to this country.

  2. Re:Girl by Kierthos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It matters because in Afghanistan, women risk being attacked for daring to get an education. The fact that these young women are a robotics team is an important part of the story.

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  3. Re: Girl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why did we not read about each case of denied Visas under Obama? They did happen.

  4. probably the usual reasons by ooloorie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "We still don't know the reason why we were not granted visas, because other countries participating in the competition have been given visas,"

    Most likely the usual reasons: either, they didn't demonstrate that they had enough money to stay in the US, or there was doubt about their ability or desire to leave the US once granted entry. Same reason EU countries frequently deny entry.

    After all, the US does seem to have difficulties removing people who overstay their visas or enter illegally.

    1. Re: probably the usual reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And yet the possibility of a valid reason is doubted.

      That's the problem with establishing a poor record, you aren't trusted to make even earnest decisions.

  5. Re:Girl by nightfire-unique · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why does their gender matter? Quit being so sexist.

    Have you been living in a basement for the past 10 years?

    It matters because girls in much of Afghanistan are systematically repressed and mistreated, denied education, equal rights and privileges, etc. That an all girls team from Afghanistan is excelling in robotics is very relevant to this story.

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  6. Re:Girl by ooloorie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Their gender matters because as girls from Afghanistan, they would have been able to make a pretty good case that they should be allowed to remain in the US after being admitted due to conditions for girls in Afghanistan.

  7. No rights violated: Entry to the US is not a right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Entry into a foreign country is not a right.

    These girls did not have any of their rights violated. They applied for visas; they were declined. It happens all the time. It happens to foreigners applying for visas in the US; it happens to Americans applying for visas elsewhere.

    In addition, their gender is irrelevant. This information has only been included to incite more outrage from those who feed off of left-wing identity politics.

    There is no story here except for the one that professional victims and their allies are trying to create.

  8. Re:Girl by CrankyFool · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And wouldn't that be just terrible. God knows how our culture could possibly survive allowing a few young girls come here.

  9. Re: Girl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For the simple reason that Obama didn't make it a signature policy of his to create a Muslim ban. Mistakes were probably made, but since Obama didn't wade into it, there was no mess on him.

    Instead, the right-wing went into hysterical frenzies over Obama criticizing the police, ATF guns, and Guantanamo. Even today, an NYPD officer was shot. Obama will likely get attacked for it, but Trump? Nope.

    Just watch though, Trump will likely get flak over trying to bring a baby in the country, whose lifespan will be measured in agonizing months, and all his supporters will be ignoring how his Trumpcare cuts funds for medical care for US citizens.

  10. Re:Too bad by stealth_finger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The fuck is wrong with you?

    Supporting young roboticists is exactly the type of thing what Slashdot is all about.

    Grow up.

    Really? I thought slashdot was all about typos in teh summaries and misplaced rage from people who don't read the articles.

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  11. How's this related to the Travel ban? by bobbied · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Until somebody shows that the denial was based on Trump's "travel ban" why are we mentioning it?

    NOTHING in the "travel ban" has anything to do with this. Visa's get denied all the time for all sorts of reasons, some good, some not so good. Somebody decided to deny this visa application by a non-US citizen and until we know why, how's this has anything to do with Trump's Executive Order?

    Oh, I know... It's guilt by association... How dare ANY visa application get denied! Everybody has a right to come here! (NOT!)

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  12. Re: Girl by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "President Trump recently ordered a ban on travel from six Muslim-majority countries, but Afghanistan was not included on the list."

    But we are going to mention it in order to stir up shit.

    I can't wait for someone from Canada to be denied entry for whatever reason and then some stupid fucker mention the Ban while explaining that Canada wasn't part of it.

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    When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
  13. Bureaucrats... by slew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Being an intelligent (young) woman is most decidedly a threat.

    Yes, sadly, a threat to overstay their visas. Sadly, that is one of the criteria that has been historically used by bureaucrats in the visa office to deny visas.

    In case you haven't been involved in obtaining visas for foreigners before, this is unfortunately quite common. I've seen this many times, despite impeccable invitation letters, pre-paid round trip air tickets, evidence of foreign funds (bank accounts), evidence of strong ties to return (e.g., children, close family members), visas for young folks (12-30 years old) from many poor-er countries get routinely denied by bureaucrats in the various visa offices ostensibly for this reason.

    Depending on your politics and your sympathies, you may not care about this risk, but to some of the faceless bureaucrats running the visa offices, visa overstay risk is as much of a "threat" as association with terrorists.

    On the flip side, see it from their point of view in "enforcing" the laws on the books: a group of young girls with little to tie them to their home country (and who might be ostracized in their own country for being educated), want a visa to travel to the USA on limited funds. Sadly, you gotta admit that at least a yellow flag would be raised that they are at risk of overstaying their visa. Maybe you don't care if they overstay, but depending on who was reviewing their visa application, that person might happen to care enough to deny the visa and I suspect that is exactly what happened.

  14. Re: Idiocy by penandpaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When everything is racist how do you not be a racist? Seriously, I want to know.