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GoDaddy Expels Neo-Nazi Site Over Article On Charlottesville Victim (bbc.co.uk)
Reader Big Hairy Ian writes: Web hosting company GoDaddy has given a US neo-Nazi site 24 hours to find another provider after it disparaged a woman who died in protests in Virginia. The Daily Stormer published a piece denigrating Heather Heyer, who was killed on Saturday after a car rammed into a crowd protesting at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville. GoDaddy had faced calls to remove the white supremacist site as a result. The web host said the Daily Stormer had violated its terms of service. "We informed the Daily Stormer that they have 24 hours to move the domain to another provider, as they have violated our terms of service," GoDaddy said in a statement on Twitter. Previously, some web users had called on GoDaddy to remove the site -- including women's rights campaigner Amy Siskind. Violence broke out in Charlottesville, Virginia, after white supremacists organised a controversial far-right march called "Unite the Right".
They have rules and any site that violates them are subject to them. Supporting violence should certainly get anyone booted.
The government is bound to allow free speech. A corporation doesn't have to put up with things they find objectionable. There are other options for those pushing hate and GoDaddy is certainly in the right here.
Yep, this post will give the racist slahsdotters to come out of their holes ... let's try a pre-emptive point or two.
- If you cry 'many sides', you are supporting the racists.
- All of the protestors were there to support racism and other vile ideologies. Most were prepared for violence, many were violent.
- The counter-protestors were there in opposition to the vile scum. Some were violent. Most were not.
- The young lady who was killed was demonstrating peacefully.
after white supremacists organised a controversial far-right march called "Unite the Right".
"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
As usual, leftists want to censor things rather than refute them. The greatest enemy to free speech in the world is leftists. If you can refute someone, speak up and do it, even if the speech is disagreeable, such as white supremacy.
It's not censorship or a violation of freedom of speech. All they did was cancel the hosting of the site. The site is free to purchase hosting services somewhere else. It's basically as if GoDaddy owned a bulletin board and someone puts a flyer on there they don't like. They are free to remove that flyer and tell the person not to post it again. Individuals (corporations, etc) are not obligated to provide you a forum for your speech, and your right to free speech does not translate into a right to be heard by others.
Personally, I never thought I'd be on GoDaddy's side on anything, but I have no problem with this.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
As usual, private enterprises want to distance themselves from objectively horrible people because it may cost them money.
As usual, objectively horrible people suddenly decide that it is "censorship" if private enterprises decide that they do not want to be associated with said objectively horrible people, and completely forget about the whole "freedom of association" thing.
Because they're the ones running down their opponents with cars...
They have rules and any site that violates them are subject to them. Supporting violence should certainly get anyone booted.
Well, let's hope they apply the same rules to the self-styled "Antifa" facists.
Agreed. GoDaddy is a private corporation. They're not bound by the 1st Ammendment.
However, GoDaddy is full of crap. They claim that the web site violated their TOS by inciting violence, but the only thing that this clown posted there was calling the victim fat, childless, and useless. He was obviously a jerk-off, but he was not calling for violence.
GoDaddy was simply cowed by the SJWs, that's all. They aren't the first, they won't be the last, and this is simply a useful information to know: GoDaddy can be pressured and harassed into shutting down an unpopular web site that they host. Someone who believes that their content maybe controversial and unpopular, and may be targeted by left-wing rent-a-mobs, should not host it on GoDaddy.
That's irrelevant when it comes to the fact that service providers can stipulate their own conditions for providing their services and you're agreeing with them when contracting for the service.
Ezekiel 23:20
They're also free to start their own hosting company. The first amendment doesn't require others to let you use their press. In an ideal world every company would agree with you, but we don't live there and if GoDaddy thinks being associated with these people will hurt their business then they're obligated to ditch them.
Unless they're literal Nazis.
I mean, come on. They're fucking Nazis for chrissake. If your business model relies on not alienating Nazis, then there may be bigger problems than your profit/loss statement.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Unless you bake cakes, then you can't refuse service.
GoDaddy is legally within its rights to refuse or continue (further) service.
Funny how the right to refuse service covers those who refuse service to the right wing, but it ceases to exist when you're talking about Christian bakers who don't want to enter into contracts to make cakes celebrating gay weddings.
It's still censorship, even when political groups or corporations do it. And it's a standard left-wing procedure: silence anyone they disagree with.
You do realize that "Antifa" is an abbreviation for the German word for Anti-fascist, right?
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Yes, and "DPRK" is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
Funny how the right to refuse service covers those who refuse service to the right wing, but it ceases to exist when you're talking about Christian bakers who don't want to enter into contracts to make cakes celebrating gay weddings.
Funny how you take two situations and act like it's the exact same people who are making the decisions that you disagree with.
Hint: it isn't.
Just like how Obama didn't call the BLM protester who killed 5 cops in Dallas a terrorist.
"Oh, but that's different!" No, it really isn't. Both BLM and the Nazis need to go...they're both breeding violent, hate-filled people.
While I totally agree with this idea it has not always worked this way in practice, leading the right (esp the extreme right) to feel that it is "leftist" censorship. The case of the baker who refused to make a cake for a gay couple, was sued and lost shows that corporations don't always have the right to do business the way they want. As a libertarian I think GoDaddy should be able to refuse to host anyone they see fit and bakers should be able to refuse to bake cakes for whomever they don't want to. The inequity gives the appearance of favoritism for one side.
--- Tolerance is the axiomatic "virtue" of those without convictions ---
Seriously. Just shut up.
Modern liberalism, everyone.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ma...
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/...
and then there's Youtube. I could go on an on and on.
I could give two fucks what it ment in 1921. TODAY, the Antifa are a facist violent group of fucktards that should be labeled for what they are, a terrorist organization.
Life is not for the lazy.
What's ironic is they use fascist tactics. Beat everyone that opposes your viewpoint. They've been terrorizing every conservative event since the election. This is the first time they've actually run up against anyone as despicable as themselves.
And let the equivocation begin! Oh, those poor downtrodden Neo-nazis and White Supremacists. All they want to do is expel every black person, Latino, and anyone else in their long laundry list of people they hate.
Storm Front has the right to say what it wants. It has absolutely no right to force anyone else to carry the message for them.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
...every bit of content they are part of serving.
This kind of short-term virtue signaling on the part of a corporation is going to have long-term consequences, when people use this precedent to make them responsible for every shitlord post ever made on anything they're connected to.
Next thing you know, they'll be coming after GoDaddy for comments on articles, and naughty memes.
Yeah, well, now they're a terrorist group that campaigns against free speech and uses violence to silence anyone who opposes them. If you don't know this, you're seriously out of touch and you should stop talking about them like you know something relevant.
Yes and it was the Republican Party that freed the slaves so black people should vote for them right?
If this band of losers had called themselves "The Sons of Liberty" or some other organization or movement, you'd hardly suddenly support them because Samuel Adams did something 200 years ago under a similar name. The Patriot Act should have taught you how meaningless a name is.
Well, either he's a Nazi himself, or one of those pathetic alt-right types desperate to try to blame someone else for some repugnant Neo-nazi driving into a crowd of anti-Nazi protesters. Their champion, the current occupant of the Oval Office, is of similar mind, because he couldn't even bring himself to condemn a pack of evil White Supremacists. Just think about that, the President of the United States, the so-called "Leader of the Free World" is so afraid of angering his base that his direct utterances are basically exercises in moral equivalency, and it is left to others in his administration to insist that that represents an actual condemnation.
The United States has a immoral coward as its leader, but that's alright, since it appears his supporters are equally immoral and cowardly.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
You mean bike lock. You have your head in the sand if you think it's only name calling at this point.
They do. But they are also the legislature (creating rules), judiciary (determining, whether a rule is broken), and executive (acting on such determination) at once. Whether their action is sincere, or simply seeking to avoid boycotts and/or DOSing, they are wrong.
I do hate Daily Stormer with passion — since 2014, when they dismissed all of Ukraine's figures as "Jews" — if GoDaddy was Ok with them before, there is no reason to kick them out now.
Certainly not with such haste... 24 hours to move a site? Ridiculous...
The massive outrage about this is curiously selective. The "alt-right" are blamed for the violence even though they held their gathering and were attacked by the counter-protesters, who've been viciously violent before. All of the reports about the car charging into a crowd mention "melees" and "skirmishes" already occurring prior to that in passing. Oh, that's because someone died? Well, there were politically-motivated attacks with a deadly weapon before — sheer luck, that asshole merely injured his victims.
Lastly, much as the Nazist symbols and racism annoy me, they clearly have no real following and thus pose little danger. Meanwhile, the symbols of Communists and other hate-groups (like Black Lives Matter) were also on display and those, despite being far deadlier, do not seem to outrage anyone...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
If you're not a Nazi, what would you be doing marching in a parade with Nazis.
As they say, if the shoe fits...
You are welcome on my lawn.
Don't be a part of that. Ignore them, move on and leave them behind.
Yeah, because that worked so well in Germany in the 30s.
Punching somebody is a far-cry from being a fascist, ESPECIALLY when you're punching fascists. Neither does censorship make you fascist. Nor even authoritarianism.
You can stop right there so as to not waste anyone else's time. YES, violence is coercion, period. It's an act of statism. the Antifa are no less fascist than the DPRK is democratic.
Life is not for the lazy.
Antifa, BLM, KKK, Nazis, they are all just different acts in the same Shit Show. They are all extremists and bigots who think the other side has no right to express an opinion, or even live.
You, focusing on "rednecks" are also exhibiting a bigoted opinion.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Are they Confederate Nazi's then since they've got the battle flag flag proudly on display as well? They're adopting the symbols of other groups (that shared some or many of their views) in order to bolster their own self-image, and to some degree to garner attention. They don't see the Nazi's as bad, they see the Nazi's as people who shared some of their ideas and were really successful and want to be able to project that they'll be successful and powerful too.
They're too weak (and unoriginal) to create their own original banner, so they rely on some idea of they past they've glorified instead. I'll be far more worried when they unite under a new banner, a banner that doesn't carry any historical significance that might set off some alarm bells for people getting involved. You're not going to fool anyone when you walk around waving a Nazi flag and of those who do rally under it, many will only leave after experiencing the dreadful life that comes along with such causes, and some are beyond any redemption, being true believers in their cause.
They're a bunch of sad wanna-be's and I suspect that the sooner the world can help them realize that, the sooner some of them will quit.
The government is bound to allow free speech. A corporation doesn't have to put up with things they find objectionable. There are other options for those pushing hate and GoDaddy is certainly in the right here.
This is one of those very tough cases, to be honest. I believe that a website disparaging a counterproster at a nazi protest is utterly repulsive, and I didn't see the website so I don't know if they were encouraging others to do the same (the article [yes, I read it] is unclear on the exact content), but for the sake of argument let's assume the site simply discussed their twisted agenda and said lots of very mean and repulsive things, but did not make an explicit call to violence.
GoDaddy does not want to host the site. Fine. Will Twitter allow them to keep an account? I mean, they seem to turn a blind eye toward ISIS, but they too are a private company and don't have to enforce their ToS evenly. Let's assume Amazon does the same thing and disallows them to use AWS, and let's also assume Google blacklists the domain from ever showing up on a web search, because 'a corporation doesn't have to put up with things they find objectionable'.
Will their ISP disconnect their account if they set up their own web server and point their domain toward their own self-hosted web server if the ISP finds their message objectionable?
Freedom of Speech has had two interrelated issues in the information age. The first is that even free speech was far more limited when it was 'a dude on a soapbox' vs. 'another dude on a soapbox', or more specifically, printing presses and 'a dude on a horse', because the distribution model was still far more limited than what we have today. Would the first amendment have been phrased differently if it was viable to foresee this very situation at that time? I don't know.
The second issue is what I dub 'the corporate abstraction layer'. The government can't do X, but a corporation can, and the government can compel a corporation to do X, so X is done. The government gets to point to the corporation to prove they didn't do it, the corporation gets to point to the government compelling them to do it, and thus there are few repercussions to either. The government is bound to allow free speech, of which 'posting on the internet' has been included as per a number of court decisions. However, every means of exercising that right, at some point, passes through a corporation which is not required to adhere to the first amendment if they sufficiently disagree with the content.
We now find ourselves in this problematic situation. I loathe everything this group stands for and sincerely wish they would all stop. However, I do believe they have a right to place their message on the internet. GoDaddy is in a pretty bad spot right now, because they can either stand for free speech by siding with a group that is highly unpopular in the court of public opinion. For them to do so would likely result in a boycott, mass domain migration, and no shortage of bad press. For them, it would be the worst possible hill to die on, especially since it gives them a better public standing to ban them. On the other hand, they have set a precedent of banning 'sufficiently unpopular speech', which nobody cares about 'now'. 'First they came for the neonazis'...
Thus, we have found ourselves in a place where free speech is no longer a right, but a privilege granted by some combination of actuarial tables, NSLs, and the court of public opinion. As terrible and abhorrent as these protesters are, it is this very type of situation for which the first amendment must be clearly defined in the 21st century, and a platform be given equally for unpopular ideas as popular ones.
Thank you Slashdot, for allowing me to post my unpopular opinion.
The problem is that many of the rights we enjoy and that are enshrined in the Constitution are fundamentally incompatible with each other. Pretty much every right can be exercised in a way that infringes on a different right.
Given that, it is the proper role of government to try to establish a balance of sorts, so that when rights clash against each other, there is some established set of rules by which you can determine who wins.
All such rules are, of course, compromises and restrict rights. There's really no way around that. So you want to have the fewest such rules as possible -- but some such rules are mandatory.
The "protected classes" thing is one such compromise.
He condemned hatred on both sides because there is racism and hatred on both sides. The only reason why there has been this reassurance of white supremacy is because white racism is fashionable and the left have been "feeding the trolls" so to speak.
Censoring, no platforming, and violently protesting legitimizes anyone.
Are CBS journalists fascists now too? The problem with groups that condone violence against anyone, even people limited to some smaller group or part of the population, is that eventually the definition of that group will change and the lines will blur.
There have always been Nazis or Nazi-like groups in the US. One of the reasons it took so long for us to directly enter WWII was the large quantity of Nazi sympathizers in the US.
It's an attractive worldview for some of the downtrodden, because it makes your crappy life the fault of other people and grants you permission to hate and attack those other people. For those of not-modest means, it can be the justification for why you are so well off, and again grants you permission to hate.
I am not sure how you come to the conclusion that he Antifa are 'statist', since they are pretty obviously antagonizing the police (the arm of the State). And they certainly are not facist, except in the obvious non-tolerance of other opinions. Facism requires more than that: a desire for a strong central authority (typically a government), and typically a focus on a homogenous group set apart from others.
Antifa have more in common with anarchists than facists.
Note that all three of these groups often feel that violence, sometimes even terrorism/mass killings, can be justified in advancing their political goals.