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SoundCloud Has Enough Money To Survive Only 80 Days, Report Claims (techcrunch.com)

Last week, SoundCloud announced it is cutting about 40 percent of its staff and closing two offices. Now, a report from TechCrunch claims "the layoffs only saved the company enough money to have runway 'until Q4' -- which begins in just 80 days." From the report: That seems to conflict with the statement Ljung released alongside the layoffs, which noted that, "With more focus and a need to think about the long term, comes tough decisions." The company never mentioned how short its cash would still last. We reached out to Ljung and SoundCloud for this story and PR responded to the request reiterating Ljung blog post. After being presented with the leaked information from the all-hands, SoundCloud PR admitted that, "We are fully funded into Q4," though it says it's in talks with potential investors. But further funding would require faith in SoundCloud that its own staff lacks. When asked about morale of the remaining team, one employee who asked to remain anonymous told TechCrunch "it's pretty shitty. Pretty somber. I know people who didn't get the axe are actually quitting. The people saved from this are jumping ship. The morale is really low."

57 comments

  1. Bye, Felicia! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We have YouTube.

    1. Re:Bye, Felicia! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      80 days of funding left? Time for a world spanning trip!

    2. Re:Bye, Felicia! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      80 days of hookers and blackjack! On second thought, forget the blackjack.

  2. Deutchelanders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Really?! Falling for the American get rich quick bullshit of Silicon Valley?!

    I put you guys on a pedestal for being sober rational guys and you do this?! I thought Germans were rational industrious peoples - a bit uptight - but alright.

    What next? You're gonna follow some crazy guy who's gonna want to kill millions based upon their religious affiliation?

     

    1. Re:Deutchelanders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the SF area was already pro-Muslim?

    2. Re:Deutchelanders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Germans were rational they'd be routing up the Islamfucks and throwing them in ovens.

    3. Re:Deutchelanders! by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      They're both Swedes though......

    4. Re:Deutchelanders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the brave keyboard warrior who would piss themself and flee if he ever saw an ISIS member in person.

    5. Re:Deutchelanders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the brave keyboard warrior who has never faced me.

      Fuck your child molesting "prophet", IslamTrash.

    6. Re:Deutchelanders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only pro-gay muslims.

    7. Re:Deutchelanders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no! Some pasty, obese nerd insulted a religion that I don't subscribe to. Whatever will I do?!!

    8. Re: Deutchelanders! by sound+vision · · Score: 0

      Let's throw the Christians and Trumpkins in there too.

  3. Fake accounts and SPAM by war4peace · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I posted a couple "tracks" there, some audio captures of PC fan noises for fans that were misbehaving.
    Soon after, I started receiving "likes" from various "accounts".
    Then I started receiving SPAM PMs in soundcloud.

    When a company starts padding their data, you know they're going down.

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    ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
    1. Re:Fake accounts and SPAM by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 2

      Well, one of the local radio stations has a program I try to listen to every Saturday morning ("The Norman Bates Memorial Soundtrack Show") and the DJ on just before plays eclectic electronic music. One of the ones I've caught several times just at the end of her program is a piece that sounds for all the world like a flight of B17s in a WWII movie.

      Maybe someone really likes the PC fan noise sound track?

    2. Re:Fake accounts and SPAM by war4peace · · Score: 4, Informative

      Maybe...
      But when a different person likes your track every 10 days like clockwork... too much of a coincidence.
      Just look at the dates.

      http://imgur.com/Q9cvnAC

      And look at the "people" who liked my track:

      https://soundcloud.com/daphneg...
      https://soundcloud.com/nicolem...

      Same person in profile photos, just different image.

      All those users have a very similar amount of "following" (a bit over 1000) and no other activity except for following and likes.

      They're bots, all right.

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      ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
    3. Re: Fake accounts and SPAM by slazzy · · Score: 1

      You never know, that's how reddit got it's start.

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    4. Re:Fake accounts and SPAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a whole genre dedicated to that type of sound. Its called "drone".

    5. Re:Fake accounts and SPAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is it Daphne, or Glenda?

      https://soundcloud.com/glendalewis-98

    6. Re:Fake accounts and SPAM by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      a piece that sounds for all the world like a flight of B17s in a WWII movie

      "Nightingales and Bombers", Manfred Mann's Earth Band. Excellent song and excellent album.

    7. Re:Fake accounts and SPAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously identical twins...

  4. An MBA can be expensive by Paul+Carver · · Score: 4, Informative

    Before enrolling in an MBA program (or attempting to run a business without any training) try taking the following short quiz:

    Question 1) Revenue should be
    A) Greater than total expenses
    B) Equal to total expenses
    C) Less than total expenses

    If you answered B or C you should probably reconsider your career choice of running a business.

    If you answered A your business may still fail, but at least you've got a chance of success.

    1. Re:An MBA can be expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, the first question you must answer is:

      How exactly am I going to generate enough revenue to keep this business going?

    2. Re:An MBA can be expensive by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Funny

      You don't understand. This is on the Internet! Yeah, we lose money on each transaction, but you fail to realize we'll make it up with volume! Just like we did back in the 2000 dot-bomb era!

      Oh wait...

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      Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
    3. Re:An MBA can be expensive by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How exactly am I going to generate enough hype to keep the VC funding coming in?
      - FTFY

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    4. Re:An MBA can be expensive by sexconker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oooooooooooooooooh! I know! I know! Pick me!!!!

      The answer is apps ! Apps apps apps ! You luddites can suck an egg!

    5. Re:An MBA can be expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're the luddite if you don't day "AI"

    6. Re:An MBA can be expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of creamer's cock eggs? I hope not!

    7. Re:An MBA can be expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misquoted Steve Ballmer.

      DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS

      [ad nauseum]

    8. Re:An MBA can be expensive by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Informative

      See you do not understand business at all. When it comes to creating the illusion of a business that you can sell, revenue is measured against invested capital and invested capital does not include loans because the loan balances out credit and debit (in fanciful accounting). The whole idea is to get investment bankers on side, who will help you to create the illusion of immense profitability in the future, for which they take a huge chunk of profit from selling your on paper super fantastic business. Now you can not sell it all because that looks really bad but you can sell more than enough to make yourself rich. The company then goes bellyup, you then claim your golden parachute, greed knows no bounds and you leave with the proceeds from the IPO and a lot of pension funds for some strange reason make a bad investment and screwed over their pensioners.

      Now that how you make money under modern capitalism. Of course sometimes those illusory companies last long enough to turn their shares basically into junk bonds to buy companies that actually generate an income and buy enough and your company now actually makes money, not the original company of course, just the companies you bought. Under capitalism the one thing to make more money than anything else is bullshit, not always though, sometimes that shit just hits the fan and covers everyone in losses.

      Mostly the investment market is lies, if you are an establishment insider you will make money, if you are not, than you will be ripped off in one way or another.

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      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    9. Re:An MBA can be expensive by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2

      Maybe you should consider doing an MBA. There's almost no business that starts with revenues greater than total expenses. Even traditional brick and mortar stuff like restaurants often run in the red for months or even years, and you need to survive and grow to reach profitability.

      That is not to say that Soundcloud had a... sound idea for monetization, of course.

  5. what is a soundcloud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Should we be concerned about this? Is this a backend for something that people actually use?

    1. Re:what is a soundcloud? by Desler · · Score: 1

      No, it's just some shitty audio hosting website.

    2. Re:what is a soundcloud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is like listening to music on youtube, except the sound is of good quality, there is no video (so it's lighter on CPU and bandwith as well) and there is an automatic endless playlist (this used to be an uncommon or new feature).

      Like youtube, the customers don't pay to listen to the content, and like youtube you don't need to have a user account either.
      So you don't need an app or a phone or money to use it and it's not a music store or a "spotify".
      Makes it all the more mysterious where do they get the money to pay for the bandwith and gigabytes.

      But if this goes under, this will suck as this site is pretty well used and has a ton of stuff. E.g. if you know someone who plays in a local band, or does electronic music (creative or not), and so on, then they likely published stuff in there.

    3. Re:what is a soundcloud? by slazzy · · Score: 1

      Soundcloud was almost really cool, just missed the mark a bit.

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    4. Re: what is a soundcloud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried it out, this is very nice! reminds me of Buddha Bar hustler-trax

    5. Re: what is a soundcloud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgot link https://soundcloud.com/hustler-trax/htmix-006

  6. My tiny violin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me play it for you...

  7. Ob by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    So from a financial POV it's more of an unSoundCloud?

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  8. I'm actually disappointed by ssyladin · · Score: 2

    I am pretty disappointed by this, actually. I really like listening to EDM mixes by a handful of DJs while I work or workout. I'm not much into the whole "social" bit, but its fantastic for an easy way to access quality music on a predictable schedule - weekly or monthly depending on the artist.

    Now I might have to waste some time to find another $10/month service that has what I want. :(

    1. Re:I'm actually disappointed by n0tWorthy · · Score: 1

      Me too. It's the only $10 a month service worth giving money too. Obviously not enough people are giving them the $10 for streaming and music to go (downloadable).

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  9. Soundcloud is the best for independent music by Waveevaw · · Score: 1

    With the technology available today, talented people can cook music up in their basement that rivals and exceeds what is commercially available. Soundcloud puts these people at your fingertips for free. It's got a huge pool of contributors and an interesting if imperfect interface. Even hugely respected artists like Aphex Twin use it to distribute unreleased tracks. For me though, I used the site a lot less once they got rid of groups. I suppose this bit into their revenue model somehow (though I can't think of a way). I can honestly say I would have considered paying for Soundcloud Go+ if they had kept groups, which made searching through new music by genre/location/whatever much easier.

  10. Poor sales process by McLae · · Score: 2
    I actually tries to buy some sound tracks I heard on SOundCloud. Really good sounds.

    The sale process was so bad I never figured out how to complete a purchase.

  11. Sound My Cloud Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or so

  12. Won't last that long by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Tons of artist's tracks are not there. Sure the listing is there, you can go to the song, but the second you hit play all you get is empty air.

    I think they've had some bad hardware failures recently and are unable to restore many artists works.

    Example: Only the songs that successfully play on my account are actually downloadable. The others are missing the link to download entirely (despite all of my works being made publicly available to download.)

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    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  13. 50 Days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fake News, It was 50 days according to Reddit.

  14. not sure what they were thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First there were loads of spambots, then they removed soundcloud groups without providing a credible alternative and completely ignored the distress that caused, and then the number of bots kept increasing. Basically they dug their own grave by completely ignoring all of my feedback for several years :)
    On the other hand, I'm sure it's not easy getting money from a fairly low-ad platform in times where everyone expects major web services to be "free".

  15. It's soundcloud's fault that there are spammers? by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    beyond that,you serioisly think the unpleasant spam accounts are from soundcloud?

  16. 1$ per month by Tim12s · · Score: 1

    They should have just created a method to donate 1$ per month subscription.

    The fact is that if you like sound cloud there is no easy way to donate unless you become a pro user.

  17. so who do you think will buy them? by norweeg · · Score: 2

    My money's on google. They have deep pockets and can integrate it with the close alternative of youtube. Apple is too pretentious to sully their hands and music service with independent music and spotify isn't turning profit with its core business (yet). As far as I'm concerend, Microsoft is completely out of the picture and if they bought Soundcloud, they would just Nokia the brand.

  18. No need to shutdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A company like soundcloud need only maybe 1 office at most and a staff of 5 to function effectively. Sounds like they used their investment funds poorly. I'll can take over if they want! Startups must run lean!

  19. SAVE SoundCloud :/ by captaincity · · Score: 1

    It's really a shame that they have been so far from monetization because for those who use it, it's really a great service. Whether it's listenning to mixes, publishing your sounds or seeking out new music to listen too, the Soundcloud user is a faithful one through and through. I know I would pay for my bandwith if it was super Cheap!! What if it was a paid only service. They would force the users to buy some bitcoins whatever and put them in a SC wallet. And then they can charge ridiculously minute amounts for tha actual bandwith you use. I like this better than the subscription model - A pay to play kinda thing Bottom line, Soundcloud has the potential to free up artists from publishers and stick it to the industry, it just needs a radical way of charging its users -> it just has to be really really cheap ;)

  20. That's true for every company by roman_mir · · Score: 0

    Every company only has X number of days until it has to shutdown, that's especially true if the revenues are smaller than expenses.

    The question is really this: is the business sound enough to survive on its own *ever* or not? A business can be in a tough spot when it is doing a lot of investment and development that *hopefully* brings new revenue in the future. In those situations a business is burning money that it saved or borrowed, the question is: can a business survive at all once it gets through a hurdle like that?

    This question is not addressed in the story.

  21. Re:It's soundcloud's fault that there are spammers by war4peace · · Score: 1

    If they send me a PM on SoundCloud, yeah, that's the spreading vector.

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    ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
  22. Re:It's soundcloud's fault that there are spammers by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    And by "they" you don't mean Soundcloud itself. I hope. And even then, do you punch out your mailman when you get junkmail?

  23. Re:It's soundcloud's fault that there are spammers by war4peace · · Score: 1

    I don't get junk mail. Not since mailman's scars became permanent.

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    ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)