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NASA is Sending Bacteria Into the Sky on Balloons During the Eclipse (cnbc.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: As the Moon blocks the Sun's light completely next week in a total solar eclipse, more than 50 high-altitude balloons in over 20 locations across the US will soar up to 100,000 feet in the sky. On board will be Raspberry Pi cameras, weather sensors, and modems to stream live eclipse footage. They'll also have metal tags coated with very hardy bacteria, because NASA wants to know whether they will survive on Mars. Every time we send a rover to the Red Planet, our own microorganisms latch on to them and hitch a ride across space. What happens to these bacteria once they're on Mars? Do they mutate? Do they die? Or can they continue living undisturbed, colonizing worlds other than our own? To answer these questions we need to run experiments here on Earth, and the eclipse on August 21st provides the perfect opportunity. The balloons are being sent up by teams of high school and college students from across the US as part of the Eclipse Ballooning Project, led by Angela Des Jardins of Montana State University. When Jim Greene, the director of planetary science at NASA, first heard that over 50 balloons were being flown to the stratosphere to live stream the eclipse, he couldn't believe his ears. "I said, oh my god, that's like being on Mars!" Greene tells The Verge. NASA couldn't pass on the opportunity.

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  1. Just like Mars... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    "50 balloons were being flown to the stratosphere to live stream the eclipse, he couldn't believe his ears. "I said, oh my god, that's like being on Mars!""

    Wow. He actually said that out loud?

    1. Re:Just like Mars... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      And offended all the women on Venus at the same time.

    2. Re:Just like Mars... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. It's all CGI and Earth is flat indeed. That only proves this fact.

    3. Re:Just like Mars... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      my first thought exactly. where did he get the idea that mars A- has weather balloons and B - equals our moon blocking out the sun? I really hope its more of a typical bad summary from the /. editors

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    4. Re:Just like Mars... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Right, I would think arctic balloons at winter dusk would be a better test.

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    5. Re:Just like Mars... by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      But NASA no longer has enough money to send up balloons. They were grateful to be able to seize this opportunity to hitch a ride on these students' balloons, it's the only way they can get an experiment up to the upper atmosphere these days after all the funding cuts. At least that's what I understood from the summary...

    6. Re:Just like Mars... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Those women on Venus are hot though.

    7. Re:Just like Mars... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you have to think like a scientist. The sky isn't blue on Mars, and the moon blocking the sun is close to a nonblue sky as we are going to get. You say, that's so not thinking like a scientist. But I could say, hey, it was a bad example of thinking like a scientist.

  2. I don't get it by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Since our moon cannot get between Mars and the Sun, why is this done now?

    1. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since our moon cannot get between Mars and the Sun, why is this done now?

      The eclipse does not matter. What is key is that "balloons were being flown to the stratosphere." In order to test whether bacteria would survive on Mars, the best experiment would be to send up bacteria to a high altitude. Since it just so happens balloons are being sent up to film the eclipse, Jim Greene realized he could just piggyback on that launch without having to arrange his own.

    2. Re:I don't get it by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      Since our moon cannot get between Mars and the Sun, why is this done now?

      Nasa wants everyone to have a good view of the eclipse, even their pet bacteria. They really need to get out of the lab more.

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    3. Re:I don't get it by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      That is the worst cover story for a mad scientist I've ever heard.

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    4. Re:I don't get it by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      I had no idea NASA funding had gotten this bad, that they are this excited about the opportunity of letting their experiments hitch a ride on students' balloons.

    5. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the night side of our earth a rolling eclipse? I don't get how would the environment in our atmoshpere under a solar eclipse caused by the moon would be any different from the environment in our atmosphere under a solar eclipse caused by earth itself (night) ...

    6. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the night side of our earth a rolling eclipse? I don't get how would the environment in our atmoshpere under a solar eclipse caused by the moon would be any different from the environment in our atmosphere under a solar eclipse caused by earth itself (night) ...

      Have you heard of the biological clock 'theory'? To start with, a sudden darkening of the day messes up with the biological clock of a host of creatures. Not to mention other subtle effects. It's pretty different than the run-of-the-mill night time.

    7. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  3. Bacteria can not colonize mars by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    They have no ability to grow potatoes on shit.

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    1. Re: Bacteria can not colonize mars by UrbanMonk · · Score: 1

      Hm...what about psychedelic mushrooms? Maybe we can put mushrooms on these balloons as well.

  4. crowded skies that day by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    lots of aircraft flying through the eclipse along with some nuts who will try to keep up. yeah, they can't, but they're nuts.

  5. Infowars is ready by glomph · · Score: 1

    Can't wait to hear what the chemtrails loonies have to say about this one.

    1. Re:Infowars is ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm waiting for the AGW crowd to go off half cocked about how this is polluting the atmosphere.

  6. 99 Luftballons by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Of course NASA is releasing bacteria into the sky on balloons during the eclipse. It's the fucking end times.

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  7. 100k ft is not even close to space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The Kármán line, or Karman line, lies at an altitude of 100km (62mi; 330,000ft) above the Earth's sea level, and commonly represents the boundary between the Earth's atmosphere and outer space.[2] This definition is accepted by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI), which is an international standard-setting and record-keeping body for aeronautics and astronautics.

    1. Re:100k ft is not even close to space by gnick · · Score: 1

      Balloons encounter difficulty when they run out of atmosphere. Flying contraptions that don't have this difficulty have other complications that make them considerably harder to come by than balloons.

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    2. Re:100k ft is not even close to space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They want to test whether bacteria will survive on Mars, so their goal is to match the temperature/pressure/radiation on Mars, not to match the temperature/pressure/radiation in space.

    3. Re:100k ft is not even close to space by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Mars has an atmosphere, it's not outer space.
      It has about half the pressure on the surface as Earth does at 100,000ft

      If you can get up to 120,000ft, the pressure is higher on Mars

  8. How can NASA talk about Mars with a straight face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when we haven't even been to the moon yet

    follow the money

  9. Mars is the new black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You want to sell your wacko theories? Stick the word Mars in there somewhere. Did you know that Mars is 100% gluten free?

    Seriously, we need to quit with the whole Mars thing. It's just a waste of time, money, and attention span. Nobody alive today will ever relocate to Mars. NASA has said they haven't even started working on landers, habitation, or return vehicles.

  10. What happens ... once they're on Mars? by Nutria · · Score: 1

    They die, because there's nothing for them to eat.

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    1. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Explain, then, how they survive the trip.

    2. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      In-flight snacks.

    3. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you quite certain? Five peanuts could support the bacteria by themselves, true, but all that salt will surely kill them.

    4. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by the_skywise · · Score: 2

      You insensitive clod - don't you know that all bacteria have peanut allergies?!

    5. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      How long can bacteria survive in a hostile environment (for the definition of "hostile" specific to that bacteria) without food (for the definition of "food" specific to that bacteria)?

      Even if they go into hibernation/stasis because of the harsh environment on the trip, what would prompt them to revivify when they reach the equally harsh environment of Mars?

      Thus: are there bacteria that can eat perchlorates and breathe CO2? If not, then there's little worry that we'll accidentally contaminate Mars.

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    6. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Compared to space, even the harsh environment of Mars is positively balmy

    7. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      That doesn't answer the question, "are there bacteria that can eat perchlorates and breathe CO2?"

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    8. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      "eating" and "breathing" are functions of more complex life forms than what we are talking about here. There are organisms that can survive, and even thrive, practically anywhere in space, even on the moon. The CO2 martian atmosphere and the toxicity of its soil would not be any danger to them at all.

    9. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      "eating" and "breathing" are functions of more complex life forms than what we are talking about here.

      Bacteria most certainly do eat, even though there's no mastication or alimentary canal, and the definitely do breathe, even though it's called respiration.

      There are organisms that can survive, and even thrive, practically anywhere in space, even on the moon.

      The gig's up. Now I know you're trying to troll me.

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    10. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Clearly you didn't even *TRY* to google it.

    11. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      LOL.

      Clearly, you didn't even try to read https://www.space.com/11536-moon-microbe-mystery-solved-apollo-12.html?

      "The claim that a microbe survived 2.5 years on the moon was flimsy, at best, even by the standards of the time," said John Rummel, chairman of the Committee on Space Research (COSPAR) Panel on Planetary Protection. "The claim never passed peer review, yet has persisted in the press -- and on the Internet -- ever since." [Coolest New Moon Discoveries]

      The Surveyor 3 camera-team thought they had detected a microbe that had lived on the moon for all those years, "but they only detected their own contamination," Rummel told SPACE.com.

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    12. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Touche, but since we are talking about Mars and providing references: how about these? The last one even explicitly mentions microbes that can survive on perchlorates.

      It's a fairly safe bet that the environment of Mars will not pose any threat to the types of life that could survive the journey unprotected, in the vacuum of space, far colder than even the coldest night on Mars.

    13. Re:What happens ... once they're on Mars? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      See, that wasn't so hard!

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  11. Nu-NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So that's the new post affirmative action NASA? Instead of sending people to the moon they tie Raspberry PIs to balloons and launch them during an eclipse because the eclipse is special?

  12. The craft are sterilized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every attempt is made to prevent our contamination of another world with our life. Otherwise, if we find life, could we be sure that we didn't seed it from Earth?

  13. don't know about science but this can be fun by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    I haven't RTFA so will just jump in with a comment (like everybody else). There might be some science, perhaps inspiring youth can get hands-on experience that includes defining the experiment, gathering resources, arguing with others on payload (balloon can't carry everybody's favorite package), design tradeoffs, performing useful tests, meeting deadlines, pulling a lot of allnighters and not freak-out when things don't go according to plan. But predicting the flight and have the balloon stay in the area of totality, get some awesome pictures ON YOUR OWN (team) CAMERA instead of downloading from high flying airplanes like everybody else. It can all be like a carnival atmosphere. Be sure you have proper viewing googles and put away the phone.

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  14. I got the chills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thinking about all the microorganisms we've sent into space and the science fiction stories that could be written about them. Is that how we got to Earth? Another species's planetary bacteria? Is that what we are?

  15. Contamination without NASA's help by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    I suspect Earth and Mars cross-contamination by microbes exists even without NASA's help.

  16. www.al-awa2el.com by ShadyOsama · · Score: 0
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  19. Cuz, ya know... by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    ...the eclipse presents an environment that is exactly like Mars, so the data is very important. And, no, we're not sending anything else up for any other reasons and not giving details on it, either.

  20. V all over again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't this ultimately back fire when we tried to get rid of the invading Lizards?