Neo-Nazi Site The Daily Stormer Moves To Dark Web After Shutdown (vice.com)

After being shutdown by Google and GoDaddy, prominent neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer has moved their site to the dark web. "The new site is now only available through the Tor network, which allows users to set up their own domains," reports VICE News. "The original site, Dailystormer.com, is now fully offline." From the report: The homepage, as of Tuesday morning, contained articles that make light of the car ramming attack that claimed the life of 32-year-old Heather Heyer; admonish the "Jew media;" liberally employ various racial epithets; and, in a less offensive post, provided an update on which characters are available on Pokemon Go. In a statement, the site's founder promised to bring his site back online. "The Daily Stormer will be live in internet prison with drug dealers, terrorists and perverts, which is where we've been exiled to, for all time," Andrew Anglin said in a statement sent to VICE News. "We should have a real domain online within 24 hours. If it gets shut down again, people will know we are on the black web."

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Good Job

[AdamStarks]

Now we can't mock the posts, debate the facts, or keep tabs on the threat. Nothing will get better; rather, these vile sentiments will fester, and we'll have a tougher time anticipating the next Charlotsville, since it won't be so widely publicized.

Good job, fuckwads.

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[Anonymous Coward]

The dark web? So it's www.darkweb.net?

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[Anonymous Coward]

Debate? What debate?

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[Ryanrule]

When has that ever helped?

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[Mr. Shotgun]

No kidding, I haven't checked out the site but damn the summary is comedy gold:

admonish the "Jew media;" liberally employ various racial epithets; and, in a less offensive post, provided an update on which characters are available on Pokemon Go.

I am just imagining some guy in a KKK outfit screaming about the liberal media while chasing down a squirtle in the Bronx. Maybe that is how they plan their rallys, by pokestops?

Re:Good Job

[sobachatina]

I agree with your sentiment. I just hope whatever I think isn't someday deemed unworthy to say by American tech companies.

Still, if no one knew about the Charlottesville thing then no anti-protesters would have shown up. The vanishingly small number of nazis would have had their little hatefest and been properly ignored. No one would have gotten hit by a car.

Why can't we handle these things like we always have. Let them have their platform and ignore them. Let the FBI worry about whether they are planning actual violence.
This modern idea of given massive attention to a handful of radicals and then killing their free speech is frightening.

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[American AC in Paris]

Now we can't mock the posts, debate the facts, or keep tabs on the threat.

Mocking racists and Nazis online is little more than entertainment, and it's the lowest of hanging fruits, at that. Debating facts is moot; when the premise of the debate is "our race is superior to all others and should lead the world," you're already playing chess with a pigeon. As for keeping tabs on the threat--a concern of consequence--I can only imagine that the people who do this for a living are already pretty well-versed in tracking people on the Dark Web.

Nothing will get better; rather, these vile sentiments will fester, and we'll have a tougher time anticipating the next Charlotsville, since it won't be so widely publicized.

These vile sentiments will fester regardless, but that very lack of publicity will also keep the numbers of people doing this low. You lose visibility, you lose the lightweights and hangers-on. You lose numbers. You lose clout. You lose efficacy. That is worth a great deal.

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[Nidi62]

If the government can keep shutting down drug marketplaces on the dark web, I'm pretty sure they can monitor a neo Nazi website. And if they don't, the SPLC or something similar certainly will

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[Luthair]

I dunno, it will be a lot harder for people to casually find or actively use. We aren't exactly talking about the most sophisticated users of technology.

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[JohnFen]

Why can't we handle these things like we always have.

That's the wrong question. We are handling things like we always have. Look at how these issues have been handled over the past 200 years or so, and I think the question you'll want to ask is "why can't we handle these things any better than we used to?"

Re: Good Job

[desdinova 216]

in addition to being a drug dealer and pedophile?

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[Anonymous Coward]

The one that would normally prevent the country from being torn in two by radical extremists killing anyone they didn't think was on their side.

Note that this is LITERALLY how the Nazis gained power in Germany. First they fought in the streets with communists, then they got blackballed/arrested, then Hitler wrote his infamous book, and the people were persuaded to his side.

So keep going, Commies, if you want to wind up in death camps like your predecessors, alongside a lot of other "undesirables".

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[JustAnotherOldGuy]

...debate the facts,

Lol, "debating the facts" with neo-nazis and right-wing nutjobs...yeah, good luck with that. Half of them think the Earth is flat and the other half consistently have trouble putting their shoes on correctly. So yeah, not being able to "debate the facts" with them is a real loss.

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[crunchygranola]

This is promising topic of discussion. Which Pokemon are the most "Nazi"?

Re: Good Job

[godel_56]

in addition to being a drug dealer and pedophile?

In many individual cases, probably Yes.

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[vadim_t]

Nope, anybody with the Tor browser can.

The only loss here is for the Nazis. The site is now harder to access, harder to find, and to boot now it's open season to go and try to hack the site. Tor protects the identity of the user, so now any random hacker wannabe can go and try their skills against the site without much of a risk of being found out.

The same anonymity means it's also far harder for the Daily Stormer from banning people from the site -- unless they want to make it really hard to access, like requiring referrals. So this development also makes it very possible to simply troll and spam the site into oblivion.

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[TsuruchiBrian]

Either it's hard to use Tor or it isn't.

If it's hard then it will be harder to keep tabs on them, but it will also be harder for them to get their message out to their own idiot followers. Sounds like a wash to me.

Or, using Tor is easy, in which case nothing really changes except that they have been demoted to the dark web and lose some legitimacy.

I think I would also prefer to just have people be free to say whatever they want in a public forum, but I don't support forcing private web hosting companies/domain services to participate in spreading content they are opposed to.

As far as I can tell these neo nazis still have freedom of speech for the time being. So the government can't legally stop them from being on the internet. They just need to find services that are willing to do business with them, or develop some better IT skills and set up their own domain service/web host, and they can refuse service to all the dirty Jews trying to use it.

In America you have freedom of speech. You don't have the right to anyone's help in spreading your speech.

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[denzacar]

Registeel.

Also, Team Rocket are pretty Nuremberg too.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Actually people were persuaded because he predicted that the Jews (who he claimed controlled the banks) were loaning Germany money in order to wreck their economy as further revenge for WWI.

Then the US (and other) stock markets crashed, and the banks tried to "call in" Germany's debt. Which tanked their economy and caused insane inflation.

So then people started thinking, "hey this Hitler guy actually was right."

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[Anonymous Coward]

You bring up valid historical facts, and I don't disagree really with your jabs at both sides.. But you would have got more people to listen if you just left out the last line, meh.

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[fahrbot-bot]

Debating facts is moot; when the premise of the debate is "our race is superior to all others and should lead the world," you're already playing chess with a pigeon.

And to those pigeons, I'd like to rephrase a popular Trump and Trump supporter remark: Both the Nazis and the South lost; get over it.

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[Anonymous Coward]

they do it in game chat. The trick is figuring out which game.

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[Applehu Akbar]

Then the US (and other) stock markets crashed, and the banks tried to "call in" Germany's debt. Which tanked their economy and caused insane inflation.

Hardly, because the Weimar hyperinflation took place in 1923, when stock markets all over the world were still romping in boundless prosperity.

The inflation took place because the 1919 treaty of Versailles required Germany to pay a huge restitution to the Allied countries, and in gold. This stripped the backing from the Reichsmark, causing it to inflate away to nothing, as in Zimbabwe and Venezuela. When everyone saw their savings and pensions become worthless, it was easy for a rabble-rouser to rise from the trenches to claim that "they" had stabbed the country in the back.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, let's silence people. Free speech is only for those who can fit comfortably in our echo chamber.

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[djinn6]

These vile sentiments will fester regardless, but that very lack of publicity will also keep the numbers of people doing this low. You lose visibility, you lose the lightweights and hangers-on. You lose numbers. You lose clout. You lose efficacy. That is worth a great deal.

For them, right now. However, if you keep pushing minority opinions to the dark web, eventually everyone will end up on the dark web, because everyone has a few unpopular opinions.

Besides, you're delusional if you think killing this one site will actually do anything. As long as demand exists, new ones will pop up to replace it (just like torrent and streaming sites), they'll be bigger and more popular than ever before. And the demand will continue to exist until you address the real problem: poverty and deterioration of white communities in America. In fact, the more you try to shut them down, the more they think you're the enemy, when it's globalization and automation that's really causing the problem.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Interresting how foreign politics that does not equal facism somehow equals communism.

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[RazorSharp]

But unlike Nazi Germany, our economy is actually doing quite well. Just because Trump ran a campaign that declared that the U.S. economy was spiraling down the drain doesn't make it so. When Germans in the 1930s were disappointed with the economy, it was because many of them were literally starving to death. Modern Americans who think our economy is doing poorly are detached from reality (most likely because they're stupid and don't know how to judge the veracity of whatever they read on the internet or hear on talk radio).

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[slack_justyb]

Nothing will get better; rather, these vile sentiments will fester

Hey there. Wasn't sure if you knew when WWII was, because this crap has been festering since then. Also then was before the Internet. So while you're not wrong there. Having them out in the open on the Internet didn't slow them down, having them go into the darker side of the Internet won't slow them down, the only thing people can do is continually reject their ideology every time it pops up. Just like we'll have to remind everyone from time to time why you vaccinate your kids. Success in one area leaves a vacuum for ignorance to grow in.

we'll have a tougher time anticipating the next Charlotsville, since it won't be so widely publicized

Oh that's good to know that the guy posted online that he was about to ram his car over someone. That would make it premeditated wouldn't it? You'd think the DA would have brought that up in the formal charges brought on the guy?

Good job, fuckwads.

You're welcome, see you next time this inevitably happens again and we all have this exact same conversation about slippery slopes and forcing them into the darkness. Human nature is fun like that.

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[MightyMartian]

If that logic held, everyone would have been subscribing to all those boutique white supremacy periodicals being distributed via snail mail forty years ago.

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[MightyMartian]

The modern Neo-Nazi pretty much mirrors the view of their spiritual forebears. If you're not espousing Aryan superiority, then you're either a emasculated collaborator with the Jewish conspiracy or a Communist (in some Neo-Nazi's eyes one and the same). I realize the parent may not be a Nazi, but the rhetoric of the White Supremacy movement has been adopted with extraordinary fidelity by the Alt-right, though I suspect most members of the Alt-right are too naive or stupid to realize it.

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[AdamStarks]

Is there any evidence that shutting down drug marketplaces has actually done anything to curb drug use or harm criminal organizations? Everything I've read about the war on drugs, etc, has indicated the exact opposite: drug use increases & criminals thrive. Which is kind of my point about this nazi stuff, it thrives in darkness.

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[AdamStarks]

I'm not advocating we force content providers to host hateful content, but I also think it's a mistake to publicly force them to drop said content.

And yeah, I get the difference between government suppression of speech vs private/personal/business censorship... but I didn't bring that up. Since you did, though, my view is that freedom of expression is as much a cultural construct as it is a legal one, and that they reinforce each other; therefore, both are worth defending.

My main point is that driving stuff underground (alcohol, drugs, the sex trade, etc) often backfires. That doesn't mean legalize murder, rape, etc, and there will always be a dark underground, but we should be careful about forcing political beliefs into that space.

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[AdamStarks]

Uh, it was anticipated. Or do you think the counter-protestors all popped in via magic portals?

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[Anonymous Coward]

Modern Americans who think our economy is doing poorly are detached from reality

Or maybe you're full of shit. Our economy amounts to employers claiming "we can't find any workers" while simultaneously offering fuck all in the way of pay, benefits, or workplace conditions. When you look at their job postings, it's all unrealistic and inflated credentials desired for effectively entry-level or one step above. Nobody who actually has the credentials wants to do that work, and companies aren't loyal to their employees.

That is all shit I can speak for personally, as well as everyone I know. I can run job searches right now that prove it. Where's *your* source? Things being great for the middle class does not overshadow the troubles of the poor. A great number of Americans are being swept under the rug (i.e. they don't count toward unemployment or other "bad" numbers) and smug, useful idiots like yourself are led to believe things are great.

Put up or shut up.

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[Captain Splendid]

and we'll have a tougher time anticipating the next Charlotsville

Fuck me this is dumb. Unless you happen to be an FBI agent assigned to a domestic CTU, it's not your fucking job to anticipate the next attack. The Daily Stormer being banished to the dark web is their problem, not anyone else's.

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[TooManyNames]

I thought that a central tenet of the Alt-right ideology was White identity. While not technically identical to White supremacy (the thinking isn't that Whites are superior per se, but rather that racial homogeneity -- Whiteness in this case -- is necessary for functional society), identitarianism is closely related. Given that neither identitarians or supremacists are going to find much mainstream support, do you really think they're going to split hairs on the supremacy point when they're ideologically so close, and hurting for allies?

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[Mal-2]

GoDaddy didn't give a shit about "killing the site". Neither did Google. They just wanted to disavow any connections between themselves and said site. I can guarantee that both companies consider the job completed, and wherever the Stormfronters may manage to find hosting is of no concern to them. They no longer look bad by association, and advertisers aren't scared away by it.

Make no mistake about it, it's those advertising dollars that drive Google's decision-making process. Not freedom, not ideology, not truth, but the Almighty Dollar. Public companies don't do the Right Thing, they do the expedient thing, which sometimes (but not always) ends up aligning.

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[thegarbz]

Now we can't mock the posts, debate the facts, or keep tabs on the threat. Nothing will get better; rather, these vile sentiments will fester, and we'll have a tougher time anticipating the next Charlotsville, since it won't be so widely publicized.

Good job, fuckwads.

Are you one of those people who thinks the Dark web is some deep impenetrable force rather than just the popular media name for something you need to download a program to read? Get a grip.

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[Anonymous Coward]

No it's black web, they say it at the end. White supremacists on the black web, that's ironic.

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[mikelieman]

Don't you worry. NSA be all up into TOR...

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[DrXym]

Of course you can. Load the page in an anonymizing browser from the dark web and mock the posts, debate the facts, or keep tabs on the threat. It might even embolden the *cough* technically challenged operators and denizens of the site to say or do something that earns them an raid.

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[AmiMoJo]

I wish I had a clip of that Republican politician explaining it. A reporter pointed out that the crime stats say that crime is down under Obama, but he counters that people "feel" like crime is up. And people's perception is an equally valid alternative form of truth in his opinion.

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[AmiMoJo]

The alt-right is made up of several different sub-groups, each with slightly differing but largely overlapping ideology. You have white supremacists, nationalists, simple racists, Nazis, MGOTW, 4chan's /pol/ board, "new media" like Brietnbart and InfoWars...

Basically any far right group that benefits from the support network of fake news outlets and which hates the standard set of boogymen (Jews, non-whites, feminists etc.) is quite likely to be part of the alt-right.

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[shilly]

We *are* pretty careful, are we not? This has happened only to a neo-Nazi website. Communism, libertarianism, and of course the alt-right all have many thriving websites.

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[AmiMoJo]

Effort needs to be concentrated where it will have maximum impact. At the moment that's the presidency, and POTUS's apparent support of white nationalists and neo-Nazis.

Trump has actually done a lot to unite the left, the centre and the moderate right in a common cause.

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[shilly]

Is there any actual evidence that:
1. Daesh got moved to the dark web
2. They have blossomed
?

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[shilly]

Do you think Nazis actually plot on the Daily Stormer? Are you nuts? They gloat, but they don't plot there. Plotting is done f2f or through private encrypted messages

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[mvdwege]

eventually everyone will end up on the dark web Yes, Germany is such a good example of a state where noone ever says anything because it all got pushed underground after they outlawed Nazism.

Stop being stupid. There are two sides here: Nazism, and the right side. Pick yours.

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[shilly]

Um. There are no doubt already a ton of Nazi sites on the dark web where you *already* can't mock the posts, debate the facts, or keep tabs on the threat. Also, Nazi f2f gatherings, and encrypted private chats. What's happened here is that Nazis have lost one high-profile public recruitment tool. High profile matters for recruitment, so this is a significant blow against them.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I'm glad to see someone other than me equating the two.

The whole "we'll boycott things we don't like and try to destroy people we don't like" was a popular tactic of the far right forever, now the far left does the same thing and suddenly it's not pure evil?

Both sides in this debate have crossed the moral event horizon. At least to someone who believes in freedom and equality.

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[Maritz]

Not exactly an epic thinker, are you?

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[RobMiles8519]

Because it's been working so spectacularly well with them in the open? I get what you're saying, but mocking the posts, debating facts, and keeping tabs on the threat hasn't exactly done a lot to keep them down. The kinds of people who are drawn to their vile bullshit aren't going to be persuaded by ridicule or facts; shit, just look at the Trump supporters on Facebook to see what I'm saying. If you really feel that strongly about keeping tabs on them, you can find them on the dark web without too much trouble. And if it is too much trouble for you, consider that it might be too much trouble for those weak-minded people who might be persuaded by their crap.

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[Bacon Bits]

In America you have freedom of speech. You don't have the right to anyone's help in spreading your speech.

Unless it's Verizon, Comcast, Charter, or AT&T?

If network neutrality is vital to a free and open internet, then at some point *all* infrastructure services -- web hosts, DNS, SSL providers, search engines -- should be held to the same standard. If Google decided to remove your site from search results, is it reasonable to say, "just use Bing"? What if IANA or ARIN decided that your site should be excluded from services?

Who gets to decide what should be excluded from your internet?

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[Whibla]

What a day to have no mod points...

Wise words indeed!

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[Chas]

Watch Tim Pool's videos of his time at the G20.

Where merely being in a picture taken of a supposed "nazi" was enough to get people stalked and violently attacked.

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[AmiMoJo]

The site is almost certainly leaking all kinds of information about its visitors and the server it is on. Setting up a Tor site is actually kind of hard, and just moving a clearweb site to the dark web is bound to be problematic without a substantial rewrite.

References to clear-web content (especially script), time-zone information, unprotected configuration files and databases...

And just being on Tor doesn't help them anyway. The site still has to be hosted somewhere. Most hosts are not keen on Tor sites in general. Chances are if they can find a site willing to host a Tor server they would be willing to host it on the clearweb anyway.

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[SirSlud]

That new The Atlantic article, "How America Lost It's Mind" is a really good article about how feelings have been embraced as a valid form of truth in the states.

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[AmiMoJo]

Losing isn't a reason to give up or be quiet though. The anti-EU crowd lost the 1975 referendum, campaigned for 40 years and then won Brexit. Now the pro-EU people are campaigning to cancel or at least reduce the damage from Brexit, and eventually re-join.

As someone who is pro-EU, I can guarantee that I'll never "get over it". It's fucked things up too much for that, and even if it takes decades it can be fixed.

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[drinkypoo]

But unlike Nazi Germany, our economy is actually doing quite well.

No, and also no, and have I mentioned no?

Our economy is doing quite shit. And the information is right there if you want the truth, not the comforting lies like the "unemployment rate", which has been a blatant out and out lie as long as I can remember.

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[houghi]

Either it's hard to use Tor or it isn't.

It can be both. You need to have access to TOR, but once you do it is just as easy.

That means that for people who want to read about them, there is an extra step and that can be too cumbersome or hard so they will not bother.
The people who want to track them (not talking about some script kiddies) will already be tracking other websites, so for them it is not harder.

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[Mashiki]

You should probably go look at the actual crime statistics then. Because while they're at lows, especially violent crime in many places. They are going back up, some places are now worse then they were during the 1970 oil crash, or the crack-cocaine epidemic in the US. Hell even here in Canada, while crime is down in many places in others it's going through the roof in others. A good example would be Ottawa, which has had 12 shootings last year...which were surpassed last month. Toronto? Same. More shooting in the same period in half a year. More assaults, more stabbings, more theft over $1k, more violent robberies, more violent robberies with firearms.

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[Mashiki]

The alt-right is made up of several different sub-groups

No, the alt-right is made up of the alt-right. Otherwise, you belong to antifa, bamn, and violent communists. Identity politics is cancer, and every time you promote it, you spread that cancer just a little bit more.

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[stealth_finger]

Yes, good one, morons. For the sake of virtue-signalling, you've pushed the Nazis into a place where they can plot in peace with no-one to point out what idiots they are.

Hope you'll be happy when they're putting you in death camps in a few years.

If all it takes is a site on the darkweb to do some plotting then I hope you'll be looking forward to my actual happy camps I'm going to put you in. Right, off to plot.

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[kilfarsnar]

I wish I had a clip of that Republican politician explaining it. A reporter pointed out that the crime stats say that crime is down under Obama, but he counters that people "feel" like crime is up. And people's perception is an equally valid alternative form of truth in his opinion.

The thing is, on a personal level, perception is reality. If someone holds the opinion that crime rates are going up, or the economy got worse under Obama, then that is the truth to them. You can come along with your studies and statistics that show that crime is going down. I would not say you are wrong. But to someone who didn't arrive at their opinion by studying the facts, and rather came to it by listening to Rush Limbaugh, your stats aren't going to matter.

If you are talking about a scientific study, then people's opinions are not a valid form of truth. Controlled experimentation and observation are the truth. But if you are a politician trying to convince people to vote for you, their opinions are absolutely a form of truth. People consider their opinions to be correct; otherwise they would not hold them. More sophisticated thinkers might admit that their opinions are probably correct. Catering and pandering to those opinions gets you votes. So I'm not surprised a politician would see things that way.

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[AmiMoJo]

That's just double-talk. Wikipedia has a good article on the alt-right, including many sources more reputable than you.

The alternative right is just the far right attempting to replace the moderate right in mainstream politics. They have had some success too, having guys like Bannon in the White House and a president who they see as being supportive. The moderate right, especially in the Republican party, should be doing more to protect their movement because the alt-right is doing it immense damage. Not just with stuff like this, but with alternative facts and the pantomime at the top of your government.

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[0100010001010011]

Now we can't mock the posts, debate the facts, or keep tabs on the threat.

Is your darkwebs broken? You can do it just as you could before. With less threat of them blowing back. Hell you could probably script up an ipsum generator to fill their forums with noise.

Additionally it's going to filter out their core base: Uneducated rural white Americans.

• Tor is already slow enough. I haven't even tried it on dialup yet (which some of my surrounding townships & counties are still on). I also don't know how it handles the latency of WISP or satellite (which is the only solution for some wanting faster than dialup).
• While I consider it trivially easy to get on. We're talking about people that type 'google' into bing.com because that's where the Internet button takes them.

After suggesting this very thing yesterday: I was thinking though how to be subversive about this.

1. Rebrand TorBrowser as MeinBrowser. Claim to remove all code submitted by 'inferiors'.
2. Claim to need bitcoin to keep running.
3. Add the tiniest of backdoors.
4. Let it gain momentum.
5. Release all personal details. I would not be shocked at all if there were a considerable amount of law enforcement and politicians in certain areas visiting these sites.
6. Pop corn and law chairs.

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[0100010001010011]

Has there been any evidence of them shutting down a drug market where the admin didn't make an amateur mistake? Using your old hotmail account to setup a site, trying to use you service to have someone killed, etc.

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[cyberchondriac]

Not to mention, it will force all of it's subscribers to improve their IT skills since surfing the dark web is not as simple as pointing default IE to a site anymore.
This will result in an increase in tech saavy racists, in the long run; I think it's doubtful many will just throw up their hands in frustration and give up that easily.

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[liquid_schwartz]

But unlike Nazi Germany, our economy is actually doing quite well.

The economy might be doing quite well but since the 1% do not pay their share of taxes then the government borrows ever more. Debt can take down a country, not unlike a 1930's Germany.

Re: Good Job

[liquid_schwartz]

Hush now, you know that you can't challenge a protected class. It's anti-semetic of you to point out the obvious you Nazi. PS - yes I'm using sarcasm, yes your facts are correct and yes the Fed is a scam that operates in plain daylight.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Nobody who actually has the credentials wants to do that work, and companies aren't loyal to their employees.

There is a huge difference between 1930s Germans and self-important American "workers" who would rather not work.

When masses of Americans are starving in the streets, then we can consider them equal.

That is all shit I can speak for personally, as well as everyone I know.

Maybe you need to learn a new trade. All of you.

Things being great for the middle class does not overshadow the troubles of the poor.

Being poor always sucks. The reason that 1930s Germany went off the rails is simple; virtually everyone was affected.

As long as most Americans are still doing pretty well, the country will be fine.

Your problem is that you go online to cry about your problems with other radical nutjobs instead of doing something to address the problem directly. This is why you get little respect from productive citizens.

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[TooManyNames]

This post really needs to be seen.

I'd have made several of your points if you hadn't already done so... I mean, MGTOW, 4chan, and "new media?" You can have genuine, meaningful disagreements with those groups, but they're clearly not all alt-Right, drawing instead from several backgrounds that aren't identity based.

When it comes down to it, figureheads of the alt-Right -- as in those vocally advertising their membership -- all advocate, at the very least, White identity. Other right-leaning -- even far right -- groups do not (ex. the so-called alt-Lite).

The irony is that AmiMoJo's remark proves the whole point the alt-Right was making in their "unite the Right" rally: namely, those to the right, regardless of whether they embrace White identity or not, will be lumped in with those who do, so such people may as well relent (to pressures pushing -- and pulling -- them to the alt-Right). The more readily people are dismissed and coarsely grouped as some evil other, the more readily they will actually embrace that other identity. The only thing misguided labeling strategies accomplish is the production of more people actually deserving of such labels.

Guess I should dig in for another term of Trump

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[Mashiki]

No wikipedia does not. It contains no objective sources, the page is camped by people pushing an agenda, the sources that it uses hold no objective facts either. The entire article itself is a giant editwar just like the gamergate page. This is kinda funny coming from a person who said that even if something was proven as false, you wouldn't believe it regardless.

And no, the alt-right isn't the far right, anymore then a liberal is a SJW, or progressive. For someone from the UK, you understand so little about US politics though it's almost funny. You could do well to spend a decade in Canada and watching it in action.

Re:Good Job

[kilfarsnar]

When your relatives (deleted children, because, you probably didn't manage to breed) are dead due to violence in the streets, you can thank your communist brothers (briefly, before you go to the gulag) for thinking that, this time, communism will work.

Who's talking about Communism? The 1980's called, they want their political boogeyman back.

Re:Good Job

[Cederic]

the actual stated views of idiots

Yeah, the BBC article on GoDaddy's actions said (before it was updated to include the news from Google) that it wasn't going to repeat the heinous slurs.

So I decided not to let the media tell me what's acceptable and what's not, and went hunting.

This vicious disparagement may well have upset the woman's family but I just looked at it and thought, "How fucking childish?!"

Sharing their words will cause ridicule and a loss of support. Hiding their words grants them victimhood.

Re:Good Job

[whitroth]

Right, got it. Lie back, and think of the flag.

Screw you. They didn't do that in Russia during the Revolution, and they beat your kind.

Stalin was another story for another day, that should have died before he took power.

Re: Good Job

[MightyMartian]

I love how the alt-right attacks identity politics, even as they are its biggest practitioners.

Re:Good Job

[iwbcman]

Gosh I am just shakin in my boots, our Anonymous Coward just issued a threat. Are you even old enough to use the word communist? Little boy go home and play with yourself. Nice troll though, have to give you credit. Man up and drop the AC, or shut the fuck up. I for one am sick and tired of of providing cover for your ilk under the guise of freedom of speech. Your freedom of speech ends when you equivocate those who would terrorize us(the KKK, Nazi's and the so-called 'Alt-right') with those of us who fight against terrorism. You can howl into the night and scream to your hearts discontent but when I hear equivocators like you all I really here is:

"Which side are you on, boys, which side are you on"

We won't kill you for what you say, but when you die we will bury you. We were here before you and and after you are gone we will raise your children to be better.

THIS machine kills fascists.

Re: Good Job

[Anonymous Coward]

Our economy amounts to employers claiming "we can't find any workers" while simultaneously offering fuck all in the way of pay, benefits, or workplace conditions. ...

Your somewhat shrill complaint that the economy is not really doing well reduces to a very valid gripe about increasing inequity in the distribution of wealth. Corporations and Wall street have become more efficient at grabbing GNP. The distribution of wealth becomes even more concentrated in the top 0.001% while the middle class shrinks and the poor grow.

This is not a stable condition Trump is the product of this instability. People are desperate for a change and ready to believe any snake-oil huckster promising a cure.

Re:Good Job

[djinn6]

How do you know Germans aren't secretly discussing Nazism underground? Racists in all those other European countries are up in arms about the muslim situation. You think they wouldn't have any sympathizers amongst Germans?

There are two sides here: Nazism, and the right side. Pick yours.

My side is the side that allows ideas to be debated, because ideas don't die when you censor them, they die when they're proven wrong. Your side is the side that can only see things is black and white.

Re:Good Job

[mjwx]

Now we can't mock the posts, debate the facts, or keep tabs on the threat. Nothing will get better; rather, these vile sentiments will fester, and we'll have a tougher time anticipating the next Charlotsville, since it won't be so widely publicized.

You couldn't do that before.

They were echo chambers, any dissent was shut down, mocked, ridiculed or just deleted so that the group think was never challenged. If you posted a disagreeing or even slightly contrary view, you were moderated or banned. Hell, I would not be surprised if you would even get doxxed. The site owners already had an environment where only the vile sentiments were permitted and allowed to fester.

Now their crap wont be referenced. New members wont know how to join (lets face it, Neo-Nazi's are not terribly bright). They are going to fade away into nothing. So bloody good job.

Re:Good Job

[mjwx]

The one that would normally prevent the country from being torn in two by radical extremists killing anyone they didn't think was on their side.

Note that this is LITERALLY how the Nazis gained power in Germany. First they fought in the streets with communists, then they got blackballed/arrested, then Hitler wrote his infamous book, and the people were persuaded to his side.

You could have just written "I don't know how the Nazis came to power". It would have been faster than that crap.

The Nazi's didn't just fall into power because some angry little man wrote a book. After they were finished fighting the Bolsheviks. The Sturmabteilung (SA or the Brown Shirts) enforced Nazi power at the local level. Dare to oppose the Nazis, you got the shit beat out of you by semi-uniformed thugs. Dare to protest in the wrong neighbourhood, you'd disappear. It ended up getting to the point where the SA would stand over elections to ensure you voted correctly.

The Nazis gained power by intimidating people just enough that they'd start to believe what the Nazis told them.

The only way they could have been stopped is before the Beer Hall Push (that's what got Hitler arrested) by the government nipping violent organisations in the bud, long before the Nazis got strong enough to openly start beating people in the street with no consequences. The Nazis gained power not just because they gave the people someone to (wrongfully) blame, but because they enforced their political ideology through violence... a lot like the current Neo Nazis are trying to do.

Re:Good Job

[jacks0n]

I'm very concerned that all these statue removals will lead to poke-stop removals. rampant destruction of pikachu habitat!

Re:Good Job

[Chaset]

This is amusing because a few years ago, there was news that Muslim countries were trying to constrain/ban Pokemon using propaganda that claimed Pokemon was a Jewish plot to weaken the minds of their youth. So Pokemon might be Jewish and Nazi at the same time.

Re:Good Job

[TsuruchiBrian]

Unless it's Verizon, Comcast, Charter, or AT&T?

ISPs are basically utilities, and there are/should be rules that treat them as semi-public institutions. Any person may or may not have access to choices of ISPs, but in most places there are restrictions to starting your own ISP. As a private business you are not able to start digging up the streets to lay down your own fiber lines.

If network neutrality is vital to a free and open internet, then at some point *all* infrastructure services -- web hosts, DNS, SSL providers, search engines -- should be held to the same standard. If Google decided to remove your site from search results, is it reasonable to say, "just use Bing"?

Yes! it is! There is nothing sopping anybody from starting their own search engine, and lot's of people have done exactly that. Google is simply the most successful one. Google is a private business, providing a private service. They don't require any special privileges to do this (unlike ISPs).

Who gets to decide what should be excluded from your internet?

No one. Google is not "the internet". Google is part of the internet that is owned and controlled by Google.

Re:Good Job

[TsuruchiBrian]

I think it is both. The 2 scenarios I presented are 2 extremes on a continuum.

Re:Good Job

[TsuruchiBrian]

I don't think anybody forced anybody to do anything. I see no violations of the freedom of association. All I see is some groups of people that no longer agree to mutually associate.

"Driving things underground" can mean a lot of things. I think one connotation is synonymous with making some kind of activity illegal. Many things on the dark web are indeed illegal, but this isn't one of those things. It *could* be on the real web if there were *any* tech companies willing to associate with them (including one they create themselves). My guess is that they probably could find a host on the real web if they really tried, but going on the dark web is easier for now.

I am totally opposed to literally forcing them onto the dark web (i.e. by criminalizing the speech itself).

If some company came along and offered to host any kind of speech (no matter hoe reprehensible) in the name of free speech (e.g. EFF or someone similar, etc), I would not be opposed to that. In fact I'd probably support them. We don't need the 1st amendment for popular speech.

But I also support the rights of private organizations who do not want to make freedom of speech their priority.

And yeah, I get the difference between government suppression of speech vs private/personal/business censorship... but I didn't bring that up. Since you did, though, my view is that freedom of expression is as much a cultural construct as it is a legal one, and that they reinforce each other; therefore, both are worth defending.

I agree they are worth defending. If GoDaddy or Google had decided to (continue to) host/link to the site in the name of free speech using your argument, I would have supported that. But I think that public opinion should be used to sway Google who should have the ultimate decision, as opposed to using public opinion to sway legislators into forcing Google to do something they don't want to (either forcing them to take down the site, or publish it)

Re: Good Job

[Meski]

It isn't a valid form of truth, but what happens if most people are acting as if their perceptions are the truth?

Re: Good Job

[KGIII]

Change .onion to .onion.to and you can access the sites without any need to install TOR.

Re:Good Job

[mvdwege]

History has proven you wrong. Nazism has never thrived in societies that actively suppressed it, starting with hanging the bastards at Nuremberg.

Even now Germany has a lesser extreme right presence in politics than the rest of Europe. The AfD has trouble even reaching the minimum 5% votes threshold. The numbers give the lie to your Nazi apologia.

Re: Good Job

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

That was part of it, sure, but saying that's the main reason is a huge oversimplification. The violence against the Nazis during the early stages of their growth, as well as the (very unpopular) state's attempt to suppress them, definitely helped them out.

Re: Good Job

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

How was this drivel modded up so much?

Re: Good Job

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

Your counter to "our economy is doing quite well" is a dropping labor force participation rate (we have an aging population), a report that shows declines in virtually every population of homeless people (absolute numbers, which means the rate per capita is dropping even more), and a report that says young people are staying with their parents more, but also says that lack of jobs isn't the problem? Hmm. I would have looked for more convincing evidence myself, but you do you.

Re: Good Job

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

The alt-right is actually pretty different from the far right in several areas. The alt-right embraces identity politics much more than the far right does. Alt-righters tend to be more in favor of ethnostates, while the far right would prefer those darkies to just not be around, or at least much farther away. The alt-right is also extremely protectionist on trade, and somewhat isolationist on foreign policy (although that does have more variation).

Re:Good Job

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

Bullshit. You gloss over one of the key transition steps in your comment - "After they were finished fighting the Bolsheviks" yeah, and if the communists hadn't been attacking them in the streets, the SA wouldn't have been tolerated by the non-Nazis. The SA was founded because the Nazis were being attacked, and people accepted it because yeah, sure, if communists are attacking you in the streets then it makes sense to defend yourself.

If you don't want armed Nazis, don't attack them at their rallies or in the streets. The alt-right (which, while mostly not Nazis, certainly has some) wasn't going to marches armed until "antifa" (sarcasm quotes) started showing up and beating, macing, and stabbing them.

This Is Both Good and Bad News

[IonOtter]

The Good: It drives the "weekend Nazis" away, and they'll simply get bored and go back to being irrelevant.

The Bad: The real Nazis will embrace this, and will gladly slither into the depths.

The Ugly: Government agencies now have a valid excuse to obtain funding for exponentially increasing the number of exit nodes under their control.

Re:This Is Both Good and Bad News

[alvinrod]

The Ugly: Government agencies now have a valid excuse to obtain funding for exponentially increasing the number of exit nodes under their control.

I don't quite get this argument. Neo-Nazis are suddenly a valid excuse when child porn, illegal drugs, or arms dealing weren't? I mean half of the country likes their guns, even more like their drugs (even in they won't publicly admit it), but I don't think anyone is going to stick up for the kiddie diddlers. Even the Neo-Nazis have a better reputation than they do.

Re:This Is Both Good and Bad News

[IonOtter]

Eh, fair enough, I suppose?

I should have said "...now have additional justification to obtain funding..."

Re:This Is Both Good and Bad News

[Anonymous Coward]

This should speak volumes about the actual agendas at work behind the scenes here.

Re:This Is Both Good and Bad News

[ortholattice]

The Ugly: Government agencies now have a valid excuse to obtain funding for exponentially increasing the number of exit nodes under their control.

I'm not very familiar with Tor, but I thought exit nodes were to access normal web sites via Tor. Isn't it the case that a .onion address doesn't need an exit node? How will the government's controlling more exit nodes help?

Re:This Is Both Good and Bad News

[meglon]

You mean like this..... http://thehill.com/policy/nati...

Re:This Is Both Good and Bad News

[advocate_one]

The Bad: The real Nazis will embrace this, and will gladly slither into the depths.

The depths they've already been slithering about in?

Re:This Is Both Good and Bad News

[Afty0r]

The Ugly: Government agencies now have a valid excuse to obtain funding for exponentially increasing the number of exit nodes under their control.

Eh? Previously there were sites selling drugs, child porn, guns and materials to make boms from. But the agencies did *not* have a valid excuse to deal with them? Now, suddenly, there's a few random racist nutballs publishing a pseudo-newspaper on there and *NOW* that's enough to give them a valid excuse?

Re:This Is Both Good and Bad News

[cyberchondriac]

This: I forget which magazine it was now (HuffPost? Salon?) that actually had a pedophile apologist piece (that got pulled, I think?).
How many people would even imagine such a piece would even be written and considered for a cover story? And yet that is the reality.
Slowly the "stigma" of pedophilsim will be questioned in the "progressive" name of "understanding" and "love", and from there the slippery slope only gets worse. You watch, 10 to 15 years from now, it won't be fully legal but they will find excuses and ways to twist logic, perhaps dramatically lowering the age of consent, to reduce the penalties and stigma and fight, "hate".
There's no such thing as a permanent line in the sand.

Re:This Is Both Good and Bad News

[stealth_finger]

As far as I understand it (not very well) an exit node is where the data comes out of the dark web so to speak to be transmitted to you over the regular network. If they control the nodes they can potentially see what's going where negating the point. Could be wrong though, google probably knows.

Just great

[TimothyHollins]

Great, now where am I supposed to go for my Pokemon Go updates?

It's the equivalent of ...

[CaptainDork]

.. a hood.

Libertarians should love this outcome.

[Anonymous Coward]

I think it's hilarious that all the self-styled "libertarians" here are freaking out about private businesses choosing not to host material they see as potentially harmful to their bottom line.

This is a textbook example of the free market regulating itself. No one wants the bad publicity of hosting these chuckleheads, and they certainly can't provide the dollars needed to make hosts consider carrying heir content a worthwhile business decision.

And before you say "but muh First Amendment!" that only applies to the government you so loathe. In fact, the government is the ONLY instiution that actually has the power to protect free speech.

So let these Nazi shits scuttle off to the dark web. No one is stopping them from posting their drivel there, and unless they create a clear and present danger to public welfare, no one is going to interrupt their supremacist fantasy circle jerk.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[JustAnotherOldGuy]

I think it's hilarious that all the self-styled "libertarians" here are freaking out about private businesses choosing not to host material they see as potentially harmful to their bottom line.

Yep. Libertarians have always taken the Gold Medal in Hypocrisy.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[TimHunter]

Don't take AdamStarks comment too seriously. This is Slashdot. He's just doing his job as a complainer. If it wasn't him it somebody else would step up. If there was a news item saying that Bill Gates had volunteered to pay supermodels to give Slashdotters blowjobs, some commenter would find a way to complain about it. "But I shouldn't be FORCED to get a blowjob from a supermodel!"

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[doctorvo]

I think it's hilarious that all the self-styled "libertarians" here are freaking out about private businesses choosing not to host material they see as potentially harmful to their bottom line.

Except, of course, that the domain name system is anything but a libertarian construct.

But don't worry, it will be augmented by a system that is not controllable by either governments or big corporations.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[meglon]

I think you need to stop mixing up bullshit in your head before writing said regurgitated bullshit onto a page.

Or, say, a "private business" refusing to rent an apartment to a black family?

That is specifically illegal: http://civilrights.findlaw.com...

Would you be so cheerful if ISPs refused to say, host LGBTQ sites?

Federal courts have ruled that LGBTQ are a protected class under the Civil Rights Act https://www.lifesitenews.com/n... so, yes, that would be illegal on the part of the ISP. That's federal law. Now, the current administration would prefer that states be allowed to be petty tyrants and strip any citizen they want of their rights, so they've appealed the ruling.... we'll see how that turns our.

I'm pretty sure that it was settled that NO, private businesses do not get to pick and choose who they serve when the court determined the bakery DID have to make a wedding cake for the gay marriage http://aclu-co.org/court-rules...

IF you had read that article, you'd have noticed this little tidbit in there:

Longstanding Colorado state law prohibits public accommodations, including businesses such as Masterpiece Cakeshop, from refusing service based on factors such as race, sex, marital status or sexual orientation.

So yes, a state court in Colorado said the bakery was violating the state law.

I believe that was widely hailed as a precedent setting verdict that would stop those 'closed minded' businesses from constraining people's freedom ...like this.

The former was a federal court ruling LGBTQ is a protected class, and falls under the Civil Rights Act, the latter is a state affirming you have to follow the law. The federal ruling was precedent setting, the state one... not so much. Regardless.... neither of those apply to worthless fucking NAZI's, because not only are NAZI's NOT a protected class... they are enemies of the United States.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[MobyDisk]

Did Godaddy and Google cancel the domain name registrations, or the hosting services? It matters. The articles aren't technical and they keep mixing the terms.

Godaddy and Google can do whatever they want as hosting companies. There's a million of them and anyone with an unpopular view can just host the domain themselves if they have to.
Godaddy and Google are regulated monopolies as registrars. There's a small number of them and their license is granted by ICANN and not just anyone can become a registrar. ICANN rules forbid discrimination. Thank goodness they do, or my pro flying-spaghetti-monster libertarian web site could be shut down by those liberals!

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[Jiro]

Libertarians believe that decisions by private entities should be legal.

Libertarians do not believe that decisions by private entities should not be criticized, and libertarians don't equate "morally right" with "legal". They can think a decision by a private company is evil, and say so, even if they don't want the law to do anything about the company.

Unless the libertarians are demanding that the law should require that the private businesses serve everyone, they are not being hypocritical.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[MightyMartian]

Perhaps because there are Libertarians, and then there are alt-right types or worse masquerading as Libertarians to white wash their vile views. I think Libertarians, at least on economics, are hopelessly naive, but when it comes to issues of free speech, I tend in that direction. People have a right to speak their mind, but no one is under any obligation to hand them a microphone.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[JohnFen]

Did Godaddy and Google cancel the domain name registrations, or the hosting services? It matters. The articles aren't technical and they keep mixing the terms.

I've been trying to figure this out too. There's been a lot of incorrect and contradictory reporting.

Here's what I think happened (and I would love any corrections to this!): Godaddy was not, contrary to some reports, actually hosting the site. They simply decided they didn't want to be the registrar for the domain name. The admins asked Google to be the registrar, and Google said no.

That's pretty much it. As near as I can tell, the site never lost whatever host its using, it's purely a domain name registration thing. And, they were only rejected by two registrars. There's only several thousand more that can do the job.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[meglon]

It must be hell going through life as stupid as you are.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[shilly]

His ignorance is his bliss.

Re: Libertarians should love this outcome.

[basecastula]

Out of mod points. Please Mod UP

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[Whibla]

Here's what I think happened ... Godaddy was not, contrary to some reports, actually hosting the site. They simply decided they didn't want to be the registrar for the domain name. The admins asked Google to be the registrar, and Google said no.

Hmm, if this is the case it puts an entirely different complexion on the matter, and unfortunately not in a good way for GoDaddy. They probably won't lose their registrar status over it but that is technically now an option (if your read is correct, that is).

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[Voyager529]

The GP was a bit off on his examples, but the question is a bit more complicated. Refusing to sell a cake out of the display case because an individual is black/gay/Muslim/whatever, obvious discrimination, no question, both immoral and illegal. Events and work-for-hire, on the other hand, are where the ambiguity lies. If the cake bakers were asked to custom create a cake with swastikas for the neonazi rally, should they be allowed to refuse to take that job? I would agree that the bakery should be required to sell the neonazis a cake from the display case and a tube of red icing, but requiring them to enter a work-for-hire contract is, in my opinion, more ambiguous.

Bringing it back to the gay wedding scenario, the summary on the ACLU website is a bit vague on the difference between the two. The plaintiff in the case was indeed gay, making it a layup for a discrimination ruling to be made. The case would have been far more interesting if the plaintiff was straight, e.g. a caterer subcontracting a cake for a gay wedding. If the policy was "we don't make same sex wedding cakes, regardless of who asks", and both a straight person and an LGBTQ++ person received the same lack of service, then I would argue it's not 'discrimination' so much as 'a service that isn't offered', again, so long as the policy was posted and they're willing to sell an undecorated cake and a tube of frosting to that same person. Of course, it would have been really funny to watch the squirming that would take place if the cake was for "Alex and Taylor".

Just to ensure I don't get accused of comparing homosexuals to nazis, I'm explicitly not equating the two groups - and that's my entire point. Refusing service to a human is discrimination, and no, I'm not even a little bit in favor of doing so, to anyone. However, refusing to provide service to an *event*
  or *ideological group* irrespective of the individual representative signatory is...apparently the same thing though, according to the state of Colorado? The "protected class" argument is tough - "neonazis are not a protected class" makes some sense because one can choose to cease being a nazi (and really, they should), but does that mean that a cake baker can refuse to make a swastika cake for a straight neonazi, but not a gay one (yes, I know...)? Moreover, the "protected class" argument is tenuous due to its seemingly inconsistent definition. It's not as simple as 'Things that cannot be changed about one's self', because the quoted list includes 'marital status', which is optional. Though presumably not an exhaustive list, it also doesn't list religion, meaning that they would be free to refuse to make a 'Happy Ramadan' cake as long as the person asking was a white Muslim?

This brings us full circle to GoDaddy - If the individual paying for the hosting account for the website fell within a protected class in tangential relation to the content of the website, does 'protected class' overrule 'objectionable content'? Does 'private company choosing who they do business with' overrule both? Neither? If "protected class" wins, then all the neonazis need to do is have a gay person sign up for the hosting account, and then Godaddy *has* to provide them service. If "private company" wins, then there is no such thing as a "protected class" as long as the content is sufficiently objectionable.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[JohnFen]

That would only be true if there was no violation of GoDaddy's terms of service.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[JohnFen]

"Thousands" was hyperbole. But there are a buttload. Here's the list: https://www.icann.org/registra...

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[Altus]

I would do what any sane person would do if they don't like what a company is doing. I would cease to give that company any money and move the fuck on. And if its so important to you that a company host this site you are more than welcome to pull all of your sites from any company that rejects the business of storm front or whatever other group you like.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[meglon]

It's intent that matters (as i understand it). The bakery owner specifically stated that they denied making the cake because the individuals were gay.... placing it in the civil rights arena. Had they simply denied making the cake saying they couldn't do it, there may have been nothing the couple could do about it... but the bakery wanted to make a point of violating the law.

The difference would be, a company can say specifically they don't want NAZI's on their site because they're NAZI's, and get away with it. It's not about whether the NAZI is gay or straight, it's about them being a NAZI. And the point you make is valid... there's some things you can change, and some you can't.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[meglon]

No. You might think it would be the worthless type of shit that thinks it's moral to hunt Jews if some worthless piece of shit NAZI makes it legal, but i never will.

Good people will do good, bad people will do bad. You can make a religion that will use the promise of "heaven" to try to maintain order, which uses the carrot for the good to comply, or the stick to make the bad to comply, but the good will still tend to do good on their own, and the bad sill still tend to do bad regardless.

The problem is stupid fucks like you who can't seem to differentiate betwixt the two, and it has nothing to do with being a statist, or an anarchist (although most anarchist would be scare shitless little pissants in real anarchy).

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[MobyDisk]

I don't think Godaddy doesn't get to decide that. ICANN does.

Re:Libertarians should love this outcome.

[MobyDisk]

Is a registrar permitted to suddenly drop your domain? That sounds like it should violate ICANN rules.

Dark web?

[Ryanrule]

But I thought they hated darkies?

Re:good

[fizzer06]

nazis should be muzzled

Commies too? Asking for a friend.

"Incitement to violence"

[Anonymous Coward]

“Incitement to violence is not protected speech and the Daily Stormer regularly conducts such incitement, which is why we no longer provide it with any service"

Says the quote from a web hosting company. Interesting take but false according to the Supreme Court [Brandenburg v Ohio]. It must be incitement of imminent violence. Just talking about something is not the same thing.

If the site were actively planning riots, violent demonstrations, overthrow of governments, that would be different. But random chatter doesn't qualify.

Unless you have the backing to push your case, you're not going very far. The ACLU defended these in the past but I wonder if they will now. It would serve the current administration well if 1st amendment rights were weakened or destroyed. Think about what you're doing here and who has the power right now.

Re:"Incitement to violence"

[PopeRatzo]

If the site were actively planning riots, violent demonstrations, overthrow of governments, that would be different.

The site actively promotes genocide.

Shall we count the "put them in ovens" quotes over at the Daily Stormer?

Re:"Incitement to violence"

[drinkypoo]

They knew you were coming so they baked a cake.

The Cake is a lie, but the Nazis are real.

Re:"Incitement to violence"

[Anonymous Coward]

Unless they are planning on kidnapping jews and putting them in said ovens, then that isn't exactly "imminent" is it?

Re:"Incitement to violence"

[Mashiki]

The site actively promotes genocide.

Shall we count the "put them in ovens" quotes over at the Daily Stormer?

That doesn't even reach the limitus test here in Canada, and we have hate speech laws on the books. All you're arguing for is suppression of speech.

Re:"Incitement to violence"

[Cederic]

Maybe you've missed the news over the past week. The first two have already happened.

You have evidence that the neo-nazis or white supremacists planned or instigated riots or violent demonstrations?

Strange that they had the ACLU supporting them if that was the plan.

Re:good

[sobachatina]

Maybe. I don't like what they have to say either.

But it wasn't just a "Nazi" that were muzzled. It was in, a broad sense, some inconsequential-person-that-Google-doesn't-agree-with that was muzzled.
You still think that's a good thing?

I don't.

You don't need a domain name for a website

[danlor]

This whole thing is just silly.

Re:You don't need a domain name for a website

[JohnFen]

Yeah, this is what I keep saying, but nobody cares. The neo-nazi website moving to Tor is nothing but a publicity stunt. There was literally nothing stopping them from keeping their site on the open web.

Re:You don't need a domain name for a website

[Hentes]

I guess they could've bought a domain from a non-US provider but it would've been highly ironic if their "patriotic" website would've sit on an Iranian domain. They could've gone without a domain but that has it's own problems. For example, many corporate firewalls force you to use their DNS and block directip completely.

Re:You don't need a domain name for a website

[Gavagai80]

Apparently Jordan and India would be their best bets for a like-minded domain... well, if a daily mail article can be accurate on occasion: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

Re:You don't need a domain name for a website

[JohnFen]

For example, many corporate firewalls force you to use their DNS and block directip completely.

It doesn't bother me any more if people can't reach the site from work than it would bother me if they couldn't go to a porn site from work. It's the employer's equipment and service, the employer gets to decide what sort of use it's to be put to.

Brilliant!

[beheaderaswp]

This is rich- they'll survive about 24 hours (if that).

The hacktivists who use Tor are now gleeful that their attacks against the site cannot be traced. Even people who don't hack sites are going to be looking for scripts. IT guys who never hack are going to attack.

These people are not smart. If you dive into Tor or I2P you are in the deep end of the pool.

Re:Have the BLM and Antifa follow.

[alvinrod]

Does Antifa even have a website though? Admittedly I didn't try to look very hard. The closest I saw was a Twitter account that was clearly against their organization despite claiming to be the official antifa account. The only other link I saw that looked relevant was to a Facebook page.

Also, pushing people into the shadows is hardly desirable. It's basically just cordoning them off into their own little echo chamber. Just because you push hatred out of your sight doesn't magically cause it to cease to exist.

Unintentionally funny

[Kjella]

"We should have a real domain online within 24 hours. If it gets shut down again, people will know we are on the black web."

A bunch of neo-Nazis have to use the black web, that's hilarious.

Re:Unintentionally funny

[Anonymous Coward]

The Pokamon revelation is more damaging, imho. Practically character assasination.

I'd much rather be in the company of genuinely evil people, than with some fat Pokamon faggot

Re:Unintentionally funny

[houghi]

The SS had black uniforms. Less hilarious. They also hate(d) people that where white and not just Jews.

Re:Unintentionally funny

[cordovaCon83]

It gives a whole new meaning to the term "white-hat hacker"

Re:Wasnt "into" Tor, until now

[beelsebob]

The first amendment does protect free speech - it stops the government from stopping you from holding (and shouting about) your abhorrent Nazi views.

What it doesn't protect you against is me, and all the other good people in America telling you in no uncertain terms that you're a scumbag and that your Nazi bullshit can fuck right off. It also doesn't protect you against a company refusing to do business with you because of your fucked up views, and their reflection on that company.

Re:Have the BLM and Antifa follow.

[Cyberax]

"Antifa" is a virtue signal for right-wingers, a way to show that you're a part of them and not of the "lying media". Another signal is "Soros" who is apparently hiding behind every corner.

Um, sure we can

[rsilvergun]

they're on Tor. They're not that hard to find. If they were it would just be a bunch of numbskulls writing particularly nasty fan fiction in their parent's basement. The real reason we can't track them if our president froze funding to track right wing terror groups.

Too effin slow

[Snotnose]

I've tried to use Tor a few times in the last 10-15 years. It takes fricken forever for any website to resolve. Last time was maybe a year ago.

Ok, if I was trying to buy a silencer, or cocaine, or access kiddy porn, waiting 30-60 seconds between page updates might be acceptable. But as a normal working bee that doesn't want the interested TLA watching my browsing, yeah, how about no.

No need to worry about that

[rsilvergun]

our president just froze funding for tracking and monitoring these kind of groups.

And no, these groups aren't hard to track. They're public groups actively recruiting members. But when the highest authority in the country says step off you can bet everybody will.

Re:No need to worry about that

[cyberchondriac]

Probably because those investigations were biased in only targeting right wing extremism, will allowing left wing groups like Antifa and BLM free reign.
Either investigate them all, or none; extremism is extremism.

Re: I vociferously disagree

[MattKeith]

The real problem here is that they think they've gone mainstream with Trump. They weren't wearing masks. Maybe they have, but leaving them alone to think, and maybe convince others, that this line of thinking and reasoning is acceptable, is clearly dangerous. It's not like there aren't a lot of DNS providers, but maybe, just maybe, if no one is willing to do business with them, others will think twice before joining them.

Re: good

[MattKeith]

Ask ISIS how that works out for them here in the US. They go into an attack expecting to die for a reason.

Re:Wasnt "into" Tor, until now

[meglon]

Exactly.

https://xkcd.com/1357/

Always good to post in these discussions, as so few people understand.

Re: live in internet prison with drug dealers, ter

[MattKeith]

That you think the internet prison is equal to an actual prison is telling. They are terrorists, so of course society isn't having it. But mah Nazi beliefs! I'm so picked on!!

Huh?

[JBMcB]

I think it's hilarious that all the self-styled "libertarians" here are freaking out about private businesses choosing not to host material they see as potentially harmful to their bottom line.

What in the sam hill are you talking about?

http://reason.com/blog/2017/08...

Re:Wasnt "into" Tor, until now

[MightyMartian]

Thank you. Neo-Nazis are free to shout their evil filth in the public commons, but they're not welcome in my livingroom, and by extension on any website I host or hosting service I own. The First Amendment is a restriction on the state interfering in free expression, but private citizens, as individuals or in groups (like, say, a web hosting company) have every right to restrict what kind of speech they broadcast.

Let the Nazis go to the Dark Web along with the drug dealers and kiddy porn purveyors. It sounds like the right kind of hell for those evil monsters.

Re: good

[RazorSharp]

I see you are well versed in logic and a student of culture. I envy your wit.

Re: live in internet prison with drug dealers, ter

[JohnFen]

And it's not even an internet prison. It's just in the countryside.

Re: I vociferously disagree

[Anonymous Coward]

Wait, the "good guys" were the ones wearing masks?

Re: Pretty predictable

[RazorSharp]

I think it's quite the opposite. By not ostracizing these people we insinuate they're espousing valid opinions rather than making clearly counter-factual claims such as racial superiority and Jewish conspiracies. I don't think they should face government censorship, but there's nothing wrong with social consequences for propogating hate. I fail to see how these social consequences could help rather than hurt their cause. They can play the "David vs. Goliath" card all they want, but I sincerely doubt anyone will sympathize with their plight.

Re:Slashdot does it too.

[sexconker]

Yep. Try and post the 'N' word here. Go ahead. And the owners of Slashdot have every right to do so.

Now if the DOJ comes in and bashes down your door for saying or typing it, then there's a violation of the First.

Yeah, they censor it, imperfectly. It's the only word they do, as far as I know. Fascists.

I kind of torn on this...

[Evil Kerek]

On one hand, I'm happy to see a bunch of douchebags lose their websites and funding. These guys should be taken out back and shot in the head.

On the other hand...we've essentially censored speech we don't agree with. It's a very very slippery slope. I know, I know...THIS is so bad, so full of hate...

I'm just waiting for the next site that says something offensive. 'But that's just like the post the Natzi site did, even if the whole site isn't full of hate, it's mostly still bad. We should still punish them'. How long before this precedent is used on a conservative web site? (Cue the 'it should be' morons)

Censorship...it's either good or bad guys. The moment you start making exceptions, you become the very thing you're supposedly railing against and place way too much power..the power to control speech...into the hands of a mob.

Re:Slashdot does it too.

[AmiMoJo]

It's probably on some list of words that some ad network banned. The GNAA posts are still alive and well at -1.

Re: I vociferously disagree

[AmiMoJo]

I'm hopeful that they have overplayed it somewhat. By being so open about their true colours, it might turn a lot of people away from them and from Trump. Trump himself is desperately trying to manage the situation, keeping the alt-right on side because they were so critical to getting him elected.

He will never live this down now.

Duuuuhhhhhhh

[poofmeisterp]

.uuuuhhhhhhh.... Derrrrr.... I never saw that coming! Derrrpp!
</scofferyandhumor>

Amazing

[Epsillon]

...how quickly one can fall into the trap of saying "Good. I don't agree with this so it must be banished," which is pretty much how I felt. That's not really a useful stance to take, though. Far better to let them make nutsacks of themselves in the open as an object lesson for others whose xenophobia and bigotry override common sense. This is what free speech means: The freedom to prove to everyone that you're a petty little waste of oxygen.

Re:Have the BLM and Antifa follow.

[Mashiki]

Antifa are an actual group. You can find chapters of them all over europe, canada, they've been spreading in the US for at least 3 years. They're no different then american-centric versions like BAMN(by any means necessary), they run in the same circles. Claiming to be anti-fascist, pro-communist/lennin/marxist/or some mix. If you think it's a virtue signal, then you apparently missed the berkeley riots, which was the handywork of bamn and antifa.

In other words: You either live a very sheltered life, or are a shill.

Re:Wasnt "into" Tor, until now

[penandpaper]

So then, we don't value free speech as a society?

The government won't be far behind this sentiment. The local government illegally rescinded the right to protest because nazi.

If the government decides to withhold protection of law and allow mob rule (happened in Charlottsville and Berkeley) , what difference does it make whose boot is on your neck?

How long before tech companies only allows the progressive ideology of Silicon Valley? Are you ok with the power they wield over the internet, society, and discourse because you agree with them?

Re:Slashdot does it too.

[cyberchondriac]

Perhaps you have not seen the daily spam seen here at slashdot? Some idiot(s) posts an "n-word" filled rant every day. They get modded down by users, but I don't know that ./ does anything about it.
I'd be okay if ./ instituted a filter to block it because such rants make a good tech site otherwise NSFW.

This is not a freedom of speech issue..

[sqorbit]

This is not an issue of freedom of speech. None of this companies filed any legal suit against the creators of this website. They simply have said they didn't want to be the soapbox this person stands on to say things. If I own a soapbox, and I tell you to get off, you need to get off. I'm not telling you that you can't say those things, just telling you not to say them on my particular soapbox.

Brilliant, now we've made a problem worse

[evolutionary]

Okay, not only do we give the government an excuse to crack down on ANYONE in the this web space, but we've made it harder to find these people (if they commit any illegal or violent acts) unless you are already one of them or being recruited by them. Driving groups like this into dark alleys doesn't remove the problem, it just makes it harder to see. Short term comfort for long term harm. (Anyone for junk/fast food?)

Re:I vociferously disagree

[Cederic]

Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews.

I hate to point at the available evidence, but whether he wanted to or not, he and his regime sure as fuck put a lot of effort into it.

the Balfour Declaration which was a pact between Zionists and Great Brittan to establish Israel by using the war machine on Palestine. Which was one of the many reasons WWII was instigated.

You have any evidence on this? Just that it sounds like complete and total bullshit to me. I think you're regurgitating a conspiracy theory.

It had nothing to do with genocide of Jews, but the average person has only believed propaganda

I don't think I know anybody - including the entire Jewish community of Manchester - that thinks that the start of World War II was anything to do with the genocide of Jews.

Clearly you must have seen some propaganda that hasn't been shared in the UK. The story - as written by the victors here - is that the German National Socialists had supporters in the UK and the war began when the Germans ignored British and French warnings not to invade Poland, triggering treaty obligations that were well known at the time.

However, fuck you and your imgur link. Maybe it'll work on future generations but my grandfather liberated Bergen Belsen, don't fucking try and swing that holocaust denial shit past me. I trust his first-hand account significantly more than your bollocks.

Didn't know how good they had it...

[MiniMike]

"The Daily Stormer will be live in internet prison with drug dealers, terrorists and perverts, which is where we've been exiled to, for all time,"

Drug dealers, terrorists and perverts: "Damn, we didn't think it could get that much worse!"

Re: Pretty predictable

[gweihir]

Well, I hope you are right. It would be really bad to give these people any kind of assistance.

Have the BLM and Antifa follow.

[sethstorm]

Hatred is not magically cleansed by ideology or modbombing conservatives.