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Quantum Particles In Motion Can Still Travel Backwards (phys.org)

Quantum particles have a unique ability to travel in the opposite direction from their momentum. Or, as slew (Slashdot reader #2,918) puts it, "When pushed, quantum particles can fight back." slew writes: Who knew quantum particles were passive aggressive? It's subtle, but researchers "have shown that 'backflow' can always occur, even if a force is acting on the quantum particle while it travels. The backflow effect is the result of wave-particle duality and the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics..."

Dr Daniela Cadamuro, Researcher at the Technical University of Munich, said "The backflow effect in quantum mechanics has been known for quite a while, but it has always been discussed in regards to 'free' quantum particles, i.e., no external forces are acting on the particle."

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  1. Zitterbewegung by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's been known for quite a while longer than the article suggests for relativistic particles. Zitterbewegung (which is German for trembling motion) was first suggested in 1930 by Schrodinger.

    1. Re:Zitterbewegung by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For relativistic quantum mechanics, the interactions are quantized too and you have to integrate over all possible interactions to get the total effect. The Feynman diagrams for these will include a free-particle Dirac term which should contain Zitterbewegung. I'd be amazed if some theorist has not already done and shown this years ago unless it was regarded as too obvious a result to worry about.

  2. How is this remotely news? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Why is this on slashdot? how did it pass the firehose?

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    1. Re:How is this remotely news? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe it's a side effect. You know, to an observer, traveling backwards in space may appear to be traveling forward in space as they travel backward in time. So the more you push against these articles, the more will appear. Moral of the story? Don't feed the time trolls :-)

      Now where's my Tardis?

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    2. Re:How is this remotely news? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Occasionally one comes across an interesting story and/or comments on here, but is increasingly rare as Slashdot circles the drain.

      Back in the beginning, a link to my website got 3,000 clicks in a day

      Ten years ago, a link to my website got 300 clicks in a day.

      Today, a link to my website gets 30 clicks in a day.

      If it wasn't for the trolls keeping me amused, I would have left a long time ago.

  3. Serious psychology by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There's some serious psychology behind some of the slashdot trolls.

    There's the "always make a post and simply contradict" types, there's the "spread fake anecdotes about the poster" types, there's the "talk about the poster behind his back" types(*), and there's the "simply post an insult" types, there's "take the argument to a ridiculous extremes" types, and "associate the argument with racism/homophobia/whatever" types ("that argument is racist!").

    Around the time of election there wasn't a lot of thought put into these responses, it was just a lot of "no it isn't" and "you're a jerk" types of responses.

    Since that time they've become a lot more strategic and well targeted.

    They're using this particular tactic on you because their reading of your personality type indicates that it'll get you angry. They probably tried other types and found them ineffective.

    I don't know for certain what their end goal is, but it's probably to chase you away from the site. If every time you post you get angry, you'll soon associate slashdot with anger and eventually say "why bother?".

    Posting your views - saying you wish they wouldn't do that - only confirms to them that the tactic is working.

    (*) Post as if two other slashdot readers are discussing the poster behind his back, as in "that's just Creimer, no one here likes him". I believe that one is particularly well-crafted, and will cause an emotional response in just about anyone.

    1. Re:Serious psychology by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      There's the "always make a post and simply contradict" types, there's the "spread fake anecdotes about the poster" types, there's the "talk about the poster behind his back" types(*), and there's the "simply post an insult" types, there's "take the argument to a ridiculous extremes" types, and "associate the argument with racism/homophobia/whatever" types ("that argument is racist!").

      I supposedly have 10+ user accounts to argue with myself.

      They're using this particular tactic on you because their reading of your personality type indicates that it'll get you angry.

      I'm not angry. I'm amused by this attention and the traffic it drives to my websites. If the trolls left me alone, I would have been gone months ago. Now that they proven the value of Slashdot, I'm here to stay and make my half-cents.

    2. Re:Serious psychology by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Back before leaking culture, AC used to be a valuable feature. Now five nines of AC posts are people who don't feel like logging in or trolls.

      I guess the analytics shows they don't run adblockers. It's too bad Slash doesn't have cookie-based shadowban based on downmods though.

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    3. Re:Serious psychology by Maritz · · Score: 1

      All I've noticed about this guy is weird fucking anecdotes that have no relation to the conversation, and endless affiliate link spam. Better add that to your list. And the host files guy. Fucking bizarre.

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  4. Poor parenting. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    When pushed, quantum particles can fight back.

    I teach my quantum particles to use their words ...

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  5. Improbability drive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Probably!

  6. Could this explain the EM drive test results by n2hightech · · Score: 1

    If you can have reverse flow with forward momentum seems like a way to explain the impossibility of a force being produced without a change in momentum. If you think about it other conservation laws are not violated in an EM drive. Energy is converted from electromagnetic to kinetic energy. When an electron in an atom absorbs a photon its speed and direction is changed however the electron must interact with something else like its atom to keep momentum constant. However if you allow reverse flow when everything else is positive the effect could cancel the momentum change of the atom. This is way to complex for me however seems there may be a loophole in the law of conservation of momentum.

  7. This is always interesting to read about. by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    It fascinates me, "quantum weirdness." I think it comes from quantum particles oscillating between a thin space and a thick space form. Thin space being space as we think of it, and thick space being what we call particles. When the thin-space collapses back to particle density it can do so at any point in the thin-space form probabilistically. Does the wave express this oscillation between densities? If the thin space collapses back to particle form on the other side of a barrier we would have "quantum tunneling." It thin space form collapses down to particle form behind where it was before, there would be backward motion.

    I'm not qualified to have these thoughts, so be aware of that. Still, it seems simple, and somehow satisfying to contemplate. At least to me. Space as matter, and matter as space. One thing from the big bang. E=Space=MC^2. Energy being a manifestation of a space density change.

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  8. Quantum Mystery Cult? by jandersen · · Score: 1

    I'm not disputing the science of this, but articles like this one are really just pushing the cult of the "Quantum Mystery". QM is difficult to understand intuitively, not because it is a deep mystery, but because it involves a lot of very hard mathematics - functional analysis, Hilbert- and Banach spaces, Lie theory and so on, not to mention measure theory and Lebesgue integrals; and that is before you even attempt to involve relativity in any form. Unfortunately this has led to the rise of a sort of Quantum Priethood, that preach a sort of nonsense quasi religion to people who like to think they get it. It is a real shame, because it taints QM with a whiff of sillyness that probably puts a number of intelligent, young students off, who would have loved the challenge of learning the maths, but are too realistic to want to play at mysteries.