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Australia Joins China and Japan in Trying To Regulate Digital Currency Exchanges (cnbc.com)

Following moves by China and Japan to regulate digital currencies, Australia is attempting to crackdown on money laundering and terrorism financing with plans to regulate bitcoin exchanges. From a report: "The threat of serious financial crime is constantly evolving, as new technologies emerge and criminals seek to nefariously exploit them. These measures ensure there is nowhere for criminals to hide," said Australia's Minister for Justice Michael Keenan in a press release. The Australian government proposed a set of reforms on Thursday which will close a gap in regulation and bring digital currency exchange providers under the remit of the Australian Transactions and Reporting Analysis Centre. These exchanges serve as marketplaces where traders can buy and sell digital currencies, such as bitcoin, using fiat currencies, such as the dollar. The reform bill is intended to strengthen the Anti-Money Laundering and Counter-Terrorism Financing Act and increase the powers of AUSTRAC.

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  1. Big Brother Syndrome by Praedon · · Score: 1

    I get that things like digital currencies can be used to money launder and fund nefarious activity, but can anything be sacred anymore? What about the mining aspect? Is big brother going to monitor GPU usage too?

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    1. Re:Big Brother Syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "... but can anything be sacred anymore?"
      Now that's funny. Libertarian Crackpots have been pushing Cryptocurrencies almost with a religious fervor... but I had no idea that they actually took it this seriously. "Our Father, who art in Mammon..."

      "What about the mining aspect? Is big brother going to monitor GPU usage too?"
      As in other recent Get Rich Quick Schemes, those who made the real money sold Shovels and Beans. In this case pretty much worthless yet extremely expensive GPUs, and Kilowatt-hours.
      Big Brother is quite pleased at those hefty Electrical Bills, which they keep meticulous records of.
      Big Brother is not whom you think.

    2. Re:Big Brother Syndrome by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      Big Brother is not whom you think.

      I know exactly who big brother is. His name is Mark and he's got tattoos on both arms. Don't mess with big brother.

      p.s.: Hey Mark, I'm just kidding! You know that, right?

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    3. Re:Big Brother Syndrome by Praedon · · Score: 1

      A broken clock happens to be right twice a day. I don't know nor care what your political affiliation is, or what you think mine is, but I'm more concerned with privacy and having things the government doesn't have its hands in. There's a lot of things I support the government(s) having their hand in, in terms of healthy civilization maintenance, but when is too much, too much? Perhaps they should also monitor Blizzard's gold currency system for World of Warcraft too. Never know if those nerds are terrorists in Azeroth!

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    4. Re:Big Brother Syndrome by Praedon · · Score: 1

      I don't play WoW either, but I used to play it. It used to be a multi-million dollar market selling digital currency (in-game gold). Chinese gold farms popped up and made so much money doing it. Even Steve Bannon got involved with it. http://www.avclub.com/article/... It's not seen as just a game to people like Steve Bannon. It was seen as an opportunity.

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  2. They haven't said for the children yet? by TheInternet01 · · Score: 2

    I mean sure crime and money laundering bad, absolutely, but people can simply bargain goods for a lot of that too, so there is a work around. The real issue is pure fear that they lose control of money, which they waste so much of. It's a hard stance for me personally since regulation to prevent money laundering is important (We need our paved roads, taxes pay for them, people need to be paying their taxes) but it takes the ability to manipulate money and hose everyone as easily like certain countries whose dollar dropped to near nothing.

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    1. Re:They haven't said for the children yet? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Your point is valid, and even more. This is central bankers protecting their cushy jobs and their power.

      A good money should be portable, durable, recognizable, divisible, uniform, intrinsically valuable, and scarce. I don't like digital currency because it's not intrinsically valuable, but neither is government paper money which has the additional disadvantage of being a tool for evil people.

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    2. Re:They haven't said for the children yet? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I mean sure crime and money laundering bad, absolutely

      No. Most "crimes" that involve money laundering are things that shouldn't be crimes. Instead of tightening the screws even more, we should end the drug wars. Colorado, Uruguay, and Portugal have all taken steps in the right direction, and with mostly good results: more taxes collected and fewer citizens going to prison.

    3. Re:They haven't said for the children yet? by TheInternet01 · · Score: 1

      People launder money to just avoid paying taxes. Tax scams are pretty frequent too.

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    4. Re:They haven't said for the children yet? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      People launder money to just avoid paying taxes.

      If taxes are that easy to avoid, then they are inherently unfair because honest people will pay more than their share.

      Taxes that are hard to avoid: Property taxes, sales/consumption taxes, excise taxes

      Taxes that are easier to avoid: Income taxes, payroll taxes.

    5. Re:They haven't said for the children yet? by TheInternet01 · · Score: 1

      So either you're advocating pot which, who cares we've all heard from stoners, you'll probably get your way. It'll be amazing like liquor where you'll still be charged criminally for selling it, not allowed to grow vast quantities of it, more technology to detect if you're under the influence of it while driving etc. So not that big of a deal.

      Out where I live it's only the people who are selling it etc that are busted. Cops could care less for the paper work for someone with a personal amount.

      On top of that, you just really wanted to run your agenda? I never said "Most crimes are X". So your first response was "No. Most crimes" to crime and money laundering bad.

      You think they're good? Or you think we should legalize heroin etc? I mean even if it's legal, whose responsibility is it to provide that to anyone?
      If you get sick and need anti-biotics, you have to pay for that.

      But what, somehow if you need heroin because when you took it you felt really good and now you're addicted? You'll still have the same problems with extremely addicting substance. E.G It'll put you in a state that you can't work, or you can't afford enough of what you want, which then people result to crime to get a little more. I mean you can't be high on this stuff at work, so people would need to be functional 8 hours a day.

      It just doesn't look like it ends well from any angle except the "I'm a no good and think everything should be idealistic and free and I should get whatever I want and somehow it's paid for, by everyone else" Well I got news for you if that's your view. Everyone is going to join you, then who is going to pay for it? Yea, enjoy that.

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  3. Don't pretend you're surprised by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The first time I ever heard of 'Bitcoin', the first thing I thought was "this will be used for money laundering, hiding assets, and trafficking in contraband and for other illegal activities, guaranteed" and steered entirely clear of it. I knew that at some point governments would, one way or another, take control of it, for good or for ill.

    Don't even pretend you're surprised this is happening, and don't even bother to act all righteously indignated over it, either, you're just being over-the-top disingenuous if you do.

    1. Re:Don't pretend you're surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The first time I ever heard of 'Bitcoin', the first thing I thought was "this will be used for money laundering, hiding assets, and trafficking in contraband and for other illegal activities, guaranteed"

      Isn't this true of any currency? I mean I can go and buy drugs with cash. Money laundering has been going on for hundreds if not into the thousands of years. There is nothing new here, just the same old thing in a new way.

    2. Re:Don't pretend you're surprised by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      As AC above me just said, what's the fucking difference between crypto-currencies and government-printed money? They both can be used for bad things, just like everything else on the planet.

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    3. Re:Don't pretend you're surprised by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Government-printed money is a lot easier to track, that's the difference.

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    4. Re:Don't pretend you're surprised by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Nothing you said changes or invaldates anything I said. Also you can't exchange physical currency anonymously over the internet like you can cryptocurrency, so your point is more or less invalid.

    5. Re:Don't pretend you're surprised by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      And who in their right mind ever thought that was going to work? If that was 'the point' then maybe cryptocurrency was created for the sole purpose of funding illegal activities.

    6. Re:Don't pretend you're surprised by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      This.

      At its inception I warned that as soon as bitcoin found a way to convert to more traditional currencies, it would be regulated .

      Duh.

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    7. Re:Don't pretend you're surprised by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

      Except with printed currencies you actually have to carry a suitcase and travel with it stopping thru customs who is going to be very interested in your suitcase with 1 mil in cash. Crypto's bypass all that and let you sit in your underwear and send it. There are many controls on currency. Just ask Dennis Hastert. Would he as a pedophile been caught if he used bitcoin?

    8. Re:Don't pretend you're surprised by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      The government's view is: leave the laundering, extortion, and fraud to the professionals ... the government.

    9. Re:Don't pretend you're surprised by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      When you use government-printed money for illegal activities, you have a choice between physically handing over the money (which can't be tracked, but you can be observed doing it, and the bills can be marked somehow so they CAN be tracked), or using some other method of transferring it that CAN be tracked. Cyptocurrency can be transferred electronically, anonymously, and remotely, and untraceably. That's the difference, and that's why it's perfectly adapted for criminal activity.

    10. Re:Don't pretend you're surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, Australia’s greatest money-laundering bonanza, property, continues to wash money for criminals and terrorists everywhere.

      In 2015, the global regulator of money laundering – the Paris-based Financial Action Taskforce (FATF) – released its mutual evaluation report which found Australian homes are a haven for laundered funds, particularly from China.

      Then in March this year, Transparency International ranked Australia as having the weakest anti-money laundering (AML) laws in the Anglosphere, failing all 10 priority areas.

      And in June, FATF placed Australia on a watch list for failing to comply with money laundering and terrorism financing reforms.

      Legislation to implement the second tranche of anti-money laundering (AML) legislation covering real estate gate keepers has been gathering dust in Canberra for a decade.

      Accordingly, realtors, lawyers, accountants and other real estate gate keepers are currently exempted from AML requirements. And this exemption has provided an easy avenue for foreign buyers to launder funds through Australian property.

  4. Re:Outlaw it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There's no social benefit to gold, and they encourage ransomware and fraud.
    Just outlaw the exchange of currency for gold mediums of exchange and it will no longer have any value as a ransomware tool.

    There's no social benefit to US dollars, and they encourage ransomware and fraud.
    Just outlaw the exchange of currency for US dollars mediums of exchange and it will no longer have any value as a ransomware tool.

    There's no social benefit to [Insert currencey], and they encourage ransomware and fraud.

    I bet you didn't think about this when you posted this. You can still get cash deposited into a bank that your government doesn't have access to, convert the cash to bonds, sell the bonds for gold, convert the gold to cash. Takes a few more steps but the end result is the same.

    There's no social benefit to blockchain-based 'coins', and they encourage ransomware and fraud.

    Haven't scammers used Western Union to get people to pay for ransomware exploits from people? Should we ban Western Union? How does this increase fraud? A bitcoin can be verified because of the blockchain.

  5. Japan Actually Promotes Bitcoin by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2

    Japan recognizes Bitcoin as a legal form of payment. This helps, not hurt, Bitcoin. If they considered Bitcoin harmful they would not have done that. One of the factors pushing Bitcoin up to such high levels is the Japanese consumer who is now empowered by the Japanese government legalizing Bitcoin.

    https://www.coindesk.com/japan...

    Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000 Due to Strong Japanese Demand: CNBC
    https://cointelegraph.com/news......

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    1. Re:Japan Actually Promotes Bitcoin by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      Now is the time to push my new HentaiTentacles coin!

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  6. translation by doctorvo · · Score: 1

    The threat of serious financial crime is constantly evolving, as new technologies emerge and criminals seek to nefariously exploit them.

    Translation: "OMG, people are transacting business in unregulated free markets without the heavy hand of government being able to scoop out its pound of flesh or pay off its cronies."

    The Australian government proposed a set of reforms on Thursday which will close a gap in regulation and bring digital currency exchange providers under the remit of the Australian Transactions and Reporting Analysis Centre.

    Well, good luck with that. I'm sure it's going to be just as effective as trying to repeal the laws of mathematics.

    Mr. Keenan: you're an ignorant, totalitarian prick, and you'll be the laughing stock of future generations, provided that you are lucky enough that they'll remember you at all.

  7. Decentralized Banking by crafoo · · Score: 1

    A centralized governing body moves to control decentralized banking. Right, of course. God forbid the control of capital is given back to the people. Or that it cannot be easily controlled and manipulated by a handful of deep state actors. We can't have people exchanging goods and services among themselves using a system that isn't easily monitored, tracked, and controlled! That's madness.

    You give these fuckers a taste of total tyrannical control of the monetary system and suddenly they believe it's their god-given right to reach down into everyone's private lives and business.

  8. Re:Outlaw it. by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    So, you don't understand cryptocurrencies.

    We get it.

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  9. Re:Outlaw it. by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    I am going to call shenanigans on this.

    The government just prints more money and the people who get dumped on are ordinary working people who don't get raises and have to pay higher prices for EVERYTHING from the inflation.

    Outlaw government stealth taxes and keep their Weimar, dystopian fingers out of our pockets.

  10. Re:Outlaw it. by supremebob · · Score: 1

    It's too bad that there aren't any statistics out there for "legit" Bitcoin transactions versus the ones used for things like ransomware, money laundering, kiddie porn, and illegal drugs.

    My hunch is that the latter would greatly outweigh the former.

  11. Re:Outlaw it. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

    Modest inflation is part of a healthy economy. You really need to understand why before you start calling for the implementation of methods to eliminate it (or even, at a minimum, government control of it via diluting of currency in circulation).

  12. Re:Outlaw it. by supremebob · · Score: 1

    That's great, except that the founder of Bitcoin is a mysterious shadow figure that goes by a pseudonym. Besides, the real future of Bitcoin is basically in the hands of a few large Chinese mining organizations at this point. I doubt that they give a damn what it's being used for... they just want the newly minted coins and the transaction fees.

  13. Re:Outlaw it. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

    Likely far better than you since you're obviously a proponent of them, which indicates you're a fool or idiot or some combination thereof.

  14. Re:Outlaw it. by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    "You really need to know why" sounds like you have super secret reasons that are inarguable and perhaps, subtly, wearing the mantle of Keynes.

    I see two or three flawed premises there.

  15. Re:Outlaw it. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

    Slashdot doesn't have the capacity to carry the conversation required to educate you; you are necessarily profoundly ignorant on the subject given your previous post.

    "You really need to know why" is shorthand for "Go take a series of courses in economics before you want to argue about economics". Understanding the current working theories is important before you want to credibly claim the theories are wrong.

    If your position is that in your ignorance you know more than people who have dedicated years to studying economies and examining the findings of those who have gone before them... there's no hope for you.

  16. Re: I fucked your girlfriend last night by KGIII · · Score: 1

    If you could do that again tonight, I'd appreciate it. I want to watch the game.

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