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GoDaddy Expels Neo-Nazi Site Over Article On Charlottesville Victim (bbc.co.uk)
Reader Big Hairy Ian writes: Web hosting company GoDaddy has given a US neo-Nazi site 24 hours to find another provider after it disparaged a woman who died in protests in Virginia. The Daily Stormer published a piece denigrating Heather Heyer, who was killed on Saturday after a car rammed into a crowd protesting at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville. GoDaddy had faced calls to remove the white supremacist site as a result. The web host said the Daily Stormer had violated its terms of service. "We informed the Daily Stormer that they have 24 hours to move the domain to another provider, as they have violated our terms of service," GoDaddy said in a statement on Twitter. Previously, some web users had called on GoDaddy to remove the site -- including women's rights campaigner Amy Siskind. Violence broke out in Charlottesville, Virginia, after white supremacists organised a controversial far-right march called "Unite the Right".
No one is debating whether they have the right, you fucking autist. We're debating whether they should. Why do liberals always try to reframe the discussion?
Why do alt-righters immediately have to devolve discussions into violence and hostility?
Corporations should not have opinions on social matters.
Depends. GoDaddy is legally within its rights to refuse or continue (further) service. If the site calls for and supports continued violence, GoDaddy is (at least morally) obligated to report such calls to the relevant authorities and to discontinue service. You (or whoever you intended) could sue all you wanted, but it would go approximately nowhere, and it would further invite scrutiny and monitoring from the FBI (if you're in the US), or similar.
The only (slight) worry I have over this is that such sites will start burrowing into the Dark Web, where the general public cannot see and ridicule them for what they are. I can predict without looking that many of these sites are already there. Maybe that's a good thing - keep the bastards in the dark where they belong. But then, being able to easily point to something and show others "you can see what these chuckleheads actually believe right here (link)" is a good educational tool against folks who want to spread misinformation.
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I have long said that, in the west, the biggest censorship issue is private company not wanting certain speec and thuis relegating offline where it can die or spread the rot unbeknown. I feel split on the issue , my anti nazi side feels happy that the daily stormer get dinged, but my anti censorship side see the clear problem here.
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So those guys displaying swastikas, giving Nazi salutes, chanting "blood and soil", one wearing a t-shirt that said "Nazi" on it... Those guys weren't Nazis?
It wasn't a small group or one or two people, it was large numbers of them and the others there did nothing to stop it, didn't ask them to leave and didn't leave themselves when the chanting started.
It was organised by nationalists, including the ex-Grand Wizard of the KKK. But those are two sides of the same coin.
No need to be pedantic about the exact terminology. You had Nazis marching in your streets, not even bothering to cover their faces any more.
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It's not censorship or a violation of freedom of speech. All they did was cancel the hosting of the site. The site is free to purchase hosting services somewhere else.
Are they still free to purchase hosting services within the US, though? Anti-terrorism laws apply to that kind of extremist content.
Well good thing for them Trump refuses to call them terrorists, or even mention them at all.
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Glad to see I wasn't the only one that thought of mid 1930s Germany when they saw pictures of hundreds of young men marching around in (citronella tiki) torches.
Yeah I thought the same thing, you know what it reminded me of? When the nazi's started fighting back against the antifascists(aka antifaschistische aktion) who were violently assaulting people in the streets, at protests and so on. All the while screaming that they "really the good guys." This doesn't occur in a vacuum, not in the least. Gee did ya note the similarities between the current antifa and antifaschistische? That they're both communists, hold the same beliefs, and both had political backing. I mean look at professor bikelock(Eric Clanton), or Tim Kaine's son(Woody Kaine) who was charged with assault along with his friends who were also antifa.
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what about discrimination laws?
What about them?
All businesses are free to discriminate against people for any reason whatsoever, unless the reason is on the short list of protected classes (age, gender, religion, etc.)
A business can refuse you service just because they don't like the clothes you wear, the car you drive, your hair color, or even just because they're in a bad mood.
Glad to see I wasn't the only one that thought of mid 1930s Germany when they saw pictures of hundreds of young men marching around in (citronella tiki) torches.
Yeah I thought the same thing, you know what it reminded me of? When the nazi's started fighting back against the antifascists(aka antifaschistische aktion) who were violently assaulting people in the streets, at protests and so on.
You do realize that that article you linked to states that Antifaschistische Aktion formed in 1932, nearly a decade after the Beer Hall Putsch? The AA might have been a continuation of the RFB, but even the RFB was formed in 1924. The SA/Brownshirts were formed in 1920/21. Hard to paint antifascist groups as the violent aggressors with a timeline like that.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
So those guys displaying swastikas, giving Nazi salutes, chanting "blood and soil", one wearing a t-shirt that said "Nazi" on it... Those guys weren't Nazis?
Well that's a good question now isn't it? Because the person who put this thing together(UTR) goes by the name of Jason Kessler. Who right up until November 2016, was an avowed leftist, democrat supporter, proud obama supporter, and so on. We'll use the SLPC's own database on that. And he suddenly established a new organization called "Unity & Security For America" in January of 2017. Now one can't forget either that he was working for CNN at one point.
Now you can ask what does this have to do with anything. Well it's starting to smell a lot like "bird dogging" something that democrats did several times during the RNC primaries, and during the 2016 presidential race. This is right out of the playbooks of Scott Foval and Bob Creamer, who were pushed out of the DNC when it came to light that they had been paying protesters to be violent at rallies. The most famous case of this was the near-riot in Chicago.
Now go read these two articles here and this article here. Then ask yourself why this organization's event(UTR) was announced on the facebook page of the Traditionalist Workers Party. Sounds very right-wing to me, doesn't it comrade. That's the same organization with ties to Yvette Felarca(of By Any Means Necessary or BAMN fame), who was arrested in relation to starting a riot....in California. I'll let you guess which one.
And now, we go off to the races. I'll say, there's a chance, a possibility that a devout democrat that deep could flip and support Trump. I've met them, the other stuff just doesn't seem to match up on the other hand. Especially the announcements.
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False equivalency - the fascists would deny rights or even life itself to groups of people, antifa are counter protesting those who support genocide, there is no moral gray area here.
By default, no class was protected. But then we noticed some classes needed protection, because they were being treated like shit by people like you. Because as a society, we're not heartless animals, we created legal constructs such as protected classes to help those people.
No classes are protected in humanity's "default state" because classes don't exist. We define them, and we decide who needs protecting. It's all so complicated to stupid people.
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Fuck off Nazi. Nazism is not protected speech, it is incitement to murder, genocide even. We fought a World War and held the Nuremberg Trials to establish this, it is incumbent on you Nazi apologists to demonstrate why the Nazis were right and the Trials were wrong.
"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
What's ironic is they use fascist tactics.
Yes. Because they work best against the Fascists. Just like the worst fires are fought with fire. So you fear the Antifa? Well, Mr. Fascist, booh-hooh-hooh.
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If they are unemployed, it's usually because they had been undercut by cheaper labor from South America, jobs have been offshored or that affirmative action policies block them from government and other public sector jobs. That in itself drives the racism.
There are those people in the USA and UK who think globalism and austerity measures are a good idea because it keeps prices down, or rather the overhead of wage demands down.
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Actually, political affiliation is considered one of the protected attributes. So there is a narrow argument could be made that this is discrimination on the basis of a political affiliation (that being with a white suprematist moment).
That's a very narrow argument, because they weren't kicked out because of any affiliation, but because of their actions. It was their actions that violated the TOS, not their beliefs.
I would much rather their arguments be calmly refuted.
Yeah, they would rather you do that too, it's easier for them to walk all over you if you just remain calm and try to reason with them. The guy driving the Challenger probably loves calm, rational debate. Start with him, sit down and have a nice chat.
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