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CNN Warns It May Expose An Anonymous Critic If He Ever Again Publishes Bad Content (theintercept.com)

New submitter evolutionary writes: CNN appears to be giving veiled threats at a Reddit user who posted critical comments about the media giant. After an apology was given by the Reddit user (possibly under fear upon discovering CNN had his identity), CNN stated: "CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change." The story stems around Trump's July 2nd tweet, which includes a video showing him wrestle and takedown someone with a photoshopped CNN logo on their head. The video was accompanied by the hashtags #FraudNewsCNN and #FNN. CNN reportedly tracked down the Reddit user who claimed credit for the tweet and announced they would not publicize the user's identity since they issued a lengthy public apology, promised not to repeat the behavior, and claimed status as a private citizen. However, as The Intercept reports, "the network explicitly threatened that it could change its mind about withholding the user's real name if this behavior changes in the future: 'CNN is not publishing HanA**holeSolo's name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same. CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.'"

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  1. Wtf by negRo_slim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What the fuck?

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    1. Re:Wtf by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, CNN never actually doxxed the guy.

      But 8chan has now doxxed 6 CNN anchors: David Chalian, Wolf Blitzer, Erik Erickson, Brian Stelter, Don Lemon, and Daniel Merica. Their names, addresses, emails, and phone numbers are up.

    2. Re: Wtf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Without taking sides? The guy obviously posted an anti CNN image, the side to take have already been chosen for them.

    3. Re: Wtf by andydread · · Score: 5, Informative

      DId you not see the other posts from that reddit user? Claiming that reporters should be shot. Blow up muslims and blacks, the list goes on and on. The meme video is the least.

  2. CNN Is Getting Ripped for this and they deserve it by GLMDesigns · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow did CNN mess up. And that Cuomo guy truly screwed the pooch* You would think that growing up in a political family, with a Governor for a father and a brother that he wouldn't step in it so badly.

    What a colossal failure on the part of CNN.

    * Yeah. The first time I ever used that expression. :)

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  3. Seems reasonable, actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The guy admitted to them he's a troll, and asked them not to publish his real name because of the potential negative impact his trolling would have on his real life. They said ok, but if you start trolling again we may not be willing to withhold your name.

    What's the better option? What they did, or publish and be damned (with probably at least a bunch of harassment for the guy), or withhold the name but not tell him they might publish in future if he keeps it up? I think they chose a reasonable course.

    1. Re:Seems reasonable, actually by GLMDesigns · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What are you talking about. He made a f**king animated gif. And CNN is threatening him? WTF?

      You think that if it was reversed - if the CNN wrestler was beating up on Trump - that CNN would go after him? The optics for CNN are f**king awful.

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    2. Re:Seems reasonable, actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think that if this CNN GIF was the only thing this troll had done, he'd be terribly worried about it. From the CNN article:

      "HanA**holeSolo's" other posts on Reddit, some of which included racist and anti-Semitic imagery

      The troll doesn't want his racist trolling to come back to haunt him. CNN cut him some slack this time. You say they could have done this in a much better way - care to elaborate? As I pointed out above, I only see two other options - publish his name, or not publish and don't give him a warning, which seems disingenuous since the threat is implicit once they have your information.

      I don't have a lot of sympathy for trolls who suddenly find they are not as anonymous as they thought they were.

    3. Re:Seems reasonable, actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't think it's news that the POTUS is tweeting (remade) GIFs which just happen to be made by a troll who also, purely coincidentally, puts out racist and anti-semitic posts?

      It's the fact that Trump uses this type of material which makes it news. The fact is that once they had tracked this guy down the did not DOX him, but the fact is also that they could, and that fact doesn't change because they say it out loud or not.

    4. Re:Seems reasonable, actually by Charlotte · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why should CNN have this power?

      We all have this power. If someone says something racist to you at a bar, you can record him and publish it with his real name on the youtubes. But should you?

      I agree that CNN should not be the gatekeeper of free speech on the internet. But I think this points to a more basic problem: when do you "out" someone's personal details? Is it enough for someone newsworthy to retweet you for your personal life to be up for grabs?

      I think that it would have been better if CNN had simply said: "This person's details are not newsworthy, so we have anonymised him". My gut feeling (could be wrong) is that this comment was not put past an editor who could weigh in. Another reason could be that CNN does not have an appropriate policy in place to avoid internet shaming, and that the writer acted on his own gut feeling to do so.

      In any case, this should make us think about such a policy....

    5. Re:Seems reasonable, actually by ilsaloving · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why shouldn't they have the power? They were a victim of his trolling, which basically was libel and slander.

      But maybe you're right. They should have just published his name and be done with it. That way all the people affected by his other racist remarks could also seek redress.

      The only thing I find annoying is that I wish they would go after Trump with the same enthusiasm as they went after some random no-account internet troll. Trump is literally reshaping the reality of US with his words. I remember "Fake News" used to mean "News that was fabricated, with maybe a sprinkle of facts to give it legitimacy". Now it means "Anything Trump doesn't like". And a disturbing number of people haven't even noticed the change.

    6. Re:Seems reasonable, actually by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Anything the president does is NEWS. Get used to that idea because it was as true in the Reagan administration as it was in the Clinton, Obama and Bush admins. You might be too young to realize it, but that's the entire reason they call it the bully pulpit because anything they do or say is automatically national news.

      That's how the system works whether you like it or not, I'm sure you loved it when Obama was in office and you could laugh and ridicule him, but all of a sudden your pony is in office and it's not ok. Well here in the real world that's how it works, you don't have to like it but you don't get to deny reality.

    7. Re:Seems reasonable, actually by superwiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Although they have a reputation to protect, they could have done this in a much better way.

      No. *Because* they have a reputation to maintain they had to do in a better way. Now they just look like monsters. They threatened all private individuals not to mock them or risk becoming their target. Anytime you see CNN now, you have to ask yourself "what other information are they suppressing?"

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  4. And we just celebrated the Fourth of July by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does CNN not realize that there is a Constitutional right to troll without facing any consequences? It's right there in Article XII of the Constitution.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

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    1. Re:And we just celebrated the Fourth of July by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Freedom of speech does not imply freedom from consequences.

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  5. Re:Repost meme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    He/She created the video. Didn't just repost it.

  6. Ini other words. . . by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Informative

    CNN did its job. It investigated who put up the video, just like they have done in every other situation. When they found the person, they confronted them and gave them time to explain.

    The person, not having the convictions of their actions, agreed to withdraw the video and apologize because, and something not stated in this particular article, he didn't want to bring shame to his family.

    As always, he claimed the anti-semitic remarks he regularly posted weren't really who he was, nor was he in any way proud of what he had done.

    Of course that's not what he said when the video went up:

    After Trump tweeted the video on Sunday, "HanA**holeSolo" took to Reddit to say he was "honored," writing "Holy sâ"!! I wake up and have my morning coffee and who retweets my sâ"post but the MAGA EMPORER himself!!! I am honored!!" MAGA is an acronym for the President's campaign slogan: Make America great again."

    After posting his apology, "HanA**holeSolo" called CNN's KFile and confirmed his identity. In the interview, "HanA**holeSolo" sounded nervous about his identity being revealed and asked to not be named out of fear for his personal safety and for the public embarrassment it would bring to him and his family.

    Interestingly, moderators removed the entire apology from the sub group after it was posted.

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  7. Re:Better summary from reddit discussion by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think CNN's time would be better spent on things like making the obvious connection between bribes and policy than tracking down insulting memes on the internet. Even on the subject or racism, they'd be better of covering racist policing and the racial bias that is deeply ingrained in the war on drugs.

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  8. Re:Repost meme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exercise free speech in an unpopular way, media outlet threatens to dox you.

  9. Re:CNN is ISIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    CNN said that they tried to contact him first then he put up his apology the next day.

    The apology came after CNN's KFile identified the man behind "HanA**holeSolo." Using identifying information that "HanA**holeSolo" posted on Reddit, KFile was able to determine key biographical details, to find the man's name using a Facebook search and ultimately corroborate details he had made available on Reddit.

    On Monday, KFile attempted to contact the man by email and phone but he did not respond. On Tuesday, "HanA**holeSolo" posted his apology on the subreddit /The_Donald and deleted all of his other posts.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html

    Where is CNN saying that "he called them to apologize first?" Even your own link has CNN saying that they attempted to contact him first. You make it seem like CNN is saying the guy called them up out of the blue to apologize but that's not what CNN is saying.

  10. Re:CNN is ISIS by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And another view is that CNN pursued a mater of public interest (the video) discovered the originator, investigated their history and found out they routinely posted anti-Semitic and racist posts, discovered who that person was and contacted them for comment. Even 1 year ago they would have published his name without a second thought (just like Fox News or any other publication).

    The guy then contacted CNN and convinced them to withhold his name, they did so but noted that if he continued to be a story of interest due to his postings that they wouldn't withold his name again. There is nothing untoward about that, would you have felt better if they just named him without a second thought like they and everyone else would have even a year ago?

    I'm just happy we made some progress and they didn't name him straight away. Personally I'm torn about this, I believe people who post stuff like that should be outed to their family and friends so that the people they associate with can know what that person really thinks. But at the same time I don't think people should lose jobs over stuff posted on the internet and I don't believe anyone needs to be national news for views like that.

  11. Blackmail != Bullying by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's funny how when the bully's get bullied back, they suddenly don't like it.

    This isn't bullying it is blackmail which in many countries is an actual crime. Had CNN just revealed his name as part of a news story you could classify that as bullying (mess with us and suffer the consequences). Where they crossed the line, and arguably committed a crime, is when they threatened to do this unless he continues to do what they want.

    1. Re:Blackmail != Bullying by guises · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The summary and article are giving events backwards in order to make CNN look like the villains. It wasn't CNN tracking down this guy and threatening to dox him and then him agreeing not to do this anymore. It was him begging them not to reveal his identity, and then CNN agreeing not to do that in light of his apology.

      What CNN did actually do: they tracked down an internet poster, and then called him for a statement. They could have just published his name without calling him first, but that's irresponsible journalism. They could have ignored his request not to be identified, which... I guess they should have done, as heartless as it may be. They're getting a lot of shit for their compassion right now.

    2. Re:Blackmail != Bullying by TrekkieGod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What CNN did actually do: they tracked down an internet poster, and then called him for a statement. They could have just published his name without calling him first, but that's irresponsible journalism.

      I'm not sure what was leading up to that was "responsible journalism" either. I mean, tracking down an internet poster of a meme? That's tabloid-level shit.

      I get Trump posted the meme, and that's news. But the news is that Trump posted the meme, who the fuck cares who made it? And if it's relevant that whoever made it is a racist anti-Semite because Trump follows those types of people, the news would be that Trump is following racist anti-Semites. The dude himself isn't a public figure, he's some guy trolling on Reddit. How would you like it if Fox News tracked down the source of some anti-Trump meme that a prominent Democrat retweeted, discovered the same guy also posted some "antifa" stuff that encouraged violence, then agreed to refrain from revealing his identity only if he agrees never to do it again?

      I'm not defending Trump here. Posting shitty memes should be below the dignity of his office. Every time I think he can't sink any lower, he somehow manages, on a daily basis at that. But thanks to CNN, instead of having a real discussion about this, now we have to admit the Trump followers talking about bad behavior from the mainstream media actually have a point, in this one instance. This was below the dignity of a respectable news organization.

      They could have ignored his request not to be identified, which... I guess they should have done, as heartless as it may be. They're getting a lot of shit for their compassion right now.

      You're ignoring their option to simply respect his request without conditions. How exactly does revealing his identity serve the public interest?

      Again, that's assuming there even was a story which was worth tracking the guy down for in the first place, and I don't think there was.

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  12. Re:Repost meme by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The claim that making a gif of a CNN logo being wrestled is the same thing as threatening violence against the media is such a stupid statement I'm not even sure where to start.

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  13. Re:I hope they get more by s.petry · · Score: 5, Informative

    The real cure for your ignorance would be to read.

    Extortion Statutes

    Virtually all extortion statutes require that a threat must be made to the person or property of the victim. Threats to harm the victim's friends or relatives may also be included. It is not necessary for a threat to involve physical injury. It may be sufficient to threaten to accuse another person of a crime or to expose a secret that would result in public embarrassment or ridicule. The threat does not have to relate to an unlawful act. (last emphasis mine)

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  14. Re:Repost meme by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (Irony right here as I post as AC)

    No, that's hypocrisy.

    Free speech is the freedom to speak your mind. It also means others have the freedom to hear your statements and decide how to view you. It doesn't give you the right to hide behind a freaking handle then cry fowl when people inevitably find out you are really an asshole.

    The bill of rights does not give anyone any rights. The right to say whatever the fuck you want is a natural "god-given" right. The 1st amendment is a promise (often broken) by the federal government not to take away or limit that right.

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  15. Re:CNN is ISIS by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't make racist or anti-Semitic comments when I'm "blowing off steam" or for the "lulz", I don't belittle people to make myself feel better. If you do this you should be perfectly happy with your friends, neighbors and family members finding out you do it. If you are embarrassed or ashamed for doing this shit then you KNOW what you are doing is wrong.

    I'm not ashamed or afraid of anything I've posted becoming attached to my real name, are you? If you are you should grow the fuck up and stop being an asshole.

  16. CNN has no obligations by RubberDogBone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    CNN has no privacy agreement or obligation to keep this person's ID private. Inasmuch as this person has caused a media event thanks to their creative editing, they have made themselves into a newsworthy subject and thus CNN Is well within norms of journalism to reveal who it is.

    For that matter, so is any other part of the media. If any of them also have the identity, then there is ground to attempt to interview them as part of a news story.

    TL;DR version: this person has no expectation of privacy thanks to a news event they helped create. If you want privacy, don't do shit like this or at least be better at hiding who the fuck you are.

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