Microsoft's Last 'Bug Bash' Before Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (betanews.com)

Mark Wilson quotes BetaNews: With the launch of Windows 10 Fall Creators Update Build 16237 to the Fast Ring yesterday, Microsoft wheeled in numerous fixes and new features. At the same time, the company also announced that the second Bug Bash for the next big update to Windows 10 is about to take place. This is the last Bug Bash that will take place before the release of the final version of Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, and it will see an intense period of testing with the help of Windows Insiders. Things kick off on Friday, July 14 and continue for more than a week.

Of course, the whole idea of the insider program is to help Microsoft to home in on bugs and get them fixed before software is released to the masses, but the Bug Bash steps things up a notch. Participants will be asked to take part in quests to check specific elements of the operating system as Microsoft draws closer to pushing out this latest feature update.
This build includes "read out loud" functionality for PDFs, support for emoji 5.0 -- and now when you relaunch Edge after it crashes, your tabs will be restored automatically.

Comments

Doing it wrong.

[Gravis Zero]

If your browser crashes for any reason then the developers have the wrong priorities. (Not just applicable to Microsoft)

Re:Doing it wrong.

[thegarbz]

You are under appreciating what it takes to actually make a modern browser. It doesn't just render content on a website. It accesses hardware, cryptographic APIs for DRM, switches user contexts on the fly, launches are myriad of processes in sandboxed environments.

If you dedicate your efforts to ensure your browser never crashes, maybe you have the wrong priorities and should focus on actually making it feature complete to a modern standard.

Re:Doing it wrong.

[hackwrench]

Mozilla used to have the best policy on this, allowing you to select tabs individually, but they'd still lose tabs every so often.

Re:Ads

[ColdWetDog]

Is it just me or does this read more like an advertorial than a traditional ./ post?

That would be pretty hard to do.

There are never bugs in a Microsoft product.

[mea2214]

To Microsoft fanboys all bugs are either due to a misbehaving third party driver or user error. That's why MS doesn't need QA.

Re:There are never bugs in a Microsoft product.

[Ol Olsoc]

To Microsoft fanboys all bugs are either due to a misbehaving third party driver or user error. That's why MS doesn't need QA.

Microsoft can never fail - only we can fail Microsoft. Meanwhile, I can hardly wait for all the software and hardware that quits working after the New Cremator's Upchuck.

Same as it ever was.

This is serious? Sad.

[chipschap]

"This build includes "read out loud" functionality for PDFs"

Which has already been in 3rd party software for --- how long now?

"support for emoji 5.0"

Now there's a real killer feature that will increase productivity a thousandfold!

"and now when you relaunch Edge after it crashes, your tabs will be restored automatically"

That's awesome! But ... um ... how about fixing Edge so it, you know, doesn't crash? By way of comparison, I can't even remember when Chrome has ever crashed on me.

Re:This is serious? Sad.

[Anonymous Coward]

I can. Or, more accurately, I can remember when other things cratered Chrome for me. Such as buggy display drivers BSODing the entire system. Having Chrome save tabs so it can restore them when the OS crashes is a good thing. Edge should do something similar. (And so should Firefox, which has a similar option that doesn't actually work because it corrupts the file it uses to save them.)

Of course, even if they did fix it, it might not matter - I still haven't been allowed to get the Creators Update yet. They're STILL rolling it out. It's been three months since it was "released" and it's STILL not available for a lot of people! Windows Update has been telling me about how the Creators Update is "coming soon!" since late March.

Re:This is serious? Sad.

[thegarbz]

I'm more interested in them fixing the Surface Type Cover 4 on the Pro 3 bug that they've promised to fix for 15 months now. If they can't keep their most premier product bug free, what hope have they got for their crappy browser?

Re:This is serious? Sad.

[unixisc]

I used to laugh @ emojis, but I realized their value once I got into using Twitter. I often use flags & symbols in place of words to cramp my message within the 140 characters.

Re:This is serious? Sad.

[unixisc]

Precisely. I was on the original Windows 10 Beta program when my laptop had Windows 8: it was so unusable that I downloaded Windows 10 beta and used it. But the continuous automatic updates the first few days made it a pain, although the UI was far better. But this time, I'm not waiting for anything new, and really don't care. All my data is backed up both on OneDrive, as well as on USB sticks. So if Microsoft wants to force upgrades on me, go ahead. I'm just waiting to be able to update my TrueOS, since I've been stuck at a particular version, and haven't felt inclined to order the latest DVD.

Fix Pin Caching

[darkain]

Can Microsoft please PLEASE fucking fix PIN Number caching finally!? Yubikeys are fucking worthless ever since a March Windows Update broke them. It has been a serious pain in the ass on Windows 10 machines to have to RDP into a Win7 machine just to be able to authenticate with servers, Git, and SSH in general. https://forum.yubico.com/viewt...

Re:Fix Pin Caching

[Anonymous Coward]

Why fix it? That was a feature, not a bug.
Easy solution, dump Yubikey. That's how M$ kills those 3rd party software companies which are successful.

No worries

[krkhan]

The undiscovered bugs can always be fixed in the Windows Fall Creator Anniversary Blue Imagine S update. The fuck is wrong with versioning things the old-fashioned way? I can't even recall if Windows Anniversary was 10.1 or 10.2, and I worked on Windows 10 when I was at Microsoft.

Free bug testing for a for-profit company

[innocent_white_lamb]

Why in the world would you want to spend you time doing free bug testing for a for-profit company that doesn't have your best interests in mind anyway?

I would rather put in my time fixing free software; at least I get something for my time there -- a good feeling of having contributed something to a worthwhile cause, not someone else's profit margin.

Re: Assunming they get the Insider release...

[Entropius]

Microsoft probably figures that you spent forty hours actually working and fifty hours watching a circle made out of dots go around and around while Windows wanks.

Will they finally fix it?

[MoarSauce123]

I wonder if Microsoft will finally fix all the massive UI shortcomings in W10. Get a real start menu back so that we do not have to fix it using 3rd party tools. End the split personality of system settings. Give us access to all system settings. Give more feedback now that they eliminated Save buttons. As important is improving the dismal hardware support. I have several not that old devices and cards that do not have any hardware support under Win 10. What am I supposed to do? Throw perfectly good hardware in the trash?

Re:Assunming they get the Insider release...

[hackwrench]

For health reasons haven't been able to update, but it's fun.

Re: Assunming they get the Insider release...

[hackwrench]

Indiana is actually more progressive. Businesses here demand that the minimum wage be increased.

Re:DECADES LATE FIX Long File Paths in File Explor

[hackwrench]

Windows File Explorer never worked right. I use it for everything though, so I should know!

Windows upgrades

[unixisc]

For the first time ever, I've stopped looking forward to a Windows upgrade. Windows 8 would have been fine had they just changed the kernel and the Window logo, and the only thing I looked forward to there was better memory optimization & stability. Windows 10 - I preferred the UI fix, which is far better than Windows 8, particularly w/ ClassicShell. But other than that, I'm done w/ Windows, so they can take as long as HURD on their next upgrade, don't really care.

The day Windows goes to a subscription model, I'll switch to Apple. Yeah, it'll bite in the wallet, but I'm already somewhat used to iOS, having had an iPhone, iPad & iPod.

Re:Windows upgrades

[unixisc]

Actually, no. The Charms bar remains, and I don't think Classic Shell then had an easy way to disable Metro altogether. Windows 8 would have been fine for some applications like ATMs had they disabled the desktop altogether. 10 is certainly better in having 2 pure environments - either desktop or tablet - but it's fucked up in other ways, such as telemetry, and in its first few months, the way it would automatically force daily updates even if your computer was on standby b'cos an application you were working on was and had to be still open

Re:Only LUDDITE have bug bashes.

[unixisc]

Ironically, there are few apps worth writing about in the Windows store itself. One can get good apps in the Apple Store or the Play Store, but hardly any on the Microsoft Store. And some apps, like Messaging, have fallen into disuse.

Re:Fixed Code

[unixisc]

#include what exactly?

Re:What a waste of time

[unixisc]

I'm not a creator, so is there anything worth looking forward to in Creator's edition?