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Kaspersky Lab Says It Has Become Pawn in US-Russia Geopolitical Game (reuters.com)

Russian cyber security firm Kaspersky Lab, reacting to a U.S. government move restricting its activities, said on Wednesday it had fallen victim to U.S.-Russia global sparring while the Kremlin criticized the U.S. action as politically-motivated. From a report: The Trump administration on Tuesday removed the Moscow-based firm from two lists of approved vendors used by government agencies to purchase technology equipment, amid concerns its products could be used by the Kremlin to gain entry into U.S. networks. "By all appearances, Kaspersky Lab happened to be dragged into a geopolitical fight where each side is trying to use the company as a pawn in its game," RIA news agency quoted the company's press service as saying.

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  1. Re:bickering children by dehachel12 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    children with nuclear weapons.

  2. Mongo understand by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mongo have similar experience.

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  3. They should fucking blame Putin then. by Maritz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Kaspersky should realise that their word that they aren't acting on behalf of the Russian government isn't worth shit. Putin is all fucking powerful in Russia and there is no rule of law there. So when they say they aren't at the behest of Russian intelligence, nobody fucking believes them.

    Grow some balls and take back your kleptocracy from Dear Leader Putin and then maybe someone will believe you when you say you aren't a vehicle for Russian government malware.

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    1. Re:They should fucking blame Putin then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cisco should realize that their word that they aren't acting on behalf of the American government isn't worth shit. The NSA is all fucking powerful in America and there is no rule of law there. So when they say they aren't at the behest of American intelligence, nobody fucking believes them.

      Grow some balls and take back your democracy and rule of law and then maybe someone will believe you when you say you aren't a vehicle for American government surveillance.

    2. Re:They should fucking blame Putin then. by chispito · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kaspersky should realise that their word that they aren't acting on behalf of the Russian government isn't worth shit.

      Ditto for Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, and all the other American companies vis-a-vis the US government.

      Or German companies vis-a-vis the German government.

      Or British companies vis-a-vis the British government.

      Or French companies vis-a-vis the French government.

      Welcome to reality.

      The difference is that Russia is uniquely willing both to use malicious hacking as a first option and to apply unconventional pressure on its people. "What's that Eugene, you don't want to backdoor your software for us? Okay, well, we figured there was no harm in asking. By the way, doesn't your mother live near here? I wonder if we should stop by her place for a visit."

      So we know of all these tools the US has had at its disposal, but other than maybe Stuxnet and a few others, it's hard to pinpoint real world fallout from their use. You can't swing a dead cat in this world without hitting a server that "patriotic Russian hackers" have compromised.

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  4. Re:Kremlin critisized... what a joke by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is there any American company that can prove their independence from the U.S. government?

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  5. Re:bickering children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Russia reverted to an illiberal criminal-syndicate state.

    Not something the West has had much luck working with.

  6. Re:bickering children by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hans plays with Lotte, Lotte plays with Jane
    Jane plays with Willi, Willi is happy again
    Suki plays with Leo, Sacha plays with Britt
    Adolf builts a bonfire, Enrico plays with it

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  7. Re: Kremlin critisized... what a joke by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just a few examples:

    1) Both are actively fighting radical Islamic terrorist threats
    2) Both are pretty conservative (in opposition to the ultra-liberal European norm)
    3) Both are very religious and very Christian (in opposition to the increasingly atheist/agnostic European norm)
    4) Both are very patriotic (in opposition to the cynical European norm)
    5) Both are taking a fairly hard-line approach to immigration (as opposed to other European countries who seem to just be throwing their doors open to any middle-aged African claiming to be a sixteen-year-old Syrian refugee)
    6) Both still have an active and functioning space program
    7) Both are very pro-military--in spirit, funding, and practice.

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  8. Re:bickering children by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Cold War should have ended 25 years ago. But we just can't let it go.

    Who is WE you are talking about?

    Since the fall of the Berlin wall and Glasnost in Russia, who has been the aggressor and why?

    The cold war WAS over until the Russians under Putin decided that they'd revive it for geopolitical reasons. Putin is doing all this in order to keep looking powerful and getting elected, but at this point it's all just show. Putin knows that a full frontal conflict with the USA would be a disaster for him, but he certainly is willing to take the risk of starting something he cannot finish in order to stay in power.

    And what's the US's motivation? Generally we just want to engage in profitable trade and keep oil prices low/stable...With a bit of "keeping the terrorists at bay" thrown in of course.

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  9. Re:Kremlin critisized... what a joke by mhollis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you are asking the wrong question. Of course there does not exist a company that is completely free from the laws, regulations and requirements of the country in which it works (and that includes all countries in which they work for the multinationals).

    What you are forgetting in your question is that, in the United States, CEOs are not murdered by the United States government if they oppose the chief executive, as has happened with Russians. You are forgetting that the United States is not an official kleptocracy (yet) where plutocratic friends of Vladimir Putin are free to steal from the country's resources at the expense of the taxpayers and that the government there is absolutely uninterested in transparency. You are forgetting that, in Russia, there are no checks and balances, the Judiciary is not independent of the central government, that the legislature (Duma) does not hold hearings to investigate the President or the Prime Minister and that the current President found a loophole in the country's constitution that allows him to hold onto power for much longer than his country's constitutional intent.

    From this standpoint, a company that is located in the United States is unfettered by the politics of the day, as long as the company produces a valuable product and is a good corporate citizen. When our federal government asked for a "back door" (as a forinstance) into the Apple iPhone, Apple fought it. and, although the issue was declared moot, the government had to come up with a hack that would work on its own.

    Were Apple's headquarters in Moscow or St. Petersburg, there would be no appeal to a court—they would have been forced to comply. And there might have been a sudden, unexplained death of the CEO were there any resistance.

    So, my answer to your question is, yes. Companies are independent from our government here in the United States. They do not exist at the pleasure and tolerance of our Chief Executive as they do in Russia

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  10. Re:Ukraine by Marful · · Score: 4, Informative

    Moscow didn't do anything, and the only reason Russia rolled into Crimea was after Ukraine adapted a law making Ukrainian the sole official language, thereby making life potentially difficult for Russian speaking Ukrainians.

    Didn't do anything? LOL.

    Other than sending troops, weapons and equipment, passing a vote to annex... of course, nothing. Also, you might want to review your understanding of the time line.

  11. Re:bickering children by dunkelfalke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not sure if trolling or just very stupid, but probably the latter.
    The first Chechen war started when Putin was just an aide to a mayor, when islamists rebelled in a province of Russia. But setting that aside, what you are basically saying is that supporting islamist separatists was a good thing because it was about countering the aggression of the government forces (a.k.a "the federals"). If that is the case, why exactly do you condemn Russia supporting separatists in the Ukraine? Do separatists need to be islamists for you to cheer for them? Do you support the islamic state as well?

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