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US Increases Number of H-2B Visas By 15,000 (arstechnica.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the irreparably-harmed dept.

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: President Donald Trump has said he's going to set more limits on the H-1B visa program, which allows tens of thousands of technology workers into the U.S. each year. But yesterday, the Department of Homeland Security moved to expand another type of visa, the H-2B, which allows lower-skilled workers in on a seasonal basis. The Department of Homeland Security said yesterday it is going to allow an additional 15,000 workers to come in under the H-2B visa category, which is typically used by U.S. businesses in industries like tourism, construction, and seafood processing. The program normally allows for 66,000 visas, split between the two halves of the year. That means the DHS increase, announced yesterday, represents an increase of more than 40 percent for the second half of 2017. Businesses can begin applying for the additional visas right away, as long as they attest under penalty of perjury that their business will "suffer irreparable harm" if it can't employ additional H-2B workers in 2017. The expansion is a temporary one, and it only applies to the current year.

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  1. Re:Bamboozled again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And one with small hands and a vienna sausage between his legs.

  2. In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Trump by hondo77 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the article:

    The H-2B visa is used extensively by Trump's own businesses, including his Mar-a-Lago resort in South Florida. During the presidential campaign, Trump explained his use of H-2B visas by saying that "getting help in Palm Beach during the season is almost impossible."

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  3. Re: Good, I'm glad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Me too, I knew Donnie was in it for hard working Americans. He's putting America first by replacing all those pesky jobs no one wants to fill. Now those former hotel staff members can go onto more interesting matters, like working on grand unification, instead of filling those silly positions that someone had to. #maga

  4. Trump businesses by ardmhacha · · Score: 1

    So this would let in the sort of people that work at hotels, casinos and resorts.

    1. Re:Trump businesses by cahuenga · · Score: 2

      And construction, also a Trump enterprise

  5. Rust Belt by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    If Trump were clever, he would allow unlimited H1B's in Rust Belt areas, with protections for local IT workers (assuming he won't support a free market, which is pretty much a given).

    Silicon Valley CEO's don't want to go anywhere but down their mountain to work, but the massive influx of workers into one area is making things miserable for non CxO workers because of the density/demand-driven prices.

    Want to see how badly the VC-fueled ventures really want to consume their H1B workers?

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    1. Re:Rust Belt by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      H1Bs puts a deflationary pressure on the market, while the savings go toward the 1% with the H1B holders wiring money back over seas. This does NOTHING to help the lower and middle class Americans on US soil. The H1B program ought to be scrapped in its entirety unless serious reform is made to the program to prevent the exploitation currently going on with it.

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    2. Re:Rust Belt by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Setting aside the difficulty of giving such preferential treatment to a particular region, it won't really help. The problem isn't actually the contrast between the success of Silicon Valley vs. the implosion of the Rust Belt. The problem is actually more about the success of urban areas vs. the implosion of rural areas. And allowing more H1Bs in rural areas, aside from being difficult to enforce, would be ineffective.

      You can have technology startups in any number of cities, but you aren't likely to see many in rural areas. First, because the infrastructure might not be available to support it. Second, because educated tech workers increasingly want to live in more urban areas. Third, because there's a lot of demand for specialized workers, and a fair amount of turnover, which means you need a high population density, which runs entirely contrary to the idea of a "rural area".

      And that's not even dealing with the question of whether H1Bs are good for American workers.

      You can't just have the government enforce cheap labor in an area and expect that companies are going to flood in. Cheap labor is great, but a lot more goes into running a company than that.

    3. Re:Rust Belt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well H1Bs ABUSE does that. The actual benefit of H1B workers to the U.S. is supposed to be their skills.

      But why are you even talking about H1Bs? The story is about Trump implementing a policy in direct conflict with his base. Surely at some point his base will figure out that they've been conned.

    4. Re:Rust Belt by spongman · · Score: 1

      hooray for protectionism!

    5. Re: Rust Belt by zrobotics · · Score: 2

      Because Cleveland and Detroit are definitely what I would call rural areas

    6. Re:Rust Belt by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      But I would argue that if you employ people, you actually get more out of them than what you pay them, otherwise it makes no sense. I assume taxes are being paid on the products and services the company produces, and income tax is being paid by the H1B, which should be substantial since they are skilled (not saying there aren't any horror stories). Given the H1B will most likely live in a high cost area, he will pay a lot for cost of living, so that goes back into the economy. You may argue that rent and such also goes to the 1% and doesn't benefit middle class, but same can be said for locals. Their rent also goes to the 1% and so does their Wallmart shopping. Yes, they will wire money back to their family back in the motherland, but as someone who has done some shopping in Gilroy Outlet in Santa Clara, I can assure you most customers are Indian or Chinese.

    7. Re:Rust Belt by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      If Trump were clever, he would allow unlimited H1B's in Rust Belt areas, with protections for local IT workers (assuming he won't support a free market, which is pretty much a given).

      Silicon Valley CEO's don't want to go anywhere but down their mountain to work, but the massive influx of workers into one area is making things miserable for non CxO workers because of the density/demand-driven prices.

      Want to see how badly the VC-fueled ventures really want to consume their H1B workers?

      That wouldn't do anything of the sort (not to mention the deflationary effect of excessive H1B usage applied to the entire economy).

      You simply can't pour resources in economically unsustainable locations. Knowledge economies rely on demographic agglomeration. It already happened massively in Japan and it is happening everywhere, including in poor, developing countries.

      America is no exception. It just so happen that its people haven't gotten the memo (even though the phenomenon started in the 80's and was in full swing by the 90's.)

      Read Enrico Moretti's "The New Geography of Jobs". Hell, the phenomenon was predicted way before the 80's. Your urban area needs to have a minimum critical mass (say, 250K people in it) and have key characteristics that attract talent in tech, pharma or finance. Otherwise it is going to struggle.

      This is the sad reality, Rural/Flyover America will continue to depopulate and many towns or even small cities will become ghost towns. People will inevitably go to where the jobs are.

      No amount of MAGA Trumpian bullshit will change that.

      Trump's credit no single fucking president, Dem or Rep, has had an answer to the problem (and I doubt none of them - or the average American citizen - has ever recognized the true nature of the problem.)

    8. Re:Rust Belt by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I work for a tech company that's out in the sticks. It's fine, all we really need in terms of infrastructure is roads and broadband.

      I'd live around here too, but in the UK rural housing is often very expensive because selfish assholes like to have a country home and a city home.

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    9. Re:Rust Belt by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      It is protectionism, and I can with all intellectual honestly DEFEND it! Think about it, the H1B program (in it's current abused form) is a program of indentured servants that exports wealth and opportunity away from most Americans and into the hands of the 1% and relatives overseas in the form of remittance. Did you know that as of 2014, the US was the larges source of outgoing remittance @ 56 BILLION for the year?! In contrast, India was the world largest receiver of remittance at $72 BILLION as of 2015. So net outflow from US to India is just under 11 BILLION for 2015.

      11 billion. Think about it. Rather than have our government print money to cut a check to those unemployed or unemployable, I'd much rather pay of that debt via inflation through protectionism; because at least a substantial amount of those Americans can finally get back into the work force. Meaning, someone that's unemployed is worse for the nation than someone that is employed, but drives the cost up. I know it sound paradoxical, but we need to increase the velocity of wealth via trickle-up or trickle-down; because, right now we have a trickle-out. We're hemorrhaging wealth overseas and into the top 1%. As of now, the lower and middle class are getting fucked from both sides!

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    10. Re:Rust Belt by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I don't know the exact situation, but I suspect that "the sticks" where you're talking about aren't as remote and rural as the parts of the US I have in mind. I'm talking about areas that are larger than the entire UK, without a major city anywhere in them. Like, you couldn't say, "I'd live around there too, but the housing is too expensive." You would *have to* live in a rural area if you worked there, because it might take hours to drive to anything larger than a small town. And the land is pretty cheap because there's basically nothing out there.

    11. Re: Rust Belt by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Well first, Detroit is just fucked in its own special way. Lots of things went wrong there, and it doesn't make sense to extrapolate.

      Second, Detroit does sort of serve to illustrate my point. From what I hear, the downtown area has been improving, and there have been some tech companies setting up shop there. However, things get more bleak as you move outward.

    12. Re:Rust Belt by spongman · · Score: 1

      who cares where that money goes? income tax was already paid.

      would you rather the jobs themselves move overseas? your economics are backwards.

  6. Re:In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Trum by enjar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The H-2B visa is used extensively by Trump's own businesses, including his Mar-a-Lago resort in South Florida. During the presidential campaign, Trump explained his use of H-2B visas by saying that "getting help in Palm Beach during the season is almost impossible."

    "... at the wage and benefit levels we are offering"

  7. Temporary by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Just like the income tax was temporary.

    Face it, this is your new floor.

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    1. Re:Temporary by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      In England it was introduced to pay for the wars against Napoleon.

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    2. Re:Temporary by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Anon's don't have the ability to claim burden of proof. They don't exist. In fact, most people can only see your post if I reply to it.

      Try reading some of Abraham Lincoln's writings sometimes before you spout on about taxes.

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    3. Re: Temporary by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      Abe Lincoln doesn't get to tell us what to do, we don't worship zombies around these parts.

      No Christians here then.

  8. Re: Good, I'm glad by knightghost · · Score: 1, Troll

    500 million asians have been pulled out of poverty - by reducing the living quality of 300 million americans. I don't want to pay that price.
    Europe, Canada, and really every country except the USA put their own citizens first. Why are we the ones that have to sacrifice for everyone else?

  9. I worked at an amusement park through college by scourfish · · Score: 1

    The amusement park went through thousands of hirings and firings. It was labour intensive work, but for a college student with no labor skills, the 80+ hour work weeks were a steady source of summer cash. For work like trash collection, it was difficult getting people, both domestic and foreign, to apply for those jobs. In some of these H2-B cases, these are actually jobs Americans don't want.

    1. Re:I worked at an amusement park through college by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      these are actually jobs Americans don't want.

      See, while you are correct, those are the jobs most Americans are qualified for

    2. Re:I worked at an amusement park through college by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 2

      In some of these H2-B cases, these are actually jobs Americans don't want.

      Then it is up to the employers to make the conditions more attractive to workers. .

    3. Re:I worked at an amusement park through college by sr180 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > For work like trash collection, it was difficult getting people, both domestic and foreign, to apply for those jobs. In some of these H2-B cases, these are actually jobs Americans don't want.

      Because the free market has decided that the pay is too low. H2-B is just to keep wages low.

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    4. Re:I worked at an amusement park through college by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      California cares enough to put those things in its university requriements, but not enough to teach you those things during the 12 years it has your legally mandated attention?

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  10. Re: Good, I'm glad by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    This is putting US citizens first.

    Sorry, did you mean all of them?

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  11. Re:In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Trum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    NOT from the propaganda article
    http://www.lawnandlandscape.co...

    Due to a massive effort from NALP members and others in the H-2B Workforce Coalition, a bipartisan agreement on a bill to fund the federal government through Sept. 30, 2017 contains limited H-2B cap relief. The House and Senate are expected to pass the bill this week and send it to President Trump for his signature before Friday. This agreement essentially ends the chance of a government shut down next week. The bill provides the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Labor, the authority to raise the H-2B cap when he determines there is an economic need. It limits the total number of H-2B workers to that may enter the U.S. during fiscal 2017 to 129,547, the number of new and returning H-2B workers admitted to the U.S. in fiscal 2007.

  12. Skillsets Change by lionchild · · Score: 1

    So, how long before they start classifying Helpdesk and System Admin positions as 'lower-skilled' positions that are eligible for the H-2B? As companies move to make Entry level, or level 1 positions more KB and 'script' based, it doesn't seem like a huge leap for some IT positions to become classified as H-2B level.

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  13. Re:In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Trum by quonset · · Score: 5, Informative

    "getting help in Palm Beach during the season is almost impossible."

    That's not the whole story. Here are the con artist's own words about using H-2B quotas at Mar-a-Lago:

    "It's almost impossible to get help," the Republican presidential candidate told CNN last month. "And part of the reason you can't get American people is they want full time jobs."

    Oh the horror. Americans wanting full-time jobs. But then, being the con artist, you don't suppose he's lying, do you? The next two paragraphs:

    That is news to Tom Veenstra. He is senior director of support services at the Palm Beach County CareerSource office. It's a free service that links qualified job candidates with employers. And during the past two years, the agency has placed more than 50,000 people in jobs in Palm Beach County. Veenstra says he has no doubt he could fill Mar-a-Lago with U.S. workers.

    "We have hundreds of qualified candidates for jobs like these," Veenstra told CNN. "That's what we do here. We help place local residents into jobs like those."

  14. B.S. by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    they'll go where the money is. Meanwhile pissing off rust belt employees is what cost Hilary the election (our demented politics means a few thousand people decide the outcome of presidential elections).

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    1. Re:B.S. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you're right man. In any just system, rural voters should be ignored in favor of what big-city people want. After all, they're not deplorable and representation in government should be determined by moral judgements levied by people who clearly desire the annihilation of your culture.

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    2. Re:B.S. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      That's not what they were claiming, and I think you know that.

  15. Pay more by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    and people will want the jobs. I don't get to import cheap drugs from Canada, do I? Why the hell do they get to import cheap labor?

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  16. Re:Gotta luv the hypocrites on here by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you're talking about the non-Trump voters, you're quite wrong. Personally, I'm laughing about this, because this is going to hurt the Trump voters who wanted protectionism against the immigrants who'd take these unskilled jobs. It's ironic: they stupidly thought Trump would work for their interests and that he was different (despite all evidence to the contrary), and now he's working directly against their interests. I'm curious how the Trump-lovers are going to spin this.

  17. Tell me: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tell me how importing 15,000 more foreign workers in any way shape or form helps "Make America Great Again"???

    1. Re:Tell me: by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

      It makes the population greater (in number) than it was before. You must be new here!

    2. Re:Tell me: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      They're not citizens or will become citizens, they're keeping American citizens from getting jobs and sending the money they earn overseas; your point is invalid. Next?

    3. Re: Tell me: by prefec2 · · Score: 1

      That sounds like Mexicans are stealing jobs, but they do not. US employers do not want to pay high salaries. Therefore, they want cheap labor, which they cannot get in the US, as normal US citizens want to be in played a living wage.

    4. Re:Tell me: by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      It doesn't. It "Makes Trump Richer", which was his entire plan for being president.

  18. Re:In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Trum by twistedcubic · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Competing for [low-end service workers] via wages/benefits would drive our costs through the roof, which would in turn make our services so expensive that nobody could afford them."

    Especially at Mar-a-Lago, which is frequently visited by poor and middle class vacationers.

  19. Re:Good, I'm glad by readin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Free markets are great. One of the benefits is they keep commodity prices low, which is a good thing unless the work you do is a commodity.

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  20. Re: Good, I'm glad by readin · · Score: 1

    How did that get modded Troll. Well said knightghost!

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  21. Re:In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Trum by readin · · Score: 1

    The owners are sure as hell not going to operate at a loss, so, increasing the labor supply is the only way we can keep the show running at all.

    The show is for the benefit of the 1% who can afford to pay higher prices. If they decide they can't, then they'll spend their money somewhere else and that will employ people too. Or maybe if they can't get enough fun for their buck they'll invest the money which will create more efficient industries and help the economy grow.

    This isn't like the minimum wage hikes where people lose their jobs because fewer workers are hired. In this case the fewer workers being hired is caused by fewer workers being available. Wages go up at the expense of the rich Americans rather than at the expense of the very poor Americans.

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  22. Re:Bamboozled again by darthsilun · · Score: 1

    I dunno, I haven't seen it to know for sure, but I'm guessing Vienna sausage is probably exaggerating by at least a factor of 2. I'm guessing more like cocktail weenie.

  23. My solution? by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    You get government benefits, and there is an H2B job available, you take that job or lose your benefits.

    It's the whole "get paid to not work" that makes this kind of BS possible. You wanna watch TV in an apartment instead of watch street traffic from a refrigerator box? Get a fucking job.
    Disabled? I'm sure there is an H2B job somewhere you can take.

    1. Re:My solution? by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You get government benefits, and there is an H2B job available, you take that job or lose your benefits. It's the whole "get paid to not work" that makes this kind of BS possible. You wanna watch TV in an apartment instead of watch street traffic from a refrigerator box? Get a fucking job. Disabled? I'm sure there is an H2B job somewhere you can take.

      That's bullshit. That there are people who exploit loopholes in welfare, that does not imply the majority are. I mean, for fuck's sake, we have families of serving members of the military depending on food stamps to make ends meet.

      The majority of people who depend on some type of welfare are already fucking working. I mean, shit, Walmart has a program for his workers (full time and part time alike) on how to apply for welfare benefits to make ends meet. That should tell you something.

      There are people in the Palm Beach area that would do these H2B jobs. They are simply not being hired. This isn't any different from companies skipping Americans and legal residents over H1B workers for jobs locals could do.

      The only difference is that The Great Orange One is doing it, so that's all fine because somehow 'MURKA NUMMR WUN!

  24. Re: Good, I'm glad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, maybe they should stop clubbing baby seals to death and get a job?

  25. Trump, Populism or a Corporatocracy? by SysEngineer · · Score: 1

    I think this answers the question. When corporation’s profit are put ahead of the people, that is not Populism. With age discrimination, the old engineers are getting replaced with foreign workers. In the 1980s and 1990 manufacturing was shipped overseas, today education has been shipped overseas by importing workers. I have multiple patents, knowledge in technology from VLSI design to machine learning, but working 8 to 6 is difficult for me due to my disability. Companies do not want technology generalist, but code monkeys that know how to do only one thing and pay them cheaply so corporations can make more profits. It is time to localize the fight back and shame the companies locally.

  26. Re: Good, I'm glad by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

    this explains the serious...number of hispanics in front of home depo. there used to be maybe a dozen 7 days a week.

  27. Re:In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Trum by gravewax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    yeah I am sure a couple of bucks ontop of the $2000 a night bill for Trumps golf club visitors would be devastating to their clientele.

  28. Re: Good, I'm glad by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    He is. Mexicans are also Americans. Look on a map. In addition they are low skilled. They cannot take the jobs of the superior race if US Americans.

  29. Trump needs them by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Who else is working for the lowest of the lowest wages at his resorts, hotels, and vineyards?

  30. Re:In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Trum by judoguy · · Score: 2

    "It's almost impossible to get help," the Republican presidential candidate told CNN last month. "And part of the reason you can't get American people is they want full time jobs."

    Oh the horror.

    Here in MN, the resorts are desperately trying to get more of these types of visa workers. These resorts are only open part of the year and can't give anyone full time jobs, American or foreign.

    They actively recruit around the world to try and get workers for a few months. These aren't supposed to be jobs that allow someone to live year round. Often the workers have lodging as part of the deal. Sort of like camp councilors who get paid and work and live in a resort for a few months. Foreign teens and young adults seem to love this arrangement. American youth is often too affluent and/or lazy to do this type of work. There are jobs that aren't supposed to be a career. That's why the so called "living wage" obsession can't be universally applied.

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  31. Re: Good, I'm glad by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

    Why are we the ones that have to sacrifice for everyone else?

    That's exactly how kindergartners and monkeys think. "Waah, he got two bananas and I only got one!" You've got nothing to complain about compared to living in poverty is Asia. And unless you never buy anything manufactured in Asia, you've been paying the price and will continue to every time you buy cheap imported merchandise.

  32. Re: In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Tr by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

    Doesn't fake news about fake news return back to actual news? Oh wait, lies are more complicated than Boolean logic :(((

    The truth is, this is not a boolean logic (or mathematics). What you are looking for is "two wrongs don't make a right."

  33. Re: Good, I'm glad by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    A fun but true Iran related story...

    A girlfriend I had when I was living in the UK was Iranian. She and her family left during the revolution. This is because her father worked as a lawyer for the Shah. So the consequences of remaining were death.

    Her father both attended and hosted parties which the CIA guys also attended. She would also attend and so she knew their faces.

    When the street demonstrations were happening, in the weeks before the revolution, she saw those same CIA faces, dressed as Iranians, leading and organizing the demonstrations.

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  34. Europe not so much by gDLL · · Score: 1

    Europe putting it's citizens first ? No, not really. Unless you come from Africa or Asia.

  35. Re: In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Tr by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    After the election, there was a shit load of Trump voting remorse. Are you saying after 4 years, Trump will have even more supporters? With hardly any delivery on his promises? That's glue sniffing crazy.

  36. Re: Good, I'm glad by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

    So close enough.

    More than once foreigners made a mess and Iranians are still suffering for it.

    And systematic oppression facilitates radicalization.

  37. Re:In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Trum by PJ6 · · Score: 1

    Why isn't this, among Trump supporters, a major scandal?

    He's obviously kicking them (and all of us) right in the face. Not just with this, but in so many other ways as well.

    I just don't get it.

  38. Re: In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Tru by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

    Because their brains don't work right.

  39. Re:In Case You're Wondering How This Benefits Trum by PlaynBass · · Score: 1

    If the business can not operate without screwing their workers, then perhaps it should not be working at all. The economic system is already heavily weighted in favor of capital and slights the input of labor by design. This is the key problem with valuing capital above the value of labor. The problem will only get worse as AI and robotics take over more of the traditionally "thinking" positions of business. Our government has always favored money and property above human needs and values. No wonder our society is heading for a huge crash!

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