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Plants 'Hijacked' To Make Polio Vaccine (bbc.com)

Plants have been "hijacked" to make polio vaccine in a breakthrough with the potential to transform vaccine manufacture, say scientists. From a report: The team at the John Innes Centre, in Norfolk, says the process is cheap, easy and quick. As well as helping eliminate polio, the scientists believe their approach could help the world react to unexpected threats such as Zika virus or Ebola. Experts said the achievement was both impressive and important. The vaccine is an "authentic mimic" of poliovirus called a virus-like particle. Outwardly it looks almost identical to poliovirus but -- like the difference between a mannequin and person -- it is empty on the inside. It has all the features needed to train the immune system, but none of the weapons to cause an infection.

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  1. INtriguing, and I wonder about Flu by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I assume they have tested this but to be a good antigen often you need to also have the proper decoration of the particle with lipids and sugars. I would doubt that plants could provide the right version of these for animal antigens. But it's possible this shows it's not neccessary or they have a way around it in the case of polio.

    Even more intriguing is the potential for a flu vaccine. What makes that intriguing is that flu vaccine is often raised in eggs. And birds (hence eggs) are the natural resevoir of flu. So there's some risks associated with the use of the native host as the agent for growing the intentionally harmelss vaccine. And there might even be some selectivity on the animals part for things that are more bird adapted than others. With plants one presumably avoids that and the risk of a human catching a plant virus seem negligible.

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    1. Re:INtriguing, and I wonder about Flu by arth1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      With plants one presumably avoids that and the risk of a human catching a plant virus seem negligible.

      It's rare, but not unheard of that viruses jump entire kingdoms. A tobacco ringspot virus jumped to bees, for example.

    2. Re:INtriguing, and I wonder about Flu by Whibla · · Score: 1

      I assume they have tested this but ...

      You can stop there. From the article "The virus-like particles prevented polio in animal experiments". So, not tested in humans yet (understandably) but, yes, tested. Additional upsides, beyond time and cost, are that this eliminates the risk of vaccine derived polio.

      Even more intriguing is the potential for a flu vaccine. What makes that intriguing is that flu vaccine is often raised in eggs.

      And not just flu vaccines. Vaccines against any viral threat. This is a game changing technology!

  2. Original press release? by intellitech · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think this might be it:

    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub...

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  3. The breakthrough we've been waiting for by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Informative

    If this proves to be generally applicable, it will be a fast way of making a vaccine against whatever new disease strain may happen to break out. No more guesswork over which viral strains to include in this year's flu vaccine.

    And because it's a vaccine made by genetically modifying a plant, deploying it will automatically eliminate Luddites from the population. Scientific progress will become possible again, even in Europe and California. I think GMO labeling is a rotten idea, but just this once, let's put a big red USES THE GMO PROCESS label in each vial to make sure.

    1. Re:The breakthrough we've been waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will not be vaccinated, no matter what. So there you have it.

    2. Re:The breakthrough we've been waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got news for you. If you're here, you are most likely older than 10. You've already been vaccinated. Go bitch to your mother about that.

    3. Re:The breakthrough we've been waiting for by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Funny

      And because it's a vaccine made by genetically modifying a plant, deploying it will automatically eliminate Luddites from the population. Scientific progress will become possible again, even in Europe and California. I think GMO labeling is a rotten idea, but just this once, let's put a big red USES THE GMO PROCESS label in each vial to make sure.

      Yeah, but it's still Vegan friendly. Can we find a way to do this with cows instead?

    4. Re:The breakthrough we've been waiting for by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      There are lots of press releases hyping breakthroughs that are anything but. However, this looks like it might very well be the real thing.

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    5. Re:The breakthrough we've been waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will not be vaccinated, no matter what. So there you have it.

      Unless you have a health issue that contraindicates the use of vaccines or perhaps a religious objection, you are an idiot for not following your doctor's advice on this matter.

      Vaccines prevent sickness and death (for the most part) and I would recommend you following your doctor's advice on this subject. Don't fall for the anti-vaxxers idiocy and wild conspiracy theories. Get you and your kids (if you have them) vaccinated per your doctor's advice. If not for yourselves, for the unfortunate among us who cannot get vaccinated.

    6. Re:The breakthrough we've been waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liiiiick my balllllzach

    7. Re:The breakthrough we've been waiting for by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it's still Vegan friendly. Can we find a way to do this with cows instead?

      All of the GMO products that the flat-earth lobby is so concerned about are simple plant modifications. We haven't even exposed them to advanced CRISPR magic animal products yet.

    8. Re:The breakthrough we've been waiting for by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      There are GMO salmon. There are also GMO fluorescent tropical fish available at my local Petco.

    9. Re:The breakthrough we've been waiting for by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Yes, I forgot about the salmon (which are delicious, by the way). The glowing fish are not a food.

    10. Re:The breakthrough we've been waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The glowing fish are not a food.

      Your not trying hard enough.

  4. I got something you can HIGH JACK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah, my DAMN balls

  5. oh sweet irony! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    Now if only we could convince idiots to let doctors inoculate their children.

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    1. Re: oh sweet irony! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also if we could convince you not to reproduce... oh, right, we're okay there

    2. Re:oh sweet irony! by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

      But but but....this could turn our kids into Vegetables....

      We must ban it NOW.

      /sarcasm

    3. Re:oh sweet irony! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      But but but....this could turn our kids into Vegetables....

      Don't be absurd! That's what the chem-trails are for. ;)

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    4. Re:oh sweet irony! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doctors almost always inoculate their children. I've never heard of idiots preventing them. I would be more worried about the children of the idiots.

  6. Why a plant? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    How is this a breakthrough? We know how to efficiently produce biological structures by genetically modified bacteria, why using a plant would be more efficient?

    1. Re:Why a plant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bacteria are plants.

    2. Re:Why a plant? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

      Well for starters, you never know exactly how a given technological process might be used in the future.

    3. Re:Why a plant? by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      I assume that a plant can produce more complex biological structures than a bacteria.

    4. Re:Why a plant? by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 1

      No they are not.

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    5. Re:Why a plant? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Viruses have traditionally been incubated by using the live virus in living creatures, allowing them to reproduce, and harvesting living samples. That meant keeping live, reproducing copies of the virus around, where they are fully capable of reproducing and even of mutating to a more dangerous form. By not actually creating a full virus that can reproduce, and never having to handle the full organism, it makes vaccine creation _far_ safer and cheaper.

    6. Re:Why a plant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also solved the anti-vaccine people's (misguided) fear of vaccines. No 'payload' to induce autism or infect the person with the virus.

  7. Costs nothing to grow, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure it'll be a paycheck or two after some pharmaceutical patents it.

  8. Why the polio vaccine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Of all the vaccines to do this with, why polio?

    We have darn near eradicated this surge from the face of the earth, in fact 1 of the three strains actually HAS been eradicated so far and one strain is nearly so. The infection rate for polio is down to double digits world wide, in fact we are seeing almost as many oral vaccine caused cases of polio than actual cases. If we can sustain the vaccination rates for just a bit longer and get the last few pockets of unvaccinated people taken care of, this could all be over in less than a decade.

    Why do we need a new way to produce polio vaccines? Hopefully we won't need to keep producing it much longer..

    1. Re:Why the polio vaccine? by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because we know what an effective polio vaccine looks like. If we are able to replicate an effective polio vaccine using this new technique, the knowledge obtained creating it produces a framework around which to build the process of making vaccines for diseases that we currently do NOT have vaccines for.
      Much the same as how there are many proofs for the Pythagorean theorem. The more ways to the correct answer, the more thoroughly the problem is solved, and the understanding gained developing those proofs lends itself to being able to solve other more complex problems.

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    2. Re:Why the polio vaccine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the only place polio will exist, will be the germ warfare labs of belligerent superpowers?

      Wonderful.

    3. Re:Why the polio vaccine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fantastic answer. Someone mod this informative as all hell.

    4. Re:Why the polio vaccine? by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 1

      Polio would be a really bad germ warfare candidate. It mostly affects children. It is symptomatic in only about one case in 200. It uses fecal/oral transmission route, which makes it much harder to infect people with a weapon compared to an airborne disease.

      You seem to be saying that having a disease in germ warfare labs *and* in the wild is somehow better than having it only in germ warfare labs.

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    5. Re:Why the polio vaccine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the only place that polio exists anymore is dirt freaking poor.

      The current method of making cheap vaccines for polio actually leaves some 'live' polio in it, which creates a risk of getting polio from the vaccine (for a while, until this vaccine stopped being used in the US, this was the only way Americans got polio). If we can get a cheap polio vaccine without this risk, there is more chance that people will use it, and we can FINALLY destroy this thing.

      Now if only the CIA didn't use these vaccination clinics for spying, we wouldn't have the other reason people avoid them.

    6. Re:Why the polio vaccine? by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      My guess is because the original Polio vaccine was given away to the world with no patents. When this new means of developing the Polio vaccine becomes ready to go into full production, whichever pharmaceutical company working on it can then lock it down and fund measures to eradicate the original vaccine that only saves lives, but does not produce huge revenues.

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  9. I, for one, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    welcome our new Plant Overlords.

  10. Polio eradication progress by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've been following the polio numbers week by week for some years now. (Polio eradication will be one of the great achievements of human history.)

    This news is particularly important because this year for the first time ever "circulating vaccine derived polio virus" (cVDPV, where live weakened polio in vaccines has mutated back to virulence) is causing more polio cases than wild polio virus (WPV).
    Here are the full-year numbers for the last few years:
          WPV cVDPV
    2011 583 67
    2012 202 68
    2013 416 65
    2014 359 56
    2015 74 32
    2016 37 5

    (2017 missing because the year hasn't yet finished.) Here are the numbers for start of year to approx 9 August:
              WPV cVDPV
    2014 138 31
    2015 29 10
    2016 19 3
    2017 8 37
    (I only have 2014 onwards ready to hand in week-by-week breakdown.) Mostly this is due to a major outbreak of cVDPV in Syria (30 cases).

    (There is a delay of up to about 2 months between a polio case in the field and it getting reported to central authorities and added to the official numbers, but the numbers above are all what was reported at that time of year, so the comparison is fair.)

    It is looking reasonable to hope that the last ever WPV case will be this year or next year, but cVDPV eradication is looking harder. Polio is a disease that can lurk asymptomatically in a population, so it will be three years after the last detection of WPV before it is declared eradicated. (Nigeria had over two years of being apparently polio free before a few cases re-emerged.)

    There were three strains of WPV. WPV2 and WPV3 have been eradicated, but until recently vaccines were still vaccinating against WPV2, and it is this vaccine strain (cVDPV2) which is causing most of the problems (all of the cVDPV cases so far this year are cVDPV2.) Now WPV2 vaccine is not in the standard vaccinations, and is only used in response to a cVDPV2 outbreak.

    The countries still with WPV endemic are Pakistan and Afghanistan, and Nigeria has had cases recently enough that we can't safely say it is free of WPV.

    The countries which have had cVDPV cases in 2015 or later are Syria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Pakistan, Madagascar, Lao, Guinea, Ukraine, Myanmar, Nigeria.

    Find more at
    http://polioeradication.org/po...

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    1. Re:Polio eradication progress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it seems there is a defective vaccine this year?

      Sounds like it is time to stop what we're doing and figure out what it is that caused it to be defective, and determine the value of damages owed the wronged parties as a result of this obvious negligence.

    2. Re:Polio eradication progress by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 2

      No, your interpretation is entirely wrong.

      cVDPV cases this year are in line with what we've had for the last decade. It is just that WPV cases are plummeting, so where cVDPV used to be a small percentage of cases, now it is a large percentage. Futhermore, most of the cases are in Syria, where civil war has created an environment conducive to outbreaks, which is not the fault of the vaccine.

      Although the vaccine is causing damage, it is preventing much more. In 1980 there were about 400,000 cases per year worldwide (already a reduction on pre-vaccination cases from prior to 1950s). Vaccination is what has brought us down to where we are today, with under 100 cases per year.

      The polio eradication effort is trying to address the cVDPV problem. About a year ago, the removed the WPV2 strain from standard vaccinations, and now vaccinate for WPV2 only in response to cVDPV2 outbreaks. It is too soon to know if this is having an effect.

      It is beyond my competence to know whether current vaccination technology and strategy can eradicate cVDPV. There is an alternative vaccination (IPV, inactivated polio vaccine), which is injected, compared to the attenuated oral polio vaccine, OPV, which is the current workhorse of eradication efforts. However, IPV mostly prevents symptoms rather than preventing spread, so it is not so good for eradication (and is harder to deliver in poor countries.) (OPV causes immune response primarily in the gut, IPV causes immune response primarily in the blood, which allows transmission through fecal/oral route to be unbroken.) I understand IPV will be used in the final stages of eradication because of the cVDPV problem, but I don't know details.

      The current vaccination strategy can eradicate WPV. WPV2 and WPV3 have been eradicated, and WPV1 is on the brink.

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    3. Re:Polio eradication progress by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2

      It's no longer a technical problem to eradicate polio. It's a political one. There was a very strong effort to eradicate it which failed in 2006, because of rumors that the vaccine was actually a sterilization agent. Unfortunately, the fear was not entirely unjustified. There *have* been fraudulent vaccines used to force birth control on women in the middle east, so it was not an unthinkable rumor for people in a poor and information poor place like Nigeria. The fact that fake vaccines were used by a country seen by so much of the Middle East as a target of religious anger made it all the worse.

      * http://www.salon.com/2013/01/2...

      I'm afraid that in an area with poverty, war, and ethnic strife, getting vaccines to all is very difficult. The vaccines are also somewhat dangerous to make, expensive, and have a very limited shelf life, so the doses to eradicate polio _expired_ in the Nigerian effort in 2006.

      I do hope that being able to manufacture vaccines less expensively, more safely, and where a native population can get a better view of the manufacture and assure its safety for their own concerns will help the population accept the vaccines enough to eradicate polio.

    4. Re:Polio eradication progress by lannocc · · Score: 1

      People forget about this when dismissing anti-vaxxers as having no case. I'm not saying the anti-vaxxers are correct or completely justified, but there is a provable non-zero individual risk with vaccines that we must not forget about.

    5. Re:Polio eradication progress by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 1

      In this case it is a non-individual risk. Getting vaccinated makes you less likely to get cVDPV, but makes it (very slightly) more likely that people around you will get cVDPV.

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  11. isn't there a risk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't there a risk that if the body is presented with something that is benign which looks like Polio, then if that person comes into contact with polio the immunity system completely ignores it because it believes it to be benign.

    1. Re:isn't there a risk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

  12. What about the vaccines the plants *were* making? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we start hijacking vaccine plants to make polio vaccine, what happens to all the people who need whatever vaccine the plant was making before it was hijacked?

  13. Re:What about the vaccines the plants *were* makin by dwillmore · · Score: 1

    I, too, read the title to mean 'plant' as in 'a manufacturing facility' not as in 'greed things with leaves'. And was all "how do you do that and what about the stuff the plant was supposed to be making?"

    But, yes, green plants are better at folding some protiens than some mamilian cell lines are. Though I thought this was old news. I remember it being discussed a while back when I got into Folding@Home.

  14. Bird Flu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    From the article:

    Prof Lomonossoff told the BBC: "In an experiment with a Canadian company, they showed you could actually identify a new strain of virus and produce a candidate vaccine in three to four weeks.

    Suppose the bird flu mutated, so that it spread easily between humans. Would making "a candidate vaccine in three to four weeks" be fast enough to prevent a disastrous pandemic?

    1. Re: Bird Flu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes

  15. Think of the plants! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Will this create a generation of autistic plants? Is this why my ficus ignores me?

  16. Plantdemic by mentil · · Score: 1

    Outwardly it looks almost identical to poliovirus but -- like the difference between a mannequin and person -- it is empty on the inside. It has all the features needed to train the immune system, but none of the weapons to cause an infection.

    That's just what the plants WANT us to think. Today it's a vaccine, tomorrow it's a plant-borne pandemic. The Happening was a warning, people!

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  17. Mannequin? by necro81 · · Score: 1

    like the difference between a mannequin and person -- it is empty on the inside

    I am a mannequin, you insensitive clod!

  18. Let's hope by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    Let's hope there are no "hermit crab" viruses out there that would use the shell for home.

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  19. Taking a break from their normal work... by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

    As anyone who studied at UEA knows the real work of the John Innes centre is triffid research.

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  20. This is Slashdot at its best! by MarkH · · Score: 1

    Am only looking at 'outstanding' answers but good mix of experts providing informed answers.

    Just wish there was upvoted facility here.

  21. Pretty Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is how that movie with the zombie plants started. Invest in flame throwers.

  22. Autism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone confirmed this doesn't cause autism in the plants being used?

  23. Next up... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

    ...a plant-born disease crosses over and becomes the next pandemic.

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