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Microsoft's Last 'Bug Bash' Before Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (betanews.com)

Mark Wilson quotes BetaNews: With the launch of Windows 10 Fall Creators Update Build 16237 to the Fast Ring yesterday, Microsoft wheeled in numerous fixes and new features. At the same time, the company also announced that the second Bug Bash for the next big update to Windows 10 is about to take place. This is the last Bug Bash that will take place before the release of the final version of Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, and it will see an intense period of testing with the help of Windows Insiders. Things kick off on Friday, July 14 and continue for more than a week.

Of course, the whole idea of the insider program is to help Microsoft to home in on bugs and get them fixed before software is released to the masses, but the Bug Bash steps things up a notch. Participants will be asked to take part in quests to check specific elements of the operating system as Microsoft draws closer to pushing out this latest feature update.

This build includes "read out loud" functionality for PDFs, support for emoji 5.0 -- and now when you relaunch Edge after it crashes, your tabs will be restored automatically.

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  1. Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    out the door. We recently missed two that probably could have been prevented with better reporting tools for the build team, but we fired everyone good on that team. We only have contractors left.

    1. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know a couple of contractors on the build team, and they make $12 an hour and are required to work a lot of unpaid hours. No wonder they have problems.

    2. Re:Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much is Microsoft paying users to do this work?

    3. Re:Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing! That's why they're doing it.

      But seriously, they're doing a better job than I expected even with the missed releases.

    4. Re:Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then what incentive do users have to be unpaid QA?

    5. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't even pay their contractors over forty. I've worked nearly eighty hours the past week but have a max of forty that I can ever get paid for.

    6. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's true of nearly all MS contractors. We don't get paid for the hours we work.

    7. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That has been Microsoft policy for a long time. Work contractors for 60+ hours a week, but only pay them for forty.

    8. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've worked at Microsoft for nearly twenty years. That is normal.

    9. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was there they all made more than $10 per hour. Why would you expect to be paid for all of your time?

    10. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is why the nearly sixty people in my department are contractors except for me. We don't pay them for their time. Of course I'm in the same boat since Microsoft doesn't pay me for overtime or allow me to use my vacation time.

    11. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..., but only pay them for forty.

      And that is why nearly everyone I work with here at Microsoft is a contractor or vendor. We work the hell out of them, but limit their pay to forty hours.

    12. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know a couple of contractors on the build team, and they make $12 an hour...

      I'm a CPA that later got into Java development, but I do tax returns on the side for extra money. $12 isn't that uncommon for what Microsoft pays. I'm always amazed at how little or how much they pay. My roommate makes nearly $400k at Microsoft while my two nieces may $10 per hour. The pay inequality is just amazing.

    13. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And WA has never called them on that.

    14. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you expect them to pay you for time worked?

    15. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...limit their pay to forty hours.

      I just don't get how Washington state is supposed to be progressive, but we never punish Microsoft for that. I worked there as an hourly employee, and they only paid us for about half of the hours we worked.

    16. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because this state is ruled by Republicans.

    17. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean by users? It is us employees that don't get paid for over forty even though we're required to work.

    18. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but that doesn't replace professional QA.

    19. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked nearly ninety hours last week, but only got paid for forty.

    20. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is normal and MSFT is upfront able that during hiring.

    21. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Entropius · · Score: 2

      Microsoft probably figures that you spent forty hours actually working and fifty hours watching a circle made out of dots go around and around while Windows wanks.

    22. Re:Assunming they get the Insider release... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      For health reasons haven't been able to update, but it's fun.

    23. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Indiana is actually more progressive. Businesses here demand that the minimum wage be increased.

    24. Re: Assunming they get the Insider release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft doesn't have QA employees any more. They fired them all in order to turn their users into unpaid QA.

      Users buy a copy of Windows 10.
      Windows 10 collects all of their data so ads can be targeted, personal information sold and bugs get reported.
      Microsoft makes a shitload of money based on the free, unwitting work of millions and by stealing their time, energy, electricity, bandwidth and computer resources.

      The users never get anything from the deal while Microsoft makes off like a criminal...again.

  2. Bash It! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bash it good!

    Ketchup: mashed?

    Spy!

  3. Only LUDDITE have bug bashes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Modern app appers have app apps!

    Apps!

    1. Re:Only LUDDITE have bug bashes. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Ironically, there are few apps worth writing about in the Windows store itself. One can get good apps in the Apple Store or the Play Store, but hardly any on the Microsoft Store. And some apps, like Messaging, have fallen into disuse.

  4. This Will Be: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Bestest Windows Evar!

    As they all are, for so says redmond, Every. Single. Time.

  5. "Creators Update" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what sweet new tools do "Creators" get this time around? IIRC in the last "Creators" update they got a couple new gadgets in MS Paint. It'll be hard to ever top that, imo.

  6. Doing it wrong. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    If your browser crashes for any reason then the developers have the wrong priorities. (Not just applicable to Microsoft)

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    1. Re:Doing it wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least microsoft is thoughtful enough load the tabs that crashed it back up right away so it can crash again that much faster.

      whether they are sane enough to ASK FIRST before doing so, well, that'll be a ~ 4gb download to answer.

    2. Re:Doing it wrong. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You are under appreciating what it takes to actually make a modern browser. It doesn't just render content on a website. It accesses hardware, cryptographic APIs for DRM, switches user contexts on the fly, launches are myriad of processes in sandboxed environments.

      If you dedicate your efforts to ensure your browser never crashes, maybe you have the wrong priorities and should focus on actually making it feature complete to a modern standard.

    3. Re:Doing it wrong. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Mozilla used to have the best policy on this, allowing you to select tabs individually, but they'd still lose tabs every so often.

  7. To Micro$haft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To Micro$haft, features are bugs and vice versa...to them there is no difference! If they ad anything to the Win10 Spy-Virus, it will be more ways for it to spy on users and phone home!

  8. Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it just me or does this read more like an advertorial than a traditional ./ post?

    1. Re:Ads by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Is it just me or does this read more like an advertorial than a traditional ./ post?

      That would be pretty hard to do.

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  9. DECADES LATE FIX Long File Paths in File Explorer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows File Explorer STILL, after DECADES, cannot handle files with long paths THAT IT ITSELF CREATES.

    And no, that flag they added to support long file paths did NOT fix File Explorer.
    BEcause Fiel Explorer does NOT use it !!!

    Microsoft should stop throwing in new crap until they fix their old crap.

  10. Still can't run Cray XMP binaries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lame. Also, Sanjay Nutella is no Ballmer.

  11. Re:CNN is FAKE NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bugger off already

  12. There are never bugs in a Microsoft product. by mea2214 · · Score: 1

    To Microsoft fanboys all bugs are either due to a misbehaving third party driver or user error. That's why MS doesn't need QA.

    1. Re:There are never bugs in a Microsoft product. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      To Microsoft fanboys all bugs are either due to a misbehaving third party driver or user error. That's why MS doesn't need QA.

      Microsoft can never fail - only we can fail Microsoft. Meanwhile, I can hardly wait for all the software and hardware that quits working after the New Cremator's Upchuck.

      Same as it ever was.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  13. Re:What's "Edge" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In all honesty it usually takes me a few seconds to remember what Edge is too.

    Anyway, all the good browsers have had this feature for years and years. The real news is that apparently IE didn't.

  14. This is serious? Sad. by chipschap · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "This build includes "read out loud" functionality for PDFs"

    Which has already been in 3rd party software for --- how long now?

    "support for emoji 5.0"

    Now there's a real killer feature that will increase productivity a thousandfold!

    "and now when you relaunch Edge after it crashes, your tabs will be restored automatically"

    That's awesome! But ... um ... how about fixing Edge so it, you know, doesn't crash? By way of comparison, I can't even remember when Chrome has ever crashed on me.

    1. Re:This is serious? Sad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can. Or, more accurately, I can remember when other things cratered Chrome for me. Such as buggy display drivers BSODing the entire system. Having Chrome save tabs so it can restore them when the OS crashes is a good thing. Edge should do something similar. (And so should Firefox, which has a similar option that doesn't actually work because it corrupts the file it uses to save them.)

      Of course, even if they did fix it, it might not matter - I still haven't been allowed to get the Creators Update yet. They're STILL rolling it out. It's been three months since it was "released" and it's STILL not available for a lot of people! Windows Update has been telling me about how the Creators Update is "coming soon!" since late March.

    2. Re:This is serious? Sad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're on slashdot......go download it yourself....

    3. Re:This is serious? Sad. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I'm more interested in them fixing the Surface Type Cover 4 on the Pro 3 bug that they've promised to fix for 15 months now. If they can't keep their most premier product bug free, what hope have they got for their crappy browser?

    4. Re:This is serious? Sad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who uses Edge? Last I looked at browser shares Edge had maybe 2% or less market share. At this point I am not even sure Microsoft gives a crap about Edge. Its one of those apps that Microsoft feels compelled to provide even though its mostly used to download Chrome.

    5. Re:This is serious? Sad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm well aware I could manually download the Creators Update, but at this point, I want to see how long it will take before Microsoft finally offers it to me. I'm curious which will happen first - Microsoft finally pushes the Creators Update to my Windows PC or the Fall Creators Update is released. Besides, it's not like there are any features in it that are worth rushing for.

    6. Re:This is serious? Sad. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I used to laugh @ emojis, but I realized their value once I got into using Twitter. I often use flags & symbols in place of words to cramp my message within the 140 characters.

    7. Re:This is serious? Sad. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Precisely. I was on the original Windows 10 Beta program when my laptop had Windows 8: it was so unusable that I downloaded Windows 10 beta and used it. But the continuous automatic updates the first few days made it a pain, although the UI was far better. But this time, I'm not waiting for anything new, and really don't care. All my data is backed up both on OneDrive, as well as on USB sticks. So if Microsoft wants to force upgrades on me, go ahead. I'm just waiting to be able to update my TrueOS, since I've been stuck at a particular version, and haven't felt inclined to order the latest DVD.

    8. Re:This is serious? Sad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have Chrome crash every day I use it. And that's with 0 extensions.

    9. Re:This is serious? Sad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious? Calling a software release 'sad' is a bit silly.

      > Which has already been in 3rd party software for --- how long now?

      What's the problem with integrating this? For people with impaired vision, having this built in will be incredibly useful.

      > Now there's a real killer feature that will increase productivity a thousandfold!

      Yeah, how dare they keep up with modern standards!

      > That's awesome! But ... um ... how about fixing Edge so it, you know, doesn't crash? By way of comparison, I can't even remember when Chrome has ever crashed on me.

      Again, for your average user who buys a machine, takes it out of the box, and uses it with stock applications, this is just an application improvement. Some people just 'click the internet icon' and don't install any additional browser.

      Get over it. It's software. I'm not pro Microsoft in any way, but these complaints are fucking dumb.

  15. Fixed Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I fixed the Windows 10 source code, it's now very compact!

    #include

    int main(int argc, char* argv[]) {
                        printf ("Windows 10 is done!, this is the most secure Windows ever!");
                        return 0;
    }

    1. Re:Fixed Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4 liner code, but there's already a bug on your code.
      That's very funny isn't it?

    2. Re:Fixed Code by unixisc · · Score: 1

      #include what exactly?

  16. Fix Pin Caching by darkain · · Score: 1

    Can Microsoft please PLEASE fucking fix PIN Number caching finally!? Yubikeys are fucking worthless ever since a March Windows Update broke them. It has been a serious pain in the ass on Windows 10 machines to have to RDP into a Win7 machine just to be able to authenticate with servers, Git, and SSH in general. https://forum.yubico.com/viewt...

    1. Re:Fix Pin Caching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why fix it? That was a feature, not a bug.
      Easy solution, dump Yubikey. That's how M$ kills those 3rd party software companies which are successful.

  17. And I haven't even gotten the first CU yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Old tower, Gen1 i5 laptop, little cheap tablet - all have Win10 and work OK - in 1607. None have been offered the original CU (1703) yet. So will I just skip it and go for the fall release?

  18. No worries by krkhan · · Score: 3, Funny

    The undiscovered bugs can always be fixed in the Windows Fall Creator Anniversary Blue Imagine S update. The fuck is wrong with versioning things the old-fashioned way? I can't even recall if Windows Anniversary was 10.1 or 10.2, and I worked on Windows 10 when I was at Microsoft.

    1. Re:No worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 2017.5? 17.5 Win 10 service pack 5? windows 10.11 Windows NT 10. Windows 10.01, 10.02, 10.03?

      Just what one exactly My personal favorite to this very day is NT 3.51.

  19. Free bug testing for a for-profit company by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why in the world would you want to spend you time doing free bug testing for a for-profit company that doesn't have your best interests in mind anyway?

    I would rather put in my time fixing free software; at least I get something for my time there -- a good feeling of having contributed something to a worthwhile cause, not someone else's profit margin.

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    If you're a zombie and you know it, bite your friend!
    1. Re:Free bug testing for a for-profit company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said. M$ is at the brink of banruptcy. Anytime soon they might file bankruptcy and everyone would just said, "I told you to use other OS other than Windows". Pre-installing the garbage called Win10 on almost all laptops and desktops is a huge scam in the history of mankind.

      Preinstalling garbage on expensive machines, really?!

  20. Download and prompt to install rather than force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft Windows is more dangerous than viruses

    It reboots right in the middle of your important work with no way to stop it

    Well, you have to disable windows update.
    But then you don't even get notifications

    They did it so wrong.

  21. "Bug bash" != adding features. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please stop adding more code. When ever you fix one vulnerability you seem to add two more through your feature hysteria. 70% of the Windows OS code should NOT even be there. It is pure bloat and feature creep, not OS functionality
    !

    1. Re:"Bug bash" != adding features. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some features should be optional, like SMBv1 and SMBv2. Those should be asked at install time, do you want to connect this to a LAN or WAN? If not don't install it and create an easy tick box to disable or enable this feature, not by obscure registry hack which is difficult to know without using Google. I suggest M$ should just close shop and let their programmers do some productive work rather than creating more bloat on this useless OS called Windows 10.

  22. What a waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personally I have yet to see a new OS release that doesn't have bugs. What bugs me (pardon the pun) is that at least twice a year I have to endure these bugs just so Microsoft can brag about incremental features and updates that mean little to me. I used to get this with Mac OS but of course the frequency was much less and I was not forced to accept the updates.

    1. Re:What a waste of time by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I'm not a creator, so is there anything worth looking forward to in Creator's edition?

  23. Will they finally fix it? by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if Microsoft will finally fix all the massive UI shortcomings in W10. Get a real start menu back so that we do not have to fix it using 3rd party tools. End the split personality of system settings. Give us access to all system settings. Give more feedback now that they eliminated Save buttons. As important is improving the dismal hardware support. I have several not that old devices and cards that do not have any hardware support under Win 10. What am I supposed to do? Throw perfectly good hardware in the trash?

  24. Re:DECADES LATE FIX Long File Paths in File Explor by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Windows File Explorer never worked right. I use it for everything though, so I should know!

  25. Windows upgrades by unixisc · · Score: 1

    For the first time ever, I've stopped looking forward to a Windows upgrade. Windows 8 would have been fine had they just changed the kernel and the Window logo, and the only thing I looked forward to there was better memory optimization & stability. Windows 10 - I preferred the UI fix, which is far better than Windows 8, particularly w/ ClassicShell. But other than that, I'm done w/ Windows, so they can take as long as HURD on their next upgrade, don't really care.

    The day Windows goes to a subscription model, I'll switch to Apple. Yeah, it'll bite in the wallet, but I'm already somewhat used to iOS, having had an iPhone, iPad & iPod.

    1. Re:Windows upgrades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 8 is perfectly fine if you run Classic Shell.

    2. Re:Windows upgrades by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. The Charms bar remains, and I don't think Classic Shell then had an easy way to disable Metro altogether. Windows 8 would have been fine for some applications like ATMs had they disabled the desktop altogether. 10 is certainly better in having 2 pure environments - either desktop or tablet - but it's fucked up in other ways, such as telemetry, and in its first few months, the way it would automatically force daily updates even if your computer was on standby b'cos an application you were working on was and had to be still open

  26. Microsoft is evil!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Bug Bash"?

    Another proof that Microsoft is evil:
    In Microsoft, they bash those poor bugs
    whereas open source developers fix them.

    See the difference?

  27. How about the basics? Allow spying off to start. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about letting us turn of the spying/telemetry and telling us what's in these updates? Why be so scummy about it?