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VR Is the Fastest-Growing Skill for Online Freelancers (bloomberg.com)

Workers with skills in virtual reality were the hottest thing on the U.S. job market in the last quarter, even though the technology has yet to break into mainstream use. From a report, shared by a reader: Demand for online freelancers with VR expertise grew far faster than for people with any other skill last quarter. Billings on VR projects grew more than 30-fold from the same period a year earlier, according to U.S. data provided by Upwork Inc's website that connects freelancers with employers. VR has so far struggled to break into the mainstream, with the technology largely confined to high-end video gaming. Facebook, which bought VR headset maker Oculus in 2014 for $2 billion, has already been lowering prices for the Oculus headset and is working on a more consumer-friendly version to be sold next year. Other companies that make VR goggles include Samsung, Google and Sony.

105 comments

  1. look at me I did a gaem in unity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "For example, there are just over 2,500 freelancers on Upwork’s site now who list VR as one of their skills, compared with 106 individuals at this point last year. "

    translated: I can export a UE4 / unity game with the vr flag enabled. Also I put a RPG maker game I did once with naked japanese cartoon ladies on steam and so I am a published game maker.

    1. Re:look at me I did a gaem in unity by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      That has nothing to do with actual demand.

      To be sure, the market for many of these kinds of workers is still small, growing from a pool that was basically nonexistent just a year ago. For example, there are just over 2,500 freelancers on Upwork’s site now who list VR as one of their skills, compared with 106 individuals at this point last year.

      What counts is how many of them are actually working at any time. Basically, the stat says that there are 2,500 unemployed freelancers who list VR skills, because if they had full-time vr jobs, they wouldn't be looking for (and their employment contract wouldn't allow) freelance work.

      So basically this is an ad for a jobs board.

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    2. Re:look at me I did a gaem in unity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VR is the modern light gun. No one wants or needs this shit.

    3. Re: look at me I did a gaem in unity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mock. But, I'm a newbie to gaming and I'm going to try that now. Your comment was actually helpful to me. Sincere thanks.

    4. Re:look at me I did a gaem in unity by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      And here I was assuming they were counting the time spent *playing* VR games...

    5. Re:look at me I did a gaem in unity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought steam didn't have r18 stuff?

  2. Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You need five years of VR experience before applying for a job. Never mind that decent VR headsets recently came out in the last few years.

    1. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, they " recently came out in the last few years"?? Did you forget to cram in a "for which" while you were at it?

    2. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to say I have a compsci BSc. with specialisation in Virtual Reality, gained 2001. Of course whether that's going to help or not is a different matter :)

    3. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Just to say I have a compsci BSc. with specialisation in Virtual Reality, gained 2001.

      As a professional video game tester from 1998 to 2004, I probably have more "real world" experience with virtual worlds than you have. I've played all the major FPS games that came out during that time and worked on Duke Nukem: Land of The Babes (PlayStation) and Unreal Tournament (Dreamcast/PC).

    4. Re:Remember kids... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      That's just the false job ad they're required to put up, to prove that no US candidate is available, before recruiting an H1B to do the job for cut rate.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    5. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need five years of VR experience before applying for a job. Never mind that decent VR headsets recently came out in the last few years.

      Ah, the smug rant of the incompetent, perpetually passed-over failure. "Nobody will hire me because the job requirements are ridiculous."

      Here's a brain-buster for you, Creimer: I've NEVER satisfied all of the listed "hard requirements" for a job I've held. In every interview I've had, I've gone, and been forthright about what I know and what I don't, and also impressed the interviewers with examples and demonstrations of my ability to learn quickly, communicate clearly, think creatively, and blend into an existing team as a likable colleague, while bringing valuable skills and attitudes to augment the team.

      I guess that's why I'm making nearly $200k per year now, while you're still struggling to crack $60k in one of places in the world with the highest cost of living. You read a job description with requirements you don't satisfy, and you slump your way back to your shitty, unchallenging desktop support dispatch job because "oh they'd never hire me." I read a job description with requirements I don't satisfy, and say "Well, I fit about 60% of that, and it sounds like an interesting job with good learning opportunities - why not apply?"

      Career advice to anybody looking at creimer's example: He's not the one to emulate. If you wait for somebody else to tell you "you're ready" for a job, you will spend your career stuck in a dead-end and die a failure. If you want to succeed, read the "hard requirements" in that job listing as the employer's wish list, get your interview scheduled, and figure out how to emphasize your strong points when you talk to them.

    6. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Playing a game" doesn't build "VR experience" any more than masturbating into a crusty sock builds "sexual experience."

      By your argument, every one of us who's ever played WoW or any FPS, should be awarded honorary doctorates in VR because we have so much "experience" with virtual worlds.

      BTW - wash your fucking jizz sock, Chris. It's starting to stink up the entire building.

    7. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Ah, the smug rant of the incompetent, perpetually passed-over failure. "Nobody will hire me because the job requirements are ridiculous."

      WOOOSH!

    8. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      By your argument, every one of us who's ever played WoW or any FPS, should be awarded honorary doctorates in VR because we have so much "experience" with virtual worlds.

      If you're interested in virtual world technology from the 1990's, I suggest reading "Masters of Doom: How Two Guys Created an Empire and Transformed Pop Culture" by David Kushner.

    9. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where was the joke that I missed? You've made variations on this comment repeatedly here on Slashdot, and you're not joking now any more than you were joking then.

      You can try to retcon it into a joke, but you're obviously hacked off about your lack of employability, and seeking to blame it on others. The fault lies squarely (or should I say, ROUNDLY) on you, Creimer.

      Everything I said still applies, and double now that you've tried to play it off as "just a joke."

    10. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Everything I said still applies, and double now that you've tried to play it off as "just a joke."

      Everything you wrote is bullshit. That's the joke.

    11. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, we can all skip lining your pockets and encouraging your shitty behavior, and buy it from Amazon without using affiliate link:

      https://www.amazon.com/Masters...

      Or, for the more enterprising among us, you can search Google for "masters of doom pdf" and download a free copy of the book. But I wouldn't recommend that, since I think the author should be paid fairly for his work - I just want Creimer to not get any money for it.

    12. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      Or, we can all skip lining your pockets and encouraging your shitty behavior, and buy it from Amazon without using affiliate link:

      Or you can attention to my link and increase the click through rate by three times.

    13. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything you wrote is bullshit. That's the joke.

      So there was no joke. And your "WOOSH" was nonsensical idiocy designed to distract from the fact that my point made you feel bad about yourself.

      Got it.

      Mmm... 15 mod points today, too! Can't wait to spend 'em!

    14. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's more Trumpian firehose of bullshit from the author of a "book" called Unemployable .... about his unemployable fat ass.

      https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/732251

      https://ouaa.cdreimer.com/2009/06/05/are-you-funemployed/

      Chris, seek medical attention, that tiny brain of yours spins around so fast it might drill its way out of that thick skull of yours!

    15. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can attention to my link

      With grammar like this, you're a fine one to bitch in the HDTV comments about OTA HD channels being "not in English."

      At least someone for whom English is a second language has an excuse. Yours appears to be, "I'm a dumb mong who can't write in my own primary language," which is a pathetic excuse, really.

    16. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Yours appears to be, "I'm a dumb mong who can't write in my own primary language," which is a pathetic excuse, really.

      Your insult is a pathetic. What are, 14? Oh, wait. Never mind.

    17. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      So there was no joke. And your "WOOSH" was nonsensical idiocy designed to distract from the fact that my point made you feel bad about yourself.

      ROFL

      Mmm... 15 mod points today, too! Can't wait to spend 'em!

      So what? My karma has been excellent for years.

    18. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's more Trumpian firehose of bullshit from the author of a "book" called Unemployable .... about his unemployable fat ass.

      "Unemployable: Haiku & Other Poems" is available for pre-order at Apple iBooks, Kobo and Barnes & Noble's Nook. Publication date is 10/1/2017 and will be available at other retailers.

      Chris, seek medical attention, that tiny brain of yours spins around so fast it might drill its way out of that thick skull of yours!

      Thank you for promoting my links!

    19. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Your insult is a pathetic. What are, 14?"

      When creimer gets angry, or cornered by his own illogic, the blood drains out of his neuron and into his fists. He pounds the keyboard so hard entire words go missing!

      All three of his chins pour sweat down his corset in anger!

      That's how we know we won, creimer. You're as predictable and transparent as a child.

      "Oh, wait. Never mind."

      Oh, wait for which, askance, 14? Now go have a good cry in your lonely office that reeks of Old Spice and failure.

    20. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      That's how we know we won, creimer.

      That's funny. You haven't prevented me from posting on Slashdot. You haven't prevented me from making money on Slashdot. You haven't prevented me from submitting stories under my alias on Slashdot.

    21. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you actually have the resources that 200k a year affords, why are you ranting about some affiliate link spammer on the internet? Who is the bigger loser: a semi-broke guy spamming for extra cash OR a guy with the wherewithal to do whatever he wants who is obsessed with the behavior of people he sees as lesser than himself?

    22. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you're a real "winner", Chris.

      You could almost double your salary:

      http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-cybersecurity-jobs-20170419-story.html

      and you wouldn't have to spend hours for a few dollars on here. But no, your vanity and narcissism force you to persist in your delusions...

      No no, keep on truckin', champ. You're clearly a winner.

      PS: Your actual name isn't an "alias". Is there any chromosome you only have two copies of?

    23. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Yes, you're a real "winner", Chris.

      It's called having confidence in yourself. I've been beaten down so many times in life that I have nowhere to go but up. This daily shit storm on Slashdot is nothing. After I'm done commenting for the day, you and your fellow trolls will continue to comment, make up shit and give each other butt pats. Why? Because you have nothing better to do with your life.

    24. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After you're done you will take the bus back to your one room studio filled with Japanimation, while we will drive our nice cars back to our houses with wives and kids. Your life resembles where we were at 22 or so.

      We comment on Slashdot to pass spare time, while you do it as a business, only the business earns you about $2/day and mostly involves being insulted.

    25. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After I'm done commenting for the day, you and your fellow trolls will continue to comment, make up shit and give each other butt pats. Why? Because you have nothing better to do with your life.

      Is that before or after you clock out from the full time gig where you're basically defrauding your employer by drawing a paycheck while you cruise Slashdot all day?

      No wonder you were "unemployable" - people probably started noticing the places you spent all your time on the internet, and realized that you weren't getting a bit of work done.

      As for why I'll continue to comment - I do it while waiting for my rspec unit & acceptance tests to run, and also while waiting for vagrant & puppet to provision a host locally for whichever application I'm currently working on automating the deployment of. This leaves me with a couple stretches of 15-20 minutes through the day that I'm left waiting for my test results. This can be used for coffee breaks, browsing the news, or coming here to Slashdot, where occasionally I'll run across one of your idiotic posts and respond because it amuses me to.

      At 6:30 pm, I leave work (in my home office), and go join my wife and children for dinner and an evening of exercise, family activities, and fun. Tonight, we're probably going to spend an hour or two out by the pool, while I alternate between grilling dinner and splashing around with the kids. After they go to bed, my wife and I will probably watch the latest Game of Thrones, then retire to bed for a little adult entertainment. I'll fall asleep happy, contented, and absolutely unmindful of your sad existence, which suits me fine.

      But if it makes you feel better, you can keep telling yourself that I'll be burning lean tissue for hours this evening trying to make up shit about you. When I close the tab I've got Slashdot open in, all thoughts of you go with it, champ.

    26. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that's why I'm making nearly $200k per year now

      I doubt that.

      you will spend your career stuck in a dead-end and die a failure.

      Christ, you are an insufferable shit-bird.

    27. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      After you're done you will take the bus back to your one room studio filled with Japanimation, while we will drive our nice cars back to our houses with wives and kids.

      This isn't the 1950's. Not everyone is going to live the same cookie cutter lifestyle. If you haven't noticed, society is changing.

      We comment on Slashdot to pass spare time [...]

      Which is what I do as well, mostly at work in between tasks.

      [...] while you do it as a business, only the business earns you about $2/day [...]

      One revenue stream does not make a business.

      [...] and mostly involves being insulted.

      Stop insulting me.

    28. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      No wonder you were "unemployable" - people probably started noticing the places you spent all your time on the internet, and realized that you weren't getting a bit of work done.

      While responding to another comment and then reading your comment, my supervisor was poking and prodding a workstation that I needed help on and I provided diagnostic information in IM when she requests it. It's called multitasking.

      As for why I'll continue to comment - I do it while waiting for my rspec unit & acceptance tests to run, and also while waiting for vagrant & puppet to provision a host locally for whichever application I'm currently working on automating the deployment of. This leaves me with a couple stretches of 15-20 minutes through the day that I'm left waiting for my test results. This can be used for coffee breaks, browsing the news, or coming here to Slashdot, where occasionally I'll run across one of your idiotic posts and respond because it amuses me to.

      I'm impressed that you know how to multitask.

    29. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you actually have the resources that 200k a year affords, why are you ranting about some affiliate link spammer on the internet?

      Because it amuses me to correct your obvious idiocy, creimer.

      Is there some rule that says "people who make 200k a year can't post on Slashdot" that nobody told me about?

      Who is the bigger loser: a semi-broke guy spamming for extra cash OR a guy with the wherewithal to do whatever he wants who is obsessed with the behavior of people he sees as lesser than himself?

      The semi-broke guy spamming for extra cash, naturally. You see, I can (and do) walk away from Slashdot any time I want, and enjoy my life. You can't do that, creimer, because if you do, you can't even afford a fucking cup of coffee. You're stuck in this vicious cycle of being a punching bag, and you're too goddamned stupid to realize that you're being paid sub-minimum wage to have abuse heaped on you online. You'd be better off getting a part time second job for minimum wage at McDonald's, but you're too askance to do the math and realize that.

    30. Re:Remember kids... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Because it amuses me to correct your obvious idiocy, creimer.

      Are you replying to me or the AC who posted the comment? If you're replying to me, you're replying to the wrong comment.

      You see, I can (and do) walk away from Slashdot any time I want, and enjoy my life.

      If you bother to look at my comment history over the weekend, you will notice that I was largely absent from Slashdot. I was too busy enjoying my life.

      You can't do that, creimer, because if you do, you can't even afford a fucking cup of coffee.

      I buy a large skinny vanilla latte when I'm at my day job that pays the bills. That's $3.65 per day for five days a week. The coffee is paid for by my paycheck from the day job that pays the bills. What part of "day job that pays the bills" don't you understand?

      You're stuck in this vicious cycle of being a punching bag, and you're too goddamned stupid to realize that you're being paid sub-minimum wage to have abuse heaped on you online.

      Slashdot is one revenue stream among many. Most of my revenue streams don't require my direct attention and I still get paid if pay zero attention to them.

      You'd be better off getting a part time second job for minimum wage at McDonald's, but you're too askance to do the math and realize that.

      I should take a minimum wage job that pays less than what I make as an entrepreneur from my side business? That's stupid.

      Then again, that you're replying to the wrong comment indicates that you're pretty stupid.

    31. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sound bitter, lollipop

    32. Re:Remember kids... by ls671 · · Score: 1

      A guy got fired because he was running Seti@home on the company server park. It was multitasking alright, all computers could still do their work but just a little slower since Seti runs nice. Still, Seti would eat up some resources.

      How is this different than what you are doing? Do you deserve to be fired for eating resources?

      --
      Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
    33. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's called having confidence in yourself."

      There's a fine line between that and full-blown mental illness, Chris. And usually, confident people don't feel the need to scream 15 times a day how successful they are. One wonders why you do.

      " give each other butt pats"

      Virgin, dreams about butt pats and 14 year old wankers. Anything you want to ... reveal to us, Chris?

      "I've been beaten down so many times in life "

      Mostly self-inflicted. Your vanity, narcissism, delusions, thin skin, and Cthulhu knows how many other personality disorders are your real enemies.

    34. Re:Remember kids... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I still have Duke Nukem Theme by Megadeath on my playlist, I've been listening to it regularly for 17 years so I have way more VR experience than you.

    35. Re:Remember kids... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I finally figured out who you are. You're Angry Computer Guy, trying the rest of your life to get somebody else as angry as you are.

      Thanks for all the good times, I've been laughing at your dumb ass since I first saw you on the local BBS in the 90s.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    36. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "After I'm done commenting for the day, you and your fellow trolls will continue to comment,"

      Which is why the first thing you will do on the bus Thursday morning is check all the comments and reply with your fat thumbs mashing on your iPhone.

      Your narcissism and vanity compel you.

    37. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Not everyone is going to live the same cookie cutter lifestyle."

      No, some brave souls are experimenting with the chronic obesity and virginity lifestyle.

      "Stop insulting me."

      Stop weighing 350 pounds.

    38. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not creimer. Can't you tell the difference from one person's writing style to the next? It seems pretty obvious to me, almost as obvious as people's voices; but I am not a self-important nerd who considers their narrow technical achievements to be the pinnacle of reasoning and a place from which to dole out criticism.

      Because it amuses me to correct your obvious idiocy, creimer.

      So you admit that, despite having the resources to do what a tiny fraction of the world's populace could afford, it actually amuses you to stalk and harass a person for no other reason than them spamming obnoxious affiliate links? You basically engage in the same sort of actions typically reserved for middle-schoolers and people with no other options in life. This has nothing to do with "[a] rule that says...", but rather a criticism of the hypocrisy of calling someone a loser when your behavior is demonstrably more onerous. If your only defense is that "you can (and do) walk away", how are we to know this when you post just as much as creimer? You are just a dumbass who probably feels inadequate that no one gives you respect in real life. We know this is true because you work with computers, and 99% of the world is going to figure you are some kind of autist no matter how much money you make.

    39. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taking public transportation to live in small cheap flat by yourself isn't a "modern" lifestyle. People have been wage slaves for hundreds of years.

      And having a close relationship with loved ones isn't a relic of the 1950s, it's a basic biological drive.

    40. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " It seems pretty obvious to me, "

      "I am not a self-important nerd who considers their narrow technical achievements to be the pinnacle of reasoning"

      creimerian logic detected.

    41. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's angry? I'm having a great time, and so is Chris! Go look, he said many times he's laughing along with us!

    42. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sound original and creative, spergman

    43. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "you are an insufferable shit-bird."

      I know creimer is, but what am I???

      LOL I love it!

    44. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't the 1950's. Not everyone is going to live the same cookie cutter lifestyle. If you haven't noticed, society is changing.

      No, you're just going to eat all the cookies.

    45. Re:Remember kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you replying to me or the AC who posted the comment? If you're replying to me, you're replying to the wrong comment.

      No, I'm responding to your AC comment - it's painfully obvious that you posted that "defense" of yourself.

      If you bother to look at my comment history over the weekend, you will notice that I was largely absent from Slashdot. I was too busy enjoying my life.

      Pumping iron, Creimer? Smashing some puss? Living dangerously and drinking a FAT vanilla latte? I suspect that your itinerary for the weekend would make most of us tear up in abject sympathy.

      I buy a large skinny vanilla latte when I'm at my day job that pays the bills. That's $3.65 per day for five days a week. The coffee is paid for by my paycheck from the day job that pays the bills. What part of "day job that pays the bills" don't you understand?

      What don't I understand? Well, let's see:
      1) Why you'd spend 2% of your pre-tax income on your daily dose of sugar and fat in a cup, when most offices have free coffee for employees.
      2) Why you claim that your day job "pays the bills," when the only way it can cover your bills is to live an ascetic lifestyle where you can afford nothing, and live as a wage slave.
      3) Why you're responding to my post, despite claiming not to be the AC I responded to.
      4) How low-level you must be that nobody has noticed you spend hours every day browsing the internet, rather than working.

      Slashdot is one revenue stream among many. Most of my revenue streams don't require my direct attention and I still get paid if pay zero attention to them.

      You mean your ebooks and ads on your poorly written site? Yeah, I bet that's really raking in the fuck-you money, creimer.

      I should take a minimum wage job that pays less than what I make as an entrepreneur from my side business?

      It demonstrably pays more. You made $30 from Amazon in a single day, and you're sitting there behaving as if you *average* $30 a day. By your own claims, you spend tens of hours a week on your "side businesses" - for what yearly income? A few thousand extra dollars in your pocket? If you take the hours you spend on your "side business," and the total money you make in income from that side business, I'd be SHOCKED if the hourly rate was anything above $5 an hour. I'd eat your sweaty gym shorts if the hourly rate was anything above $12 an hour.

      Then again, that you're replying to the wrong comment indicates that you're pretty stupid.

      Then again, here you are replying to my comment, which indicates that your claims of not posting as an AC are pretty much bullshit.

      Checkmate, creimer.

  3. "More than 30-fold" means nothing by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Of course, anything that starts from almost zero can experience what looks like a huge growth in terms of percentages, but in actual numbers still be insignificant. Same as VR is still insignificant. Sae as 3d TV is still insignificant.

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    1. Re:"More than 30-fold" means nothing by avandesande · · Score: 1

      At one point there was infinite growth, when the first job was created.

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    2. Re:"More than 30-fold" means nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Jobs in VRML probably increased 1000-fold in 1995-1996, but that doesn't mean it was a worthwhile field to get into, and it didn't last more than a couple years at most.

  4. Who's laughing now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I KNEW learning all of that VRML would pay off!

    1. Re:Who's laughing now? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I haven't heard anything about VRML in years. The last time was when I did my six-month internship for WorldsAway at Fujitsu in 1997. I still have my copy of "Avatars: Exploring and Building Virtual Worlds on the Internet" by Bruce Damer that I picked up from a virtual world fair at SFSU.

  5. The Motivation Behind These New-Found Skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You know, like numchuku skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills!"

    1. Re:The Motivation Behind These New-Found Skills by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      "You know, like numchuku skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills!"

      "Girls" should be in quotes. Blow-up dolls don't really count.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  6. literally raised by wolves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking of fat smelly hippies, Jaron Lanier still hasn't masteredthe holophonor.

  7. Market will go nuts after Ready Player One is out by sasparillascott · · Score: 1

    The money being thrown at this technology (and jobs) will go crazy after the Spielberg movie Ready Player One comes out early next year....whether totally unjustified, its going to be a match to gasoline. JMHO...

  8. VR games suffer from two problems by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First, the equipment costs about as much as a cheap gaming computer and you need it ON TOP of a cutting edge gaming computer. In other words, if you don't have a computer to plug your VR kit into, 2500-3000 is the price tag you're looking at. If you do have a top notch gaming rig, it's still another 500-800 bucks.

    And there is very, very little support from AAA studios (read: ZERO). This in turn means that there are very, very few high quality games available for VR and an unimaginably huge mountain of gimmicky Flashgame knock-offs that some Indie Dev slapped together. They're not really bad per se, but it means that certain genres are overrepresented to the extreme. In other words, what idle-clicker games are to mobiles and zombie shooters are to PC gaming, tower defense is to VR.

    There is also very, very little experience what works and what doesn't work in VR. And even less experience with what can only be done sensibly in VR. So far most games mimic what has been done on computer and console gaming for years, and usually they rely on the "shiny" effect of the new, because the games are by no means as polished, user friendly and graphically impressive as their Non-VR computer/console counterparts.

    The studios that dared to venture into VR usually treat it as an afterthought rather than a focus, adapting their old games to VR to give them a sales boost, especially on the PS4 with the various racing games that try to gain a new following with the added VR gimmick.

    Is it really the "fastest growing skill"? Or, as I'd read it, the highest in-demand skill? I can only say I wish it weren't. At least not yet. AAA studios are not buying into it yet and will probably treat it rather as a quick-buck deal rather than something they want to jump onto and ride as the new platform now that PC and console gaming has pretty much gone stale, with endless streams of essentially identical games being pumped out left and right. There simply is no "VR genre" born yet, we don't know yet what games do and which don't work on VR. There is simply not enough data available so far.

    Jumping onto it now will probably lead to VR failing miserably, because the ROI simply isn't there yet for AAA titles (the market size just isn't big enough yet, and the willingness to spend upwards of 100 bucks for a game certainly is not there, not even with people who paid 800 for the VR kit) and large studios tend to shy away from venues that burned them. Even if later it could prove promising.

    On the other hand, with VR being basically the playground of mediocre Indie-Games, with the once-in-a-blue-moon gem surfacing, there isn't much incentive to buy the hardware either. Let's be honest, why buy a 800 bucks VR kit so I can play a point-and-click get-out-of-the-room Flash game, with the "awesome new" gimmick of being IN the room instead of seeing it on the screen?

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    1. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there is very, very little support from AAA studios (read: ZERO). This in turn means that there are very, very few high quality games available for VR and an unimaginably huge mountain of gimmicky Flashgame knock-offs that some Indie Dev slapped together. They're not really bad per se, but it means that certain genres are overrepresented to the extreme. In other words, what idle-clicker games are to mobiles and zombie shooters are to PC gaming, tower defense is to VR.

      And from what I've seen in Let's Play videos most of the games rely entirely on the glitz of "OMG VR" and have zero replayability.

    2. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      And there is very, very little support from AAA studios (read: ZERO). This in turn means that there are very, very few high quality games available for VR and an unimaginably huge mountain of gimmicky Flashgame knock-offs that some Indie Dev slapped together. They're not really bad per se, but it means that certain genres are overrepresented to the extreme. In other words, what idle-clicker games are to mobiles and zombie shooters are to PC gaming, tower defense is to VR.

      Your whole reply is limited to VR in games. I work in heavy industry applications and having access to VR based simulations/walk throughs would be fantastic for what I do.

      VR is a tool and not just limited to playing games.

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    3. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by ck_808 · · Score: 2

      The price has dropped quite a bit.

      $1,318.45 for PC + oculus + touch controllers -
      https://www.amazon.com/A80CJ-D...

      The oculus headset and touch package is currently $399 on the summer of rift sale - https://www.oculus.com/blog/ri...

      The problem with content is being addressed -
      Current higher budget games e.g.
      Robo Recall - https://youtu.be/shiKcsjZnH0
      Lone Echo - https://youtu.be/2pmV2mwAV9k
      The Mages Tale - https://youtu.be/MKIr9-zrkI8

      Upcoming examples -
      Arktika.1 - https://youtu.be/KLkvbAFIOJc
      Killing Floor: Incursion - https://youtu.be/i3SinWPbXnw
      MARVEL Powers United VR - https://youtu.be/qcUbC1aQpeY

      To help fund developers the following steps are being taken.

      Facebook has spent $250 million on VR content last year and will spend another $250 million this year (Source : https://www.roadtovr.com/faceb... )

      Oculus will pay Unreal Engine royalty fees for titles on their store.
      https://www.vrfocus.com/2016/1...

      There are quite a few mediocre titles out there, however you could say that about most platforms/ formats.

    4. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rift plus touch is 400 bucks now. And can be used on a 700 bucks prebuilt PC

    5. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there is very, very little support from AAA studios (read: ZERO). This in turn means that there are very, very few high quality games available for VR and an unimaginably huge mountain of gimmicky Flashgame knock-offs that some Indie Dev slapped together. They're not really bad per se, but it means that certain genres are overrepresented to the extreme. In other words, what idle-clicker games are to mobiles and zombie shooters are to PC gaming, tower defense is to VR.

      From my perspective games are supposed to be fun to play. I've never had more fun playing computer games than in VR. Between Elite and Rec Room I feel sorry for people still wasting their time on "flat games".

      If people don't want to spend time developing games for VR it's their loss. VR isn't going away and it's not like massive changes to workflow are required to produce VR content.

      First, the equipment costs about as much as a cheap gaming computer and you need it ON TOP of a cutting edge gaming computer. In other words, if you don't have a computer to plug your VR kit into, 2500-3000 is the price tag you're looking at. If you do have a top notch gaming rig, it's still another 500-800 bucks.

      Building a usable VR capable computer today costs $1k and VR is the price of a medium range gaming monitor. Cost is always a barrier to entry yet nothing out of the ordinary for PC gamers used to paying more for hardware vs console gamers.

      On the other hand, with VR being basically the playground of mediocre Indie-Games, with the once-in-a-blue-moon gem surfacing, there isn't much incentive to buy the hardware either. Let's be honest, why buy a 800 bucks VR kit so I can play a point-and-click get-out-of-the-room Flash game, with the "awesome new" gimmick of being IN the room instead of seeing it on the screen?

      Go play paintball in rec room or drive a spaceship around the galaxy in Elite then come back here and tell us all about how VR is a point and click flash game gimmick.

    6. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but the porn is soooo awesome.

    7. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Sumus+Semper+Una · · Score: 1

      The equipment costs part I definitely agree with. It's just too expensive right now to find anything but a niche market. But I did want to speak to the idea of AAA developer support.

      Personally, I can't imagine AAA gaming studios ever being leaders in defining VR gaming experiences. As you mentioned, it's just too risky to invest in. In many cases, these are studios who offer the same game for consoles and PCs but dumb down the PC inputs so that it can just be a port of the console experience with graphics customized to the machine. Studios taking that tack will never be willing to see VR as anything but an afterthought because to do a VR gaming experience in a compelling way means designing the interaction for the game *around* the fact that it's in VR.

      I feel like the indie studios making mediocre games with an occasional gem is actually the way I'd expect this technology to play out. I don't expect VR to become a proven game development option that most gaming studios are even willing to consider (except as a gimmicky version of a game that doesn't need VR in the first place) until some previously-unknown studio figures out how to build a truly enjoyable way to interact with a VR world and has the ability and passion to execute on their vision in a way that resonates with gamers. I don't see that day coming any time soon, so if I were a career game developer I wouldn't be too worried about making sure I can list VR skills on my resume just yet.

    8. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      if you don't have a computer to plug your VR kit into, 2500-3000 is the price tag you're looking at

      Prices dropped since the last time you looked. Oculus Rift is now $399.

      I was a skeptic like you. Surely it's just a fad like the 3DS and 3D TV. But after checking out the demo at Best Buy, I changed my mind. It's a fundamentally different experience from any of its 3D predecessors. It's just WAY better. The technology is finally here that delivers the real goods.

      I think we might be at the iPad phase of VR. Tablets have been around for a long time before that (Newton, Palm etc) but they were all lame. So when iPad was announced people laughed. But 2010 was finally the year that had all the pieces align to give us a good tablet.

      Yes there's still the chicken-and-egg problem of not having AAA titles and studios not making them because there's not enough VR units sold yet. I think Sony and Facebook and HTC should band together and develop a common interface thingie so if you write a game for Oculus, it'd be trivial to port it to Playstion VR. The total number of Oculus and Playstation VR and HTC Vibe sold so far is pretty substantial.

      And don't forget, Minecraft VR edition is out. Minecraft all by itself is a pretty big deal.

    9. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good writeup. I would add that the modding scene is getting involved, too. With Doom3 VR, Alien Isolation VR, soon HL2VR, there are some really pretty and quality experiences out there.

      It's pretty obvious that a small market doesn't warrant full AAA development yet. Plus the time needed to actually build such a game.
      The price drop on the Rift sure is boosting adoption - and when enough sets are out there, bigger studios will start to make bigger games for it. The incoming wave of AA games is just proof of healthy market growth. Disregard all those indie shovelware wave shooters, and there is actually more than "a handfull" of good games already there.

      Yes, this are the NES days of VR. But back then, we had much fun with the NES already, too.

    10. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the AA(A) stuff is slowly rolling in, though.
      lone echo made quite a splash and looks pretty gorgeous:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZvqve8E5Vw

    11. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by NoZart · · Score: 1

      Trying to argue/describe VR to someone who never tried it is kinda like trying to explain what LSD is like - you HAVE to experience it. Youtube videos can't do the medium justice in any way.

      The moment one feels presence for the first time in VR has silenced each and every skeptic i demoed VR to. But popping VRgin cherries is part of the fun for me :)

    12. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Kjella · · Score: 1

      There simply is no "VR genre" born yet, we don't know yet what games do and which don't work on VR. There is simply not enough data available so far.

      If you could make some kind of omni-directional treadmill for VR, it would be really cool. Even if you have a rather big room it's extremely limited in terms of a virtual world so they all have to break the immersion by teleporting you around. Those that work best and that you can do for the longest are those where you're "restricted" to your seat. You're piloting a spaceship. Driving a car. Riding a roller coaster. Being on the tower in tower defense.

      And these games also mostly hide the entirely virtual nature of it. Say you want a boxing game, there's no hiding that you hit air. And that your opponent is just air. And that there are no ropes in the boxing ring. Not unless you have a VR suit and take it to an entirely different level. It's nice in the "you can look around" kind of way, I'd love to plan a new apartment in VR. Then again walking around/planning in a non-VR 3D model would work pretty well too. It's that extra immersion, but it's more nice-to-have than need-to-have.

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    13. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $1,318.45 for PC + oculus + touch controllers

      That is for a PC that is at the bare minimum for VR specs-wise. Have fun turning all of the details down in your games in order to maintain that consistent 90 FPS.

      The problem with content is being addressed -
      Current higher budget games e.g.
      Robo Recall - https://youtu.be/shiKcsjZnH0 [youtu.be]
      Lone Echo - https://youtu.be/2pmV2mwAV9k [youtu.be]
      The Mages Tale - https://youtu.be/MKIr9-zrkI8 [youtu.be]

      Upcoming examples -
      Arktika.1 - https://youtu.be/KLkvbAFIOJc [youtu.be]
      Killing Floor: Incursion - https://youtu.be/i3SinWPbXnw [youtu.be]
      MARVEL Powers United VR - https://youtu.be/qcUbC1aQpeY [youtu.be]

      How come in all of those the player just pivots in one spot and doesn't move around? It's like they totally forgot about gameplay because they were too busy polishing the turds.

    14. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VR isn't going away and it's not like massive changes to workflow are required to produce VR content.

      Yeah, sure it isn't. Just like the last couple of times VR was "here to stay". I guess you weren't even alive for those so you have no frame of reference. I also guess you don't like the idea that you (or rather your mommy and daddy) wasted a bunch of money on a gimmick.

      I have tried VR each time it was pushed and the experience can be summed up in the same way each time: "Visually neat, but cumbersome, uncomfortable and plain just not as fun as real gaming."

    15. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by 0123456 · · Score: 1
    16. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      "And there is very, very little support from AAA studios (read: ZERO)."

      If you don't count, say, Fallout 4 and Skyrim, which are supposed to be out in VR next year.

    17. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How come in all of those the player just pivots in one spot and doesn't move around? It's like they totally forgot about gameplay because they were too busy polishing the turds.

      Guy who hasn't tried VR, sees youtube of Lone Echo and Robo Recall and call it turds.
      yah... lol.

      RoboRecall and Lone Echo allow you to move around, with ease...

    18. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      VR as a tool would be great, but I doubt there would be many companies that have the resources (and the willingness to spend them) to develop such a tool. I could see some usability in travel agencies ("see your vacation location right here!") and furniture stores ("see what our table and couch would look like in your living room!"), but the cost of developing something like this would be beyond what they would willingly spend on it.

      Funny enough IKEA actually has such a tool. It's available on Steam for free, too. Take a look and tell me whether you still think it's a good idea...

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    19. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Office 365 can also be used on a 10 year old PC. You don't really want to do that either, though.

      Yes, it is possible to run VR on a rig that's below spec. It works. But with a VERY low frame rate you'll get sick, trust me. Your experience will be one that convinces you that you'll NEVER EVER try that shit again.

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    20. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, I also enjoy games in VR. I also don't really mind that the graphics are dated by about 20 years for the most part, but face it: I'm an old fart and not the kind of guy that drives game development with my maybe 5 hours a week time to play some VR games.

      And yes, there are great games with decent graphics. Raw Data alone is a good example of a game that can create tension, mood and a feeling of urgency. But this gem is buried under a metric ton of mediocre or outright bad Flashgame knockoffs. Seriously, sieving through Steam's VR Game list is worse than finding a game worth playing in Google's Play Store.

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    21. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No kidding, my personal "WTF???" moment was taking a first look at my VR "hands" in Raw Data. I was looking at my hands. Literally. With the difference that they were very robotic in nature, but behaved absolutely identical to my real ones. Turn your hand, the hand you see turns. Make a first (and press the side buttons on the controller) and so does the hand you see. Freaky!

      The problem is that the new car smell wears off quickly.

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    22. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What I noticed is that games work best where the restricted room you have works in the game world. For example, there is a submarine sim that works well with the spacial restrictions because, hey, it's a submarine and supposed to be a few small rooms. They solved the transition from room to room by having you step through bulkheads, which they manage to creatively make your character model shift around enough that you hardly notice that you're essentially going "back" instead of forwards, you essentially walk back and forth in your room while you go through the sub.

      So yes, that problem can sometimes be solved in a creative way. But in general you're of course right, having at best a three by three meters large room limits the possibility of moving about severely.

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    23. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Seeing is believing. Especially how that VR part is going to unfold, and whether there is some commitment to it or whether it's tacked on as a gimmick.

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    24. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by NoZart · · Score: 1

      Maybe you are looking for different things in games than others. I am a 40 year old slightly fat dude that is completely jaded on gaming. Callofbattlefieldestiny17 and tryingtoohardtoretroindies left and right leave a sour taste in my mouth whenever i start the steam client.

      Enter VR. Suddenly, the control scheme is completely mixed up. Shooting stuff is fun all of a sudden again. (15 years q3 pro here - i am fed up with clicking on things). Shooting at some guy while i fly through the air and slicing him with my cyber katana makes me feel like my 6 year old self when i did the same with plastic swords and squirtguns (minus the 10 meter leaps of course). I love racing. Driving in VR gives me way better spatial awareness, breaking for turns feels the same as in a car vs. "start to brake when this %marker% leaves the screen". I could go on, but i guess you know what i mean.

      And then there is the elusive thing called presence. Some games manage to trick my eyes and brain in such a way that the geometry feels like it has substance. The first time i felt it was in Alien Isolation on the DK2. When presence hits me, i can dive in so much that the VR becomes the place i am at. This raises the quality of the experience massively for me.

      I fully concur that steam is overloaded with unity asset swaps and samey shit. But being lots of shit there doesn't devalue the handful of extraordinary experiences that are available. Sure, they are rare. Mostly too little content. And even the good ones tend to have many similarities control/mechanism wise. But i see this as the comparison to things like ego shooters: you move the mouse and click on things. In every one of them. As the producers try to get into VR, they will surely discover new mechanisms and maybe even genres. And i am looking forward to that.

    25. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, they don't. The official promo videos themselves show the player just standing in place in every single shot.

      And I've tried every single "VR" product every single time it came around since before you were born, junior. It's "meh" at best. I guess your simple mind is just much more easily amused.

    26. Re:VR games suffer from two problems by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was like that 9 months ago when I bought the Vive. Now it's 9 months later, the new car smell is gone and I notice it's just the same tryingtoohardtoretroindies. Just in VR.

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  9. Anything that is "the fastest growing"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... always translates into "minimal market that is going nowhere". It's like a business "code phrase".

    By the way, I bought a HTC Vive on consumer release, had it for half a year and tried "everything" in it. Wanted to love it so much. It was my childhood dream coming true... or so I wanted to believe. It was actually shit. I won't even bother listing all the issues and annoyances, because the worst and most fundamental problem was a total lack of anything exciting to run with it. It all sucked ass. I wanted a girlfriend simulator made by a AAA studio or something. It was all just crappy "app"-like "experiences" that all felt like they were using the same exact tools and just replaced some textures and added generic models. Very lame and boring and a huge letdown.

    I'm never jumping onto the "VR" hype again before it's like in the movies.

    1. Re:Anything that is "the fastest growing"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm never jumping onto the "VR" hype again before it's like in the movies.

      So, never?

    2. Re:Anything that is "the fastest growing"... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1
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  10. VR suffer from two problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The quality of what's out there is "Money for Nothing" music video level. If it was at the same level as what's currently available through monitors then it might be worth it. But I'm not certain the tech is at that level, yet.

    1. Re:VR suffer from two problems. by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      "The quality of what's out there is "Money for Nothing" music video level."

      I believe you're confusing modern VR with VR from the early 90s. Which was only at that level, if you were lucky.

  11. Re:Market will go nuts after Ready Player One is o by sheramil · · Score: 1

    ....whether totally unjustified, its going to be a match to gasoline. JMHO...

    Indeed. A brief flare of light and heat, and then a lingering smell. And then nothing.

  12. clarification: by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Since most slashdotters are unfamiliar with the concept, a "girl" is like "your mom", but younger and not related to you.
    And usually they aren't ok with you living in their basement, and get annoyed if you demand they bring you hot pockets.

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    1. Re:clarification: by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Don't narrow their options needlessly, they don't really need to be younger.

  13. good luck buddy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


     

  14. VR skills? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    I have completed Portal 2, does that count as VR experience?

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  15. High end video gaming or just expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I beg to differ on the "high end" part. Serious videogaming is about instantaneous response times, not laggy VR headsets.

  16. Other companies that make VR goggles include... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HTC ! The makers of the best VR headset currently available, by far!

    Compared the Oculus Rift, Sony VR, Samsung Gear VR, the HTC Vive offers the best experience and is the most open for developers. And why even mention Google?! What VR headset do they offer for sale? NO, Google "Glass" is NOT "VR", okay?

    The person who wrote the summary, if not a Facebook/Oculus shill, will be in for a surprise when they try the HTC Vive.

    1. Re:Other companies that make VR goggles include... by NoZart · · Score: 1

      Hi, HTC shill ;-)

    2. Re:Other companies that make VR goggles include... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why even mention Google?! What VR headset do they offer for sale?

      https://vr.google.com/daydream...

  17. What apps? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Do we have an idea of the wonderful VR applications coming ahead?

  18. HTC? no mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HTC is by far the best platform for VR and there is no mention anywhere.