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Bitcoin Splits in Two Amid Feud (cnet.com)
Bitcoin is dividing in two. Disagreements about how to operate the cryptocurrency have led to a new strand called Bitcoin Cash, which is breaking off from the bitcoin system. From a report: Bitcoin Cash launches Tuesday in what is known as a "hard fork" from bitcoin, a virtual currency based on peer-to-peer transactions without any central authority or bank behind it. The new offshoot is a response to the increasing popularity of bitcoin, which is struggling to deal with massive numbers of transactions with its underpinning technology. The main bitcoin currency is adopting a system called Segwit2x that moves transactions out of the current blockchain, while bitcoin Cash will use bigger blocks within the blockchain. Bitcoin holders are set to receive the same amount of bitcoin cash as they have in bitcoin if the exchanges and wallets they use support the new coin, another report added. Exchanges including Kraken and ViaBTC have said they'll support both, while others like Coinbase and Poloniex have said they won't, citing uncertainty that bitcoin cash will have lasting market value.
I must be missing something. I assume everyone involved is working toward strengthening the currency as a whole and not trying to undermine it's success. With that goal in mind it would seem coming to terms over it's future would make a lot more sense than segmenting it's user base.
BTC "wins" because some Chinese mining pools are making money hand over fist from transaction fees. Obviously they don't want that to end. It also "wins" because many people holding BTC don't want the supply to effectively double with a hard fork, as that devalues their "investment".
The ultimate problem with Bitcoin is that it involves multiple parties who are strongly motivated to operate at cross-purposes for their own personal gain. Bitcoin Cash won't be the last hard fork.
Because there's no such thing as "free money"? And when someone promises you "free money" you can be assured it's a fraud?
Current NYC maxes out at 7 transactions per second. Visa, MasterCard, etc do thousands of transactions per second.
One of these are the future and it won't be the one where you max out transactions at a mere 7.
If Amazon accept bitcoin it would only ship .5% of what other payment processing. Simply because of the number of transactions that take place daily.
Can you imagine waiting in line at the grocery store for 20 minutes to get a credit card approved? Bitcoin is measured in hours
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
Anyone with even a bit of a critical mind should realize fairly quickly that Bitcoin can't work in wide use or long term (and the more use, the shorter the life).
Anyone with even a bit of common sense and the ability to read some economic theory should figure out the financial theory behind Bitcoin is crap and won't work.
When bitcoin first came out, I thought that; I still don't want anything to do with Bitcoin, but, I've got to give it my grudging respect. Not only has it lasted a lot longer than I (or most people) thought it would, it's got quite a loyal fanbase, keeps evolving and growing, and is (in general) increasing in value at quite a nice rate.
No, it can't go on increasing in value like that forever, but even if it only goes another 10 years before it pops, it's been a very profitable experiment for many people and lasted longer than an average tech company.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Not really like a split. More like a clone. This doesn't happen in the stock or currency world. Basically you now have two chains that operate on the same history but are now divergent.
I have no idea how the value of this will play out because it will depend on how strong the support is for each. If each gains equal support, I imagine a decline in valuation for both back to "normal". Otherwise you'll have one absorb the transaction space of the other and essentially just eliminate the loser's value overnight, probably. Depending on how long that plays out people are going to be trading on both which means potential volatility.
Popcorn-worthy from my seat.
a 'sub-bitcoin' offering that is backed by bitcoin, but doesn't require a full calculation on each transaction.
Like put all the bitcoin somewhere safe like Fort Knox and issue paper substitutes?
Bitcoin would disappear tomorrow if there was an actually anonymous (Bitcoin isn't even really anonymous) way of sending literally anything of value. This need is most fervently expressed by privacy advocates, but lets be real: a huge amount of bitcoin's actual transactions are sketchy, and at least a decent number are outright criminal.
So many things about Bitcoin should ring alarm bells. The fact that there's huge amounts of the blocks that have been mined and never moved. The fact that it's set up to be almost mined completely out not merely in our lifetimes, but reasonably soon (unlike, for instance, a precious metal- 70% of all possible bitcoins have already been mined). The fact that there's numerous vulnerabilities if enough of the network is under control of a bad actor. The fact that it markets so heavily to principle-driven libertarian types with an anarchist or minarchist mindset. The fact that the bulk of the mining is taking place in China, specifically where electricity is cheap, and is controlled by a few shadowy men. It's a a goddamned parade of red flags.
And yet, there's still a desire to subscribe to suicidegirls without your wife finding out, and there's still a desire to get weed mailed to you or whatever. So it still has value, because it is providing a market need, even though everyone knows in their hearts it is just like, so fake. Just so super doubleduper fake.
But my GPU did math for a while! Certainly this is a worthy of exchange for goods and services!
WHOOOOOOSSSSHHH!
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
Because there's no such thing as "free money"? And when someone promises you "free money" you can be assured it's a fraud?
When bitcoin first popped up, I mined enough bitcoin on my cheap laptop, and later sold it to pay off my house. The "cost" was perhaps a few cents of electricity. So I'd tend to disagree there's no such thing as "free money".
When gold was discovered in California, a few were fortunate enough to just pick up some nuggets off the ground, with very little effort.
Free money does exist, it's just rare and largely is about luck, like winning the lottery.
Bitcoin would disappear tomorrow if there was an actually anonymous (Bitcoin isn't even really anonymous) way of sending literally anything of value.
Monero is (mathmatically) provably anonymous, provided you download the Monero blockchain and run a full Monero node to send funds (and take the usual steps to anonymize your network connection).