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Cats and Dogs Contribute Significantly To Climate Change, Says UCLA Study (patch.com)

New submitter Zorro shares a report from Patch.com: When it comes to global warming, Fido and Fluffy are part of the problem, a new study by UCLA indicates. Pet ownership in the United States creates about 64 million tons of carbon dioxide a year, UCLA researchers found. That's the equivalent of driving 13.6 million cars for a year. The problem lies with the meat-filled diets of kitties and pooches, according to the study by UCLA geography professor Gregory Okin. Dogs and cats are responsible for 25 to 30 percent of the impacts of meat production in the United States, said Orkin. Compared to a plant-based diet, meat production "requires more energy, land and water and has greater environmental consequences in terms of erosion, pesticides and waste," the study found. And what goes in, must come out. In terms of waste, Okin noted, feeding pets also leads to about 5.1 million tons of feces every year, roughly equivalent to the total trash production of Massachusetts. The study has been published in the journal PLOS One.

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  1. How about people ? by religionofpeas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How much CO2 does an average person produce, compared to a dog ?

    1. Re:How about people ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      A brief check suggests the total CO2 generation of the US is around 5.3 Billion metric tons, which would mean cats and dogs account for 1.2% of the total CO2 generated by the US.

    2. Re:How about people ? by brianerst · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And who is going to enforce that? How? Crippling economic sanctions on countries that are already at desperation levels of poverty? Invasion? Recolonialization?

      The surest way to drop the birthrate in poor countries, proven to work time and time again, is to raise the standard of living. Richer people have fewer children - it holds true for every level of "rich" outside of the multimillionaire class. Children are an important resource to subsistence farmers and it's natural to have many of them when there is a high likelihood that many of them will not survive to adulthood (even though, in aggregate, many do).

      Children are an enjoyable burden to urban and middle class people - when women work outside the home, there is a huge incentive to have fewer children.

      The down side, of course, is that richer people use more resources, but we can work on that from a technology perspective. But if you want fewer people, make them rich(er).

    3. Re: How about people ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I suggested to my cat that she become vegetarian. She was not amused.

  2. Leftovers by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pets used to eat mostly left-overs from their owner's plates. Then we started producing food specially for them, which is one of the main reasons hat they live about twice as long as they used to.

    Having said that, the stuff in cat and dog food tens to be the stuff that humans don't want. Mechanically recovered head meat, the kind of stuff that only KFC would try to feed you out of one of their buckets.

    And my cat loves fruit and vegetables. Western cat food seems to be mostly meat, but Japanese cat food has a lot more fruit, vegetables and seafood in it.

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    1. Re:Leftovers by swb · · Score: 5, Informative

      Cats are obligate carnivores, they have to eat meat because they need the ready nutrients only meat can provide.

      Dogs have a higher tolerance for carbohydrates, but really, this is an accident of domestication. In any wild setting, all canine species would eat a diet almost entirely of meat because that's what's available. The occasional browsing of grasses and plants may have some digestive benefit for canines but almost no caloric value. Their caloric intake would be animal flesh.

    2. Re:Leftovers by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All true, but modern pet foods can provide the nutrients without the high meat content. And the other stuff like fruit, gravy and jelly just provide some extra volume and flavour/smell. Keep in mind that modern meat has a lot more nutrients than what those animals would eat in the wild too.

      Obviously we want pets to keep eating meat, it's good for them. I was just suggesting that the reason why it's becoming a problem in terms of emissions now could be due to the changing nature of pet diets, which are generally designed to appeal to pet owners as the primary consideration. Maybe they can be designed to be more sustainable and still provide a good diet.

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    3. Re:Leftovers by brianerst · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was just suggesting that the reason why it's becoming a problem in terms of emissions now could be due to the changing nature of pet diets

      The reason it's a problem now is that someone decided to publish a study on its impact. Regular pet food hasn't changed significantly in years.

      In the grand scheme of things, pet ownership is barely a blip on the radar. This is just another "sky is falling" study - overhyped nonsense that obscures the real work that needs to be done in terms of decarbonization.

    4. Re:Leftovers by umafuckit · · Score: 4, Funny

      Obviously we want pets to keep eating meat, it's good for them.

      I tried this with the last three rabbits I had. None of them lived very long, so I'm considering changing diet for the next one. I'll try fish next.

  3. equivalent to the trash production of Massachusett by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can't we just get rid of Massachusetts instead?

  4. Wolf subspecies and vegetation by sjbe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dogs have a higher tolerance for carbohydrates, but really, this is an accident of domestication.

    Not true. Dogs are not obligate carnivores. Even wolves routinely supplement their diet with fruits and vegetables in the wild.

    In any wild setting, all canine species would eat a diet almost entirely of meat because that's what's available.

    Also not true. All wolf subspecies (including dogs, coyotes, dingoes) have an evolutionary preference for meat but will voluntarily eat vegetation in substantial amounts and if necessary can live without meat indefinitely. The Maned Wolf has a diet that is approximately 50% vegetation. With certain exceptions most of what you eat is also readily digestible by your dog too. Dogs are omnivores in actuality.

    1. Re:Wolf subspecies and vegetation by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not sure why you and a few other people thought I'm not feeding my cat meat. I eat meat, my cat eats mostly meat with vegetables and fruit mixed in. Just little chunks. It's proper cat food, out of a tin.

      He catches birds and mice sometimes, but never eats them.

      Was it the wording I used, or do people just assume I'm a vegan, or what?

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  5. Don't have kids, don't have pets, just die lonely? by davide+marney · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's some kind of pitiful argument. No wonder they're losing.

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  6. More twaddle by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The meat we feed to animals are cut-offs that don't make it into hotdogs. It has its own separate grade, "canning grade".

    Meat is not grown *for* pets, although I'm sure there's some fru-fru company that does it. As such, the pets are eating waste, and the CO2 budget is zero.

  7. Re:Don't have kids, don't have pets, just die lone by MitchDev · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No kidding.

    Limiting people to a bland, tasteless nutrient-rich food paste of exactly the right quantity and monitoring them 24/7 so they don't take risks or do anything "wrong" would also help prolong life, but it would also be a living-hell not worth living in....

  8. Study is dead wrong - waste by pubwvj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This study is completely wrong. Cat and dog food are made with the offal, the meat by products that humans don't want to eat. Thus the cat and dog food contribute 0% to the impacts of meat production in the United States.

    When you use a waste stream you don't contribute to the problem, you contribute to the solution.

    This study reads like propaganda. Unfortunately ill-informed people will believe it.

  9. Really? by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its not like a truck full of cows shows up at the typical pet food factory. Pet food tends to be made from human food byproducts.

    "The raw ingredients used in rendering are generally just leftovers of the meat, poultry and fishing industries."
    - http://www.petmd.com/dog/nutri...

    There is no additional impact from cow farts by using animal already raised for human consumption to begin with. If the study got the manufacturing of the food this wrong, how badly was the rest botched?

  10. Except that by DrYak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except that developing countries tend to, you know, develop {...} Better to control the population growth while the development is happening,

    Except that demographic transition IS A THING.
    And as the countries are developing, the birth rate is getting lower.
    So better control of the population is auto-happening and has been measured everywhere.

    (Basically, as society develops, children aren't an advantage - helping hands in the farm - but are a burden - need education, etc.
    So overtime parent have less incentives to have as many as possible,
    which in turn compensate the fact that modern medicine is having less of the them dying of diseases.
    That's an actually observed phenomenon)

    So "one child policies" aren't the best method.
    Having them access education, better jobs, even better farming equipment will accelerate the transition.

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    1. Re:Except that by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The thing that leads to less kids in the most "modern/industrial" societies, that final mile if you will, is parents being overworked. Working 40+ hours a week, and then the commute, and then the hour lunch which often is just wasted time hanging out at work and eating for half of it. And both parents being forced to work to be "normal". I see my kids a few hours each evening. I see my coworkers ... well, nearly 40 hours a week.

      We need less of a population, but I'm not sure working people into bad health, unhappy relationships, and fucked up families is the way to do it. Sending babies to daycare at age 2 months is NOT FUCKING NORMAL!!! Yet 99% of the people around here do that. Kids being at some before and after care thing during elementary ages is not perfect either. Hell one of my kids is more attached to the worker at the day care than to the kid's grandparents. WTF?!

      Anyway... I can rant about this forever, please excuse me. You had good points, but I hate seeing the population overworked. I was reading something about a billionaire the other day, and it occurred to me if you took his billion dollars and spread it out to a thousand people, they'd all be millionaires. Wow, wealth is really not distributed too well is it?

  11. Re:equivalent to the trash production of Massachus by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not originally from Massachusetts, and I've lived in a whole bunch of states (Alabama, Connecticut, Maine and now Iowa), and I can see why people from Mass have this attitude about environmental issues. It is very clear that on environmental issues both large and small, not only is Mass better than they in terms of regulations but also in terms of people simply being willing to do minor things in their day-to-day lives like reusing things rather than throwing them out, or keeping their heating and air conditioning at temperatures that reduce use, etc.

  12. Re:Don't have kids, don't have pets, just die lone by cyberchondriac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Soylent Green meets 1984.

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