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From Google To Yahoo, Tech Grapples With White Male Discontent (bloomberg.com)

Reader joshtops shares a Bloomberg report: Google isn't the only Silicon Valley employer being accused of hostility to white men. Yahoo and Tata Consultancy Services were already fighting discrimination lawsuits brought by white men before Google engineer James Damore ignited a firestorm -- and got himself fired -- with an internal memo criticizing the company's diversity efforts and claiming women are biologically less suited than men to be engineers. The Yahoo case began last year when two men sued, claiming they'd been unfairly fired after managers allegedly manipulated performance evaluations to favor women. They claim Marissa Mayer approved the review process and was involved in their terminations, and last month a judge ordered the former chief executive be deposed. TCS, meanwhile, is fighting three men who claim the Mumbai-based firm discriminates against non-Indians at its U.S. offices.

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  1. Re:False representation/slander? by m00sh · · Score: 3, Informative

    The memo not only does NOT make the claim that women are less suited to tech roles and leadership roles, it makes the counter claim, that men have designed those roles to make them less friendly to women and that by altering those roles we can improve diversity and decrease the gender gap.

    But I've yet to see a single neoliberal source treat the memo honestly, every neoliberal source I've seen treats Damore radically different than his behavior reflects. I don't agree with everything he says, but to claim he is against diversity is straight slander here.

    He says hiring standards had been lowered for diversity.

    Maybe he should have hiring standards had been changed, or hiring standards had been altered to accommodate but he said LOWERED.

  2. Re:False representation/slander? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

    He says hiring standards had been lowered for diversity.

    True. But he doesn't say that is because women are inherently less capable, but inherently less interested, so the standards have to be lowered because the female candidate pool is shallower.

    Disclaimer: I am just trying to clarify what James wrote. I am not agreeing with it. I like working with chicks.

  3. Stop lying about what the memo said! by K.+S.+Van+Horn · · Score: 5, Informative

    "an internal memo... claiming women are biologically less suited than men to be engineers."

    Goddamnit, have you people no shame whatsoever? THE MEMO DOES NOT SAY THIS. Why do you keep on repeating this lie?

  4. Re:False representation/slander? by sexconker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except it was supported by his sources.

  5. claiming women are biologically less suited by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oh my god stop lying. He made no such claim. Stop pushing your agenda down my throat. Fuck

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  6. Re:Not a white male... by Cederic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, in the UK it's legal to hire a woman ahead of a man. To hire someone that's BME ("black or minority ethnic", a phrase in use in the UK) instead of someone that's white.
    Then there's the funding available for things like university grants.
    Plus there's the fact that women can retire with a state pension at a younger age than men.
    Perhaps you weren't aware that poor white boys have the lowest educational outcomes in the country right now?
    I'll close on the constant attacks in the media. Some are subtle, some are downright nasty, and many tacitly support anti-white and/or anti-male writings on less formal channels.

    Being blamed for all the woes in the world, getting no credit for individual achievement because of "privilege", seeing laws passed that discriminate against your gender and/or race? Yeah, I wonder how white men think they are being oppressed in this society.

  7. Re:Need vs Politics by avandesande · · Score: 3, Informative

    When I was a early teenager I became aware that there was a technical jobs thing at the local army base for high school students but when I went to apply I found out it was only for minorities. It didn't matter that parents were divorced and we were dirt poor being white was too much.

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  8. Re:Need vs Politics by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Now, obviously foreigners (non-citizens) face massive systematic discrimination (perhaps even to the point of oppression) by the US government - facing severe restrictions on living and working and traveling anywhere...

    As they do everywhere in the world to a greater degree than in the US. Although only a few countries still have explicitly racial immigration policies (Japan), most countries are not as used to diversity as the US.

    In the US, the only right a naturalized citizen does not have is to become President, because this is an exception specified in the Constitution. In a certain neighboring country, the list of restrictions is a little more extensive.

    Under the Mexican constitution, naturalized citizens are prohibited from serving in a wide array of positions, mostly governmental. Naturalized Mexicans cannot occupy any of following posts:

    The Mexican military during peacetime[5]
    Policeman[5]
    Captain, pilot, or crew member on any[dubious – discuss] Mexican-flagged vessel or aircraft[5]
    President of Mexico[6]
    Member of the Congress of Mexico[7]
    Member of the Supreme Court of Mexico[8]
    Governor of a Mexican state[9]
    Mayor or member of the legislature of Mexico City[10]