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'World of Warcraft' Game Currency Now Worth More Than Venezuelan Money (theblaze.com)

schwit1 quotes TheBlaze: Digital gold from Blizzard's massive multiplayer online game "World of Warcraft" is worth more than actual Venezuelan currency, the bolivar, according to new data. Venezuelan resident and Twitter user @KalebPrime first made the discovery July 14 and tweeted at the time that on the Venezuela's black market -- now the most-used method of currency exchange within Venezuela according to NPR -- you can get $1 for 8493.97 bolivars. Meanwhile, a "WoW" token, which can be bought for $20 from the in-game auction house, is worth 8385 gold per dollar. According to sites that track the value of both currencies, KalebPrime's math is outdated, and WoW gold is now worth even more than the bolivar.
That tweet has since gone viral, prompting @KalebPrime to joke that "At this rate when I publish my novel the quotes will read 'FROM THE GUY THAT MADE THE WOW GOLD > VENEZUELAN BOLIVAR TWEET.'"

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  1. The Blaze? by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really? I know the old saying that even a broken clock is right twice a day. But you couldn't come up with a more legit source than glen beck's propaganda rag?

    Try:
    http://fortune.com/2017/08/01/...

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  2. Socialism's latest success by Kohath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Widespread desperation and misery in the country with the richest oil reserves in Latin America. Everyone is poor (except the leaders) and it's all the fault of the CIA (or whoever it's convenient to blame this time). And yet, no matter how many times it brings disaster, some people keep believing stories about how spending others' money instead of earning their own will work out good for them.

    1. Re:Socialism's latest success by Kohath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would you take one failed 3rd world country

      Venezuela, Cuba, Eastern Europe before 1990, the USSR, North Korea, China's Great Leap Forward, Cambodia, National Socialists in Germany, etc.

      It's a long list and I'm sure someone could make it longer.

      And Venezuela wasn't a "failed country" before Chavez.

      The Scandanavian countries have some of the highest standards of living in the world and would definitely be considered "socialist" by your view

      Not sure what you think "my view" is. But Swedish Americans, Danish Americans, Finnish Americans all have a 50% higher standard of living than respective Swedes, Danes, and Finns living in the Nordic countries.

      It's also called being part of a society rather than some Randian utopia of self centered greed.

      Yay for straw men. What would we do without them?

      But OK, I'll agree that socialism doesn't always disasterously fail everyone, everywhere. And free markets don't always help everyone.

      But that doesn't mean we can't look at China today vs. Great Leap Forward China, or Venezuela before and after Chavez and learn some lessons.

      For example, maybe only Scandinavians can succeed at socialism while everyone else is doomed to fail at it. So places where the population isn't nearly 100% Scandinavian should stay far away. That seems to fit the pattern.

      Can you learn?

    2. Re:Socialism's latest success by TheSunborn · · Score: 2

      Not really, because US only allow emigration of highly educated people who can support them self. So the people who moved to US would have been better of then an average person in their home country, even if they stayed home.

      But this is moot. None of the Nordic countries or Germany are what you would call socialist countries. They are "free marked" capitalist countries, and the only difference between them and US, is the exact amount of money the government moves between citizens, and thus exactly which services the the government is responsible for ensuring.

    3. Re:Socialism's latest success by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not sure what you think "my view" is. But Swedish Americans, Danish Americans, Finnish Americans all have a 50% higher standard of living than respective Swedes, Danes, and Finns living in the Nordic countries.

      Selection bias. No poor Swede, Dane or Finn would ever consider emigrating to the US. The US is a great country to be rich and a terrible country to be poor. To be honest, if the only measure of my life was making money I should probably emigrate too. But you know, it's my home. All the taxes I pay means it's a fairly nice place to live, there's not so many violent and desperate people as in the US. And if any American wants to brag about charity, maybe it's a bit de facto charity.

      I have a few friends that have worked in the US, they went to lucrative jobs with big international companies. They wouldn't have gone otherwise. If they became unemployed, they never would have stayed. Social democracies don't work magic, the money we spend giving everyone a basic standard of living comes from redistributing wealth not some magic well. The highs don't get so high and the lows don't get so low. You don't go the US unless you're already a winner.

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  3. And then? by fibonacci8 · · Score: 2

    Unless you can then resell the token for real world currency, good, or services (not limited to some video game which most of the world does not value at all) then the headline is only true for a very small subset of people.

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    1. Re:And then? by dabadab · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unless you can then resell the token for real world currency

      Fair point: I do not think there are many people who would exchange real money for Bolivars.

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  4. Re:western bankers by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The CIA has been working hard for decades to destabilize the remaining socialist/communist governments in South America. Looks like they've succeeded in this country at least. Of course, it will ultimately backfire and produce horrific results, as it always does when the CIA goes fucking around with South America or the Middle East. But that's just more fun from the three-letter agency that never, ever learns.

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  5. Re:western bankers by elrous0 · · Score: 2

    For anyone interested, here's a good read on the subject. A little out of date now, but as timely as ever.

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  6. Units vs collective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The individual UNITS are worth more. But the units are arbitrary and a comparison between units has nothing to do with the value of the currency itself. You can say a single WoW gold is worth more than a Peso, or a cent, or a Rupee, or a Yuan, or whatever you want. It means nothing.

  7. Re:Leftism is incompatible with functioning econom by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can you define "leftism"? Some of the most successful economies in the world could be defined as "leftists" if you include social Democrat nations like Sweden and Germany.

    The Chavista regime certainly can be defined as leftist, but a more accurate description would be a kleptocracy.

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  8. Re:western bankers by xenog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Right, the CIA. I am Venezuelan. I know how this came to be. I saw it happen. If it wasn't for your signature I would have accused you of being a communism apologist coming up with another explanation that excuses the Venezuelan people for repeatedly and obstinately choosing an administration hell-bent on turning the the country into a communist utopia.

  9. Re:western bankers by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are you saying the CIA convinced Venezuela to ditch capitalism and embrace socialism as a means to destabilize itself?

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  10. Incedible by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How a basically rich country can be driven utterly into the ground by massive mismanagement. Leads me to believe that it all comes down to the people and who they put in charge. As long as people do not start to wise up, we will continue have catastrophes like that. Not that what is going on in the US, the UK or the eastern parts of the EU is any better: Stupid people that believe stupid promises by utterly evil politicians.

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  11. Re:western bankers by Kohath · · Score: 2

    It's amazing how every socialist paradise always gets poorer and poorer and it's always the fault of the CIA, even while Obama was president.

    You guys should just give it up. The CIA will always be there making your utopian plans fail, no matter what. Every leader everywhere is powerless against the CIA's efforts, and clearly always will be.

    If you stick with free markets, the CIA might let you prosper. Otherwise you have no chance. How many disasters is it going to take to learn?

  12. Re:western bankers by mikael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I thought the target was Saudi Arabia. Drive down the price of oil, so that they are forced to dip into their savings and rainy day funds. It might take a few years but eventually they will be living hand-to-mouth in terms of bringing money into the country.

    The side effect was that Venezuela also suffered a loss of earnings from the oil industry. There was a national strike, the government punished those oil workers that supported the strike, froze wages and fired experienced workers like geologists. Now with that knowledge lost, the replacements make mistakes when drilling which causes damage to machinery. which causes further loss of productivity. So oil production is in decline.

    An international web site called Oil Pro is actually shutting down: www.oilpro.com

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  13. Re:western bankers by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I didn't say the administration was a good one. But if you think the CIA hasn't played a very active role in this situation (as it has in MANY, MANY other coups and economic crashes in the region), you're being very naive. Regardless of the competence or incompetence of the regime, they can make it almost impossible for a socialist/communist government to survive. Cuba is one of the very rare exceptions, and they were only able to do it because they were so stringently isolated and resilient.

    It's a leftover Cold War mentality, but the ultimate goal is still to serve the interests of the U.S. dollar and U.S. corporations.
     

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  14. Re:Leftism is incompatible with functioning econom by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2, Informative

    However neither Germany nor Sweden or other Scandinavian countries would consider themselves "left".
    That is just a stupid american label.

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  15. Re:western bankers by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    I also blame outside negative interference, it always makes things worse, and radicalizes society at all levels.

    Who interfered? There are Cubans in Venezuela, but they were invited in, and aren't in control. Venezuela has bad relations with Colombia, but that is because of Chavez interfering in Colombia by supporting the FARC. Both Chavez and Maduro have blamed their problems on American interference, but that is mostly fabrication. Venezuela was kicked out of Mercosur, but their economy was already in the toilet when that finally happened.

  16. Re:Leftism is incompatible with functioning econom by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Germany? "leftist"?

    By European standards, Germany is economically conservative. But compared to America, Germany is "leftist". Like most people, Americans use themselves as the reference point. Plenty of Americans believe their own government to be leftist.

  17. Re:Leftism is incompatible with functioning econom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An example of "leftism" you forgot to list would be taxing the citizens to bail out failed investments by corporations. Oh wait!

    Wonder who is the "kleptocrat".

  18. Re:Leftism is incompatible with functioning econom by ChatHuant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Leftism is the idea that government can be used to solve practically any problem.

    That's not correct, but let's go with this for now. By extension then, "rightism" would be the idea that the free market can be used to solve practically any problem. Let's see how this solves the problems you posted:
     

    Are there people who are hungry and can't get food?

    They have to offer something to the free market; otherwise they can't buy food for themselves or their children. If they can't offer something (maybe they're sick, too young, lack skills, or maybe the market isn't in a great state) they starve and the problem solves itself - no more hungry people!
     

    Are there people who can't afford housing?

    The free market solves this problem easily: homeless people can either die or, as an alternative be jailed in for-profit prisons for loitering, sleeping under bridges, and so on. Either solution solves the homeless problem in a nice market-driven way.

    Do you really think the free-market solutions to your problems are better?
     

    Almost all Leftists are Klepotocrats.

    That's... rather silly. You may as well say almost all rightists are oligarchists, and they long to be led by a handful of billionaires - who are obviously their betters, or else they wouldn't be billionaires, now would they?

  19. Re:Leftism is incompatible with functioning econom by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    To be fair, von Bismarck (it's an old name and predates the modern "mark" spelling) intended to suppress socialists that way.

    Of course. I was being sarcastic when I called him a liberal. But the reasons for his policies are not what is important. What is important is that they worked. Germany was socially stable and prospered. In fact, they did so well that by 1914 the Germans felt they could fight the whole world and win.

  20. Re:western bankers by mrclevesque · · Score: 2

    "It keeps happening over and over. How does "hoping" it might work out differently make sense?"

    It seems the CIA interference in Syria has stopped since Trump is in power. When I used the word hope for Venezuela I meant I hoped Trump would curb that too (if he was the one responsible for the CIA exit from Syria but I'm not holding my breath and the CIA exit from Syria may have simply been because it's become obvious to enough people that they were a liability).

    "It seems like the only choices that work out at all are the ones the CIA bogeyman won't mess up: free markets and elected governments"

    They've messed up elected governments and markets, when you have access to weapons and funding it's easy to mess up the free ness of markets, and when you add to that 'economic sanctions' you can cause serious harm.

  21. Re:western bankers by xenog · · Score: 3, Informative

    No mate, this is all conspiracy theory. Venezuela is walking the same worn path that all communisms have walked. First it starts with the idea that you will create a new sort of man: the socialist man, a mythical human that is no longer interested in its own well-being or individual achievement. This is accompanied by mass expropriation of private companies, you know, to give them to the people. Then officials start shouting accusations of economic conspiracy when a large chunk of people with wealth and businesses decide that this project clashes with their values and interests, and leave. Capital controls are subsequently enforced to prevent the remaining wealth from leaving the country. Price controls are put in place for staples and other basic products because the unemployed population has become so impoverished that they can no longer afford them at market prices. Scarcity ensues. People who complain and blame the communist regime for the deteriorating situation are accused of working with the enemy to destabilise the country, prosecuted, imprisoned or killed because they are not walking the Party line. I was there, I saw all of this happen. You blaming the CIA is just regular American conspiracy paranoia, nothing more.

  22. Re:Leftism is incompatible with functioning econom by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

    Point is they are in no way left. Germany us right now ruled by a big coalation, CDU, a conservative right party and SPD, a slightly left from the center party.
    The countries you mention have strong social nets, that does not make them left.
    It is just your label and in comparission to countries that have 'left' parties or even governments completely missleading.

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