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Chicago To Make Future Plans a Graduation Requirement (thehill.com)

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanual's recently approved plan will require high school students show their plans for the future before obtaining their diploma. "Students will soon have to show that they've secured a job or received a letter of acceptance to college, a trade apprenticeship, a gap year program or the military in order to graduate," reports The Hill. From the report: "We are going to help kids have a plan, because they're going to need it to succeed," Emanuel told the Post. "You cannot have kids think that 12th grade is done." But critics say the district may not be able to provide mentoring to help needy students when the rule takes effect in 2020. "It sounds good on paper, but the problem is that when you've cut the number of counselors in schools, when you've cut the kind of services that kids need, who is going to do this work?" Karen Lewis, president of the Chicago Teachers Union, told the Post. "If you've done the work to earn a diploma, then you should get a diploma. Because if you don't, you are forcing kids into more poverty."

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  1. Not News for Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Not Stuff that Matters

    1. Re: Not News for Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So many -1's yet no comments defending you. You don't even try to hide how pathetic you are for downmodding people that point out how sad you are.

    2. Re:Not News for Nerds by vtcodger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Education is important, but it's not clear this has anything much to do with education. This is about a probably nutty idea that punishes 17-18 year olds for not having a clear idea what they want to do with their lives. Or maybe it punishes them for having such an idea if it isn't conventional.

      My opinion. The kids did the school work. Give them their damn diploma.

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    3. Re:Not News for Nerds by RabidReindeer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd say that this lines up perfectly with the current trend of withholding benefits to people unless they work for them.

      If a graduate doesn't have a plan to "hit the ground running", then he/she is more likely to be a drain on the public coffers and we wouldn't want to see our hard-earned tax dollars wasted by some muzzy-minded HS graduate would we? Come to think of it, why don't we demand a drug test too? Our local Republican legislature is really big on thing like this.

      Speaking from real life, however, I can say that having a goal and actually being able to move towards that goal at age 18 aren't the same thing. I'm afraid that neither educational, home or community environments left me with any clue on how to advance to the next stage. I just muddled through until eventually I managed to sort of fall into a track that led ultimately to a career as a happy taxpayer.

  2. Means well, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanual's recently approved plan will require high school students show their plans for the future before obtaining their diploma.

    One of those "means well" but it's not going to work as well as he thinks. I remember even I straight out of high school wasn't absolutely sure what I was going to do.

    1. Re:Means well, but... by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Need a high school diploma to get a decent job, but can't get the diploma until you have a job. How to make more burger flippers.

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    2. Re:Means well, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hell, I finished high school 23 years ago and I still am not sure what I want to do. I've had wildly varying and interesting jobs that have taken me all over the world and I wouldn't trade that for anything.

    3. Re:Means well, but... by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      schools work with employers, especially ones filling apprentice type jobs with on-the-job training

      Oh you mean unpaid internships? Yeah sure, if you're going to give me some slaves for 6 months or a year I'm sure I can find work for them. Do you think employers will "work with schools" out of the kindness of their hearts? Where's the profit in that? There are hundreds if not thousands of candidates for any job opening. It's not hard for an employer to find employees. Why should I even take the time to set up some sort of "program"? Unless of course, you're going to promise me suckers who are told that their "experience" is their salary.

      Amazing how the US is behind absolutely everyone else in terms of laws that actually protect workers.

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  3. Ass-backwards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This seems ass-backwards. Let's hold students back because we don't want to hold them back. Isn't the point to successfully get out of "school" (not drop out) as soon as possible? Won't this just lead to more dropouts?

    1. Re:Ass-backwards? by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The goal is to keep more cattle in the academia industrial complex because the massive debt they accumulate, and the years they waste not entering the workforce, help the corporate masters strengthen their grip.

    2. Re:Ass-backwards? by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most people don't pay anything for public K-12 education outside a registration fee and sometimes to play a sport or join a club.

      Yeah, its never been funded out of most peoples property taxes... oh wait... its almost entirely funded from most peoples property taxes.

      Local property tax rates are always highly dependent on the ratio of people to schools within the township or county.

      Now its time to shut the fuck up about shit you dont know anything about. K? TX.

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  4. Its funny how the detractors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its funny how the detractors of this scheme have identified that there will be problems, the thing about having a process is that you can identify the problems and address them appropriately, which will be substantially better than the status quo.

    1. Re:Its funny how the detractors by Rockoon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So what you are saying is:

      Lets create a bunch of problems. Then we get to solve those problems.

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  5. Excellent by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is really an excellent thing to do. If they have the resources in counselors to handle it, it's really a great idea, and it could be a real help to the US education system at large. So many of the country's political, social, environmental, and economic problems come from people not thinking ahead. I'd love to see this go into place. I think this would help knock some sense into a lot of people who've never stopped to think for a few minutes about the future. I think something this simple could really nudge a generation of kids into some basic thoughtfulness.

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    1. Re:Excellent by MtHuurne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having kids think about the future is a good idea. Making it a requirement for graduation is not, in my opinion.

      Graduation is supposed to mark that the student has sufficiently mastered what they were supposed to learn. Maybe you could argue that "thinking about the future" is a skill that schools should be teaching, but then the way to test that would be to for example let them write an essay about it, not to require letters of acceptance.

      What rubs me in the wrong way is that the school would have criteria for what are considered acceptable plans for the future. They would not only be judging whether the student has thought about the future, but also the decision itself.

  6. This is fucking stupid by Snotnose · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It took me a couple years after high school to figure out what I wanted to do. Started out EE, then computer science, finally got a degree in Math.

    If, at 18, I'd had to lay out my future plans they would have been somewhere along the lines of "smoke a lot of dope. Get laid. Find money to pay for weed and women".

    1. Re:This is fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It took me a couple years after high school to figure out what I wanted to do. Started out EE, then computer science, finally got a degree in Math.

      Did you do all of that in a place called "college"? Because that's ok, according to this plan.

  7. Not Consonant with a Free People by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those 18 year olds are free men and women. Neither Chicago, nor the State of Illinois, nor the Federal government own them. This proposal, however, presumes too much. One must have a diploma at minimum to participate in much of society. But now this paternalistic body speaks to these young men and women as if to say, "Before you can receive this academic certification, you must prove your willingness to offer years of your life to a corporate master (i.e. find an employer who will deign to accept you), a military hierarchy (with the concomitant possibility of losing your life), or to a bank (in the form of bankruptcy-proof student loans). The wealthy, of course, will be excepted by means of gap-year programs but you, peasant, you must swear fealty."

    I cannot deny the practical value of a proposal like this. It's certainly there. But I do deny the right of the state to gainsay an adults freedom to choose either to work or not work, to go to college or to spend a few years mooching off his willing parents, to take on debt or hang out in the basement writing or inventing or starting a business or playing video games.

    1. Re:Not Consonant with a Free People by Baron_Yam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It would be better if there was a policy (with funding) that required schools to provide sufficient guidance services to all graduates who request them to help them find that first job, apprenticeship program, or post-secondary institution that will take them. Guidance services that should probably start in their freshman high school year.

      "Do this difficult adult thing, kid, or we will hobble your future" is nasty. "Here, let me help you do this difficult thing because that piece of paper alone won't cut it" isn't.

  8. I find this horrifying by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and it's the kind of thing that makes me think there's something genuinely evil behind it. There's no benefit here. If a kid doesn't have problems in life they'll be college bound. But a kid who does just got a whole new set of problems to worry about. More friction at home. More fights.

    As for 'counselors' my kid just graduated. Her counselors were worse than useless. Overworked. Under trained and under resourced. They knew most of the kids were boned and made no secret of it. And this was in one of the best schools in the city. What I'm saying is any kid that doesn't have amazing parents (or at least rich ones) is screwed. Oh, and speaking of rich parents if you're the kind of rich brat that gets to travel for a year you can easily get exempted from this.

    My guess is this is the local businesses looking to get cheap labor from desperate kids who now must have a job to graduate. We'll probably see more 'internships' where you're working full time for little or no pay. I can't think of another reason to push something this awful and this obviously unpopular. If anyone else knows what evil thing is behind this let me know.

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  9. Better yet - educate! by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about just focusing on making sure they can read the newspaper, write at an equivalent level, perform basic math as needed to balance a checkbook, do basic geometry, learn about US history (at the very least - ideally world history as well), and have two years of science classes - biology, chemistry, physics? Oh - and can actually PASS the course without having "adjustments" made for life experiences. In essence - make sure they EARNED their degree, proving a minimal level of educational achievement. What they do with the degree after that is none of your concern, Rahm...

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  10. Re:Vicious circle by shellster_dude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So every college student without a plan is going to go to their mailbox, pull out the latest "acceptance letter" from the nearest vampire college that takes anyone with a pulse, and submit it to get their diploma. Meanwhile, the idiots that wrote this law can do a press conference and talk about how he's thinking of the children.