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Samsung Ends Intel's 2-decade-plus Reign in Microchips (ap.org)
Intel has lost its long-held title as the world's top computer chip makerâ"at least by one important yardstick. From an Associated Press report: Intel's more than two decade reign as king of the silicon-based semiconductor ended Thursday when Samsung Electronics surpassed the U.S. manufacturer to become the leading maker of the computer chips that are a 21st century staple much as oil was in the past. Samsung reported record-high profit and sales in its earnings report for the April-June quarter, and while Intel's reported earnings beat forecasts, the U.S. company's entire revenue was smaller than sales from Samsung's chip division. Samsung said its semiconductor business recorded 8 trillion ($7.2 billion) in operating income on revenue of 17.6 trillion won ($15.8 billion) in the quarter. Intel said it earned $2.8 billion on sales of $14.8 billion.
They didn't have any actual fireworks on hand, they just turned on Note 7's and threw them in the air.
Thank you for proving that users logging in here via Facebook are pretty much fucking retarded.
It has a processor, that makes it a computer.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Desktops are not computers .. No matter how many Gen Xers think they are...
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Well, to be absolutely precise, mobile phones contain computers.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
Mainframes are not computers .. No matter how many Boomers think they are...
Basically Intel is losing to ARM. But not just on mobile. They're also in trouble for tablets, and desktops are going to get real close. Bare Feats regularly does comparative synthetic benchmarks between Apple's tablets (ARM) and laptops (Intel). Last time was in June: http://barefeats.com/ipadpro20...
Below, Intel means 3.5GHz Dual-Core i7 processor + Iris Plus Graphics 650 GPU. And ARM means Apple's ARM-based 2.39GHz A10X processor. As you can see, these tablets are getting really close to laptop performance.
Single-Core (highest=fastest):
Intel: 4650
ARM: 3951
Multi-Core (highest=fastest):
Intel: 10261
ARM: 9332
GPU compute score (highest=fastest):
Intel: 26353
ARM: 27814
GFXBench Metal Manhattan (highest=fastest):
Intel: 37 FPS
ARM: 42 FPS
I for one, am really happy. Intel has needed some competition desperately. Now there's AMD, and there's ARM, and we as the consumers are getting more and better options.
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Thank you for proving that users logging in here via Facebook are pretty much fucking retarded.
Except the parent post is from someone logging in via twitter
Sure. It's a computer, but it is a much different breed of computer than desktops and laptops. Which is obviously what the poster meant. Though both you win the hyperbole war.
Back in 2011, an iPad 2 would have made the TOP500 list of supercomputer lists of up to 1994.
I believe the phone cpus are improving faster --in solving linear systems, the TOP500 benchmark--than the desktop CPUs that now power the current list of TOP500.
Microsoft and Intel for the past generation was king of computing, with their dominance in the x86 IBM (Compatible) Personal Computer.
Which had been people primary computing platform. This has been moved to mobile devices for most people primary computing.
Now Intel and what we call the PC isn't going to die, but be used more towards workstation and server jobs. There is plenty of business opportunity and long term growth in these markets. As long as Microsoft and Intel don't try to bring back the good old days of dominance again.
We still need faster computers and operating systems with mouse and keyboards for serious work. But email and web browsing is not longer a primary function, it will be on these workstations, just because people are using it for more important stuff.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Double Retarded then
are just a smidge higher per chip, though.
Reign? More like niagra!
Why UNIX?
The difference engine is not a computer, no matter how much Victorians think it is...
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
In his brain. Those crazy Russians.
phones are not computers .. no matter how many Millennials think they are...
Sure they are. An iPhone 4 could perform 1.6 Gigaflops. A Cray 2 (1985) could perform 1.9. IBM's Deep Blue (1997) was rated at 11.4 GFLOPS. A Samsung S5 was rated at 142. A three year old smartphone is more powerful than a supercomputer from 20 years ago. I'd say that what we call a phone today is more like a computer that you can make calls on. It's certainly nothing like the rotary dial phones I grew up with.
Just because I'm old and can't always relate to Millennials, doesn't make them automatically wrong. I'm pretty sure it's the same in your case as well.
Not my fault /. can't display those icons correctly in my browser (all I see is the telltale blank space) so we get to place some of the retardation blame on /.!
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
/pedant mode on
A central processor, memory, data storage, and at least one external I/O interface (user, network, serial, whatever) combined, will make something a computer. A CPU by itself is just a CPU.
(and yes, a smartphone obviously qualifies as a computer) /pedant mode off
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
"it is a much different breed of computer than desktops and laptops"
How so? My mobile phone runs all the same programs I use on my desktop system. The only real fundamental difference is a touchscreen versus keyboard and mouse input, and that's just truly a difference in peripherals.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
An abacus is not a computer, no matter how many Chinese - oh, wait... nevermind. Shit.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Intel can't beat ARM on cost, and the difference in performance is no longer as significant as it once was. Consumers value mobility more than power now. Cheap smartphone on Google returns search results ranging from $5 to $20.
Except that /. isn't displaying anything. Your browser is. /.
ameyer17 and I can both see the icon just fine. The problem is with your browser, not
There also seems to be some deficiency in your understanding or patterns of thinking since you don't seem to understand which parts of your computer have which different areas of responsibility.
People are not computers, no matter how much Greeks think they are...
beat them to it some time ago.
You have a phone that does texture mapping at HD resolutions, has multi-core 2GHz CPU, supports compute shaders, OpenCL, OpenGL ES, Vulkan, runs Ultra64, Playstation/Playstation2 emulators, has more functionality that a workstation from the 1990's, wi-fi, 3G/4G network connectivity, allows email and web browsing and you say it isn't a computer?
Well, you're also calling in from a 3rd party site and I have to say, you just look like an AOL user to me. I don't really care which site it is.
If he said Faceslave instead of Birdbrains, it is all the same around here.
My Cuisinart is a processor? Is it it a computer too?
What did you think apps were? Video calls to a giant library that holds up the correct 3x5 card depending what button you press?
/pedant mode on
A central processor, memory, data storage, and at least one external I/O interface (user, network, serial, whatever) combined, will make something a computer. A CPU by itself is just a CPU.
(and yes, a smartphone obviously qualifies as a computer) /pedant mode off
You're an awful pedant, sorry.
First of all, the processor doesn't have to be central. That makes it easier to program, but it is not necessary.
Second, you said memory twice. You don't need multiple memory, you don't have to have auxiliary memory at all.
Third, you don't need "one external I/O interface," you in fact need at least one input, and also at least one output. They don't have to be combined, and in fact they rarely are at the hardware level. Also, "I/O" covers anything that is an input or an output; a read-only interface is still an "I/O interface." If you only have "one external I/O interface" then I can simulate the entire system with a single resistor because all you did is convert electricity to heat. It has to either be bi-directional (rare), or you need at least two.
And you only need the memory if it is a digital computer, to store your digits. An analog computer can often leave that out if it is calculating continuously, and memory is only needed if you want temporal isolation. Digital computing of course requires temporal isolation for the values to have consistent meaning.
Every modern digital phone is a computer, no matter how many millenials-in-denial claim otherwise.
Protip: research the age range... if you're older, your immaturity is shining blindingly; if you're younger, you're making humanity's long-term survival prospects look kind of grim.
Protip: logging in via farcebook and posting nonsense outs you as something far more loathsome than a 'millenial'.
Protip: seek professional help.
What exactly did Samsung sell that helped them achieve this? Did they have the bulk of Qualcomm's fab orders? I saw somewhere that flash memory was one driver. While memories - both flash and DRAM do have volumes, they are also commodity priced, so that wouldn't exactly help them in terms of margins. Does Qualcomm's chips have higher margins than Intel's?
Intel might want to consider upping the ante on their Custom business, fabbing things for Qualcomm, Apple & others. They do have process advantages, and could bring key benefits to those chips as a result, like reduced power consumption.
Arduino is a computer?
#DeleteFacebook
They're all basically the same at this point: big-data information aggregators that productize their users. Makes very little difference, unless you're some sort of corporate/celebrity/political interest that co-opts the platform for personal gain.
GI Joe says otherwise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
There is no XUL, only WebExtensions...
The following represents the tears I have shed:
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This got me to thinking...
If you ported the entire BlueGene/L to the phone would it actually outperform the supercomputer, or is there some other factor that would end up being a limiting factor besides the raw FLOPS?
Pretty sure performance/watt would be so far off the scale that it wouldn't be considered the same ballpark, but I wonder about the actual top speed.
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Samsung fabs Apple A#, as well as Qualcomm Snapdragon ARM processors in addition to their own Exynos ARM. ARM processors in general are much less expensive/lower margin than x86.
If Samsung is only making a foundry manufacturing fee on Apple and Snapdragon, how can their "operating income" be larger than Intel? Exynos can't be that profitable.
The microprocessor-based device that sits on your desktop that you've been calling a Personal Computer isn't a computer either. Computers fill huge rooms and are only used for very serious scientific work.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
HT83C51 and 8XC51FC found in microwaves and washing machines is MCS-51 compatible (8051, 8032, etc) and is by the broadest technical definition a computer, even if few would consider an ordinary microwave to be a computer.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Building a gaming desktop today you may put in 125 million more times RAM than in the Atari 2600. Which to be fair could have another 256 bytes on cartridge.
3 TB HDD would be 750 million times the storage of the 4 kB cartridges.
A smartphone is a general purpose computing device just like a PC. The form factor doesn't matter. It's not like computers had keyboards or screens to begin with. Initially the were programmed with toggle switches and lights. Then keyboards and printers. Then keyboards and monitors.
It was, after all, designed as a stripped-down MULTICS that could run on constrained hardware.
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makerawithahatdoublequote? Is that Portuguese?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Well if it has a FLOPS rating I'm guessing my microwave, dishwasher, washing machine, TV, car and well.... pretty much any other part of modern equipment I own is a computer. You might say general purpose computer but then you'd probably argue when or if they've crossed that line. If you don't got root, is it just a very flexible appliance? You probably have to nail down the definition first and when you've done that you'll probably figure out it's changed because language isn't static. I'd wager that 99% of the time if I said "I'll check that on my computer" the reply would be "Don't you have your phone on you?", as in the phone is not recognized as such. Laptop is a type of computer, desktop is a type of computer, workstation is a type of computer, server is a type of computer... phone? Not in ordinary English.
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List of semiconductor fabrication plants::
computer chips that are a 21st century staple much as oil was in the past
21st century societies are still much more able to stand a shortage of chip production than an oil shortage. You can carry on using your last year's mobile, but you cannot use last year's oil.
I can agree that Smartphones blur the lines. But some of us old timers think of a general purpose computer as being an especially good replacement for a typewriter, and a phone is a terrible typewriter.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
"The problem is with your browser, not /."
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Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
NO IT IS NOT. Its much more akin to a dumb terminal than a PC.
Good-bye
I sort of wish we could call smartphones and tablets "personal computers", and PCs as we know them could be re-designated as "workstations". To me, those monikers actually make a lot more sense. There's no real doubt that the "personal computer" for the modern masses is the smartphone, and the PC has been related to the platform where "work gets done".
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
I always welcome more competition...
Still wondering why Intel abandoned Atom though.
I know it wasn't doing particularly well, but sounds weird for them to completely step out of a market.
It's strange to have to point this out, but a smartphone can run programs internally without connecting to a server. It is not at all like a dumb terminal.
Made me remember literature of the 90s trying to differentiate computer from mini computer and micro computer. Fun times.
An iPhone might be a dumb terminal, due to the wondefull walled garden and its implications. An Android phone is more like a computer, and in fact can be used as one.
You are an idiot.
Desktop computers surpassed the performance of mainframes. Mobile phones aren't anywhere close to competing with the desktop.
I'd love to see you code or do artwork on a fucking phone. It is not at all general purpose.
So if an iPhone 4 came out in 1985, it would have been considered a computer. Darn, only 25 years too late...
Did you have a point or something?
Blue Gene/L's performance was measured in hundreds of TFLOPS. Your phone is barely a few GFLOPS at most.
No, it's where the work gets done, hobbies get done, things get created and games get played. PC is correct. It is a personal computer.
Your mobile device is exactly that, a mobile device. It's used solely for non-demanding, casual consumption and lite entertainment.
My phone, is more powerful, and handles multiple tasks better than a PC from 10 years ago.
Cool. That would have been slightly impressive....if it were 2007.
You say those things as if I am supposed to be impressed. My PC was doing all of that shit, better, years before your toy phone. The definition of "computer" changes as time moves on. Your phone might have been a computer if it came out 20 years ago, but it didn't. It's a toy.
You don't use a USB otg cable to run your phone with a keyboard and mouse? Wtf are you even doing with your life?
But will they explode?
Protip: Eat shit and die.
You've succeeded in making Millions of people clean Earwax from their fingertips. Congrats.
I sort of wish we could call smartphones and tablets "personal computers", and PCs as we know them could be re-designated as "workstations". To me, those monikers actually make a lot more sense. There's no real doubt that the "personal computer" for the modern masses is the smartphone, and the PC has been related to the platform where "work gets done".
Kind of like back in the day "Home computers" vs "Personal Computers". Home computers were simpler and more appliance like. This is more similar to the user experience expected of smartphones and tablets. Which is ironic because PCs (in the Laptop / desktop sense) spend most of their time at home, while smartphones and tablets are typically always on the go.
My phone runs Debian Linux. How is that not a computer?
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
Get a note, Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, miracast to a monitor, done.
You want to code, grab a Debian chroot. You want to do art? Use the pen interface, or use the keyboard and mouse with any of the well made art programs.
Your incompetence has no reflection on the general purpose capacity of cell phones
Samsung s8 video chip is 375 gflops by itself
"You don't use a USB otg cable to run your phone with a keyboard and mouse?"
Why would you do that when bluetooth (originally designed for low-bandwidth wireless peripherals) already exists and I just beam a laser keyboard on any surface I have immediately available to me and wear my finger-mounted mouse?
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Of what era? If a phone can perform the same function as a 20 year old computer....
If a phone can perform the same function as a 20 year old computer....
That would be impressive, if the phone is also 20 years old. Anything that comes out now boasting about how it's as powerful as a two decade old PC is just a toy.
Case in point: My Dingoo A-320 has a 333MHz MIPS CPU with 32MB RAM. It's about as powerful as a 20 year old PC, but it's not a PC, it's a handheld game player....a TOY.
Your incompetence has no reflection on the general purpose capacity of cell phones
Quite the confidence for a cocksucker who is trying to claim that people use their smartphones to code on. Show me ONE fucking company where people code on their phones, you stupid little millennial shit.
You talk a lot of shit from behind the safety of your computer. I'd love to meet you so I can kick your ass and teach you respect, boy.
Samsung s8 video chip is 375 gflops by itself
Which means it's worthless for anything that doesn't have to do with video and is still an order of magnitude slower. I'm not sure what kind of point you thought you had, but it's clear you don't have the mental capability to be in this discussion.
Oh and it's a VDP or a GPU, not a "video chip", LOL
Back in the day there was no distinction between "personal computer" and "home computer" whatsoever. They were and are one and the same. Maybe you're thinking of PC vs workstation or PC vs video game console or something.
It makes perfect sense to have a computing device at home that is more powerful than the one you carry with you. That is due to space, cost, heat, energy consumption, etc.