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Neo-Nazi Site The Daily Stormer Moves To Dark Web After Shutdown (vice.com)
After being shutdown by Google and GoDaddy, prominent neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer has moved their site to the dark web. "The new site is now only available through the Tor network, which allows users to set up their own domains," reports VICE News. "The original site, Dailystormer.com, is now fully offline." From the report: The homepage, as of Tuesday morning, contained articles that make light of the car ramming attack that claimed the life of 32-year-old Heather Heyer; admonish the "Jew media;" liberally employ various racial epithets; and, in a less offensive post, provided an update on which characters are available on Pokemon Go. In a statement, the site's founder promised to bring his site back online. "The Daily Stormer will be live in internet prison with drug dealers, terrorists and perverts, which is where we've been exiled to, for all time," Andrew Anglin said in a statement sent to VICE News. "We should have a real domain online within 24 hours. If it gets shut down again, people will know we are on the black web."
The Good: It drives the "weekend Nazis" away, and they'll simply get bored and go back to being irrelevant.
The Bad: The real Nazis will embrace this, and will gladly slither into the depths.
The Ugly: Government agencies now have a valid excuse to obtain funding for exponentially increasing the number of exit nodes under their control.
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Great, now where am I supposed to go for my Pokemon Go updates?
Debate? What debate?
I think it's hilarious that all the self-styled "libertarians" here are freaking out about private businesses choosing not to host material they see as potentially harmful to their bottom line.
This is a textbook example of the free market regulating itself. No one wants the bad publicity of hosting these chuckleheads, and they certainly can't provide the dollars needed to make hosts consider carrying heir content a worthwhile business decision.
And before you say "but muh First Amendment!" that only applies to the government you so loathe. In fact, the government is the ONLY instiution that actually has the power to protect free speech.
So let these Nazi shits scuttle off to the dark web. No one is stopping them from posting their drivel there, and unless they create a clear and present danger to public welfare, no one is going to interrupt their supremacist fantasy circle jerk.
No kidding, I haven't checked out the site but damn the summary is comedy gold:
admonish the "Jew media;" liberally employ various racial epithets; and, in a less offensive post, provided an update on which characters are available on Pokemon Go.
I am just imagining some guy in a KKK outfit screaming about the liberal media while chasing down a squirtle in the Bronx. Maybe that is how they plan their rallys, by pokestops?
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the (supposed) good of its victims may be the most oppressive
Now we can't mock the posts, debate the facts, or keep tabs on the threat.
Mocking racists and Nazis online is little more than entertainment, and it's the lowest of hanging fruits, at that. Debating facts is moot; when the premise of the debate is "our race is superior to all others and should lead the world," you're already playing chess with a pigeon. As for keeping tabs on the threat--a concern of consequence--I can only imagine that the people who do this for a living are already pretty well-versed in tracking people on the Dark Web.
Nothing will get better; rather, these vile sentiments will fester, and we'll have a tougher time anticipating the next Charlotsville, since it won't be so widely publicized.
These vile sentiments will fester regardless, but that very lack of publicity will also keep the numbers of people doing this low. You lose visibility, you lose the lightweights and hangers-on. You lose numbers. You lose clout. You lose efficacy. That is worth a great deal.
Obliteracy: Words with explosions
Why can't we handle these things like we always have.
That's the wrong question. We are handling things like we always have. Look at how these issues have been handled over the past 200 years or so, and I think the question you'll want to ask is "why can't we handle these things any better than we used to?"
The one that would normally prevent the country from being torn in two by radical extremists killing anyone they didn't think was on their side.
Note that this is LITERALLY how the Nazis gained power in Germany. First they fought in the streets with communists, then they got blackballed/arrested, then Hitler wrote his infamous book, and the people were persuaded to his side.
So keep going, Commies, if you want to wind up in death camps like your predecessors, alongside a lot of other "undesirables".
in addition to being a drug dealer and pedophile?
In many individual cases, probably Yes.
"We should have a real domain online within 24 hours. If it gets shut down again, people will know we are on the black web."
A bunch of neo-Nazis have to use the black web, that's hilarious.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Nope, anybody with the Tor browser can.
The only loss here is for the Nazis. The site is now harder to access, harder to find, and to boot now it's open season to go and try to hack the site. Tor protects the identity of the user, so now any random hacker wannabe can go and try their skills against the site without much of a risk of being found out.
The same anonymity means it's also far harder for the Daily Stormer from banning people from the site -- unless they want to make it really hard to access, like requiring referrals. So this development also makes it very possible to simply troll and spam the site into oblivion.
Either it's hard to use Tor or it isn't.
If it's hard then it will be harder to keep tabs on them, but it will also be harder for them to get their message out to their own idiot followers. Sounds like a wash to me.
Or, using Tor is easy, in which case nothing really changes except that they have been demoted to the dark web and lose some legitimacy.
I think I would also prefer to just have people be free to say whatever they want in a public forum, but I don't support forcing private web hosting companies/domain services to participate in spreading content they are opposed to.
As far as I can tell these neo nazis still have freedom of speech for the time being. So the government can't legally stop them from being on the internet. They just need to find services that are willing to do business with them, or develop some better IT skills and set up their own domain service/web host, and they can refuse service to all the dirty Jews trying to use it.
In America you have freedom of speech. You don't have the right to anyone's help in spreading your speech.
Actually people were persuaded because he predicted that the Jews (who he claimed controlled the banks) were loaning Germany money in order to wreck their economy as further revenge for WWI.
Then the US (and other) stock markets crashed, and the banks tried to "call in" Germany's debt. Which tanked their economy and caused insane inflation.
So then people started thinking, "hey this Hitler guy actually was right."
"Antifa" is a virtue signal for right-wingers, a way to show that you're a part of them and not of the "lying media". Another signal is "Soros" who is apparently hiding behind every corner.
Debating facts is moot; when the premise of the debate is "our race is superior to all others and should lead the world," you're already playing chess with a pigeon.
And to those pigeons, I'd like to rephrase a popular Trump and Trump supporter remark: Both the Nazis and the South lost; get over it.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Then the US (and other) stock markets crashed, and the banks tried to "call in" Germany's debt. Which tanked their economy and caused insane inflation.
Hardly, because the Weimar hyperinflation took place in 1923, when stock markets all over the world were still romping in boundless prosperity.
The inflation took place because the 1919 treaty of Versailles required Germany to pay a huge restitution to the Allied countries, and in gold. This stripped the backing from the Reichsmark, causing it to inflate away to nothing, as in Zimbabwe and Venezuela. When everyone saw their savings and pensions become worthless, it was easy for a rabble-rouser to rise from the trenches to claim that "they" had stabbed the country in the back.
But unlike Nazi Germany, our economy is actually doing quite well. Just because Trump ran a campaign that declared that the U.S. economy was spiraling down the drain doesn't make it so. When Germans in the 1930s were disappointed with the economy, it was because many of them were literally starving to death. Modern Americans who think our economy is doing poorly are detached from reality (most likely because they're stupid and don't know how to judge the veracity of whatever they read on the internet or hear on talk radio).
"From the depths of my skeptical and rationalist soul, I ask the Lord to protect me from California touchie-feeliedom."
The modern Neo-Nazi pretty much mirrors the view of their spiritual forebears. If you're not espousing Aryan superiority, then you're either a emasculated collaborator with the Jewish conspiracy or a Communist (in some Neo-Nazi's eyes one and the same). I realize the parent may not be a Nazi, but the rhetoric of the White Supremacy movement has been adopted with extraordinary fidelity by the Alt-right, though I suspect most members of the Alt-right are too naive or stupid to realize it.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Or maybe you're full of shit. Our economy amounts to employers claiming "we can't find any workers" while simultaneously offering fuck all in the way of pay, benefits, or workplace conditions. When you look at their job postings, it's all unrealistic and inflated credentials desired for effectively entry-level or one step above. Nobody who actually has the credentials wants to do that work, and companies aren't loyal to their employees.
That is all shit I can speak for personally, as well as everyone I know. I can run job searches right now that prove it. Where's *your* source? Things being great for the middle class does not overshadow the troubles of the poor. A great number of Americans are being swept under the rug (i.e. they don't count toward unemployment or other "bad" numbers) and smug, useful idiots like yourself are led to believe things are great.
Put up or shut up.
The alt-right is made up of several different sub-groups, each with slightly differing but largely overlapping ideology. You have white supremacists, nationalists, simple racists, Nazis, MGOTW, 4chan's /pol/ board, "new media" like Brietnbart and InfoWars...
Basically any far right group that benefits from the support network of fake news outlets and which hates the standard set of boogymen (Jews, non-whites, feminists etc.) is quite likely to be part of the alt-right.
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