Slashdot Mirror


'Surkus' App Pays Users To Line Up Outside New Restaurants (chicagotribune.com)

A new app called Surkus allows restaurants to manufacture their ideal crowd and pay people to stand in place like extras on a movie set. The app reportedly uses "an algorithmic casting agent of sorts" to hand-pick people according to age, location, style and Facebook "likes." All of this is done to create the illusion that a restaurant is busy and worthy of your hard-earned money. Chicago Tribune reports: They may look excited, but that could also be part of the production. Acting disengaged while they idle in line could tarnish their "reputation score," an identifier that influences whether they'll be "cast" again. Nobody is forcing the participants to stay, of course, but if they leave, they won't be paid -- their movements are being tracked with geolocation. Welcome to the new world of "crowdcasting." Surkus raises new questions about the future of advertising and promotion. At a time when it has become commonplace for individuals to broadcast polished versions of their lives on social media, does Surkus give businesses a formidable tool to do the same, renting beautiful people and blending them with advertising in a way that makes reality nearly indiscernible? Or have marketers found a new tool that offers them a far more efficient way to link brands with potential customers, allowing individuals to turn themselves into living extensions of the share economy using a structured, mutually beneficial transaction? The answer depends on whom you ask.

115 comments

  1. Alex Jones is going to flip his shit. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

    This is going to be hilarious.

    1. Re:Alex Jones is going to flip his shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares?

  2. Really? by thesupraman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If there is a queue at a restaurant, then I certainly wont be going, and anyone joining the queue will either be waiting forever, or have to be told its a fake?

    I have to wonder what type of people would be spending their time doing this.
    They have enough money for a smartphone, and to look 'smart' in some demographic way, however their time is worthless enough that they can afford to be paid (I assume not much) to stand around doing nothing...

    It shouldn't take more than a quick look in the door to see that the place is empty, and yet there is a queue outside ;)

    1. Re:Really? by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't quite get this one either. I *might* choose to approach what looks to be a long wait for a specific restaurant that I

      1) already have patronized, but really like or am really in the mood for. I'll probably be annoyed there is a long line and think they are bit a silly when I find out the line is fake. I might just think better of it and move along and than they will have lost a *real* potentiality customer that day.

      2) already have heard of because its famous or something or been highly recommended by a trusted source. I'll think "well I guess I gota try it any way"

      Mostly thought I'd just keep on going, without a strong enough reason to put up with what looks like a longer wait time, I usually avoid a crowd. If i have a reason to put up with one It would have been a good enough reason to go anyway.

      Are other people such sheep that they would actually choose a place just because its busy without any other information?

      --
      Repeal the 17th Amendment TODAY! Also Please Read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
    2. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You won't get to look in the door you fucking line cutter! Get to the back of the line!

    3. Re:Really? by YukariHirai · · Score: 2

      Are other people such sheep that they would actually choose a place just because its busy without any other information?

      I expect some would make a choice between two otherwise similar restaurants based on the theory that the busier one has the better food. Others might choose the busier one if it's the "right" kind of busy on the basis of it being a fashionable place to be, rather than any value it might have as an actual restaurant. Some might even only be looking for a fashionable place to be seen, and it being a restaurant is entirely incidental.

      In either case, it would only be a feasible strategy to rent a crowd for it in a larger city where going to a fashionable place is a serious desire of a lot of people - and even then, the return on investment is doubtful.

    4. Re:Really? by maglor_83 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Are other people such sheep that they would actually choose a place just because its busy without any other information?

      That's a pretty common and sensible approach. If you have no other information to go by, then you don't go to the place with no customers, because there's probably a good reason they have no customers.

    5. Re:Really? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The "queue" is secondary to the real underlying discussion here. Ideally a restaurant in this case would have one free table. The article invokes my mental images of Apple stores but really the most appealing restaurants are busy yet can serve me.

      However that may not be it either. Especially in an outdoor setting I normally look at people's plates when passing and deciding on a restaurant. Will these people be given fake food as well?

    6. Re:Really? by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Yeah me neither. I usually go to restaurants without a queue. I do typically look to see if the place is deserted before I go in though. I mean if no one wants to eat there there's probably a good reason not to go. I also quite often look at what other people are eating there. But queues? Please.

    7. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have enough money for a smartphone, and to look 'smart' in some demographic way, however their time is worthless enough that they can afford to be paid (I assume not much) to stand around doing nothing...

      In fact, they're extracting income from the sheer momentum of the economy. That's how income is gonna be distributed.

    8. Re:Really? by Mal-2 · · Score: 0

      Are other people such sheep that they would actually choose a place just because its busy without any other information?

      Once, on the way to a gig in downtown L.A., I had a huge craving for fried chicken. Then, as now, I did not carry a smart phone. (Now I don't carry a phone at all, but then I had a no-data PHONE.) So I just got off the freeway in the part of town I knew to be heavily populated by African-Americans because there are more fried chicken places that are not KFC than there are in other parts of town. Then I looked for a crowded one. And you know what? Although it was still cheap food, it was way better than KFC.

      So yeah, sometimes crowds do indicate popularity, and I didn't stop to think that they might be doing it for my benefit. They obviously were not, because they weren't just milling around. The lines went in the doors and right up to the counter.

      --
      How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
    9. Re:Really? by Bandraginus · · Score: 1

      Also don't get it for restaurants. So... legitimate customers line up (you know, the one's that are going to pay you money for food) at the back of the line. Either the line is moving, or it isn't.

      If it's not moving, then you've lost all your legit customers for the night

      If the line is moving, then the rent-a-crowd have to shuffle into the restaurant, then walk back out again to the back of the line. Legit customers would find this odd enough to question what's going on, and quietly sidle away from the restaurant

    10. Re:Really? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      So no customers for you food and paying someone to pay someone else to be a pretend customer make sense to you, wouldn't it be far more sensible to simply provide free meals. No wander the PR=B$ don't want a minimum wage, how can you pay some one per hour less than the price of one meal, that is sick.

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    11. Re:Really? by maglor_83 · · Score: 1

      Not at all, I was simply replying to that one point. I agree this sounds like a ridiculous idea.

    12. Re:Really? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      They obviously were not, because they weren't just milling around. The lines went in the doors and right up to the counter.

      This points out one big problem I see with the "hired crowd" idea... I don't see how it can work, unless the hired crowds are also getting seated and served food - which I assume is not the case.

      When I was younger, I did occasionally wait in long lines for food that had a stellar reputation. But, the thing is, even food that matches its reputation generally isn't THAT much better than several other worthy competitors which just don't happen to be in vogue at that distinct moment in time. So, nowadays, if I go somewhere (that doesn't take reservations) and it's horribly crowded... I just leave and go somewhere else.

      --
      #DeleteChrome
    13. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Millennials with college degrees yet no marketable skills will flock to this so they can drink Starbucks and whine about how much they hate living in their mother's basement.

    14. Re:Really? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Are other people such sheep that they would actually choose a place just because its busy without any other information?

      That's a pretty common and sensible approach.

      Wouldn't it take you about ten seconds to figure out the queue is fake? All you have to do is join it, and...then what? None of them are going in.

      --
      No sig today...
    15. Re:Really? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I recently went to a restaurant because of the crowd outside the door. We were walking down a restaurant avenue looking for a place for a bite, and saw one place with a line. We did talk to the people in line, but they sold us on the place. We probably would have stopped elsewhere if there had been no line... the outside wasn't very interesting. Of course, if I always had a line, I wouldn't invest anything in making the outside interesting either.

      It helps that we were tourists, and didn't feel like just using Yelp

      --
      Your ad here. Ask me how!
    16. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how millinials get this "it's their own fault for not having a job", while whining about how Mexicans took their own jobs lol

    17. Re:Really? by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Now if a restaurant wants to give people meals in return for their momentary interest, I don't really see a problem here. A certain amount of milling around is normal too, as large groups wait to assemble, or stand around chatting after they're done.. But yeah, if there's a crowd that doesn't seem to be doing anything much related to the establishment's business purpose, I will assume they're there to leech WiFi for something.

      --
      How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
    18. Re:Really? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I expect some would make a choice between two otherwise similar restaurants based on the theory that the busier one has the better food.

      That makes sense. However, it does not make sense to put a line in front of your restaurant, because most people choose to avoid lines. If you were going to try to make your restaurant look busy, you would hire these people to sit inside and eat small, inexpensive dishes. They would finish them rapidly with minimal waitstaff interference, and then they would leave the restaurant for a while, and then come back again if needed to boost occupancy. Preferably the system would actually keep them busy going to different restaurants in the process, so that it wasn't immediately obvious to a casual observer that there was a scam going on.

      This would be superior in basically every way to the current system. It wouldn't produce a line which dissuades people from coming to your establishment, it makes your restaurant look busy, and it lets you actually fill your restaurant with people attired like your desired clientele, which might motivate more people to come in. It lets you use up any leftovers you're having trouble moving, and it keeps your idle staff busy and thus discourages jaw-jacking.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    19. Re:Really? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      If there is a queue at a restaurant, then I certainly wont be going, and anyone joining the queue will either be waiting forever, or have to be told its a fake?

      I have to wonder what type of people would be spending their time doing this. They have enough money for a smartphone, and to look 'smart' in some demographic way, however their time is worthless enough that they can afford to be paid (I assume not much) to stand around doing nothing...

      A million times this. There are definite limits to how long I'm willing to wait to get seated at a restaurant and these days anything over 30 minutes is probably going to result in me going elsewhere immediately. The longest I've ever waited to be seated was 2 and a half hours and that was a long time ago under very unusual circumstances. I can't imagine I'll ever break that record. A few years ago I was in Chicago with family and we wanted to go to Rick Bayless' Frontera restaurant. They told us that they estimated the wait at FOUR HOURS and told us we were welcome to wait at the bar and drink for those 4 hours. They were pretty shocked when I told them that we would instead simply leave and not wait at all. Do people really agree to wait 4 hours to eat? The staff there sure seemed to think that a 4 hour wait wasn't unreasonable or unusual. We had a very different opinion.

    20. Re:Really? by DivineKnight · · Score: 1

      "I expect some would make a choice between two otherwise similar restaurants based on the theory that the busier one has the better food."

      Where do you get this theory? McDonalds is usually busier than {burger joint}, yet many would argue that {burger joint} has better food than McDonalds.

    21. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah me neither. I usually go to restaurants without a queue. I do typically look to see if the place is deserted before I go in though.

      But it won't have a queue all the time (especially if the queue was fake). Having a queue means the food is good and you will register that in the back of your mind. So when you visit the street another time and there's no queue, it's highly likely you will enter the restaurant.

    22. Re:Really? by Pahroza · · Score: 1

      I've seen it in practice, not just theory. Some "popular" brunch spots near me frequently have a 20-30 minute wait to be seated for mediocre food and service.

    23. Re:Really? by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      That's where I'm baffled. If the place is empty and the line doesn't move, WTF? Never going back there. For that matter, why not just put free meal coupons on the app, and have all those people show up and get something to eat. Then it's full, and they might be convinced to write a nice review about the free stuff. Especially since it's tied to the app, and you can weed out the people who are too picky. That's more of a win for everyone than a dummy line.

      --
      Velociraptor = Distiraptor / Timeraptor
    24. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The food at places that are difficult to get into is always better because we delude ourselves into believing it to be true, regardless of the reality. People have a subconscious aversion to bad deals and will alter perception to avoid them. A place could be serving literal shit on a shingle, but if the line was around the block, they'll be getting rave reviews for months.

    25. Re:Really? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      I eat at a lot of restaurants and have yet to see a correlation between "good" and "popular". Red Lobster has long waiting times, but so does the (actually pretty good) Longhorn. TGI Fridays always had long waits at busy times, and so does Duffy's and the other generic "Irish" (lolwut?) restaurants we have around here, and every restaurant I've mentioned with the exception of Longhorn is awful, just awful.

      You know what usually results in a line? Being a chain restaurant. That's it. That's the criteria. The chainier it gets, the longer the line is on a Saturday night. And while some chain restaurants are decent, so many are utter garbage.

      It literally would not enter my criteria for "might be better than the one next to it" if of two unknown restaurants one had a line and the other didn't. I'd check the menu, and if both seem equally likely to be good, go to the less busy one on the grounds that I hate waiting.

      Your argument appears to make logical sense, but it ignores experience, and unless someone has never been to a restaurant in their life, they're going to know that long waits mean zip.

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    26. Re:Really? by syn3rg · · Score: 1

      So, Potemkin customers?

      --
      The contents of this message have been doubly encrypted by ROT13
    27. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know you live in a shitty place when your chain restaurants are the busy ones.

    28. Re:Really? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Additionally, I have all my friends give me their phones while they go to a local movie, and I take all of "us" on the circuit to get paid. Next week another friend has all the phones and I'm at the movie...

      --
      whois gawk date unzip strip find touch finger mount join nice man top fsck grep eject more yes exit umount sleep dump
    29. Re:Really? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      Same here. I have things to do in life, and waiting outside a restaurant is not something I care to do. The ironic thing is that the places with long lines (Franklin's barbecue) are usually very overrated. Austin has a lot of eateries, and if needed, I can always drive to a surrounding town. If a place has a line outside, but is empty inside, I definitely will go somewhere else, because either the place just opened for the day or they are not bothering to serve customers... either way, there is an eatery just as good, if not better, somewhere else.

    30. Re:Really? by trg83 · · Score: 1

      No wander the PR=B$ don't want a minimum wage, how can you pay some one per hour less than the price of one meal, that is sick.

      I'm not sure I follow your logic. I make six figures and make less per hour than a meal at my favorite steakhouse.

    31. Re: Really? by trg83 · · Score: 1

      Many people choose predictable mediocrity over uncertainty. That's why people still drink Bud Light instead of spending their money trying various craft brews.

    32. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >If you have no other information to go by, then ... ...then seeing a long line of people out front will repel me, not attract. Because it means YOU go to the back of the line & wait.

      Maybe for a fave restaurant I'm already familiar with and know it's worth it. But purposefully put onself in a long-wait for an unknown? Who would prefer that?

    33. Re:Really? by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      This app is probably designed for a "big city" such as San Francisco. I'm guessing you live in a midsize city. In SF there are lots of really good restaurants, and many of them have lines. Some people are kind of wary of going somewhere that isn't popular since so many great places have big lines. Maybe you have a good restaurant but need to get the critical mass to establish regular patrons.

      --
      Man, you really need that seminar!
    34. Re: Really? by Jesus+H+Rolle · · Score: 1

      Are other people such sheep that they would actually choose a place just because its busy without any other information?

      Japanese call fake customers "Sakura". It's common wherever Japanese businesses are found.

    35. Re:Really? by joemck · · Score: 1

      >They have enough money for a smartphone

      $20 gets you a basic smartphone with $30/mo basic plans available. You don't have to be terribly rich to afford a smartphone anymore.

      >and to look 'smart' in some demographic way, however their time is worthless enough that they can afford to be paid (I assume not much) to stand around doing nothing...

      So, a college student?

    36. Re:Really? by YukariHirai · · Score: 1

      When I said "some", I didn't mean "most" or even "a significant number", necessarily. And I sure didn't say the theory had merit. I think the whole business is a crock of shit, but just because it's a crock of shit doesn't mean that there aren't at least a few suckers out there.

    37. Re:Really? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      >I eat at a lot of restaurants and have yet to see a correlation between "good" and "popular"

      Well it is unfortunate that in the US good food is not so highly valued and it is rare enough that people often don't even expect to find it or it is so expensive that most people can't afford it. This is especially true outside of major cities.

      However if you travel internationally you will find very quickly that trying the busiest restaurants first is a better strategy than random selection at finding restaurants with good food.

      If you see one restaurant without a single customer on a friday night and another one nearby completely full with people waiting out the door you are really going to guess that the empty restaurant has better food?

      The effectiveness of the strategy depends on the country and if you are in a city with a zagats or chowhound has commented on that that is probably a better method, but compared to random selection choosing the busiest restaurant is more likely to find better food than random selection.

      --
      Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
    38. Re:Really? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      If there is a queue at a restaurant, then I certainly wont be going

      Exactly this. Additionally, that restaurant would probably not make my list of places to consider going when planning a night out, because I'd assume that there will be a length wait.

    39. Re:Really? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      based on the theory that the busier one has the better food.

      These have to be people with limited experience with restaurants. In my experience, a line out the door is less indicative of excellent food than it is of poor restaurant management.

    40. Re:Really? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty common and sensible approach.

      It may be common, but I don't think it counts as sensible.

    41. Re:Really? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      If you see one restaurant without a single customer on a friday night and another one nearby completely full with people waiting out the door you are really going to guess that the empty restaurant has better food?

      No, but I also wouldn't guess that the full one has better food.

    42. Re:Really? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Although it was still cheap food, it was way better than KFC.

      Well, in all fairness, almost any chicken place has better food than KFC.

    43. Re:Really? by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      also , doesnt that count as false advertising ? is there still anything like false advertising and consumer rights btw? if you get dmca takedowns to remove ads from blocklists im not really sure ... consumer rights ? in soviet belgium i never much seen them, i thought they existed but maybe its something i saw on tv

      --
      Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
  3. Yeah, right by Snotnose · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This may work in New Yawk, San Fran, or LA, where people care about getting into the "hottest" restruants and posting social media shit for assholes who care. I live in a normal town, I'll make a reservation for a special occasion. Can't get in, no problemo? I'll just try someone else.

    I make a reservation then can't get in (has never happened). You'll get a 0 star rating on yelp.

    1. Re:Yeah, right by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I'll make a reservation

      You could have just said "I have nothing to do with the target audience of this product" that would have been shorter to write.

    2. Re:Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could have not replied at all, and that would have been shorter to write.

      I, on the other hand, don't mind well thought-out (even if sometimes verbose) comments.

    3. Re:Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I live in a normal town,

      He's virtue signaling how cuntry he is.

    4. Re:Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Austin is getting that way, but if a place has no parking, or is otherwise inaccessible, it gets a yelp review saying so. There is a Freebird's on Congress and Riverside that has -zero- parking, except for a sole handicapped space. I drive a little bit, hit a Chipotle that has ample parking. Why waste time at lunch paying $10 at some parking lot before even getting near the place to eat, when you can drive a few minutes and get virtually identical food, and be in and out?

      Needless to say, if a place has no parking it gets a one star review.

    5. Re:Yeah, right by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of good restaurants in Austin with shitty parking options. It's really a pity. Even the ones away from the center of town have parking lots that are too small, or are a 1/4 mile walk in the 90 degree heat. It's just the nature of that city. Maybe they're used to the college crowds not caring?

      Side note: If you consider Chipotle interchangeable with Freebirds, I envy your digestive constitution!

  4. These words by zieroh · · Score: 1

    The app reportedly uses "an algorithmic casting agent of sorts" to hand-pick people

    These words do not mean what you think they do.

    --
    People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
  5. The future of advertising and promotion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If there's one thing I'm 100% sure about the future of advertising and promotion, it's that whatever form it will take, it will still be 100% amoral, just like the present of advertising and promotion.

    This new app is a perfect example of this.

    1. Re:The future of advertising and promotion by desdinova+216 · · Score: 2

      sadly, I don't think we'll ever get back to the days when advertising had to be creative, but we can't undo the invention of analytics.

  6. slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A new app called Surkus...

    I wonder how much Surkus paid to create the illusion that someone might actually use their app.

    1. Re:slashvertisement by pete6677 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Shouldn't it be spelled Sukurs?

    2. Re:slashvertisement by Falos · · Score: 1

      Then I am 100% confident they would have named it Suckr

  7. How did this get funded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Outside of college students, I can't see the appeal for most to commute somewhere to stand outside looking excited for undisclosed minutes (hours?!). And, even for college students, if the location is not conveniently accessible, it will be a pass, too. Wait, is there at least free drinks involved or do the people just mill about staring down at their phones tapping away?

  8. PR Pitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So the company has been pitching this to the press for a bit now. In case anyone is curious, here was the PR pitch.

    Surkus provides clubs, restaurants and events in New York and Los Angeles with bodies to fill the room, order drinks, and liven the place up. Promoters and bar owners tell the company how many people needed - what age, sex, lifestyle, and what you'll pay - and they hook you up with people that you want to see at your party.

    Surkus' high tech arsenal includes a digital geofence that automatically checks-in their invitees when they arrive at an event. And the company doesn't just know your location. They can also track your altitude.

    That means if a Surkus-goer leaves the rooftop at the W for a quiet drink in the lobby - Surkus knows.

    Despite how TFS put it, this is a lot more than just standing in line for a restaurant. It's about filling clubs and other venues so that people who are going to a party think it's being well-attended because it's popular. Not that bringing people (especially women) into a party to liven it up is new - it's practically as old as time itself - but this has it down to nearly a science. It's really quite creepy.

    1. Re:PR Pitch by Dorianny · · Score: 2

      Actually all this app is trying to do is automate the middle man known as "promoters." In most cases only the promoters get paid, the guests they bring only get free food and drinks, by shifting some of the procedes they hope the in-crowd and aspiring-models will decide to go with them instead of traditional promoters

    2. Re:PR Pitch by Dorianny · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To further elaborate, this app actually has a pretty good chance of succeeding if it can execute. Most promoters are very unprofessional due to largely being addicted to alcohol/drugs (hazard of the occupation I guess) and owners/managers would love nothing more than have security show them the door

  9. Competing with dummies by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Informative

    This reminds me of a movie/TV prop supplier company who rented out cardboard people to fill up theaters and stadiums in the backgrounds. They used roughly 80% cardboard dummies and 20% real people who would move and squirm to make the crowd look alive. (Tell your date you're a "professional squirmer".) The ratio of real people was typically higher near the front (close by) seats.

    The cardboard dummies were based on photos of about 25 different people with hand alterations so that duplicates didn't stand out. That way they had fewer batch runs to prepare.

    Fairly often some of the human "seat" actors ("extras") would mutilate the dummies out of job security, ripping arms off, drawing black-eyes on them, giving women mustaches, giving men boobs, etc. Thus, the co. had to spend a lot of time repairing them after shoots.

    Now they probably use mostly CGI and/or canned footage stitched in via digital motion smoothers etc.

    1. Re:Competing with dummies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spot the Putinbot

    2. Re: Competing with dummies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only this was around when trump gave his inauguration speech.

    3. Re: Competing with dummies by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Indeed; we could have filled the gaps to make him STFU about it.

  10. Re:This is, by far, ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    in other words fucktards under 45 will eat this stupidity up.

  11. Core Values - Narcissism and Bullshit by geekmux · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It pays to be a social media whore today, so it doesn't surprise me that pimping lies like this is somehow worthwhile.

    Why fucking bother getting an education when we value narcissism and bullshit this much.

    1. Re:Core Values - Narcissism and Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      something something something Trump something.

    2. Re: Core Values - Narcissism and Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummmm. Must be a bot. I'm convinced 25% of slashdot is pro trump bots just posting bullshit.

  12. Back in the Days by n329619 · · Score: 2

    We didn't need apps to do that. We get a bunch of friends progressively come together to stare at the empty sky showing blank expression, and then random strangers just join in until it became a crowd of people. Afterward, we left making the crowd stares at unknowns.

    Same for a line, we get our friends to randomly lineup in a particular place like outside the restroom/water closet/toilet where the door is closed, and make random guys wait behind us patiently.

  13. Agreed.... dumb idea by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I could see this working better for a nightclub, where part of the draw is knowing you paid to get into a place that's full of lots of attractive people.

    But a restaurant? The new ones that opened out by me and had lines just made me decide to hold off a few days before visiting them. (After all, most new restaurants really don't have their food preparation or service down yet, so you tend to get a less than ideal experience.)

    As someone else on here pointed out too; won't people realize something's not quite right if the place isn't totally full on the inside? If I saw a long line and empty tables inside, that would tell me the restaurant is short-handed and service will be really poor. That would make me leave.

    If you want to generate a buzz and a big line for the sake of photo ops and media coverage, it's a far better investment to give away free food to people. Krispy Kreme doughnut shops do that all the time when opening new locations. First day, you get a free one with each visit.

    1. Re:Agreed.... dumb idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I could have replied to a post higher up : there's an easy way to reward all the fake people standing in line. Let them slowly in and feed them.
      In particular...

      (After all, most new restaurants really don't have their food preparation or service down yet, so you tend to get a less than ideal experience.)

      this can be staged by giving the fake people a couple options rather than the 2^14 options that a real restaurant with a very short menu might have. They won't complain either. Better yet you can introduce variety but only give each individual a choice between few meals, would you need to showcase 10 meals. You have an agreed beforehand and real time adjusted amount of fake people, and have staffed accordingly. Apparently the fake people are expected to get failbook likes. So, you give away free food in a manner that can easily be planned and the failbook idiots will be likely to twit pictures of plates.

      Something not too dissimilar happens in North Korea where the Supreme Leader is expected in a couple days (or perhaps a week, or perhaps tomorrow in the morning). The Workers' Party of Korea is the first to know. They kill a few dogs and hen, perhaps a pig. They provide rice as well to the populace - good rice is a better staple than noodles or corn. People frantically clean up for a day or two and get dressed up in Sunday clothes.

  14. Problem is by fredrated · · Score: 1

    if the restaurant isn't good the people won't come back. If they are good and with this also look good, they might get successful a little faster.

  15. Are you certain ... by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... this app isn't called Sukurs?

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
    1. Re:Are you certain ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surkus of Sukurs

  16. Sorry...not into "trendy" by p51d007 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    When I look for a place to eat, I ask my FRIENDS...and by friends I mean those that share my sense of values, not these social media apps, "likes" and what not. A lot of my "good eatin' places" look like dives, ready to fall apart, sometimes you think how the hell did the health department pass this place? Established places. One BBQ place I frequent, has been around since the late 1920's! When I first went there in 1981, they had a few playing cards & dollar bills tacked onto the ceiling tiles. By the early 2000's, they mostly had turned solid black from cigarette smoke (smoking isn't allowed in businesses in our city anymore). Plus, you are likely to see people that appear to be homeless, along with people in suits during the lunch rush. It's a down home place, friendly. Another one is a chili place, been around since the early 50's. Building was made out of an old metal quonset hut. Decorations inside look like something out of a psycho movie. Posters of just about anything, paint splatters all over the place. The chili is purposely spilled over the top of the bowl onto the dish underneath. Owner decades ago had someone thing the bowl wasn't full enough, so he filled it to the top and it spilled over. He then did that on purpose and to this day, if your bowl doesn't have spilled chili, they will fill it. THOSE are the kind of places I like to frequent. You know , the broken neon sign that says "EATS" out of the way hole in the wall places, not the trendy ones where everyone inside isn't talking to each other, but TEXTING each other. You can have those overpriced, over hyped, shallow places...I'll stick with the off the wall hole in the wall places that know how to slap a steak on the grill, fry up a greasy cheeseburger, fat dripping BBQ, stick to your ribs food.

    1. Re:Sorry...not into "trendy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok you have your own taste in restaurants. Yay?

    2. Re:Sorry...not into "trendy" by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      BBQ and chili huh? I would like to think you live in Texas.

      --
      Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
  17. Don't give them ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They may look excited, but that could also be part of the production. Acting disengaged while they idle in line could tarnish their "Songbun score," an identifier that influences whether they'll be "cast" again. Nobody is forcing the participants to stay, of course, but if they leave, they won't be paid -- their movements are being tracked with geolocation. Welcome to the new world of "crowdcasting." Workers' Party of Korea raises new questions about the future of advertising and promotion. At a time when it has become commonplace for individuals to broadcast polished versions of their lives on Korean Central TV, does Workers' Party of Korea give businesses a formidable tool to do the same, renting beautiful people and blending them with advertising in a way that makes reality nearly indiscernible? Or have marketers found a new tool that offers them a far more efficient way to link brands with potential customers, allowing individuals to turn themselves into living extensions of the Byungjin economy using a structured, mutually beneficial transaction? The answer depends on whom you ask.

  18. Wow. Same scam new nightclubs pull all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    New club opened years ago at my home town... the owner, being a savvy club owner, actually paid hand-picked super-hot girls to come in from the other city centre in the province, hundreds of miles away for the first few weekends, to hang out there and be window dressing. Word spread fast amongst the local young,horny male segment of town that this club was the best place to 'meet girls'. The extra revenue from desperate young guys buying drinks for these girls in a futile hope of taking them home probably made the scheme break even for the talent budget. Brilliant and evil at the same time. Within a few days word got out what was going on, but it remained the biggest 'brand' for a club in the city for years ("Hot girls!" after all...)

  19. Not for restaurants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Restaurants? That's one of the worst implementations. Nobody wants to wait hours behind fake people for food. Maybe tech shops and clothing stores you can just walk around in...

  20. this isn't complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    New restaurant.
    Giant sign "grand opening".
    Nobody there? Nobody cares.
    If people see line around corner, they post on SM "ooh new restaurant line around the block gotta check out #TheInsectEatery"
    They don't care about first-day sales, they're buying word-of-mouth advertising through psychological manipulation of social media hipsters.
    And I don't give a shit.

  21. Putin is laughing by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    "Stupid Americans. I'm doing almost the same thing but with their insipid electoral process and mind-numbing 'social media' and I'm not paying them a Ukrainian dime".

    --
    The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
  22. For all u who "don't get it" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sure, you might not immediately go in because of the line, but guess what, the line made you *notice a new place*. You make a mental note to check out the place sometime in the future. This thing is genius and now we see why geeks should not start their own business- they just don't get marketing.

    1. Re: For all u who "don't get it" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Now that we know apps like this exist, when we see a crowded place with "lines", we will just think they are paying people to stand there. Make a mental note of that, and never visit again.

    2. Re:For all u who "don't get it" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It takes a lot for me to want to make a mental note of something.

      And given that I am not nor have I ever been a herd-minding follower, seeing a crowd of people around something never causes me to make mental notes. Fuck the crowd. They can all jump off a bridge for all I care. I'm not going to come back later to jump when there's no line. I have better things to do.

  23. Isn't this some form of shilling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know if they have similiar laws for regular businesses, but given how shill bidding is illegal, it sure seems like faking popularity should be illegal as well.

    1. Re: Isn't this some form of shilling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh, you do know about Facebook, right?

  24. It is not about queues by WoOS · · Score: 1

    If one RTFAs (yes, I know, this is Slashdot, but one should consider doing it if the summary sounds too far fetched), one gets the impression that the queuing example was made up by the journalist to have something more sensational to write about. Actually the app appears to be about attendance of events.
    Let me cite a few other parts of the article:

    Surkus members have attended 4,200 events for 750 clients, including big-name brands, hospitality groups, live-ticketed shows, movie castings and everyday people who want to throw a party.

    For example: A gaming company throwing a launch party might ask Surkus to find men and women ages 18 to 32 who like comic books, day parties, dance music and the company's product.

    Caroline Thompson, 27, a contributing writer for Vice, said she downloaded Surkus and attended an event last year at a Chicago club full of "finance bros" on a Thursday night.

    "It was a little weird that probably 80 percent of the women at the club were there because of the app," she said.

    They also write that women are typically paid more than men, so we could now start another discussion about equal pay for men and women or conclude that this is mostly an app to fill up some clubs once the "free entry for women" no longer works.

    1. Re:It is not about queues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > one should consider doing it if the summary sounds too far fetched
      Since when is any form of deceit too far fetched for marketing drones?

    2. Re:It is not about queues by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Oh, so you mean things like showing up for a Presidential inauguration. :)

    3. Re:It is not about queues by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Oh, so you mean things like showing up for a Presidential inauguration. :)

      ... or counter protests...

      --
      An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
  25. I just don't get it by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    I'm 61 and I eat out +-3 times a week since 21, always in different resp. new restaurants and I never, ever wait in a line.
    I always have a reservation, go in and am taken immediately to my table to eat. That's it.
    I would never wait for a table when I have a reservation, I just would eat somewhere else, and never go back to that restaurant.
    Is this strictly a US thing?
    Aren't there enough restaurants?

    1. Re:I just don't get it by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Reservations are for snobs. Most American restaurants only take reservations for large groups. You can ask for a reservation, and they'll say yes, but you didn't actually reserve anything and you'll still have to wait if it is busy.

      It is actually quite absurd to always have a reservation, because it means you're never "doing anything" other than going to your meal. It is both more heavily scheduled, and yet contains less activities, than what most other people are doing.

    2. Re:I just don't get it by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "It is actually quite absurd to always have a reservation, because it means you're never "doing anything" other than going to your meal."

      I go to the restaurant because I'm hungry, not to meet chicks in the line. I prefer my chicken on a plate and pronto at that.
      I'm perfectly capable of organizing my own entertainment before or afterwards.

    3. Re:I just don't get it by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, forgot to thank you for the answer, thanks.

    4. Re:I just don't get it by radish · · Score: 1

      I'm a European living in the US. American's are strangely willing to wait (a long time) for tables, and while reservations are a thing at most mid to high end establishments (opentable.com is very popular, and generally works well), you often still have to wait at least a few minutes because frankly they have no idea how to run a reservation book. Chain and casual restaurants are extremely popular here, and never take reservations, and when people decide they want Olive Garden or Outback or whatever they will literally sit outside for an hour waiting.

      --

      ---- Den ene knappen er powerknapp, den andre er Bender voice knapp "Bite My Shiny Metal Ass"

    5. Re:I just don't get it by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Right, but that shows little imagination.

      For example, consider that many of these people are married, and their activities are perhaps more interesting than trying to harass single women in a line somewhere.

      Like, just think of any human activity that takes place outside the home, and is not your job. OK, you're out doing that thing, and at some point somebody gets hungry. Maybe you always carry a few burritos in a pocket, or something? But some people might not like that solution.

      If you're so regimented that all meals are both planned and on-time, that really reduces the range of activities you might have participated in. Presumably no spontaneous activities that last more than an hour.

  26. Lies for a gullible and probably-lying audience by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

    This seems one of the most profitable business right now. Actually having/knowing doesn't seem to matter anymore. It is everywhere, much more in internet: fake followers ("I follow you if you follow me back" or paid followers, all the same), friends, references (people recommending technical skills in exchange of getting theirs recommended too or stars/likes), knowledge (trying to emulate/steal what other people did without even understanding what you are doing), ideas (let's repeat 1000 times today's trendy whatever without even knowing what we are talking about), even fake feelings (people passing from extremely sad to extremely happy in minutes; or feeling attacked by non-existent meanings, even just by being proven wrong), etc.

    I honestly don't get it: why making any effort to be part of nothing? To be liked by those with so worthless opinions? I prefer to be honest and fair, to have actual knowledge/learn/improve/accept my errors, to trust what is trustworthy and like what is likeable. I am not precisely too young (close to my 40s already!), but am forward-thinking (leftist, in case you are interested), adaptable and innovation-prone; I am not the kind of guy who is always remembering the good old days. But I am not liking at all what I am seeing lately (e.g., internet, software/programming knowledge, extremely stupid investments, Hollywood, generic expectations, etc.): there is a systematic promotion of mediocrity, dishonesty, unfair impositions (trolling, unmotivatedly censoring anyone thinking even slightly differently, ignoring those not blindly accepting whatever half truth), also known as stupidity.

    For anyone interested: I prefer to be alone, poor and ignored than participating in that circus of emptiness. I will continue (even more now than before) being completely honest, fair and only showing what I truly have/know; saying "I like" to what I really like while I am liking it; not being afraid of random crazy misinterpretations of each single word I say. I will not tolerate any unjust imposition or any other output of this dictatorship of appearances/ignorance.

    --
    Custom Solvers 2.0 = Alvaro Carballo Garcia = varocarbas.
  27. Black Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When the news start to sound like a Black Mirror script, you know progress has taken a wrong turn.

    1. Re:Black Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great comment!

  28. Hasn't this gone on in politics for a long time? by swb · · Score: 1

    Paying people to attend a candidate's rally so that the media can report that the candidate attracted standing room only crowds? I think I've read this as a tactic as far back as the Kennedy/Nixon race in 1960, especially in states where Kennedy was weak. Joe Kennedy's money and mob connections got big crowds for JFK in places like West Virginia.

    I know the conspiracy folks have been onto this for a while and regularly claim that many protests or big media events have been stage managed with hired crowds/extras, and that's above and beyond the "false flag" claims where they deny there was anything real about a specific event.

  29. Rendering issues? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

    Anyone have humongous ads on the top of the /. page that are fixed and block half the page's content?

    I adblocked the frame and get an empty frame up there now. Still there when reloading the page.

    This sucks. Will try again later.

    --
    Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
  30. my favorite place to eat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is called FUCK KEVIN BACON

  31. Heads up Democrats! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would be a great idea for you. I would call the App "Rent A Mob".

  32. Let the discrimination lawsuits begin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) forbids age discrimination against people who are age 40 or older." I'm over 40 so where can I sign up to sue this company right now. Silicon Valley proves once again it has no intention of fighting discrimination.

  33. Should be considered fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and criminalized accordingly.

  34. They use it near me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awesome Chips in Wood Green Shopping City, London, UK is using this service (or one very like it).

    I got fooled by it and tried the chips, they were nothing special. On a later date I asked some people in the queue and they told me they were being paid to buy the chips and either eat them or take them far enough away to dump them without being seen.

    I don't know what the business model is because the margin on chips is terrible.

  35. Yogi Berra said it best by s122604 · · Score: 1

    "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"