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Ericsson Is Planning To Cut 25,000 Jobs in Brutal Response To Crisis, Report Says (businessinsider.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Multinational telecom operator Ericsson -- which carries 40% of the world's mobile traffic on its networks and is Sweden's second largest company by revenue -- reported another disappointing quarter last month. As response, the troubled company's new CEO Borje Ekholm announced costs cuts of 10 billion SEK ($1,25 bn) per year. He did not say how many jobs were at stake. Now insider sources have provided details to Svenska Dagbladet (SvD), indicating that Ericsson's restructuring will be more brutal than expected. The Swedish newspaper reports that there are advanced plans to cut Ericsson's operations by 80-90 percent in some markets, and centralize several European markets. However, the 14,000 employee-strong Swedish work force is to stay intact -- at least all R&D engineers. "Right now, Ericsson is hiring engineers to repair the damage that earlier saving packages caused. It's crucial that most of all the Swedish R&D department remains somewhat protected. They are the ones who will come up with the new solutions that will drive sales in the long term," said a person with insight into the process. According to internal sources, up to 25,000 people may be affected by the restructuring program. The Swedish company currently employs 109,000 people across 110 offices around the world.

96 comments

  1. What does this mean for the Erlang? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does this mean for the Erlang programming language? According to Wikipedia's article about Erlang, "Erlang/OTP is supported and maintained by the OTP product unit at Ericsson.".

    1. Re:What does this mean for the Erlang? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're replacing it with Rust.

  2. Low hanging fruit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who knew they had 25,000 janitors?

  3. Not a telecom operator by fACTOR · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ericsson is not a telecom operator, but a telecoms equipment company.

    1. Re:Not a telecom operator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually not true, they have a rather larger division that outsources telecom and networking operations as a contract service.

    2. Re:Not a telecom operator by Shatrat · · Score: 2

      That does not make them an operator, that still just makes them a vendor. Professional Services is just another product vendors supply to operators and service providers.
      https://wiki.mef.net/display/C...

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    3. Re: Not a telecom operator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the states Ericsson is considered a 'Managed Services provider', to be exact.

    4. Re:Not a telecom operator by sabri · · Score: 1

      Your link is irrelevant. E/// is not a metro-E provider. Ericsson's primary networking business is in radio-related equipment like base-stations and microwave. According to E///'s annual report (https://www.ericsson.com/assets/local/investors/documents/2016/ericsson-annual-report-2016-en.pdf), Global Services and Support brought more revenue than their Networks sales. Also, Ericsson operates a lot of networks that it did not build, here is one example: the LTSS network of NBN in Australia.

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  4. not an interesting employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ericsson has a management problem , not an employee problem , i worked for them for 3 years , was originally hired as a full hire but they fucked me up in my contract mot making me a full employee , i.e treating me as a consultant but at the same salary as full hires and no socials being renewed at 3 months period , they ended up dismissing me when i asked they either titularise me or give me my consulting fees as an independent , i am a single parent and i told them straight off on the first phone calls that i am not interested in temp work and that medical insurances was mandatory . they chose to fuck me over and i have no issue in letting the world know . Ericsson is nowhere a select employer.

    1. Re:not an interesting employer by known_coward_69 · · Score: 0

      WTF? And they say US care is bad?

      One of my kids needed an ENT last year and was seen the same day

    2. Re:not an interesting employer by GrabbaTheButt · · Score: 2
      I think the point he is making that the deal he entered into with Ericsson was to be a FTE (Full time employee) and they didn't honor the agreement and instead treated him as a sub contractor but at FTE rates... the worst of both worlds. Less pay and no benefits.

      As someone who also worked at Ericsson in their consulting arm I can agree they SUCK and have terrible management. After 5 "managers" in 3 years that they seemed to randomly pull out of a hat.... Jim will now be the manager , and he will manage, lets see, Bob and Tim and Julie! Lets meet again with the magic hat and change it up... I was so happy to jump ship to the client I was at the whole time who actually knew what I was doing and actually appreciated me.

    3. Re:not an interesting employer by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Or, you know, Ericsson, being a *multinational* company, might also employee people outside of Sweden. If fact they might even have offices in such backwards countries as the US, perhaps even a headquarters in Plano, Texas (https://www.ericsson.com/en/careers/global-locations/rnam), one of the most stereotypical "conservative" states in the country.

       

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    4. Re:not an interesting employer by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      WTF? And they say US care is bad?

      One of my kids needed an ENT last year and was seen the same day

      Shh ... it's an article of faith for them that US care is awful and Euro care is awesome.

    5. Re:not an interesting employer by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      If there is an acute problem that needs treatment, the patient will be seen the same day. If it can wait - like a routine checkup - an appointment is required, although some specialists really take their time.

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    6. Re: not an interesting employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Ericsson doesn't offer additional medical insurance to its full-time engineers in Sweden anyway (except as an optional salary deduction that is more expensive than getting one yourself for a few dollars per month with better coverage).

    7. Re:not an interesting employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best thing that ever happened to me was getting laid off from them. They're so caught up in bureaucracy that nothing ever gets done, they re-org constantly and I was there 4 years and they had 6 major layoffs, with the 6th one finally hitting me. You spend your entire time working there worried about if you're going to get outsourced. They moved maintenance for key infrastructure components every 2 years. Just as I was learning the systems to effectively maintain them, they laid me off and sent the work somewhere else. They believe engineers are cogs and any cog can replace any other cog and there is no spin up time needed when replacing cogs. That was my biggest problem, they seemed to not understand that it takes time to learn a system, they never took spin up time in to consideration.

    8. Re:not an interesting employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, they are awesome when they have time for you.

    9. Re:not an interesting employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, my CT/MRI never happen in Ontario, Canada (headache 24/7 for over 1 yr). I went to the US for a short contract, goto doctor and complaint about numbness, sent to MRI immediately, costed me less than $1000, with result, went back to the same doctor ... brain aneurysm.

      With MRI result, doctor recommendation, free surgery in Ontario, Canada within 2 weeks (was told the same procedure could cost up to 100k in US)

    10. Re:not an interesting employer by TechnoCore · · Score: 1

      Because what you state is simply not true, you do get treatment about as quickly as anywhere else. I live in Sweden, and you are a rambling annonymous coward.

    11. Re:not an interesting employer by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Germany here. When I went down with acute abdominal pain, I got a CT a couple of hours later. I had to wait a month for a MRI after a spinal disc herniation, but then again the diagnosis was pretty clear in the first place, the doctor just wanted to know which disc has failed (two discs, as it came out after the MRI). With the result I got additional personal rehabilitation training with 10 EUR copayment for each session. As an additional bonus, the trainer was a pretty hot MILF.

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    12. Re:not an interesting employer by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      No they fit me in cause it was somewhat of an emergency and it was a referral from a pediatrician they know. and if they didn't i would have just went to one of the other of dozens of ENT doctors in my area within a few days.

      The only time I really have to wait is when I want an appointment on a weekend so I don't have to take off from work. Those are a long wait.

    13. Re:not an interesting employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of my kids also needed an ENT (in the US). It took 3 weeks to get an appointment and then another month to get the procedure scheduled. We had to have it OKed by the ENT, & insurance. Afterward, we had to go back and forth with the insurance & hospital because they said they didn't cover it... and convince them that they already said they DID cover it and it is covered...

      After the pediatrician's suggestion to go to ENT, we interacted with no less than 14 employee positions across ENT (4), insurance (4), & hospital (6); JUST to schedule & complete the procedure. Each could have a shift change that had us talking to different people within.

      An associate in INDIA going to the Apollo hospital, got it done in 2 weeks and had to interact with 7 people. And people wonder why healthcare is expensive in the US.

    14. Re: not an interesting employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is amazing how much a pretty smile can improve the recovery process!

    15. Re:not an interesting employer by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 1

      Your socials are covered by the collective agreement and th swedish government. Those who are able to negotiate private health insurance are key positions not the average worker. If you have to take care of your kid it pays about 80% of your salary and it's no biggie and you are as a male encuraged to take parental leave (for no other reason then to spend time with your kid) under a very generous system.

    16. Re:not an interesting employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except that's not actually true (see clarifications above) and you are now just feeling smug in your ideological bubble based on intentionally misunderstanding the facts. Tell me, how quickly do you get an MRI in the US if you don't have insurance?

    17. Re:not an interesting employer by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      . . . That pretty much showcases the good and bad side of both systems.

    18. Re: not an interesting employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I know is that sock puppeteering is bad. Didn't your mom tell you that?

    19. Re:not an interesting employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like: if it requires a specialist, is not urgent, and you don't want to talk them into it, then private insurance is the way to get speedy care.
      But yes, they try to keep health care costs down, and that does have some pretty had results occasionally.
      Politicians setting the hospital's budget is not necessarily the perfect way to handle things.
      Also there is a pretty significant difference between a "separate insurance" for $10/month to avoid some of the issues with the "free" one and whatever health insurance costs in the US.

    20. Re:not an interesting employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3 different people confirmed it. You come along and say its not true, without any details, and then name call me.

      Who is more likely to be believed? The person with multiple people responding and discussing the issue, or you who just say "you lie" and then name call.

    21. Re:not an interesting employer by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      there is literally no possibility of having issues with medical insurance.

      You mean, apart from the likelihood of inappropriate and expensive treatment which will reduce your quality of life or life expectancy.

      I've seen both US and European socialized medicine first hand and the idea that the US "system" is better is laughable.

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    22. Re:not an interesting employer by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      MRI machines have gotten a lot cheaper recently. The computational resources required to analyze the results are now doable with a standard desktop machine and there are better superconductors available which can do most tasks without requiring as much cooling as the old devices which needed to be at the temperature of liquid helium. So I expect this situation to change eventually.

    23. Re: not an interesting employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another political off topic response that is on the current talking points memo. /. Astroturfing... Getting easier and easier to spot.
      The readers here aren't your typical Facebook crowd.
      Weak effort, go away.

    24. Re:not an interesting employer by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      WTF? And they say US care is bad?

      Mostly "they" don't say US care is bad. They say it is way overpriced, and many people don't have access.

      Health spending per person in Sweden: $4900.
      Health spending per person in America: $10,500

      Life expectancy in Sweden: 82.5 years
      Life expectancy in America: 79.3 years

      No access to healthcare in Sweden: Less than 1%
      No access to healthcare in America: About 12%

      Government spending on healthcare in Sweden: $3800 per person (about 75% of total)
      Government spending on healthcare in America: $6300* per person (about 60% of total)
      *Medicare, Medicaid, VA, and ACA subsidies.

    25. Re:not an interesting employer by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      The waits are probably longer in Sweden (or japan, or the UK, or Germany, or France, or any developed country), while the care in the US is probably on par, or better (if you can afford it.)

      But US tax rates are lower. And it's a really tough sell politically in this country to get people to look beyond the next paycheck.

      Basically It's really, really, really hard to have a single payer system that works when half the population would have an easier time paying 11 quintillion dollaroos for a jet of very limited utility than to help their neighbor from going into bankruptcy over health issues.

      (Queue up the slashdot liberterians, with the delicious "I've got mine, fuck you" attitude.)

    26. Re:not an interesting employer by farble1670 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Being a temp, asking for FT employment, and getting rejected is not being "f***** over". As a temp you either endear yourself to your employer and make your indispensable, or you don't. You didn't.

    27. Re:not an interesting employer by youngone · · Score: 1

      New Zealand here. My wife slipped on the stairs at home and broke her ankle. Total cost to us, about NZ$65 for a few Physiotherapist sessions.
      We don't have medical insurance, and it wouldn't have made a difference in her care anyway.
      I am so glad I live in a country where one accident won't bankrupt me.

  5. Re:Undo the Damage of Prior Savings Packages by Megol · · Score: 1

    For research? No.

  6. Swedish unions save there jobs the us office H1B's by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Swedish unions save there jobs the us office H1B's to cut costs.

  7. Re:Undo the Damage of Prior Savings Packages by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The MBA classes that I have took, actually encouraged R&D and making a solid product. The problem is the misinterpretation of the statement that "A companies first priorities are to towards the shareholders" The person who had created that statement actually went on to expand and apologized for it. At the time of that statement a lot of companies were running their business to the grown with shareholder money and just pocketing the money, or putting the money not into the business but towards other causes they may feel they want to put it into. This wasn't meant as a statement to put short term gains over a long term plan, but to make sure the money used for the business is put towards the growth of the business, so the shareholders will be able get payback from their investments.

    Often these decisions are also not from some Harvard MBA, but from accountants, who need to report quarterly, which cannot always get a direct correlation of money put into R&D and company profits.

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  8. Short term good, Long term bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the long run what companies do is resell the labor that they buy. If they buy less labor they have less to sell on at a profit. In the short run layoffs improve profits because the company is still reselling the labor of people who they no longer employ. In the long run they have less labor to resell. But by then the managers have already cashed their bonus checks and that money is difficult to claw back.

  9. How do you cut 40% of you workforce by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Without collapsing? Either they've got some Amazing automation coming online or their gearing up for a buy out. Either way the employees are gonna get screwed.

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    1. Re:How do you cut 40% of you workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's about 20%.

      From the sound it, it is mostly focused on the "services" business unit. Which if I remember correctly was led and grown by the previous CEO before he got the CEO position and as such probably held a protected position as long as he was CEO. Now that he is gone, management who has held their opinion to themselves about that business unit are probably speaking up.

    2. Re:How do you cut 40% of you workforce by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      It's like hypothermia. They have to cut off the extremities or die in the short term. Hopefully if they retain their core R&D they can ride the 5G wave. If they do not put R&D first right now, Huawei and Nokia will crush them when 5G rollouts start.

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    3. Re:How do you cut 40% of you workforce by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 1

      No Swedish jobs affected (where most r&d is made). They centralize sales and get out of support contracts they are doing at a loss. This is as far as reports go, very little has been said officially except for the no swedish jobs affected.

    4. Re:How do you cut 40% of you workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without collapsing? Either they've got some Amazing automation coming online or their gearing up for a buy out. Either way the employees are gonna get screwed.

      Cut headcount in "non core business lines".

      For a company that does R&D and manufacturing mainly focused on telecom equipment, then "managed serices" would be a "non core business lines". Why? Most telecom operators like to operate their own networks because that's how they ensure fast response to problems. Most companies that operate "managed services" for other companies tend to be slower in responding to problems for various reasons.

      The concept of "managed services" works best for a "super small micro operator" somewhere in BFE where having a small full-time staff is key to maintaining profitability and covering any "gaps in staffing & support" with "managed services". Examples of "managed servies" might be cell tower techs, network monitoring, "value add services" for your customers.

      What a "managed services" provider gains in that sort of business is "economies of scale", provided the service can be "shared" by multiple customers (spreads the cost around).

    5. Re: How do you cut 40% of you workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ericsson could have used their intimsten knowledge of the Tech in Order to provide top notch operations Services.

      But that still requires good Management, knowledge Transfer, compentent people and so on. Things which can be easily killed by an MBA Muppet in à Frenzy.

    6. Re:How do you cut 40% of you workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really surprising since they already cut a lot of it.
      No point in getting rid of more R&D.

  10. Re:Swedish unions save there jobs the us office H1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah.
    It is cheap to do mass layoffs in Sweden compared to the rest of Europe.
    Additionally engineer salaries are rather low.

  11. Re:Undo the Damage of Prior Savings Packages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suggest you add some English grammar classes to the mix. The past participle of the infinitive verb "to take" is "taken," not "took."

    The MBA classes that I have *taken* ...

  12. They have 25k jobs to cut? by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

    Uhm, I'm surprised they still have that many employees.

    1. Re:They have 25k jobs to cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because manufacturing the highest quality and most secure telecom equipment in the world would not yield enough sales to actually have employees?

    2. Re: They have 25k jobs to cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice oxymorons you have there. I Bet NSA have them fully pwned. Plus the russkies and à dozen others...

    3. Re: They have 25k jobs to cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's the American brands, like Cisco and Juniper. To date, nothing has been revealed that indicates Ericsson equipment has been compromised.

  13. Only part of the problem anyway by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Ericsson was the victim of a huge amount of IP theft. It was obvious when a Chinese telecom equipment provider released a router a few years ago which looked exactly like an Ericsson router and behaved exactly the same way. Including all of the bugs and "features" for developer access to diagnostics. It took quite a while for them to react, and what they did to try and stop the theft was too little too late.

    When developer cost is favored over security at every step of the process, well... they could have seen this coming.

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    1. Re: Only part of the problem anyway by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 2

      Huawei opened office close by Ericssons hq, and atleast three people was arrested giving IP to a russian, probably one with diplomatic immunity given the secrecy surrounding the issue, don't remember how it all turned out in the end though. (This all happened a couple of years ago).

  14. Re:Another Trump Victory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    alt-left + commie

  15. Re:Undo the Damage of Prior Savings Packages by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    No worries, Sweden has plenty of "immigrants" to fill those positions!

    So that instead of having to modify a cellphone to act as a detonator, they will be able to just bring up an app.

  16. Have they tried naming their phone ANGSLILJA? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    May be the secret to a Swedish companies success lies in very creative names like Ansglilja, Applaro, Klasen, Graslok Nunnerort with lots of double dots over O and tiny circles on top of A liberally sprinkled.

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    1. Re:Have they tried naming their phone ANGSLILJA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I love my Covfefe phone!

    2. Re:Have they tried naming their phone ANGSLILJA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also have dots over the A if no O is available to put them over.

  17. 5G is ready, and Ericsson developed it by McCaskill · · Score: 2

    But cell phone providers (aka Telecomm oligopoly) are making so much money right now, that they don`t feel the pressure to buy new equipments or provide better services. They don't care. When they are ready to invest, Ericsson will be well positioned.

    1. Re:5G is ready, and Ericsson developed it by whoever57 · · Score: 1
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  18. Only part of the IP problem anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But...but...IP theft doesn't hurt anyone. At least that's what Slashdot tells us.

  19. Undo the Damage of Corporate Personhood. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://corporationsarenotpeople.com/

  20. Re:Undo the Damage of Prior Savings Packages by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 1

    For research? No.

    Actually there are. Higher education in Sweden used to be free for all, that led to a lot of students from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh (and others). They generally studied tech related subjects. On a swedish student visa you are allowed to work, so many found work that could be combined with the studies. Once the studies are over you either go back or as most opt, you try to get a work permit. Rules are you need an offer of employment valid for two years that pays at least 13000 sek/month (about 1600 usd). Do that twice and third time you get a permanent residency. What happend was that they couldn't find work related to their education under those conditions (it's the valid for two years part that is problematic and you can only have one employer so no temp work), but they could get an offer of employment from the menial work they did for extra money as a student. Many are now stuck in those positions as their education is slowly fading into obscurity.

  21. Yet another part of the problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another Microsoft IP proxy troll gets their comeuppance.

  22. Re:Undo the Damage of Prior Savings Packages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Immigrant = Terrorist to you? Asshole

  23. Re:Swedish unions save there jobs the us office H1 by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 1

    Actually Ericsson has employees with work permits, however to get one you must have an offer of work with conditions that are not worse than the collective agreement or what's common on the swedish labour market. As Ericsson has a collective agreement they can not (easily at least) dump wages. As others have noted layoffs in Sweden is cheap and engineer salaries are lower than for example germany.

  24. hold up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait wait wait....is he saying that R+D and engineering, the people who actually produce something, are actually *more important* than middle managers and marketing dweebs? Did I just read that??

  25. Microsoft Shopping(tm) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, Microsoft! There is another great sale available. It's time for the Windows Infrastructure Edition, or Windows IE. Everything will go just fine this time, I promise.

  26. Whatever you do, don't get rid of the... by mspohr · · Score: 2

    Telephone Sanitizers
    (HHGTTG ref)

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  27. What planet did I just step onto?? by ErichTheRed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I mean, I get that Ericsson probably saw they need to get going if they want to be part of 5G and future telecom equipment rollouts....but I have NEVER heard a CEO, even of a technology company, acknowledge that they haven't spent enough on R&D. At least lately, R&D has always been a cost that had to be minimized in any way possible. Anything outside of a 3-month timeframe is completely off the table at most companies; it has to affect this quarter's numbers or it's totally invisible.

    At least in big US corporations, I blame this on the MBA grooming cycle. MBAs are taught that they can manage anything using metrics and spreadsheets, and that they need no knowledge of the actual business processes they're managing...it's enough to be able to run the numbers. Add to this the fact that an MBA gets you an immediate management job at most companies, even if you've never done the work before or know anything about the company. And on top of that, the truly elite business schools graduate MBAs who haven't really had to work or get any real-world experience. It's Harvard MBA --> McKinsey --> VP job at a high-end McKinsey customer, with no stops in between. I've seen this happen in a couple of large companies - you get people who have no clue what's going on unless there's a dashboard telling them some metric is out of spec.

    I wish more companies would admit mistakes like Ericsson is doing and try to focus on something other than the share price...but I'm not holding my breath!

    1. Re:What planet did I just step onto?? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      There is another path:

      MBA -> VC firm -> CEO of VC dependent company.

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    2. Re:What planet did I just step onto?? by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      MBAs are taught that they can manage anything using metrics and spreadsheets, and that they need no knowledge of the actual business processes they're managing

      Can someone with an MBA comment on whether or not this is true?

    3. Re:What planet did I just step onto?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MBAs are not the ones to look out for. Accountants and financiers are. They see the company through metrics and spreadsheets. Young modern MBAs idolise Steve Jobs and other great creators, and have more long-term views.

      An MBA cannot make up for specialised knowledge of an industry though. Telecoms is particularly complex, and requires decades of experience within it, and a touch of experience outside it in order to ground yourself, to excel at a senior management level.

    4. Re:What planet did I just step onto?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MBAs are taught that they can manage anything using metrics and spreadsheets, and that they need no knowledge of the actual business processes they're managing

      Can someone with an MBA comment on whether or not this is true?

      Not true. I have a CS undergrad degree and an MBA. Like a CS degree, with an MBA you are taught several pattern/frameworks in which to operate. Once you are out of school - experience helps determine which pattern/framework is appropriate to utilize in a given situation. And most importantly, when NO existing pattern/framework exists for a given situation and you have to come up with something entirely new. Having background of a given business is absolutely critical to determine which pattern/framework to operate in.

      The danger with MBAs is being freshly minted out of school without said experience and then given enormous power to enact change within a company. I don't blame that on MBAs - I blame that on clueless companies who don't have good leadership in place to begin in.

      You have tools at your disposal with any job - and senior folks who know what they are doing. Use both appropriately. You'll find MBAs have their advantages in such cases when leveraged correctly.

    5. Re:What planet did I just step onto?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish more companies would admit mistakes like Ericsson is doing

      Admitting mistakes has been Ericsson's core business for about 20 fucking years now. Be careful what you wish for.

  28. like the way of UNISYS ?-- adios amigo - au revoir by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not sure, but I recall UNISYS was pretty drastic at the end, unlike Ericsson ? true or false?

    don't need an MBA to review history. just need an MBA to analyze errors and fix the broken thingy..

  29. Never Cut Engineering/R&D for your core busine by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Right now, Ericsson is hiring engineers to repair the damage that earlier saving packages caused. It's crucial that most of all the Swedish R&D department remains somewhat protected. They are the ones who will come up with the new solutions that will drive sales in the long term,"

    In other words, the last CEO was a typical MBA jackass who cut engineering/R&D as a short term cost savings measure, and now they are paying a huge price (~25% layoff based on 100k employees). It never ceases to amaze me how many CEOs view R&D as overhead, and cut those employees willy nilly and then laugh all the way to the bank when they pull the ripcord on their golden parachute in 5 years as the company tanks because they don't have any products to compete because they starved their pipeline to fatten the C-level executive bonuses. (A karmic law that will never be passed would be for management bonuses to be impounded for 5 years and distributed to any employees laid off for 5 years after the bonus is paid.)

    The root cause of all this stupid is the practice of paying CEOs more than god in salary and bonuses for what amounts to a relatively simple job (look at the market, competition, position and guess where to go/what to do next). Regardless of what the CEOs might say, most larger, established companies would probably do better being guided by a simple algorithm that looks at maybe 15 key factors and then decides if the company should expand, how many new products to pursue etc. and then let market research and engineering feasiblity studies guide what products are selected using a Pugh study.

    CEOs are fast becoming the emperor with no clothes and are in the same category as fund managers (hint: you are better off with an index fund, since fund managers are about as good as throwing darts at a wall). Companies need to come up with a similar, stable form of governance to an index fund.

    Most real work is done by lower management, HR, sales, sales research, etc. "Vision" might be marketed by CEOs as some ineffable thing, but most companies would do a lot better long term hiring someone internally for $300k/year who knows WTF the company is in the business of doing.

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  30. Re: Never Cut Engineering/R&D for your core bu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 1% Work for themselves. You are Just à plebejan who dies Not Count. Antifa will keep you in Line.

  31. Americans are easy.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. to fire. Because, as anyone who's ever worked for a company headquartered outside the US, those in the home country (especially true of EU countries) are much more difficult to get rid of than Americans. I cite Alcatel-Lucent and Ericsson as prime examples.

  32. How can this be happening? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't Sweden held up on Slashdot as the ideal paradise to live, eat, and play [not work]?
    A Swedish company in trouble in paradise must be 'fake news'!

  33. Just cut 50pc salaries of non-r&d staff. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just cut 50pc salary of non-r&d staff. Those who want to remain will remain, those who hoose to go will go.