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To Survive in Tough Times, Restaurants Turn to Data-Mining (nytimes.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: The early diners are dawdling, so your 7:30 p.m. reservation looks more like 8. While you wait, the last order of the duck you wanted passes by. Tonight, you'll be eating something else -- without a second bottle of wine, because you can't find your server in the busy dining room. This is not your favorite night out. The right data could have fixed it, according to the tech wizards who are determined to jolt the restaurant industry out of its current slump. Information culled and crunched from a wide array of sources can identify customers who like to linger, based on data about their dining histories, so the manager can anticipate your wait, buy you a drink and make the delay less painful. It can track the restaurant's duck sales by day, week and season, and flag you as a regular who likes duck. It can identify a server whose customers have spent a less-than-average amount on alcohol, to see if he needs to sharpen his second-round skills. So Big Data is staging an intervention. Both start-ups and established companies are scrambling to deliver up-to-the-minute data on sales, customers, staff performance or competitors by merging the information that restaurants already have with all sorts of data from outside sources: social media, tracking apps, reservation systems, review sites, even weather reports.

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  1. Data mining not needed by JohnFen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd rather eat at restaurants that were competently managed over restaurants that rely on spying on their customers in order to avoid having to be competently managed.

    1. Re:Data mining not needed by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Time to face the truth methinks: Most people want to be spied on.

      They're got nothing to hide and it makes everything that happens to them more relevant and personalized. What's wrong with that? (shrug)

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    2. Re:Data mining not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No shit ... my favorite restaurant is a little local place where the chef/owner is in his presentation kitchen and looking out and waving to his regular customers and always willing to make a one-off dish ... the head waitress has worked in the industry for years (many with this chef), and also knows the regulars by name as well as what they like. And even the people who she doesn't know by name still get the same attentive service.

      When we go there, we graze our way through a 4-5 course meal and a generous amount of drinks since we're walking anyway.

      Almost without exception (not that they need to) they'll comp us a couple of things, because they like their regulars and by the time we've had a 2+ hour meal, they've more than made money on our visit.

      When I dine out, I pay in cash because the wife and I put money into the dining out kitty and spend from that. I've heard of places saying they won't accept cash, and they just summarily lose my business.

      I simply won't allow a restaurant to gather digital analytics on me. The place which knows me by name, knows my drink and food preferences, and will happily tweak a menu item for me? That place doesn't need analytics, and wins my business the old fashioned way ... by bloody well earning it and giving me a dining experience which is awesome from start to end.

      A restaurant who is going to try to tie me to analytics with some asshole company who wants to track me through the real and digital world? That place will simply never get my business.

      Even less fancy restaurants are more than capable of having competent wait staff who don't leave people sitting with empty drinks and can remember people's tastes. Hell, I know pizza places where the wait staff still all know us by sight and remember our drink orders ... because that's part of the job.

      If your wait staff is that bad ... this is a management problem, not a data problem.

    3. Re:Data mining not needed by redmid17 · · Score: 3

      No they don't want to be spied on. Indifference is entirely different than desire

    4. Re:Data mining not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A restaurant who is going to try to tie me to analytics with some asshole company who wants to track me through the real and digital world? That place will simply never get my business.

      Mine either. But you know what? It doesn't matter, because we are outnumbered a hundred thousand to one in the marketplace. It will happen whether you and I like it or not.
       

    5. Re:Data mining not needed by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're got nothing to hide and it makes everything that happens to them more relevant and personalized. What's wrong with that? (shrug)

      Having something to hide doesn't enter into it (and that's a stupid argument any, since everyone has something to hide).

      In terms of restaurants, though, if the restaurant is even halfway decent and you're a regular, you will get relevant and personalized service without the spying. It's called personally knowing your customers.

    6. Re:Data mining not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >They're got nothing to hide

      Nobody has nothing to hide. Nobody. I don't believe that your medical records should be available to anyone but your doctor or other medical professionals bound by patient confidentiality with a need to know.

      Moreover, that's not really the point. Large data sets have immense power as has been proven recently. Just metadata can draw a detailed picture of your life, actual raw hard data is considerably more dangerous.

    7. Re:Data mining not needed by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a distinction to be made between paying attention and spying. Is the waiter just keeping an eye on my table? That's paying attention. Is personal information about my "experience" being entered into a database for further analysis, where it's shared and combined with data from other databases? That's spying.

    8. Re:Data mining not needed by war4peace · · Score: 2

      I'll be devil's advocate for a bit (mind you, I value my privacy but at the same time I try to remain objective even though I don't like what I see):

      You say "people don't want to be spied on" and I agree, fully. there's a small problem though... most data mining isn't the same as spying.
      I had to look up the definition, because I wasn't sure myself:

      verb
      verb: spy; 3rd person present: spies; past tense: spied; past participle: spied; gerund or present participle: spying
      1.
      work for a government or other organization by secretly obtaining information about enemies or competitors.
      "he agreed to spy for the West"
      synonyms: be a spy, be engaged in spying, gather intelligence, work for the secret service; More
      observe (someone) furtively.
      "the couple were spied on by reporters"
      synonyms: observe furtively, keep under surveillance, watch, keep a watch on, keep an eye on, keep under observation, follow, shadow, trail; More
      collect information about something to use in deciding how to act.
      "he would go and spy out the land"
      2.
      discern or make out, especially by careful observation.
      "he could spy a figure in the distance"

      None of the above apply. Customers are not enemies or competitors. The information that's gathered is public. Most people will choose to opt-in if asked, because it would make their experience at said restaurant more enjoyable in the future. Hell, I would opt-in... as a matter of fact, many places I am a regular of (from farmer's markets to the local store around the corner to supermarkets) employ people who recognize me, know what I usually buy and put aside some cans of Dr Pepper or 5 ties of carrots (did I say that right?) etc.

      This particular case (with restaurants) is one of those where it's just a matter of automating and optimizing information that was already processed, only less effectively. Become a regular at any restaurant and they will know and remember your preferences, usual hours, etc.

      Finally, foaming at the mouth about ANY occurrence where data produced by you is being used makes people look ridiculous and just a tiny bit fanatic.
      Just try to be objective, recognize positive outcomes where they exist and, please, by all means, fight the evil ones with all your strength!

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    9. Re:Data mining not needed by Falos · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They're not interested in waiters who leave people with empty drinks.

      They're interested in grilling waiters who don't upsell enough alcohol.

      Even if it's a guy/gal who has a natural talent for attracting clientele and had increased your business - or any other number of useful traits, which don't show up on a spreadsheet and therefore s/he's going to be "reviewed" onto the chopping block.

      Metrics are usually genuine; the conclusions attached to them are usually voodoo.

  2. Re:Yeah by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    You can get water at any restaurant, quit your bitching herbivore.

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  3. No Duck? by Zorro · · Score: 2

    Rabbit Season!

  4. How did you know...? by geekmux · · Score: 4, Funny

    "How did you know I wanted a medium rare filet? I haven't even ordered yet."

    "It was easy sir. Our sewer system is routed through the kitchen where we perform mass spectometry on your waste matter. Out of your last 73.4 feces samples you've provided, we calculated an 89.27% preference for medium rare filets on Tuesday nights before 8PM, especially after you've had sex in the missionary position."

  5. Re:Are you saying... by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Informative

    All vegans can say that.

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  6. The restaurant industry's in a slump by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Because real wages are in the toilet and folks are too busy paying student loans and rent to eat out. Data's not going to fix that. Unions and left wing politics in education funding and housing development might.

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  7. Re:This data mining shit creeps me out. by JohnFen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Data mining is creeping me out. I constantly feel that I'm being manipulated.

    Because you are. Manipulating you is pretty much the entire value proposition of consumer data mining.

  8. Re:Duck?? by erice · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do people eat that much duck that this is a problem?

    It actually works the other way around. Low volume dishes have more potential for volatility and that is problem when trying to balance between having too much (waste) and having too little (can't fill customer orders).

  9. Data mining will never save a bad restaurant by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Restaurants that serve good food and understand their customers and control costs and are in a sensible location will do fine. Restaurants that ignore these realities do poorly. Restaurants that chase the latest fad tend to die when the fad does. Running a restaurant in the best of times is a complicated, demanding, and low margin business. It's easy to get into but few last more than a year or two. Have food that people really like, cook and serve it competently, find a good location, and don't be stupid when it comes to costs.

    Data mining will NEVER be a savior for a poorly run restaurant. People might try your place once but they aren't going to come back if they don't like the experience. At best it might help some chains identify poor performers and to compare between stores but to be frank, if the owner/chef of the restaurant doesn't already know this then they are pretty bad at their job.

  10. Slump in restaurants by p51d007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Partially because of wait times, which, at times is the FAULT of the public. Playing with their phones instead of looking at the menu, playing with their phones instead of EATING, taking selfies at the table, taking photos of their food. On the OTHER side...food prices are too high, portions are too small, people don't want to wait for poor service, people don't want to wait for the food. Our society has become accustomed to INSTANT everything. They don't want to wait for anything. I don't like putting up with rude people that can't put their stupid phones down WHILE EATING. It's just rude to the ones you are with, rude to the staff that has to wait for you to PUT THE PHONE DOWN. Manners have gone out the window, as has respect. For what places charge for dinner, I'd expect GREAT food & service. I have one or two places I frequent. NON chain stores, and, if you saw the outside of the buildings, you'd say to yourself there is NO WAY I'd go in there! The staff is VERY friendly, will come to your table just to chat, if they aren't busy, the food is great, price is right, and portions are acceptable. I think the NON chains, most of the time, have better food and experience.

  11. Awkward by manu0601 · · Score: 2

    As in Patrick McGoohan's The Prisonner: "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered". That kind of innovation will drive me away from restaurant that use it.

  12. Re:This data mining shit creeps me out. by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 2

    It's data mining, but also normal advertising, and any sales person.

    I actually cancelled service because they check up on how I'm doing too much. Then I get a call about why I cancelled. Then another to offer a discount. No, this is why I cancelled. Do you see that anywhere?

    Yes, the notes say you cancelled for this reason.

    And?

    We can offer you a discount.

    Get fycked, never call me.