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'See the Future Firefox Right Now' (cnet.com)

"Mozilla is prepping a new version of Firefox in an effort to rally in the race for browser supremacy," writes CNET's Matt Elliott, who decided to test drive a new nightly build of Firefox 57 which "promises fast speeds and a new look." An anonymous reader quotes their report: Firefox 57 has added a screenshot button in the top-right corner... It highlights different elements on a page as you mouse over them, or you can just click-and-drag the old-school way to take a screenshot of a portion of a page. Screenshots are saved within Firefox. Click the scissors button and then click the little My Shots window to open a new tab of all of your saved screenshots. From here you can download them or share them... The bookmark and Pocket buttons have been moved from the right of the URL bar to inside it, but the Page Actions button is new. Click it and you'll get a small menu to Copy URL, Email Link and Send to Device. The Page Actions menu also has bookmark and Pocket buttons, which seems redundant at first but then I realized you can remove those items from the URL bar by right-clicking them. You can't remove the new, triple-dot Page Actions button...

As with any prerelease software, Firefox Nightly 57 is meant for developers and will likely exhibit strange and unstable behavior from time to time. Also, there is no guarantee that the final release will look like what you see in the current version of Nightly. For example, I have read reports that the search box next to Firefox's URL bar may be on the chopping block. It's part of the design of the current Nightly build but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets dropped between now and November since most web users have grown accustomed to entering their search queries right in the URL bar. Just as you can with the current version of Firefox, however, you can customize which elements are displayed at the top of Firefox Nightly 57, including the search box.

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  1. We can already see the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unfortunately, it doesn't look too bright.

    1. Re:We can already see the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The web is changing faster than ever. Do we hate Firefox for changing to the new technology or hate them for being OLD and sticking with the OLD technology?

      They "killed off a bunch of useful plugins" or are they switching to the new standards instead of being left behind by Safari, Opera, and Chrome? Are those plugin developers even still actively developing their code? A new plugin should run on Chrome and Firefox with this new system. That seems to be an advantage that developers will like.

      Firefox has to stick with the new standards in security and multiprocessing threads. Or do you not want security and performance?

    2. Re:We can already see the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are those plugin developers even still actively developing their code?

      Why should they have to? their code works just fine and is free of bugs.

      A new plugin should run on Chrome and Firefox with this new system.

      So what you're saying is that there's zero reason to use firefox anymore.

    3. Re:We can already see the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The web is changing faster than ever. Do we hate Firefox for changing to the new technology or hate them for being OLD and sticking with the OLD technology?

      They "killed off a bunch of useful plugins" or are they switching to the new standards instead of being left behind by Safari, Opera, and Chrome? Are those plugin developers even still actively developing their code? A new plugin should run on Chrome and Firefox with this new system. That seems to be an advantage that developers will like.

      Firefox has to stick with the new standards in security and multiprocessing threads. Or do you not want security and performance?

      Pale Moon does all that but doesn't jack up the UI every update, that is one of the main reasons why it exists and people keep migrating it to instead of sticking with Firefox.

      Firefox is obsessed with being Chrome but doesn't realize that people who want Chrome already went to Chrome years ago.

    4. Re:We can already see the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They "killed off a bunch of useful plugins" or are they switching to the new standards instead of being left behind by Safari, Opera, and Chrome?

      The power of plugins on Firefox is not what is holding it back. The persistence of Mozilla.org in focusing on new irrelevant "features" instead of improving performance, standards compliance, and fixing bugs is what is killing Firefox. They lost what little they had of giving the customer what the customer wanted, and now let pet projects, egos, and politics drive their roadmap with predictable results. Firefox 57 will seal it's fate as an irrelevant browser.

  2. Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hopefully I'm not the only one, but I kind of lost faith in 'modern' browsers when they started hiding the menu and status bar by default.

    Car analogy: Our engineers have found we can make the windscreen 30% larger if we remove the dashboard and AC controls, brilliant!

    1. Re:Hopefully by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unlike you, I prefer to know wtf is going on with the car. Being stuck on the side of the road with nothing but an idiot light telling me to call the dealer does not help. This is especially true when an oil pressure gauge could've told me something was wrong before catastrophic failure. Being corralled into using roadside assistance services for preventable problems is ridiculous too.

      Auto climate control is a pain if I just want a small amount of the coldest air possible during the summer. Other times, the fan is either too fast, too slow, or just too loud when I start the car because it's trying to rapidly adjust temp. As a result, half the time it's in manual mode because I've turned the fan down.

      Most of these touchscreen interfaces are terribly programmed (eg activesync) and are more trouble than they're worth. The settings I want are buried in sub menus which are 'conveniently' disabled for 'safety' while the car is moving. Just give me a damned knob and it wouldn't be a problem. Another thing is light pollution. The dimmer is never dim enough for night driving and the panels themselves leak light like sieves. AmoLED might help, but they're too cheap to use that.

  3. Versioning thing must have bit them in the Ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's hard to get excited when numbers get too high too fast. No one cares for the next suckfest of features.

  4. Haha really? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Firefox's last gasp to stay relevant is a screenshot button? Who the hell is paid money to come up with these ideas? Asking a magic 8 ball makes more sense.

    --
    Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    1. Re:Haha really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Haha really, adding features? Who the hell is paid money to add features? Being a cynical douche decrying everything reflexively makes more sense.

  5. Woo... zzzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK, few comments on the new "features":

    1. Copy URL. Copying URLs is already trivial, either from the URL bar or by right-clicking on a link. Do we really need another way?
    2. Email link. How does that differ from copy and paste into an email?
    3. Bookmarks... really? So, like the bookmarks menu, only better hidden behind a heiroglyph?
    4. Screenshots... I mean, really really? Because snipping tools and the old print screen button weren't enough?
    5. A "triple-dot Page Actions button". Let me guess: more things that already exist in menus, now conveniently hidden behind heiroglyphs in a non-standard location?
    6. "I have read reports that the search box next to Firefox's URL bar may be on the chopping block" it comes, it goes, it comes back again.

    I would comment on pocket, but I'm to demotivated to bother googling what it does. Is this what progress is meant to feel like?

  6. News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    So, Mozilla has put out nightly builds of Firefox over a decade - how is this news?

  7. how about keeping the current extension API? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    you can just click-and-drag the old-school way to take a screenshot of a portion of a page

    I have had a "print screen" key on my keyboard for decades. It has worked fine for decades. I do not need this functionality inside my browser.

    I have been able to and and paste URLs for decades. Even into a mailer. I do not need this built into the browser.

    How about, instead of wasting time on things like that, you instead work on preserving the current extension architecture, instead of making a clone of the one in Chrome, which is something everyone is asking for so they can continue to run the extensions they can run today? Some of which are not available under other browsers? Some of which are essential for a shred of web based privacy anymore?

  8. Each OS has a different snipping tool by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Screenshots... I mean, really really? Because snipping tools and the old print screen button weren't enough?

    What set of instructions to start a snipping tool works on all supported Windows versions (including versions after the deprecation of MSPaint), all supported OS X/macOS versions, and all major X11/Linux distributions? Unlike the snipping tool that may or may not have been included with your operating system, one in Firefox would work on all major desktop operating systems.

  9. Re: Why isn't Mozilla shitting its collective pant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They are more concerned about social justice and diversity. In fact, this is the end result of diversity for diversity's sake. Anyone of merit abandoned ship or was fired. All that's left are social studies majors, intersectional feminists, and Affirmative Action hires who were given 150 points free to their SAT scores.

    Fuck Firefox. Let it burn.

  10. Re:Why isn't Mozilla shitting its collective pants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is actually why I DON'T use firefox anymore. firefox is starting to only get "if we have time we will test it on firefox" from web developers as it just doesn't matter anymore. personally I need my browser to at least matter enough for people to bother testing their shit on it.

  11. Re:So... it's Chrome then? by fafalone · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So the compatibility list showing all the extensions that are no longer possible because of lack of functionality in WebExtensions is all in my head? Cool. And the UI hasn't been continually dumbed down and options removed, to be similar to Chrome? Damn I need to check into a psych ward because the browser I've been using for years is apparently in a different reality from the one I can see.

  12. Re:Why isn't Mozilla shitting its collective pants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Failing market share aside, Mozilla is the ONLY major browser developer that doesn't have a profit motive to fuck us all over. Once they're gone, it's profit motivated browsers, top to bottom.

    Chromium-derived browsers are cute and all, but let's not kid ourselves that they are at Google's mercy when it comes to technical decision-making.

  13. Re:Why isn't Mozilla shitting its collective pants by iampiti · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd mod you up but I've already commented.
    Google has lots of reasons to want to control the web (and spy users) and thus Chrome was born. Also, they'd rather you use Android apps than websites
    Microsoft also wants you to use their platform (Metro/Win32 Windows Store apps) rather than websites.
    Apple likewise with iOS and OS X.
    Mozilla are the only ones that they'd rather you use websites than their closed platforms.