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China Orders Internet Comments Linked To Real Identities (engadget.com)

A (truly) anonymous Slashdot reader quotes Engadget: China isn't slowing down in its bid to silence online political opposition. As of October 1st, the country will require that tech firms hold on to records of the real identities of everyone posting comments on internet message boards. This is to discourage "false rumors, filthy language and illegal messages," according to the government. Of course, it's that last part that Chinese officials are really interested in -- they know you're less likely to challenge the political order if investigators can easily track you down.

The timing of this identity requirement, the VPN restriction and other crackdowns (such as an investigation into internet giants for allowing material that "harms the social order") isn't coincidental. China's ruling party has its next national congress later in 2017, and it has a habit of ramping up censorship around these gatherings to discourage criticism of party policies.

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  1. Re:Fuck China. by log0n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or rather, fuck the Chinese government. I'm sure the people are swell.

  2. A government the US lefties want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    The ability to silence their opposition and install fear in the population.

    Actually they do that quite well now thanks to the willing hatchet people in the media.

    1. Re:A government the US lefties want by renegadesx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are calls by bureaucrats for similar measures in the EU to do the same thing. It's not as crazy as some people think.

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    2. Re: A government the US lefties want by KGIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it's pretty crazy. What is crazy is not seeing the absurdity of this. It's kinda disappointing that people ignore the value of anonymous speech. When faced with retaliation, you tend to not feel comfortable freely expressing yourself.

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    3. Re:A government the US lefties want by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Gee, it seems that our current president, constantly berating fake news and attacking his critics personally, not to mention inciting members of his base to ‘action’ is the one who really wants to silence the opposition and instill fear in the populace.

  3. Re:Not so different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Facebook can do business as its own wishes, and yet not be doing the same thing at all as a government compelling all businesses.

    As usual, Dumb-and-Buffoonish, you can't bother to get past your own mendacity.

    Of course, Facebook was not even the first to implement such a system, so you couldn't even get that right.

  4. Re: Fuck China. by KGIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gotta be honest, Mexico is pretty handy if you don't mind paying bribes and massive violence that the Federales/policia are willing to ignore. La drugas es no mucho dinero y la pequenas es muy caliente.

    Err... I'm unable to spell in Spanish.

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  5. They'll be losing most favorite nation status by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    any day now. Yup. Any day now. Right after we call out Saudi Arabia for it's civil rights abuses and treatment of women. In other news, the new iPhone 8 looks pretty sweet.

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  6. Re:No Feedback? by benjfowler · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Who cares? Let them learn the hard way what happens when legitimate dissent becomes impossible. It'll be spectacular to watch when it does happen.

    Hundreds of millions will probably die again .That's ancient Chinese wisdom for you.

  7. Censorship By Suspending Domain Names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    On-line censorship in the U.S. is going in a similar direction though the methods being used are a bit different.

    In the U.S.:

    * Most visit a relatively limited number of sites controlled by large corporations that collect and aggregate data. One's identity is far from private.

    * Many read much of the news from social media sites, in particular, Facebook. News aggregators, in particular, Google News tend to show news from a relatively few sources, such as NY Times, Washington Post, and CNN. Bias is very evident.

    * DNS (suspending / deleting one's domain name) is the ultimate way to, in effect, censor information off the internet. Sure, it's technically still hosted somewhere, but if it's not easily accessible to the public at-large, it might as well not be.

    It's very disconcerting how many people assume censorship only concerns the government. Companies by and large have significant control over people's lives. In some aspects of life, such as the internet, more than the government does. Many make the argument that companies are private and can do whatever they want in regards to censorship. However, when a company controls much of a critical infrastructure, that argument, in my view, is a weak one.

    DNS is a critical part of the internet. Some portions of it can't function without it. Try sending an email to an IP address. Sure it might get through, but will likely be dropped. Worse, if the IP is shared and/or dynamic, follow-up replies may bounce. So when a domain registrar, such as GoDaddy, suspends / deletes a domain, they've effectively censored the content associated with it.

    Corporate entities are government constructs. More to the point, companies can't just do whatever they want. Public accommodation comes to mind. In regards to the internet, domain registrars, ISPs, etc are essentially utilities. Utilities are very restricted in how they operate, including providing service to those in their territory; not able to arbitrarily shutoff service.

    In short, the U.S., while the methods are different, is going down the same path as China in regards to censorship.

    Hopefully, it's headed off at the pass before much of the internet becomes censored. Encryption, etc is of limited effectiveness when the end-points aren't fully secured. The solution, sad to say, is government regulation; internet neutrality requiring domain registrars, co-location facilities, ISPs, and email providers, to name a few, to operate as utilities not as dictators who block / delete whatever they don't like.

  8. Re:Fuck China. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, that's what you're going with? Russians did it? The Russians made Hillary lose Pennsylvania? How the hell does ANY Democrat lose Pennsylvania? Or Michigan, for fuck's sake? PA, MI, *and* Wisconsin and somehow TEH COMMIEZ did it?

    Now, I bet the discussions in the Michigan union halls and the Pennsylvania VFWs went something like this: "You know Mitch, with the economy so good and America so respected in the world, I was totally going to support Hillary continuing Obama's work, but then I found out that Donna Brazile was feeding her CNN's debate questions. Also, until Comey reminded me, I had totally forgotten Hillary was under FBI investigation for doing what would have gotten me sent to Leavenworth if I had done it when I was in the Navy. So, despite loving all the Democrat policies that have made my life a paradise, especially the idea of a law allowing grown men in dresses to loiter in my tween daughter's restroom, I'm voting for Trump. Oh, and I'm a deplorable racist and hate science. Also, sexism."

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  9. Re: Fuck China. by sound+vision · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Which country is yours? If it's America, you seem to be under the delusion that cops there don't routinely steal from people who have not been accused, much less convicted of a crime. Asset forfeiture by the police topped what burglars steal in home invasions for the first time last year, and the trend is only going up. Even if the badge they hide behind has a body camera in it, it will mysteriously not be engaged during these incidents.

  10. Re:A government the US _righties_ want by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except most right-wingers espouse a minimalist Federal government, are pro-firearms-rights, anti-abortionists, religious, and generally favor a strict constructionist interpretation of the US Constitution, with all those pesky individual rights enumerated. Yeah, definitely a right-winger's paradise there.

    Authoritarian governments don't really favor the left OR right. They just favor themselves.

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  11. Re:Fuck China. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And it's hard to think Trump won anything.

    He didn't. Hillary lost, and you guys have a two party system.

    The election was decided on which candidate people considered to be the worst, not who they wanted as president.

  12. Re:A government the US _righties_ want by Cyberax · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Most right-wingers do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT advocate for minimalist government. They're perfectly fine with government that hangs gays and kicks minorities and enforces strict "morality". And don't get me started on "individual rights", they don't care about anything but gun-fondling. Yep, China would be their perfect country.

  13. Re:Fuck China. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can't really second that. US people are generally woefully uninformed for a people with a free press and free access to information, but they're also generally nice. I only found them a bit patronizing, at least the ones that don't really know there is a world outside of their country.

    In other words, there is no tactful way to inform your host that he needn't explain how a light switch works...

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  14. Re:Fuck China. by Whibla · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The exit polls had hillary winning some of those. Historically, when the exit polls don't match the results, there was fraud.

    Exit polls can be wrong, especially when there's 'guilt' associated with whatever the polls are asking about. Voting against a lifetime opinion, or simply going against the grain and not voting at all, would certainly qualify as something to feel guilty about for many people.

    And it's hard to think Trump won anything. Most places have almost no public support for him now.

    Then you're not thinking hard enough. The elections were not just about Dems vs Reps any more than the UK Brexit vote was just about the EU. You don't have to support Trump to not vote Clinton. You don't have to like Trump to see that some of what he was saying had merit.

    And a pre-op transexual isn't a man in a dress.

    Hmm, so what is he then? It's hard not to sound rude when asking this but, seriously, a pig in a dress is still a pig*.

    *Don't get me wrong, what people choose to do or have done to themselves is their own business. I couldn't care less about shared restrooms (pretty sure they'll still have cubicles). I do care about bullshit. Every label we attach to someone 'different' is just a means of dividing us, and making us forget we're all human. I refuse to subscribe to that bullshit.

  15. Re:Fuck China. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    And it's hard to think Trump won anything. Most places have almost no public support for him now.

    The media is playing you like a fiddle. Yes, Trump is VERY unpopular, but not all of his policies. He has a lot more support in that regard, its just that the press ONLY talks about Trump's likeability/favorability as a person, and avoids talking about policy support overall. I don't like Trump at all, but I'd vote for him again over Hillary without hesitation. The media would tell you I don't support Trump at all, and you would believe it.

  16. Re: Fuck China. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It amaz8ng how liberals think the right are all uneducated brainwashed morons. Guess what, the right thinks the exact same thing as the left. In this respect the left and right agree. Both agree that their side is great and the other side are a bunch of slanderous pigs. There is no debate, just name calling. Whether you are a commie or a Nazi in the end it works out the same. I propose a third side in the debate. Let's get the Nazi right, the commie left, the BLM crowd, the racist, the faggots, and the homophobes to form one gigantic party called the United States to crush the foreign interests using the media to divide the country and worry bullshit while the country and media is sold to China.

    You may think the USA is a evil imperialistic empire, but when it falls the liberators will consider you to be the enemy, so might as well defend the place you live. We need to hand together or we shall all hang separately as they say. The enemy is not the right or left. It is the people using the media to divide up the country.